* Bush Vetoes Arabs U.N. Resolution Against Israel.*

[CheesyMuslim]

Sorry bout that,

1. But hell no Jethfro, You made your bed Arabs, sleep in it.
2. Unless you give up the Jews you took in an act of war, just get used to Israel whacking you every day for awhile.
3. Bush won't allow you to use pressure in the U.N. to stop the Jewish hand.
4. Give them what they want and they will go away.
5. Keep them, and lose thousands, if not millions.
6. Let My People Go!
7. Or feel the sucking sound of a grave in your near futures.
8. Here's the link
http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/world/2006-07/14/content_640635.htm

Regards,
SirJamesofTexas

[bobbylien]

I've never seen someone whos able to spin a topic so well using just the title. YES!!, lets start a war in the entire middle east and kill hundreds of thousands of civilians to save 3 soldiers! If Israel can't find a diplomatic solution to this, then there really isn't ever going to be a chance for peace in the middle east. Those holding the soldiers want to arrange a prisoner exchange. Israel invading these arab countries will only help the terrorists recruit more people. Israel has the right to defend itself but not everything calls for war. This is EXACTLY what Iran and Syria want.

[Alonzo]

silly bobby, don't you know any time we can kill muslims (pretty sure that's what he means by Arabs, otherwise he's gotta kill jews and christians too) that's a good thing? More terrorists just mean more places to blow up!

[CheesyMuslim]

Sorry bout that,

1. But bobbylien, if Iran and Syria want what Israel is doing, then they must be very happy now.
2. I say Israel should try to keep them happy.
3. Israel has a right to act on aggression.
4. And or Acts of War, in this case its War it is when a NationÂ*Â*makes an incursion into a foreign land and kills some Military men, and snatches some of them.
5. How would old Pot Belly Kim Il feel if we did that?
6. Do you think he might go nut job on those in his neighborhood?
7. I would think so, and no one would be able to say he wasn't egged on either, and have the right to defend his borders.
8. Give Israel what they want and they will go away, or watch Israel try to make Iran and Syria happy.

Regards,
SirJamesofTexas

[bobbylien]

3. Israel has a right to act on aggression.

Yes, of course they do. But you don't respond to a punch by pulling out a gun.

[CheesyMuslim]

Sorry bout that,

1. But lets make this more personal to America.
2. Lets say that Mexico's Military Kills off fifty of our Border Agents, and takes five as hostages.
3. Then says, "You allow our people to stay in America and work or we send you back these Border Agents by the pound."
4. I think we would be down bombing Mexico City within one hour.
5. Until we got our men back.
6. I hope that we never see something like this.
7. But you never know.

Regards,
SirJamesofTexas

[PittsburghAfterDark]

http://people.delphiforums.com/nellie501/muslimprotest1.jpg

Recent Hezbullah rally.

http://people.delphiforums.com/nellie501/carbomb.jpg

Palestinian women planning family martyrdom vacation.

[BoogyMan]

Yes, of course they do. But you don't respond to a punch by pulling out a gun.


You are kidding, right? When you are surrounded by people who want you dead, thats right, DEAD, just because you are a jew you do whatever it takes. The schoolboy analogy you made here is foolish Bobby, and shows that you are essentially an apologist for the terrorists of Hamas and Hibollah. TERRORISTS, you remember those guys don't you, you know, the ones who STARTED this fight?

Israel has no choice but to use overwhelming force when provoked. Israel can only continue to exist as a nation from a position of overwhelming power.

[CheesyMuslim]

Sorry bout that,

1. Great pics PAD.
2. This is what we Americans are dealing with.
3. Pure evil.
4. People wanting to die and end it.
5. Die by infidel, or suicide by infidel.
6. Either we go get them or they come get us.
7. My view its better them than us.
8. Israel getter done, in Lebanon.
9. Syria's next.
10. Iran afterwards.

Regards,
SirJamesofTexas

[GPS_Flex]

What baffles and frustrates me about the UN and world opinion is the way they react when Israel finally does something to protect itself. Contrast that with the way they don’t react when Israel is being attacked and you realize how anti Jewish the world still is.



Â*Â*I've never seen someone whos able to spin a topic so well using just the title.YES!!, lets start a war in the entire middle east and kill hundreds of thousands of civilians to save 3 soldiers! If Israel can't find a diplomatic solution to this, then there really isn't ever going to be a chance for peace in the middle east. If you think this war is just about 3 soldiers, you don’t have a clue about problems in the Middle East. If you understand even a fraction of what’s been going on over there for the last 50+ years, you are simply spinning the topic yourself while criticizing others for doing what you yourself do.

Have you honestly deceived yourself into thinking Israel has not made huge attempts at solving this through diplomatic solutions?


Those holding the soldiers want to arrange a prisoner exchange.Â*Â* And your point is what? Are you implying that they want peace with Israel?

Israel invading these arab countries will only help the terrorists recruit more people. I see, you think, as the rest of the world and the UN apparently think, that Israel should be good little Jews and do nothing while the Islamo-Fascists murder them? I really don’t buy into the “it will create more terrorists� argument. That’s rather like saying “we better not build an army to protect ourselves against the army that is attacking us or they will just make their army bigger�. Would you have us surrender the world to these terrorists rather than fight them?


