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lily
10-02-2007, 10:53 PM
Works for me......since the oil sure isn't paying for it, like we were told and we're spending more and more......... (http://www.cnn.com/2007/POLITICS/10/02/democrats.war.tax/index.html)

Top Democrats propose war surtax



WASHINGTON (CNN) -- Top House Democrats Tuesday proposed a "war surtax" to
pay for the war in Iraq and Afghanistan, a plan quickly condemned by
Republicans and opposed by the House leadership.


Rep. Dave Obey Tuesday said the surtax is a way for "this generation" to pay
for the Iraq war.



The surtax would be "a percentage of your tax bill," said House
Appropriations Committee Chairman Dave Obey, D-Wisconsin. "And if you don't
like the cost, then shut down the war."

The measure -- sponsored by Obey, Rep. Jack Murtha, D-Pennsylvania, and Jim
McGovern, D-Massachusetts -- would require low- and middle-income taxpayers
to add 2 percent to their tax bill, while higher-income taxpayers would add
12 to 15 percent, Obey said.

The House Democratic leadership made it clear Wednesday that they had not
signed off on the measure.

In a statement released Tuesday afternoon, House speaker Nancy Pelosi
blasted President Bush for not asking Americans to sacrifice and "adding
hundreds of billions of dollars in debt for future generations to repay."

But Pelosi said she will not back the measure.

"Some have suggested that shared sacrifice should take the form of a draft;
others have suggested a surtax. Those who oppose a tax and the draft also
should oppose the president's war," Pelosi said. "Just as I have opposed the
war from the outset, I am opposed to a draft and I am opposed to a war
surtax."

A spokesman for the House Ways and Means committee, which handles all tax
measures, told CNN "there's no expectation that this proposal will come
before the committee."

The proposal comes as the Bush administration requested an additional $190
billion for the war in Iraq and Afghanistan.

Obey estimated the surtax would annually generate between $140 and $150
billion dollars which is equivalent to the annual cost of the war in Iraq.
Watch Obey say he will not give the White House a blank check" ยป

"This is the first time in American history that when a president has taken
a country to war and said 'by the way folks, we're going to have to
sacrifice and they way to sacrifice is by cutting your taxes.'" Obey said.
"It makes no sense."

Speaking at a Capitol Hill press conference, McGovern said families of
troops serving in Iraq would be exempt from the surtax, and that the tax was
similar to ones imposed during War War II and the Vietnam War.

The Republican leadership was quick to condemn the proposal.

"Raiding every taxpayer's wallet for the purposes of playing politics with
our national security amounts to one of the most irresponsible proposals
I've seen in a long, long time," House Minority Leader John Boehner said in
a statement. "It's time for Democrats to support our troops and the strategy
that has led them to make undeniable progress in Iraq."

A Democratic leadership aide dismissed criticism from the GOP, saying,
"Republicans are talking about something [surtax proposal] that's never
going to see the light of day, but they're doing it at their own peril
because the more they talk about the costs of war, the more Americans will
listen."


Majority Leader Steny Hoyer, the No. 2 Democrat in the House, said he agreed
"this generation ought to help pay for" the war but that there was no
agreement on backing the bill.

"One of the stories I just read said 'the Democrats propose,'" Hoyer said.
"This is a proposal by Mr. Obey. Mr. Murtha and Mr. McGovern. This is not a
party proposal."

ticbeast
10-02-2007, 11:31 PM
We're gonna have to pay for it sooner or later...so why not now?

"Raiding every taxpayer's wallet for the purposes of playing politics with
our national security amounts to one of the most irresponsible proposals
I've seen in a long, long time," House Minority Leader John Boehner said in
a statement. "It's time for Democrats to support our troops and the strategy
that has led them to make undeniable progress in Iraq."

This cracked me up. I fail to see how paying for the war constitutes not supporting the troops, and how paying your debts makes you irresponsible, but whatever floats your boat I guess :D

Cobra
10-02-2007, 11:58 PM
Dems better stop with the trying to raise taxes unless they want to seriously hurt their chances in 08. People hate higher taxes as much as a bad war.

lily
10-03-2007, 01:13 AM
If we actually had to pay for it, then maybe people would think twice and end it.

