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Kyi Yo
10-02-2007, 09:51 AM
I'm glad I asked.

Sorry, I'm suffering from insomnia, so y'all get to put up with my lame sleep-deprived humor.......

Okay, so instead of tackling the REAL terrorist threat, we're in Iraq fighting an unwinnable war, a private government contractor aka US funded mercenaries are killing innocent Iraqi's and getting huge piles of money to do it.

It really is that insane. And didn't we just hear this administration give us a rosy glowing report about how the violence was on the decline?


McClatchy Washington Bureau
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Posted on Mon, Oct. 01, 2007
U.N.: Violence in Afghanistan up almost 25 percent in '07
Jonathan S. Landay | McClatchy Newspapers

last updated: October 01, 2007 10:15:55 PM

WASHINGTON — Afghanistan is currently suffering its most violent year since the 2001 U.S.-led intervention, according to an internal United Nations report that sharply contrasts with recent upbeat appraisals by President Bush and his Afghan counterpart, Hamid Karzai.

"The security situation in Afghanistan is assessed by most analysts as having deteriorated at a constant rate through 2007," said the report compiled by the Kabul office of the U.N. Department of Safety and Security.

There were 525 security incidents — attacks by the Taliban and other violent groups, bombings, terrorism of other kinds, and abductions — on average every month during the first half of this year, up from an average of 425 incidents per month in 2006.

Last year was the most violent since the U.S. post-September 11 offensive that ousted the hard-line Taliban Islamic militia from power and drove Osama bin Laden and his al Qaida terrorists into neighboring Pakistan.

The U.N.'s Half-Year Review of the Security Situation in Afghanistan underscored the continuing resurgence of the Taliban, which many experts attribute to Bush's decision to shift troops and resources to Iraq, the U.S. failure to capture the militia's top leaders, and the refuge the militia has secured in the lawless tribal region of neighboring Pakistan.

There are currently about 40,000 U.S. and NATO troops in Afghanistan.

Bush and Karzai met for talks Friday in New York and later touted advances made since the Taliban's ouster, including reduced childhood mortality rates, and increases in the numbers of health clinics and children going to school.

"Afghanistan, indeed, has made progress," said Karzai. The following day, he offered to meet the Taliban's spiritual and political leader, Mullah Mohammad Omar and to offer militia members Cabinet seats if it would bring peace.

The U.N. report said that the nature of the Taliban insurgency has changed significantly since 2006.

Guerrillas have been staging fewer conventional attacks on U.S.-led NATO forces and Afghan troops and relying more heavily on suicide attacks, improvised explosive devices, assassinations, intimidation and abductions, it said.

"The Afghan National Police has become a primary target of insurgents and intimidation of all kinds has increased against the civilian population, especially those perceived to be in support of the government, international military forces as well as the humanitarian and development community," said the report.

The Taliban and associated groups have engaged in fewer large-scale clashes with foreign and Afghan forces because they suffered large numbers of casualties, including many mid-level and senior commanders, in conventional battles last year.

"Another reason must be the realization that these types of attacks are futile against a modern conventionally equipped military force supported by a wide range of air assets," said the report, which also noted improvements in the Afghan National Army.

A U.S. diplomat, who requested anonymity because he was not authorized to speak publicly, said the Taliban appeared to be trying to counter a U.S. and NATO counter-insurgency strategy - which is to undercut public support for the guerrillas through stepped up delivery of reconstruction and humanitarian aid.

"The insurgents are also trying to separate the people from the government. They are doing that by making people very reluctant to go and actively or passively support the government," he said. "We've got an enemy who is quick on his feet, responsive and adaptable to the changing environment."

McClatchy Newspapers 2007

PatrickHenry
10-02-2007, 05:13 PM
Afghanistan is just another of Uncle Sam's wars of conquest, Kyi Yo.

The puppet Karzai will never be the ruler of that divided land.

And meanwhile the CIA's profitable heroin trade has boomed.

ticbeast
10-02-2007, 11:35 PM
"Shoot we can't find him!"
"Quick, make a diversion, invade Iraq!"