Â*Â*Israel has the right to defend itself but not everything calls for war. This is EXACTLY what Iran and Syria want. Yes, Israel does have a right to defend itself and some things do call for war. I fully expect this war to eventually involve Iran and Syria and I would be very surprised if the US didn’t begin to overtly help Israel.

To say this is what Iran and Syria want is laughable.

[Alonzo]

GPS, what benefit does Israel gain from destabilizing the democratic Lebanese government? And what in it's history suggest military action can actually destroy Hezbollah?

And how is it truly "self defense" when the action that prompted the attack (on gaza) was no different than what Israel engages in?

What in their history leads you to believe that they can destroy extremists by bombing them? It seems every time they do that they strengthen them, no matter how all out they go.

[GPS_Flex]

GPS, what benefit does Israel gain from destabilizing the democratic Lebanese government? The destabilization of the Lebanese government isn’t the goal but it’s a possible result of this war. The Lebanese government obviously can’t control it’s own borders and as a result, Israel is going to do it for them. If that causes them to lose power, I won’t lose any sleep over it and I doubt Israel will either. Are you implying that Israel shouldn’t attack those who have been lobbing rockets, sending suicide bombers and kidnapping its citizens for fear the “democratic� government in Lebanon might tumble?

And what in it's history suggest military action can actually destroy Hezbollah? Military action against Hizballah alone can’t destroy said terrorist group but combined with military action against Iran and Syria, Hizballah can be reduced to nothing more than rock throwers. What in history suggests otherwise?


And how is it truly "self defense" when the action that prompted the attack (on gaza) was no different than what Israel engages in? This statement is so uninformed it’s hardly worth my time. You have put the terrorist groups Hamas and Hizballah on the same moral level as Israel. I’ll let you explain how there is no difference.

What in their history leads you to believe that they can destroy extremists by bombing them? Extremist? Are you so supportive of these terrorists that you now refer to them as “extremists�? That’s sad.

To answer your question, when you bomb an “extremist�, he usually dies. When he dies, we usually consider him destroyed.

It seems every time they do that they strengthen them, no matter how all out they go.Â*Â* Really? Why don’t you give me an example of where Israel went “all outâ€� and as a result, the terrorists were strengthened? The only thing that seems to strengthen when Israel fights back is the whining by the United Nations, liberals and other Israel haters.

On the flip side, it seems that every time Israel retreats, the terrorists move in to launch rockets and suicide missions from the recently vacated area.

[Alonzo]

The destabilization of the Lebanese government isn’t the goal but it’s a possible result of this war. The Lebanese government obviously can’t control it’s own borders and as a result, Israel is going to do it for them. If that causes them to lose power, I won’t lose any sleep over it and I doubt Israel will either. Are you implying that Israel shouldn’t attack those who have been lobbing rockets, sending suicide bombers and kidnapping its citizens for fear the “democratic� government in Lebanon might tumble?

They're not even 2 years old. They just got ride of Syrian occupation, and they don't have the military power to do so. You want to strengthen them, allow the democratically elected government to get the power to disarm them. Going in and destabilizing them does nothing, occupation and lawlessness doesn't benefit anyone.



Military action against Hizballah alone can’t destroy said terrorist group but combined with military action against Iran and Syria, Hizballah can be reduced to nothing more than rock throwers. What in history suggests otherwise?

Terrorism and conflict increased after we invaded Iraq. I'm sure you are also aware that the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan lead to the flooding of Aghanistan with muslims, the extremists among them eventually forming the likes of the Taliban and Al Qaeda.

Hezbollah was formed after Israel invaded Lebanon in 1982 to kick out Arafat and Fatah. It grew in strength until eventually played a crucial role in Israel withdrawing. http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/4314423.stm

Israel's invasion of Lebanon also provided fuel for Fatah, which was ejected and set up base in Tunisia. They played a central role in the first intifada in 1987 http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/in_depth/middle_east/israel_and_the_palestinians/profiles/1371998.stm
You know what happened to Fatah and Arafat after that.

Hamas was formed at the start of the first intifada, grew in strength during the second, and you know where they are now. http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/in_depth/middle_east/2001/israel_and_the_palestinians/profiles/1654510.stm


This statement is so uninformed it’s hardly worth my time. You have put the terrorist groups Hamas and Hizballah on the same moral level as Israel. I’ll let you explain how there is no difference.

Resistance to occupation is legitimate. If they were to remain in that function they are not a terrorist organization. When they act as they did against Israel then they are not acting as terrorists. They are not like Al Qaeda, a purely terrorist organization. They provide social services and legitimate military attacks alongside with terrorist tactics.

Israel has also shown itself willing to harm civilians and civilian infrastructure in the past few days. When it is doing such things it is engaging in state sponsored terrorism.

Terrorism is terrorism. Military targets are Military targets. The actions defines what it is, not the group.

Extremist? Are you so supportive of these terrorists that you now refer to them as “extremists�? That’s sad.

To answer your question, when you bomb an “extremist�, he usually dies. When he dies, we usually consider him destroyed.

