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ViolaLee
10-09-2007, 07:20 PM
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A woman and a child inspect a car with blood splattered on the door after two Christian Iraqi women were shot to death in central Karradah, Baghdad, Iraq, on Tuesday, Oct. 9, 2007. Iraqi police, and witnesses said that the men who shot them were in a convoy of four SUVs commonly used by private security companies. While there was no indication Blackwater USA was involved, the attack threatened to increase calls for limits on the security firms that mounted after the Sept. 16 shooting deaths of as many as 17 Iraqi civilians allegedly that company's guards.

Guards in a security convoy opened fire on a car at an intersection in central Baghdad on Tuesday, killing two Iraqi Christian women, police said.

Police and witnesses could not immediately give more details about the gunmen in Baghdad except to say they were in a convoy of four SUVs commonly used by private security companies and the Iraqi Ministry of Interior.

The State Department said the convoy was not protecting U.S. diplomats, but an embassy spokeswoman said an American nongovernmental organization may have been involved.

Another policeman, who spoke on condition of anonymity because he feared retribution, said the guards were masked and wearing khaki uniforms. He said one of them left the vehicle and started to shoot at the car while another opened fire from the open back door of a separate SUV.

The victims were identified by relatives and police as Marou Awanis, born in 1959, as Geneva Jalal, born in 1977.

"These are innocent people killed by people who have no heart or consciousness. The Iraqi people have no value to them," said a man who was part of a group of relatives gathered with a Christian priest at the local police station.

The man said Awanis had three daughters. "Who will now raise the girls? They are now motherless," he said.

Awanis' sister-in-law, Anahet Bougous, said the woman was using her car to taxi government employees to work to help raise money for her three daughters.


ABC News (http://abcnews.go.com/International/WireStory?id=3707413&page=3)

I think it's time to get all of the overpaid contractors out of Iraq and let the US military and the Iraqi military deal with it. At least they have rules and codes of honor and retribution and consequences for their actions. These contractors have one consequence for committing a murder, they get fired.

Deadshot
10-09-2007, 07:22 PM
I think it's time to get all of the overpaid contractors out of Iraq and let the US military and the Iraqi military deal with it. At least they have rules and codes of honor and retribution and consequences for their actions. These contractors have one consequence for committing an murder, they get fired.


Totally agree. Great post:thumbsup:

ViolaLee
10-09-2007, 07:29 PM
Thanks. This story hit me. These women had children in the backseat of the car, according to the radio report. They were just trying to live and work and raise their kids. This whole war is such a tragedy. I'm distressed by the US involvement in the killings.

Deadshot
10-09-2007, 07:33 PM
NOthing like breeding a whole new group of terrorists. If I was one of those three kids in the car, I'd want my revenge on the people who killed my innocent mother....dear God we are fucking this up more and more every day:unreal:

Kyi Yo
10-09-2007, 08:00 PM
This is heartbreaking and criminal. What are we doing??? We have contractors acting outside of the laws of anyone, shooting innocent civilians! I'm certain Iraqi's see us as their great liberators now. As we liberate them from their lives and continue to try to liberate them from their oil.

ViolaLee
10-09-2007, 09:22 PM
You're right Deadshot. All we are doing is creating more terrorists out to get revenge against us for killing their family members. The Iraq war isn't making us safer. Quite the opposite.

PatrickHenry
10-09-2007, 09:25 PM
Use the correct word, not the euphemism.

They're not contractors...they're mercenaries.

Jaaaman
10-09-2007, 09:36 PM
We have no idea who did this. You all are jumping to conclusions.

Hint: Unknown Security Forces.

ViolaLee
10-09-2007, 09:41 PM
We have no idea who did this. You all are jumping to conclusions.

Hint: Unknown Security Forces.


Hint an embassy spokeswoman said an American nongovernmental organization may have been involved.

Kyi Yo
10-09-2007, 09:46 PM
Iraqi Interior Ministry officials told The Washington Post that the security contractor was Dubai-based Unity Resources Group. The firm, founded by an Australian, is registered in Singapore and is run by several Australian nationals.

Mirembe Nantongo, a U.S. Embassy spokeswoman, said the security company may have been under contract to a U.S. nongovernmental organization working in Iraq.

Washington Post Report (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/10/09/AR2007100900481_pf.html)

Jaaaman
10-09-2007, 09:59 PM
Washington Post Report Oh... The Washington Compost? Spare me... :lmao:

BoogyMan
10-09-2007, 10:02 PM
We have no idea who did this. You all are jumping to conclusions.

Hint: Unknown Security Forces.


Hint an embassy spokeswoman said an American nongovernmental organization may have been involved.


Since an unnamed spokeswoman made the claim using the phrase "may be involved," I would wait until further investigation is done before speaking dogmatically Viola. I think that is what Jaaaman is getting at.

lily
10-09-2007, 10:09 PM
We have no idea who did this. You all are jumping to conclusions.

Hint: Unknown Security Forces.


Hint an embassy spokeswoman said an American nongovernmental organization may have been involved.

I'm with Jaaa on this one. If we can argue about an s in another thread, I can argue the may have in this article. What makes me wonder is the first sentence in the article:

A woman and a child inspect a car with blood splattered on the door after two Christian Iraqi women were shot to death in central Karradah, Baghdad, Iraq, on Tuesday, Oct. 9, 2007.

When you are in the middle of a civil war and your faith isn't one or the other........but the main faith of the occupiers, it doesn't add up that mercenaries are going to be targeting you, but an extreme religious sect would.

In a war, where it pays to look like someone else, then I can reasonably think that with missing weapons, uniforms and Western style commando clothing can be bought on the black market....anyone can do almost anything and who is to know.......especially when Blackwater is in the news.

jafar00
10-10-2007, 10:54 AM
Use the correct word, not the euphemism.

They're not contractors...they're mercenaries.


And the people turning against the US due to these incidents are not terrorists.

I Like Beer
10-10-2007, 02:03 PM
Use the correct word, not the euphemism.

They're not contractors...they're mercenaries.


And the people turning against the US due to these incidents are not terrorists.


Citizens of countries that have traditionally been US allies, see Bush 41 as the "one of the most dangerous men in the world" and that "US policy has made the world more unsafe" - even the Israeli's believe that.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5NLy_y0zYRo

Deadshot
10-10-2007, 02:16 PM
For Jaaman and Boogey, these people were NOT USA mercenaries, instead they were mercenaries HIRED by the USA.

Now here in the United States, if I HIRED a group of people to do a job, and they fucked it up, you are partially responsible, since you gave them the job and allowed them to, and paid them for, the job.

This type of action is hardly winning the hearts and minds.

Do you both seriously think that:

A) This has no "splatter effect" for the USA? That is that we aren't tainted by the actions of mercenaries we ok'd and hired?

B) Does this help us win Iraqi's over to the cause of Democracy, when the Iraqi government is asking for BlackWater to leave and then another set of mercenaries murders two mothers?

C) Are we there to "Kill'em all and let God sort'em out" or are we there for the reason that our Government and our Military says we are there..."To promote a viable Democracy and future ally of the USA"?

D) Finally, In our nation this type of crap would simply not be tolerated. Why should we look at those people differently?

We, the United States of America, are fucking things up over there, plain and simple...:unreal:

ViolaLee
10-10-2007, 04:21 PM
Thank you Deadshot, I was just going to say, the US government is the one hiring these mercenaries. If they are from Australia or England or where ever, the US government is responsible for them, as OUR TAX DOLLARS are paying for this SHITE!