~Government talks on osama and Al Qaeda 4 years ago

ViolaLee
10-02-2007, 11:53 PM
Baghdad suicide bombs are going down because we have 100,000 US troops in Baghdad. But in Afghanistan, birthland of Al Qaeda, the group that actually attacked us, suicide bombings are on the rise.

Ya think Dubya might have fucked the war on terra up just a bit?

lily
10-03-2007, 01:54 AM
This is what happens when you pull out troops to send them to fight another war, before they are finished fighting the first one.

Bush says if Iraq can pull it off, they would be a shining example of Democracy......all the while forgetting Afghanistan could have been that model.

Cobra
10-03-2007, 01:59 AM
Afghanistan is still doing a lot better than Iraq comperetivly. Remember to much intervention and to foreign troops on the ground fuel resentment among the locals. We really don't need 100,000 troops there tho the special ops they moved to Iraq shoulda stayed.

tony mitra
10-03-2007, 03:31 AM
Kyi Yo,

You are an indigenous, and might posses the capacity to think of it from outside the box. Try removing yourself from the current conflict, stand far apart from the rest of the folks, and look at Afghanistan and the general region from a historical perspective, to get to understand the ground realities, which often have roots deep into the past.

Consider the fact that the Afghan-Pakistan border is an artificial border created by Governments and powers that are no more existing, such as the British Raj of India, the King of Afghanistan or the Czar of Rusia a hundred and twenty years ago.

Consider also, what the natural spheres of influence and the boundaries of the people of the place was, and is. Consider that the Pashtoon tribes are evenly cut into two with half in Pakistan and the other half in Afghnistan. Consider the Baluch, also spread across Pakistan, Afghanistan and Iran.

Consider the language of the Afghans, part of which is heavily influenced by Persian, pointing to a fact that the region had cultural, and linguistic influence from Iran.

Consider also the fact that the tribals live in semi aried, parched lands with a very hard and semi nomadic lifestyle, and have traditionally lived a life of a few villages under a warlord, who sets the rule for his land, and that these fierce groups of people never accepted any higher political authority, be it a local Kiing, British Raj, Czar, the Pakistani Government or any other.

They were considered the bandits that attacked the traders caravans along the silk route thousands of years ago, and they were the same bandits that made life miserable for the armies o f the Pesian Empire, Ghengis Khan, the Indian Emperors, the British forces, the Russian Czar's imperial army, the Soviet military thirty years ago, and the NATO forces now. Its their lifestyle, and has been so from before the time of Christ.

Attack them, and the factions unite and will fight the intruders for as many generations as they have to. Leave them alone, and they disintegrate immediately into their little fiefdoms and live their life or local skirmishes, more or less ignoring the rest of the world, except pouncing on some unwary traveller through their lands.

Consider that Islam was superimposed on top of this lifestyle, and has gotten entrenched through a thousand years of practice.

Consider the fact their neither religion, nor nationality has yet helped these tribes to fully merge or cooperate with each other to an extent where they could be considered unified into a same country.

Consider the fact that by and large the Baluchs, Pashtoons and others till consider themselves free, meaning free of rule from any of the nations around the place.

Consider finally the fact that modern civilization has not touched them at all, and neither has the poverty been eradicated. There is a serious resistance in their mind, about the western notions of liberty, western education, feminism, modernization, free mixing of women and men in society, and a number of other issues that we take for granted.

Now, try to imagine, if external forces were removed, what the final shape and texture of the region might be, in some sort of equilibrium.

Then, you can see how much force you might need, and for how long, to cement an untried system, untried cultural revolution, untried homogenization of tribes, languages and lifestyles, and morph them into an agricultural or industrial market based lifestyle, and you might come to a realization.

This is not to put you off and neither sanctioning Mr. Bush’s agenda in the region, but just attempting to help you think it through, indigenous style. You might find the answer less muddied than someone that got a master’s degree in political science sitting in Oxford or Harvard.

Winks.