If you want to complain about bias fine, but at least admit you're equally biased in favor of Israel.

Besides, last time I check there aren't a finite amount of terrorists. People aren't born terrorists you know, there isn't a set limit.

Really? Why don’t you give me an example of where Israel went “all out� and as a result, the terrorists were strengthened?

Hamas, Hezbollah, Fatah and Islamic Jihad.

On the flip side, it seems that every time Israel retreats, the terrorists move in to launch rockets and suicide missions from the recently vacated area.


It's not a real retreat when you still target people, control the air, water and borders.

[GPS_Flex]

You want to strengthen them, allow the democratically elected government to get the power to disarm them. Going in and destabilizing them does nothing, occupation and lawlessness doesn't benefit anyone. The government has always had the power to disarm them by asking for help in doing so. The problem has never been that it didn’t have the firepower, it’s been an unwillingness to do so because a large portion of this government you seem to love is made up of Hizballah leaders.

Terrorism and conflict increased after we invaded Iraq. I'm sure you are also aware that the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan lead to the flooding of Aghanistan with muslims, the extremists among them eventually forming the likes of the Taliban and Al Qaeda. It’s true that terrorism and violence increased but they would have nothing but rocks to throw if it weren’t for Iran and Syria in the case of Iraq or for the USA and other western nations in the case of Afghanistan.

Hezbollah was formed after Israel invaded Lebanon in 1982 to kick out Arafat and Fatah. It grew in strength until eventually played a crucial role in Israel withdrawing. It was pressure from the rest of the world that Israel caved to. It wasn’t the Israeli invasion that strengthened Hizbolla, it was the Iranian money, arms and training that empowered them.

You’ve given examples of half measures. If Israel takes out Iran and Syria, Hizbolla will dry up and become nothing more than a rowdy crowd throwing rocks at tanks. The same goes for the situation in Iraq. If and when Iran and Syria go down, the money and weapons will dry up. You do see the difference don’t you?

Resistance to occupation is legitimate. If they were to remain in that function they are not a terrorist organization. When they act as they did against Israel then they are not acting as terrorists. They are not like Al Qaeda, a purely terrorist organization. They provide social services and legitimate military attacks alongside with terrorist tactics. Let me see if I understand your logic. If a man is a very good husband and father, gives graciously to charities and helps little old ladies cross the street, rapes and kills women joggers in the park a few times every year, you would not consider him a rapist and murderer?

I’m sorry but all the acts of kindness and legitimacy in the world don’t change the facts. Hizbolla is consistently kidnapping and murdering foreigners (mostly westerners), is responsible for murdering more than 200 US Marines who were in Beirut as a part of a peace keeping force, hijacked TWA flight 847, bombed embassies and community centers in Argentina, bombed the Khobar towers in Saudi Arabia, bombed the US Embassy, bombed a French military barracks and consistently sends people with bomb vests into weddings, coffee shops and restaurants to murder Israeli civilians.

Israel has also shown itself willing to harm civilians and civilian infrastructure in the past few days. When it is doing such things it is engaging in state sponsored terrorism.

Terrorism is terrorism. Military targets are Military targets. The actions defines what it is, not the group. Nonsense! The goal, combined with the action is what defines terrorism no matter how you slice or dice the action. Israel is certainly indifferent and reckless with regards to civilian casualties during some of its military operations but it isn’t targeting civilians. End of story.

If you want to complain about bias fine, but at least admit you're equally biased in favor of Israel. I’m not biased in favor of Israel, I abhor and hate terrorists and I want to see every one of them eliminated in the most painful way possible. That, by virtue of the transitive properties of logic, leads me to hate the governments of Iran and Syria as well.

Hamas, Hezbollah, Fatah and Islamic Jihad. Do you really consider that an answer to my question?

It's not a real retreat when you still target people, control the air, water and borders. That’s really sad. You obviously work very hard at convincing yourself of those things you wish to believe.

[CheesyMuslim]

Sorry bout that,

1. But if the Government of Lebanon allows attacks on Israel, then they got War coming for it.
2. Unless they stop taking Israeli Jews as hostages, they can always expect this type of response from the Jews.
3. Lets see if they are stupid enough to transport these hostages to Iran.
4. If so watch Iran get some of Israels might.
5. Does Iran really want some of this?
6. Yes they do.

Regards,
SirJamesofTexas

[Nathan Brazil]

3. Israel has a right to act on aggression.

Yes, of course they do. But you don't respond to a punch by pulling out a gun.


Why not? I should get my hair mussed because someone else has a misplaced sense of "fairness"? Or risk injury or even death playing Joe Lewis? No. Someone assualts me, I'll use the maximum force available and necessary to abate the threat on my terms.

Besides which, as far as Isreal is concerned, it wasn't just a punch, the puncher was in Isreal's house and taken their children as hostage. You can bet your ass I'd be killing people in that case.

[Nathan Brazil]

Terrorism and conflict increased after we invaded Iraq. I'm sure you are also aware that the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan lead to the flooding of Aghanistan with muslims, the extremists among them eventually forming the likes of the Taliban and Al Qaeda.

Oh? Really? Afghanistan wasn't already polluted with Muslims BEFORE the Soviets tried to pull a coup?

