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Kyi Yo
10-13-2007, 09:57 PM
This is outrageous. They couldn't use the lie machine of FOX News, so they resort to using an underground email campaign. Chickenshits, can't go toe-to-toe in a stand up fight against the man, so they resort to a favorite tactic.



Untraceable e-mails spread Obama rumor
By: Ben Smith and Jonathan Martin
October 12, 2007 05:00 PM EST

When Fox News aired a report in January claiming that Sen. Barack Obama had been educated at a radical Muslim madrassa, his campaign beat the story back — hard — with the candidate himself going on television to call it “ludicrous” and a “smear.”

And his aggressive defense worked, or so it seemed at the time: The notion that Obama has secret Muslim roots faded from the mainstream media, and even from most conservative blogs and magazines.

But rather than vanish, the whispered smear campaign appears to have gone underground, and in its purest form: Obama himself, according to a pair of widely circulated anonymous e-mails, is a Muslim.

“Barack Hussein Obama has joined the United Church of Christ in an attempt to downplay his Muslim background,” warns an e-mail titled “Who Is Barack Obama,” that was circulating in South Carolina political circles this summer and sent to Politico by a South Carolina Democrat.

“The Muslims have said they plan on destroying the U.S. from the inside out; what better way to start than at the highest level?”

“Please forward to everyone you know,” it ended.

The other widely forwarded e-mail is titled “Can a good Muslim become a good American” and answers that question in the negative, before concluding: “And Barack Hussein Obama, a Muslim, wants to be our president!!!”

The misinformation is buttressed by occasional winks from conservative pundits like Ed Rogers, who referred to the candidate as “Barack Hussein Obama” and radio hosts such as Rush Limbaugh, who regularly includes the senator's otherwise little-used middle name.

(Shock jock Michael Savage did him one better, according to the liberal media monitor Media Matters, calling the senator “Hussein Barack Obama.”)

Road to Christianity

Obama, in fact, is not a Muslim.

The assertion that he is one is based on his paternal ancestry from a Muslim family in Kenya, his living in Indonesia with a Muslim stepfather and, briefly, as a child, attending a public school there which reportedly offered some religious instruction to its predominantly Muslim study body.

But he was raised primarily by his mother, who eschewed organized religion.

He has written and spoken at length about his path to Christianity and the black church as a community organizer in Chicago.

In recent months, Obama has been talking more openly about his faith, especially in the South.

He has worshipped at three large South Carolina churches over the past two Sundays. Last weekend, he raised eyebrows at the Redemption World Outreach Center in Greenville by saying he was “confident that we can create a kingdom right here on Earth."

Indeed, on www.snopes.com — the site that fashions itself as the place where urban legends go to die — there is a lengthy page devoted to debunking the myth that Obama is a “radical, ideological Muslim” that includes a reference to a 2004 Chicago Sun-Times story where he talks of his “personal relationship with Jesus Christ.”

Obama’s aides are aware of the theme, but it’s far harder to respond to faceless whispers than to open assertions.

“We've got to be vigilant to knock down any untruth out there about us,” said spokesman Bill Burton.

Popular, but wrong

It’s hard to directly measure the impact of chain e-mails which circulate beneath the radar.

But there are at least two indications that the whispers are being heard.

First, “barack obama muslim” is the third most popular Google search for the presidential candidate's name, behind “barack obama” and “barack obama biography,” according to Google Suggest, which tracks the frequency of word searches.

Second, a CBS News poll in August found that, in response to an open-ended question about Obama’s faith, 7 percent of Americans identified him as a Muslim — more than any other response. The right answer, Protestant, was second at 6 percent. (Most didn’t know or wouldn’t say.)

Underscoring this data, Politico has been alerted to both the e-mails and the persistent rumor numerous times by multiple sources, most of whom work outside politics.

Bemused political operatives and reporters regularly regularly receive forwarded messages from friends and relatives, but they typically are less pernicious, often amounting to an off-color punchline about Hillary Clinton.

But the Obama e-mails are different from those tired jokes about Bush and Clinton.

For many people, the Obama-is-a-Muslim e-mail is among the first things they "learn" about a man who was virtually unknown until recently, and the campaign of whispers threatens to play a quiet role in defining him.

The whispers appear not to have surfaced during his 2004 Senate bid.

The first clear appearance of the theme on the Web came in a Dec. 18, 2006, column by Debbie Schlussel, a Detroit-based writer who often alleges ties between mainstream American figures — most recently, former Sen. Fred Thompson — and Islamic radicalism.

“I had a lot of readers ask me about Barack Obama and his background, and a lot of them had heard he was a Muslim or thought he was a Muslim,” Schlussel said. “I looked into it, I found out his middle name was Hussein.”

The result: a column titled “Barack Hussein Obama: Once a Muslim, Always a Muslim.”

Schlussel’s theme was picked up in the Unification Church-owned online magazine Insight the next month, which reported, with no named sources but a political twist, that Hillary Rodham Clinton’s campaign was pushing a story about Obama’s Muslim heritage.