Cobra
10-03-2007, 01:16 AM
Or just not elect the people trying to take more of their money. A sensative issue, you don't win elections by taking unpopular even if necessery stands.

lily
10-03-2007, 01:23 AM
I know....lying beats facing reality any day accoding to politicians. Like I said, if nothing else it will make people aware.

ECW
10-03-2007, 03:12 PM
Nothing like neocons pushing their bad debts and mistakes onto another generation of Americans while they skate off scot free.

"Raiding every taxpayer's wallet for the purposes of playing politics with
our national security amounts to one of the most irresponsible proposals
I've seen in a long, long time," House Minority Leader John Boehner said in
a statement. "It's time for Democrats to support our troops and the strategy
that has led them to make undeniable progress in Iraq."

Boehner is a fear-mongering neocon idiot. He wouldn't know the first thing about accountability. It's why he's MINORITY leader now. 2006 was obviously a lesson he still hasn't learned.

PatrickHenry
10-03-2007, 06:44 PM
...if you don't like the cost, then shut down the war."

OK...let's do THAT!

Truth_and_Power
10-03-2007, 07:12 PM
Repub's want the war paid for outside of the normal budget, but they don't want a special tax for it. Can't have it both ways kiddos.

exigent
10-04-2007, 02:50 PM
Yeah, we gotta pay back China one of these days, or they'll break our legs

jafar00
10-04-2007, 05:17 PM
The hundreds of billions need to come from somewhere and they will get it from your pockets on way or another. The tax is a good idea to drive home the message that the war was wrong.

Cobra
10-04-2007, 07:01 PM
lol all it will drive home is don't vote dems, they'll raise your taxes through the roof. You really think people will connect this tax with a "war" being wrong. that's not how it works.

exigent
10-04-2007, 07:07 PM
I wonder what the conservative solution to our 9 trillion dollar debt is if it isnt to raise taxes, especially for the super rich and corporations...

Cobra
10-04-2007, 07:12 PM
Sure we will raise taxes but wait till your elected first before talking about it. That just basic stuff the dems don't seem to get.

exigent
10-04-2007, 07:14 PM
"Read my lips!"

PatrickHenry
10-04-2007, 07:14 PM
Sure we will raise taxes but wait till your elected first before talking about it. That just basic stuff the dems don't seem to get.
Oh...Honesty!


Well that's just unnecessary in politics, huh, Cobra?

potter
10-04-2007, 08:12 PM
lol all it will drive home is don't vote dems, they'll raise your taxes through the roof. You really think people will connect this tax with a "war" being wrong. that's not how it works.


:lmao::lmao::lmao:

The Republicans are setting you Democrats up for a huge fall. The only way out for you dems is to vote Republican.

The debt will have to be brought down. Over the long run it's unsustainable unless taxes are raised or BIG budget cuts are put in place or both. Since we cannot cut the budget for the "forever war" guess what's going to happen when the democrats take over. They are going to have to raise taxes, cut government services or both...or watch as the US sinks hoplessly into financiial ruin. We already spend upwards of 365 billion a year just servicing the national debt. Without increased revenue, give it a few more years and we won't be able to service the debt and provide basic services.

Yup...you dems are being set up big time and you're going to end up taking the fall. Unless you put a republican back in office. Let them take the fall for the mess they made.

Cobra
10-04-2007, 08:46 PM
"Read my lips!"


and don't say that either. Be wishy washy on the subject.

lily
10-04-2007, 10:36 PM
The debt will have to be brought down. Over the long run it's unsustainable unless taxes are raised or BIG budget cuts are put in place or both. Since we cannot cut the budget for the "forever war" guess what's going to happen when the democrats take over. They are going to have to raise taxes, cut government services or both...or watch as the US sinks hoplessly into financiial ruin. We already spend upwards of 365 billion a year just servicing the national debt. Without increased revenue, give it a few more years and we won't be able to service the debt and provide basic services.




In other words, potter........someone has to be the adult sometime?