Interestingly enough, terrorism and conflict took a radical downturn when Arafat died of AIDS. And now it's not the PLO but Hamas and Hezbollah driving the suicide truck. Coincidence?

Hezbollah was formed after Israel invaded Lebanon in 1982 to kick out Arafat and Fatah. It grew in strength until eventually played a crucial role in Israel withdrawing.

Uh huh. So, with Lebanon gaining it's independence from Syria and finally gaining a degree of independence, which would have grown in time in a peacable fashion for the profit of all, what exactly was Hezbollah's motivation in provoking Isreal again?

Probably to disrupt the growing glow of peace and prosperity in Lebanon.

HINT: Terrorists become terrorists because they like it, not because they have a mission.

Israel has also shown itself willing to harm civilians and civilian infrastructure in the past few days. When it is doing such things it is engaging in state sponsored terrorism.

No, when it's engaged in bombing sites from which rocket attacks on Israel have originated, it's engaged in acts of retaliation. When it works to destroy bridges and roads to isolate a city in which it's suspected the hostage soldiers are being held in, it's attempting to establish a cordon so it can rescue those soldiers. When it attacks other militarily valuable targets, power plants, water, etc, they're engaged in a real war.

So, just when are you going to condemn Hezbollah and Hamas for sending random uncontrolled rockets into urban centers? THAT'S real terrorism.

Besides, last time I check there aren't a finite amount of terrorists. People aren't born terrorists you know, there isn't a set limit.

There's no more than 6.5 billion terrorists on the planet. That's a finite number.

[Nathan Brazil]

The "legitimate" response to an "unjust" occupation is civil disobedience, if you lack the military muscle to confront the occupying force on the field of battle.

Ghandi managed to pry India free of the British Empire without having to murder children.

Really, what could Isreal do if all the "palestinians" walked up to Isreal's parliament house and...sat down? Wouldn't that be preferrable than the Islamic lunatic's method of using their own babies to kill Jew babies?

[Old Corps Gunny]

Israel has never been unwilling to use force to defend it's borders and citizens. When Syria shelled Israeli villages and towns from the Golan Heights, Israel seized that area to provide a buffer zone and deny Syria an area to position its artillery, just as it seized the Gaza Strip as a buffer zone between Israel and Egypt. Now that Israel has abandoned Gaza, in response to outside pressure, Palestinian terrorists have used it as a base to stage attacks against Israel's southern border while Hezbollah launches attacks on Israel's northern cities. Does anyone really believe that this two-pronged attack is merely coincidental?

As far as jeopardizing Lebanon's "democratic" government, a number of it's legislators are members of Hezbollah; and the Prime Minister has never once criticized Hezbollah's actions, but instead vilifies Israel for responding to Hezbollah's attacks and even demands reparations from Israel for damages to Lebanese citizens and infratructure. If this government chooses to not only provide sanctuary to Hezbollah, but actively support it, and falls as a result, then I say they deserve to fall.

[Athena]

Sorry bout that,

1. But hell no Jethfro, You made your bed Arabs, sleep in it.
2. Unless you give up the Jews you took in an act of war, just get used to Israel whacking you every day for awhile.
3. Bush won't allow you to use pressure in the U.N. to stop the Jewish hand.
4. Give them what they want and they will go away.
5. Keep them, and lose thousands, if not millions.
6. Let My People Go!
7. Or feel the sucking sound of a grave in your near futures.
8. Here's the link
http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/world/2006-07/14/content_640635.htm

Regards,
SirJamesofTexas


How do you justify Israel being the right?

Didn't this round of violence begin with Israel "accidently" dropping a bomb in Gaza killing children?Â*Â* I am so reminded of stories of the European immigrants pushing the native Americans out of their home land.

[BoogyMan]

How do you justify Israel being the right?

Didn't this round of violence begin with Israel "accidently" dropping a bomb in Gaza killing children?Â*Â* I am so reminded of stories of the European immigrants pushing the native Americans out of their home land.Â*Â*


Athena, have you watched any news for the last four months? Israel has been trying to pull out of land and give it to the palestinians. Israel has been enduring Katyusha missile bombardment for *MONTHS* before this, and now the radicual muslim factions are kidnapping their military personnel.

[CheesyMuslim]

Sorry bout that,

1. But no it didn't.
2. Perhaps you are referring to the group that stepped on a land mine on the beach in Gaza??
3. What started it was when Hamas killed and capture a Jewish Soldier, and same thing at the Lebanon border.
4. These two events got us where we are right now.
5. No one can stand in the Jewish Peoples ways.

Regards,
SirJamesofTexas

[Alonzo]

Athena, have you watched any news for the last four months?Â*Â*Israel has been trying to pull out of land and give it to the palestinians.Â*Â*Israel has been enduring Katyusha missile bombardment for *MONTHS* before this, and now the radicual muslim factions are kidnapping their military personnel.


Please ignore the continued attacks, cutting off of funds (including taxes which were owed to the governmnet), and control of the air and water. Other than that everything was fine.

[BoogyMan]

Please ignore the continued attacks, cutting off of funds (including taxes which were owed to the governmnet), and control of the air and water. Other than that everything was fine.