“Are the American people ready for an elected president who was educated in a madrassa as a young boy and has not been forthcoming about his Muslim heritage?” Insight asked Jan. 17.

The story jumped to Fox and then faded from public view in the face of Obama’s angry response.

It partly died because it was debunked but also because many mainstream conservatives refused to pay it much heed.

“It’s like the ‘tax your e-mails’ chain e-mails that get going,” said Erick Erickson, editor of blog Redstate. “Eventually it circles the Earth, but it’s still b.s.”

Yet what many in the political class dismiss out of hand continues to live in the subterranean world of forwarded e-mails and the unknowing assumptions made about a person with such an unusual name and background.

For Obama, the rumors have the potential of adding another, steeper hill to climb in his bid to make history.

While it’s no longer “socially acceptable to hate black people,” it is still “to hate Muslims,” lamented the South Carolina Democrat who forwarded the messages.

“The Obama campaign have to be very vigilant about this,” said John Weaver, a former adviser to John McCain who saw McCain’s campaign stall in 2000 in South Carolina amid false rumors that he had fathered an African-American child.

“It’s a difficult thing to combat, and you have to ask yourself, at what point will it ever stop? How many African-Americans do we have to have do well until this kind of stuff stops?”

Weaver said campaigns rarely have the resources to trace a whisper like this to its source.

“It may not be organized, but at the end of the day, competitors turn a blind eye to it,” he said. “The better he does, the more he’s going to see this crap.”

lily
10-13-2007, 11:39 PM
He's going to be fighting this smear for the entire campaign. I do have to shake my head and laugh though.......if it's not "He's a Muslim", it's "The curch he attends is too black".

Buck Laser
10-13-2007, 11:45 PM
He's going to be fighting this smear for the entire campaign. I do have to shake my head and laugh though.......if it's not "He's a Muslim", it's "The curch he attends is too black".

Then there's the flag pin thing--the conservatives are getting their knickers in a real twist because he's not wearing a flag pin. :madlaugh: I really think that's funny, because all the flag pins are made in CHINA!

But we can be sure that there will be more...remember when CWN started in on him because his middle name is Hussein? I expect some of the dimbulbs to bring that up again, too.

The funny thing as I see it is that each one of these stupid attacks just strengthen him because he's so good at turning stuff like this. He's got absolutely massive cool, and he doesn't let himself get flustered, as so many other candidates have.

ECW
10-14-2007, 12:11 AM
I got dibs on the deal that this story was started by an aforementioned *person* who is no longer with us and if it wasn't him, it sure sounds like him.

ViolaLee
10-14-2007, 12:47 AM
I'm so sick of the right wing smears and lies. I could just spit. And curse. They make me ill. And the people who believe them make me even more ill.

Sabatoge. (http://www.beastieboys.com/av/)
Oh my God it's a mirage. I'm telling all ya'll it's sabatoge.

BoogyMan
10-14-2007, 01:30 AM
I would sure like to get a look at the detailed headers of the emails, there is no such thing as an untraceable email. At the very least the original SMTP sender system can be located.

micfranklin
10-14-2007, 03:30 AM
This only shows they're either afraid or too ignorant of Obama to do things honestly. My guess is that it's both.

BTW Obama is Christian, not Muslim.

preservanation
10-14-2007, 11:25 AM
I'm so sick of the right wing smears and lies. I could just spit. And curse. They make me ill. And the people who believe them make me even more ill.

Sabatoge. (http://www.beastieboys.com/av/)
Oh my God it's a mirage. I'm telling all ya'll it's sabatoge.

What makes you think it is a "right wing" email?
That's not shown to be the case. Could be...I don't know.
But it seems the person most interested in discrediting Obama would be Hillary. She is in direct competition with him for the Dem nomination. She would benefit the most by his fall in the polls, not the GOP.

I think the Republicans would actually rather run against Obama than Hillary, so your claim that this email is a right wing smear is counter-intuitive to me.

Marley
10-16-2007, 01:52 PM
“Back in 1948, during his first race for the U.S. Senate, Lyndon Johnson was running about ten points behind, with only nine days to go. He was sunk in despair. He was desperate. And it was just before noon on a Monday, they say, when he called his equally depressed campaign manager and instructed him to call a press conference for just before lunch on a slow news day and accuse his high-riding opponent, a pig farmer, of having routine carnal knowledge of his barnyard sows, despite the pleas of his wife and children.

His campaign manager was shocked. “We can’t say that, Lyndon,” he supposedly said. “You know it’s not true.”

“Of course it’s not true!” Johnson barked at him. “But let’s make the bastard deny it!”

exigent
10-16-2007, 02:39 PM
I'm so sick of the right wing smears and lies. I could just spit. And curse. They make me ill. And the people who believe them make me even more ill.

Sabatoge. (http://www.beastieboys.com/av/)
Oh my God it's a mirage. I'm telling all ya'll it's sabatoge.


LOL the video for Triple Trouble is hilarious!