This should have read, continued responses to missiles being fired DAILY into their terrritory, cutting off funding for a TERRORIST regime, having the nerve to have an air force and a navy. Isn't that a more honest listing of your view of this situation Alonzo?

How much air and water would you have people believe that the Israelis have denied the Palestinians?

E-Gads.......

[Alonzo]

Please ignore the continued attacks, cutting off of funds (including taxes which were owed to the governmnet), and control of the air and water. Other than that everything was fine.


This should have read, continued responses to missiles being fired DAILY into their terrritory, cutting off funding for a TERRORIST regime, having the nerve to have an air force and a navy.Â*Â*Isn't that a more honest listing of your view of this situation Alonzo?

How much air and water would you have people believe that the Israelis have denied the Palestinians?

E-Gads.......


Hamas had held a unilateral ceasefire for a significant period of time despite Israel continuing its policy of targetted assasination. The ceasefire only ended recently.

Hamas has a more moderate wing that was gaining power. One that had decided that negotiations had more to offer them than war. The world made them look like fools.

And there's a little bit of a difference between having an air force and navy, and controlling another nations air and another nations ports.

[Nathan Brazil]

Hamas had held a unilateral ceasefire for a significant period of time despite Israel continuing its policy of targetted assasination. The ceasefire only ended recently.

Isreal didn't randomly target Hamas leaders for elimination. Incidents of assassination followed acts of murder by Hamas. Once a terrorist, always a terrorist, and if one gets a Sidewinder up his tailpipe five years after his crime, it's just a pity it took so long.

If Hamas wants legitimacy, let it hang it's terrorists on the gate and prove it's good intentions. There's no reason anyone should ever trust them.

And there's a little bit of a difference between having an air force and navy, and controlling another nations air and another nations ports.

Yeah, Israel should keep it's air wing grounded when it's soldiers are being kidnapped, and it's navy should continue to let Hezbollah be resupplied with missiles while Israels' cities are bombed with rockets. One purchases tools to be used at the right times. Now is the time for Israel to hammer away at Hezbollah.

[CheesyMuslim]

Sorry bout that,

1. But this is where I, the Mighty CWN, rip this topic in half.
2. Seeing that the Arabs in Gaza and Lebanon have active Terrorist Groups voted into positions of power.
3. Then whatever happens to these two nations or Arabs is what they basically voted for.
4. Let them vote for their own destruction, if that's what they want, then fine.
5. The world as a whole isn't going to put up with Terrorism!
6. Not anymore!

Regards,
SirJamesofTexas

[Alonzo]

So the Israeli's voted a man who allowed civilians to be butchered by christian militia's in lebanon (that was the finding of Israel itself) into power. That mans actions sparked the second intifada. Therefore, the Israeli's voted for suicide bombings to ravage their streets.

At least, thats what your logic brings.

[BoogyMan]

Hamas had held a unilateral ceasefire for a significant period of time despite Israel continuing its policy of targetted assasination. The ceasefire only ended recently.

Ahh so, lets take a look at the list of attacks:

Since September of 2000, the Hamas terrorist organization is responsible for carrying out 425 various terrorist attacks which resulted in the killing of 377 and wounding of 2,076 Israeli citizens and soldiers.

The Hamas organization has carried out 53 suicide attacks, killing 289 Israelis and injuring 1,649.

A Chronology of Terrorist Attacks Carried out by the Hamas Since September 2000:

April 17,2004 -Â*Â*A border policeman killed, an Israeli civilianÂ*Â*Â*Â*injured, and two border policemen injured, when a suicide bomber exploded himself at the workers terminal crossing at the Erez industrial area.Â*Â*

March 14, 2004 - Two suicide bombers detonated an explosive belt and an explosive bag at the Ashdod port. Ten Israelis were killed and 12 injured.

March 6, 2004 - Suicide bombers traveling in three vehicles drove into the Erez crossing, and detonated two car bombs at Palestinian checkpoints, while firing at the Israeli checkpoint. Two Palestinian policemen were killed.

Jan. 29, 2004 - A suicide bomber detonated a bag laden with explosives on a No. 19 bus line on Aza Street in Jerusalem. Ten Israelis and one foreigner were killed and 44 were injured.

Jan. 14, 2004 - A female suicide bomber wearing an explosive belt detonated herself at the workers terminal in the Erez crossing, resulting in the death of four Israelis and the injury of five.

Sept. 9, 2003 - A suicide bomber detonated an explosive device at the entrance of the "Hillel Caf?" in Jerusalem. Seven Israelis were killed and 70 injured.

Sept. 9 , 2003 - A suicide bomber detonated an explosive device at a bus stop near the IDF "Tzrifin" Base. Nine IDF soldiers were killed and 10 were injured.

Aug. 19, 2003 - A suicide bomber wearing an explosive belt blew himself up on a No. 2 bus line in Jerusalem, resulting in the death of 23 Israelis and the injury of 115.

Aug. 12, 2003 - A suicide bomber wearing an explosive belt blew himself up near a bus stop at the entrance to Ariel. Two Israelis were killed and two others injured.

June 11, 2003 - A suicide bomber wearing an explosive belt blew himself up on the No. 14 bus line in Jerusalem. Seventeen Israelis were killed and 104 were injured.

May 19, 2003 - A Hamas terrorist on a bicycle blew himself up next to a military jeep in Kfar Darom in the Gaza Strip. Three IDF soldiers were wounded.

May 18, 2003 - A suicide bomber, with a bag filled with explosives blew himself up near the A-Ram Junction in Jerusalem.

May 18, 2003 - A suicide bomber wearing an explosive belt, detonated himself on a bus at the French Hill Junction in Jerusalem. Seven Israelis were killed and 20 were wounded.

May 17, 2003 - A suicide bomber dressed as a religious Jew, and wearing an explosive belt, blew himself up in Hebron?s Gross Square, killing two Israeli civilians.

April 30, 2003 - A suicide bomber detonated an explosive belt at the entrance to the "Mike's Place" pub on the Tel Aviv boardwalk. An additional suicide bomber hurled an explosive device nearby. Three Israeli civilians were killed and 62 were wounded.

April 15, 2003 - Two Israeli civilians were killed and three were injured when a terrorist armed with a Kalashnikov assault rifles, grenades and an explosive belt penetrated the Karni crossing in the Gaza Strip fired and hurled grenades. The terrorist was shot and killed.

March 5, 2003 - A suicide bomber blew himself up on the No. 37 bus line in Haifa. Seventeen Israeli civilians were killed, and 42 were wounded.

Jan. 17, 2003 - A raft laden with explosives and guided by a suicide bomber, exploded after Israeli Navy ships fired at the craft, four kilometers from Dugit, in the northern Gaza Strip.

Nov. 21, 2002 - A suicide bomber detonated an explosive belt on the No. 20 bus line in Jerusalem. Eleven Israelis were killed, and 50 were wounded.

Oct. 27, 2002 - A suicide bomber wearing an explosive belt detonated himself, despite being shot, at the gas station near the entrance to the city of Ariel.Â*Â*Three Israeli civilians were killed, and 17 were wounded.

Oct. 11, 2002 - A suicide bomber is arrested at the entrance to a caf? before he could detonate his explosive belt.

Oct. 10, 2002 - A suicide bomber wearing an explosive belt detonated himself near a bus stop at the Bar Ilan Bridge in Ramat Gan. An Israeli civilian was killed, and 20 were wounded.

Sept. 19, 2002 - A suicide bomber detonated a bag laden with explosives on the No. 4 bus line on Allenby Street in Tel Aviv, in which six Israelis were killed and 66 were injured.

Aug. 4, 2002 - A suicide bomber detonated an explosive device strapped to his body on a bus traveling near Mt. Meron in northern Israel. Nine Israeli civilians were killed, and 48 wounded.

June 18, 2002 - A suicide bomber detonated an explosives-laden bag on a bus traveling along Dov-Yosef Street in Jerusalem. Nineteen civilians were killed, and 50 wounded.

May 7, 2002 - A suicide bomber detonated an explosive belt and an additional explosive device in a bag, at a club in Rishon Letzion. Sixteen Israeli civilians were killed, and 51 were wounded.

March 31, 2002 - A suicide bomber detonated himself at the ?Matzah? restaurant in Haifa. Fifteen Israeli civilians were killed and 31 were wounded.

March 27, 2002 - A suicide bomber blew himself up with an explosive belt in the Park Hotel in Netanya. Thirty Israeli civilians were killed and 144 were wounded.

March 9, 2002 - A suicide bomber detonated an explosive device strapped to his body at the entrance of the ?Moment Caf?? in Jerusalem. Eleven Israeli civilians were killed and 58 were wounded.

March 7, 2002 - A suicide bomber attempted to detonate an explosive device strapped to his back in the ?Kafit Caf?" in Jerusalem. Nobody was injured.

Feb. 6, 2002 - A suicide bomber boarded a bus traveling between the city of Maale Adumim and Jerusalem, and attempted to detonate an explosive belt.

Dec. 12, 2001 - Two suicide bombers detonate explosive devices next to Israeli vehicles in the area of Ganei Tal in the Gaza Strip, while an additional explosive device is detonated near another Israeli vehicle. Three Israeli civilians were injured.

Dec. 2, 2001 - A suicide bomber detonated an explosive device concealed under a coat on a bus near Yad L?banim in Haifa. Fifteen civilians were killed and 35 wounded.

Dec. 1, 2001 - Two suicide bombers detonated explosive devices concealed in bags on Ben Yehudah Street in Jerusalem. Immediately following, a car bomb exploded nearby. Eleven civilians were killed and
170 wounded.

Nov. 26, 2001 - A suicide bomber wearing an explosive belt detonated himself at the Erez checkpoint in the Gaza Strip. Two policemen were wounded.

Nov. 8, 2001 - A suicide bomber detonated himself in the area of Bakah Al Sharkiah, during an attempt to arrest him while on his way to enter Israel. Two IDF soldiers were wounded.

Sept. 9, 2001 - A suicide bomber detonated an explosive device strapped to his body at the Nahariya train station. An Israeli civilian and two soldiers were killed and 46 were wounded.