I thought I've seen em all...

As for the topic...its crap tactics like this that they use becuase all they have are crap tactics. They have NOTHING on Obama, so just slander him in emails. Whats ridiculous is that by creating and sending these emails amongst themselves they are pretty much not denying that they are all ignorant and will believe anything.

Marley
10-16-2007, 02:42 PM
"they" obviously being Hillary.

Elrathin
10-16-2007, 03:35 PM
"they" obviously being Hillary.


Yes, because obviously republicans NEVER smear ANYONE do they? They are just perfect little angels. :rolleyes:

exigent
10-16-2007, 04:04 PM
I meant the same type of they that swiftboated Kerry.

Marley
10-16-2007, 06:00 PM
"swiftboat" means get out the truth.

Anyone who grew up watching M*A*S*H sit-coms understands Kerry pulled a Frank Burns in Vietnam.

How else does a guy serve a FRACTION of his tour of duty, leaving his men behind in the battle, without a scratch, on his feet?

Answer: he ginned up Purple Hearts exactly like the Frank Burns character on M*A*S*H.

Saigio
10-16-2007, 06:06 PM
"swiftboat" means get out the truth.

Anyone who grew up watching M*A*S*H sit-coms understands Kerry pulled a Frank Burns in Vietnam.

How else does a guy serve a FRACTION of his tour of duty, leaving his men behind in the battle, without a scratch, on his feet?

Answer: he ginned up Purple Hearts exactly like the Frank Burns character on M*A*S*H.


At least he served some time.

Marley
10-16-2007, 06:12 PM
And abandoned those under his command there!

Saigio
10-16-2007, 06:14 PM
And abandoned those under his command there!


And that is worse then not even doing a thing?
At least Kerry did something beyond cowering in a coushy manor.

Marley
10-16-2007, 06:19 PM
"And that is worse then not even doing a thing?"

Hell yes!


"At least Kerry did something beyond cowering in a coushy manor."

Okay, yeah, sure, whatever that's supposed to mean.

exigent
10-16-2007, 07:59 PM
emale - typical drone, and a liar lover.

You still believe all those lies the Swoftboaters spewed? First take a look at the founder...a neocon favorite--a lying liar

http://mediamatters.org/items/200408250002

Saigio
10-16-2007, 08:01 PM
"And that is worse then not even doing a thing?"

Hell yes!

So, in your view, a man that does nothing is better then a man that did something. Interesting. I'll remember that.


"At least Kerry did something beyond cowering in a coushy manor."

Okay, yeah, sure, whatever that's supposed to mean.


The wonderful man that skimped out on his duties and ran home. Bush.

lily
10-17-2007, 12:15 AM
I too think this email was started by the Hillary camp, just as they tried it in the begining. It's too much like the first one and the Republicans really don't see him as a threat yet......but I suppose we'll never know.

........as for Kerry.......I chose to believe the man he saved.....the man who had no reason to lie.

throowrocks
10-17-2007, 05:32 AM
Who gains from this slanderous email? Democrats in general. Democrats point the finger at Republican, Rove trained hatchet men, up to their old tricks. Hillary and everything Clinton gains. Gives her one :grrrr:free shot. No one is the wiser. Every time this has been brought to my attention it was a Democrat telling the tale. Go figure?

preservanation
10-17-2007, 05:41 AM
I agree..At this point in the campaign there is no incentive for the GOP to go after Obama.
The only one to gain at this point is Hillary Inc.

Truth_and_Power
10-17-2007, 03:46 PM
Who gains from this slanderous email? Democrats in general. Democrats point the finger at Republican, Rove trained hatchet men, up to their old tricks. Hillary and everything Clinton gains. Gives her one :grrrr:free shot. No one is the wiser. Every time this has been brought to my attention it was a Democrat telling the tale. Go figure?


Not true. The average american voter is about as smart as a bag of rocks. So that means that the below-average american voter is about as smart as a piece of burlap that can't even hold on to some rocks. So there's 20% of the populace that will integrate and believe anything they hear, including this. Most of that 20% are already republicans (yuk, yuk, yuk) but some are probably swing voters as well who vote based on (almost) nothing.

Elrathin
10-17-2007, 04:00 PM
Every time this has been brought to my attention it was a Democrat telling the tale. Go figure?


Care to back that up with some proof?

BoogyMan
10-17-2007, 04:18 PM
El, I guess you missed where he stated "has been brought to my attention." :D

I don't know how he can prove personal experience.

Elrathin
10-17-2007, 05:43 PM
El, I guess you missed where he stated "has been brought to my attention." :D

I don't know how he can prove personal experience.


When I say that statement, that means that some proof has been brought to me. At least that is how I use it. Why don't you guys just say it's your opinion that has no facts to back it up? Would make it a lot easier than trying to decipher "bullshiteese" lol

preservanation
12-07-2007, 12:58 AM
Hillary's opposition research into Obama's grade school ambitions?
LOL!

I wanted to be Jimi Hendrix in the fifth grade, does that count?
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