Sept. 4, 2001 - A suicide bomber detonated an explosive device strapped to his body on Nevi'im Street in Jerusalem. Thirteen Israeli civilians were wounded.

Aug. 9, 2001 - A suicide bomber blew himself up at the Sbarro restaurant in Jerusalem. Fifteen Israelis were killed and 110 wounded.

Aug. 8, 2001 - A suicide bomber detonated a car bomb next to the Bekaot checkpoint in the West Bank. An IDF soldier was injured.

July 9, 2001 - A suicide bomber detonated a car bomb near an IDF vehicle in the area of Gush Katif in the Gaza Strip, resulting in the injury of an IDF soldier.

June 22, 2001 - A suicide bomber detonated a car bomb near IDF forces in Alei Sinai in the Gaza Strip. Two IDF soldiers were killed, and another soldier was wounded.

June 1, 2001 - A suicide bomber detonated himself at the entrance to the ?Dolphinarium? club in Tel Aviv. Twenty-two Israeli civilians were killed, and 83 were wounded.

May 29, 2001 - Two terrorists approached an IDF position at the ?Tofah? Junction in the Gaza Strip. One terrorist detonated an explosive device strapped to his body, and the other hurled grenades and opened fire. Two IDF soldiers were wounded.

May 25, 2001 - A suicide bomber detonated a container filled with 48 kg. of explosives and three gas balloons at the Netzarim Junction in the Gaza Strip.

May 18, 2003 - A suicide bomber detonated an explosive device strapped to his body at the entrance to a mall in Netanya. Five Israeli civilians were killed, and 86 were wounded.

April 29, 2001 - A suicide bomber detonated a car bomb near a bus carrying children at the Dir Sharif Junction.

April 22, 2001 - A suicide bomber detonated himself near a bus stop in the city of Kfar Saba. An Israeli was killed and 45 were wounded.
March 28, 2001 - A suicide bomber blew himself up near a gas station at the Neveh Yamin/Kfar Saba Junction. Two Israeli civilians were killed, and four were wounded.

March 27, 2001 - A suicide bomber detonated an explosive strapped to his body, near an Israeli bus at the French Hill Junction in Jerusalem. Twenty-one Israeli civilians were wounded.

March 4, 2001 - A suicide bomber detonated a case laden with explosives on the main street of Netanya. Three Israelis were killed and 53 injured.

March 1, 2001 - A suicide bomber blew himself up while in a taxi, near the Me Ami Junction. An Israeli civilian was killed, and 10 were wounded.

Jan. 1, 2003 - A car bomb exploded in Netanya. Thirty-five Israeli civilians were wounded.

Dec. 22, 2000 - A suicide bomber wearing an explosive belt detonated himself at the entrance to a restaurant in the Jordan Valley, resulting in the injury of three IDF soldiers.

Dec. 15, 2000 - A suicide bomber attempted to detonate an explosive belt near Israeli security forces close to the Erez crossing. The suicide bomber also attempted to stab Israeli security personnel.

Nov. 6, 2000 - A booby-trapped raft exploded close to an Israeli Navy ?Dabur,? near the Israel-Egypt border in Rafah. Hamas publicly claimed responsibility for the suicide attack.

Hamas has a more moderate wing that was gaining power. One that had decided that negotiations had more to offer them than war. The world made them look like fools.

Wow Alonzo, in light of the list above I am sure glad it is the moderates directing the attacks.Â*Â*Gads man, where do you get your information.

[Alonzo]

Nice response. Notice anything odd about your post? Maybe the absence of 2005 and 2006? The only real exception in those 2 years (until recently) occured in 2005, in response to an attack by the IDF that killed some members of Hamas.

[BoogyMan]

Nice response. Notice anything odd about your post? Maybe the absence of 2005 and 2006? The only real exception in those 2 years (until recently) occured in 2005, in response to an attack by the IDF that killed some members of Hamas.


But wait!Â*Â*Theres more:

4/17/2006 - Nine people were killed and at least 40 wounded in a suicide bombing near the old central bus station in Tel Aviv. The blast ripped through Falafel Rosh Ha'ir, the same restaurant that was hit by an attack on January 19. The Islamic Jihad and Fatah’s Al Aksa Martyrs Brigades both claimed responsibility for the attack. The Hamas led PA government defended the suicide bombing, calling it an act of "self-defense." Hamas official spokesman Sami Abu Zuhri called the attack "a natural result of the continued Israeli crimes against our people".

9/24/2005 - The IAF responded to the 35 qassam rockets fired into Israel on Friday (23/09/05). The retaliation consisted of air strikes against various targets in the northern Gaza Strip, including three Hamas buildings used for the manufacture and storage of weapons by the terrorist organization.

1/13/2005 - Six Israelis were killed and five other civilians were wounded in a double suicide bombing at the Karni crossing between Israel and the Gaza Strip. The two suicide bombers used a very large explosive device to blast through a defensive wall that separates the Israeli and Palestinian sides at the crossing. Following the blast, the bombers crossed into the Israeli side, carrying explosives on their bodies, which they detonated. Hamas and the Fatah al-Aqsa Martyrs' Brigades claimed joint responsiblity for the attack.

[Nathan Brazil]

Nice response. Notice anything odd about your post? Maybe the absence of 2005 and 2006? The only real exception in those 2 years (until recently) occured in 2005, in response to an attack by the IDF that killed some members of Hamas.


Isreal Ministry of Foreign Affairs (http://www.mfa.gov.il/MFA/Terrorism-+Obstacle+to+Peace/Terrorism+and+Islamic+Fundamentalism-/2005+Terrorism+Review.htm)

2005 Terrorism Review

2 Jan 2006

(Communicated by the Prime Minister's Office)

The year 2005 was marked by the "tahdia" (declared calm) that was announced on 22 January 2005 and according to which, the Palestinian groups committed themselves to refrain from perpetrating terrorist actions against Israel.

However, despite the aforesaid commitment, 2,990 terrorist attacks were perpetrated against Israeli targets in 2005. The firing of Kassam rockets even increased in 2005, as compared to 2004, with 377 rocket attacks in 2005, as opposed to 309 in 2004.

An increase in the number of terrorist attacks was also apparent in Judea, with 379 attacks after the 22 January 2005 declaration, as opposed to 288 attacks in the same time frame before the declaration. The most significant decline was registered in the Gaza Strip, with 1,205 attacks after the 22 January 2005 declaration, as opposed to 2,637 before.

Regarding the number and level of warnings in 2005, there was no real change in the terrorist organizations' motivation to attack Israeli targets. The number of monthly warnings remained for the most part fairly high.

[But this must be what everyone's talking about]

There was a significant decline in the number of Israeli casualties. Forty-five Israelis (37 civilians and eight members of the security forces) were killed in 2005, as opposed to 117 (76 civilians and 41 members of the security forces) in 2004, a decline of approximately 60%. Twenty-three of these were killed in seven suicide attacks (55 Israelis were killed in 15 suicide attacks in 2004).

Wow, only 45 Israelis were killed in 2005, compared to 117 in the year before.

According to the CIA, Isreal has a population of 6.3 million people. 45 deaths in Isreal is the equivalent of 2143 people in a country of 300 million, like the United States.

So, last year, only one Isreali World Trade Center was destroyed, as opposed to the equivalent of two the year before. How long would Mexico stand as dryland if it killed thousands of Americans every year?

[Alonzo]

First, comparing civilian casualties is not a good defense, as Israel always has less annually than palestinians.

Second, there is much more than Hamas in Israel. Your article simply lumps them all together and you try to use that to attack my statement, which dealt solely with Hamas. I made no statement regarding other groups.

4/17/2006 - Nine people were killed and at least 40 wounded in a suicide bombing near the old central bus station in Tel Aviv. The blast ripped through Falafel Rosh Ha'ir, the same restaurant that was hit by an attack on January 19. The Islamic Jihad and Fatah’s Al Aksa Martyrs Brigades both claimed responsibility for the attack. The Hamas led PA government defended the suicide bombing, calling it an act of "self-defense." Hamas official spokesman Sami Abu Zuhri called the attack "a natural result of the continued Israeli crimes against our people".

not hamas by your own admission

9/24/2005 - The IAF responded to the 35 qassam rockets fired into Israel on Friday (23/09/05). The retaliation consisted of air strikes against various targets in the northern Gaza Strip, including three Hamas buildings used for the manufacture and storage of weapons by the terrorist organization.

Hamas being attacked has never been disputed.

1/13/2005 - Six Israelis were killed and five other civilians were wounded in a double suicide bombing at the Karni crossing between Israel and the Gaza Strip. The two suicide bombers used a very large explosive device to blast through a defensive wall that separates the Israeli and Palestinian sides at the crossing. Following the blast, the bombers crossed into the Israeli side, carrying explosives on their bodies, which they detonated. Hamas and the Fatah al-Aqsa Martyrs' Brigades claimed joint responsiblity for the attack.

Before the latest ceasefire:

Monday January 24, 2005
The Guardian


Hamas and Islamic Jihad have agreed to suspend attacks on Israel in order to give the new Palestinian leader, Mahmoud Abbas, time to secure international guarantees for a comprehensive ceasefire that would end more than four years of intifada.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/international/story/0,,1396958,00.html

Remember, I only commented on Hamas.

If you remember, there were multiple ceasefires that extended back to mid 2004, but they were short and usually ended after Hamas was attacked, since Israel said Hamas was simply using the time to build up weapons.

[Nathan Brazil]

First, comparing civilian casualties is not a good defense, as Israel always has less annually than palestinians.

Yeah, you gotta figure that a culture that lionizes suicide bombers isn't very bright, so, yeah, I do suppose there's some out there watching the fireworks when the victims retaliate.

You're not including the dead suicide bombers on the Palestinian total, are you?

[Alonzo]

Palestinians killed during the course of an assasination- 29

Palestinians who were the target of an assasination- 22

Palestinians killed by Israeli Security Forces- 190
Under 18- 52

Wow, only 45 Israelis were killed in 2005, compared to 117 in the year before.


[Palestinians killed in 2004: 812

under 18: 178[/quote]

http://www.btselem.org/english/Statistics/Palestinians_killed_by_Israeli_security_forces_mon tly_tables.asp