Chickenhawk Limbaugh and Phony Soldiers

[ECW]

Well, Mr Ass Blister who dodged serving his country in VietNam is calling troops who oppose this war "phony soldiers"? What a set a grapefruits this drug-addicted scofflaw has on him. I wonder if his rightwing buddies in Congress who had plenty of outrage in their tanks over the MoveOn.org advertisement will utter even a peep about Rush Limbaugh's latest derogatory outburst or will they sit silently like good neocons and wait for the storm to pass?

I can state with absolute certainty that neither of my Senators from Texas will be heard from on this outrageous conduct by one of their firmest supporters. Senator Cornball and Senator Huckabuck fry only Democratic fish. Republican fish are caught and released.

During the September 26 broadcast of his nationally syndicated radio show, Rush Limbaugh called service members who advocate U.S. withdrawal from Iraq “phony soldiers.” He made the comment while discussing with a caller a conversation he had with a previous caller, “Mike from Chicago,” who said he “used to be military,” and “believe[s] that we should pull out of Iraq.”

Limbaugh told the second caller, whom he identified as “Mike, this one from Olympia, Washington,” that “[t]here’s a lot” that people who favor U.S. withdrawal “don’t understand” and that when asked why the United States should pull out, their only answer is, ” ‘Well, we just gotta bring the troops home.’ … ‘Save the — keeps the troops safe’ or whatever,” adding, “[I]t’s not possible, intellectually, to follow these people.”

“Mike” from Olympia replied, “No, it’s not, and what’s really funny is, they never talk to real soldiers. They like to pull these soldiers that come up out of the blue and talk to the media.” Limbaugh interjected, “The phony soldiers.” The caller, who had earlier said, “I am a serving American military, in the Army,” agreed, replying, “The phony soldiers.”

Rush Limbaugh, dissing our brave soldiers sacrificing in combat??? I am positive that the Republican party in Congress are drafting up an amendment to condemn that heartless Limbaugh, right? (/snark)

Actually, that’s a good idea: Here is the Roll Call from the House MoveOn condemnation and the Senate MoveOn condemnation. Clearly, Limbaugh is violating the “sense of the Senate” by criticizing active duty troops. McCain thought that MoveOn should “be thrown out of the country.” Lieberman called it “an outrageous and despicable act of slander that every member of the Congress — Democrat and Republican — has a solemn responsibility to condemn.”

So let’s ask them. Ask Lieberman and McCain if they will condemn Rush Limbaugh as they have MoveOn. Let’s ask ALL the congress critters who thought it important to condemn MoveOn if they will do the same for Rush.

Jon Soltz [of VoteVets.com] asks, “So, I’m a phony soldier, Rush?” as does Iraq veteran John Bruhn.

UPDATE:“I’m calling on the Senate to pass an amendment or uphold their latest one and condemn Rush Limbaugh’s cowardly acts on our troops! Soldiers from the 82nd Airborne in Iraq wrote a NY Times op-ed—criticizing the war in Iraq, and had the bravery to suggest that it was time to develop an exit strategy. Two of them just died. Are they phonies, Rush? Where’s the “sense of the Senate” on this outrage?

~link~ (http://www.crooksandliars.com/2007/09/27/limbaugh-troops-supporting-us-withdrawal-phony-soldiers/)

[bobbylien]

Well, he goes on and on for hours every day... one of those days he is bound to let his real feelings escape. He is just a fucking idiot if you ask me, who gives a fuck what he has to say? Any publicity is good publicity when you're running a radio show and have a loyal gang of thugs at your side to support you through thick and thin.

[Kyi Yo]

This moron just pissed off the wrong people, Iraq vets who oppose the war. They have just challenged him, "Say it to my face".

Jon Soltz, who is one of the leaders at VoteVets.org is calling Limbaugh out.

I'm scared, and I didn't do anything! lol


Jon Soltz, Co-Founder and Chair of VoteVets.org, is a leader of the Iraq and Afghanistan Veterans community and is originally from Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania. From May to September 2003, Soltz served as a Captain during Operation Iraqi Freedom, deploying logistics convoys with the 1st Armored Division. During 2005, Soltz was mobilized for 365 days at Fort Dix New Jersey, training soldiers for combat in Afghanistan and Iraq. He also served his country with distinction in the Kosovo Campaign as a Tank Platoon Leader between June and December 2000. Soltz is a graduate of Washington & Jefferson College with dual degree in Political Science and History. He has completed graduate work at the University of Pittsburgh Graduate School of Public and International Affairs.

Jon Soltz has quickly become one of the most authoritative voices on veterans issues and military issues. He has been interviewed by national outlets such as the Associated Press, Washington Post, New York Times, Los Angeles Times, TIME, Newsweek, among others, and in dozens of local outlets. He has made numerous media appearances including Jim Lehrer’s Newshour on PBS, CNN. MSNBC, FOX News and ABC News and Nightline, and national radio programs including Air America Radio, the Ed Schultz Show, the Bill Press Show, Alan Colmes Show, and Mancow in the Morning. Jon is a frequent contributor to Countdown with Keith Olbermann.

You can view clips of Soltz’s media appearances at the VoteVets.org YouTube page, at

http://www.youtube.com/votevets


Jon Soltz
So I'm a "Phony Soldier," Rush?

Posted September 27, 2007 | 03:07 PM (EST)

As Media Matters reported today, Rush Limbaugh, on his show said that those troops who come home and want to get America out of the middle of the religious civil war in Iraq are "phony soldiers." I'd love for you, Rush, to have me on your show and tell that to me to my face.

Where to begin?

First, in what universe is a guy who never served even close to being qualified to judge those who have worn the uniform? Rush Limbaugh has never worn a uniform in his life -- not even one at Mickey D's -- and somehow he's got the moral standing to pass judgment on the men and women who risked their lives for this nation, and his right to blather smears on the airwaves?

Second, maybe Rush doesn't much care, but the majority of troops on the ground in Iraq, and those who have returned, do not back the President's failed policy. If you go to our "Did You Get the Memo" page at VoteVets.org, there's a good collection of stories, polls, and surveys, which all show American's troops believe we are on the wrong track, not the right one, in Iraq.

Does Rush believe, then, that the majority of the US Armed Forces are "phony?"

Third, the polls and stories don't even take into account the former brass who commanded in Iraq, who are incredibly critical of the Bush administration, and it's steadfast refusal to listen to those commanders on the ground who have sent up warning after warning. Major Generals John Batiste and Paul Eaton left the military and joined VoteVets.org for that very reason.

Does Rush believe that highly decorated Major Generals are "phony soldiers?"

Finally, as Media Matters notes, just recently, members of the 82nd Airborne in Iraq wrote a New York Times op-ed, very critical of the course in Iraq, and suggesting it was time to figure out the exit strategy. Two of them just died. Will Rush call up their grieving parents and tell them that they should stop crying, because they were just "phony soldiers?"

Get the point here, Rush?

You weren't just flat out wrong, you offended a majority of those of us who actually had the courage to go to Iraq and serve, while you sat back in your nice studio, coming up with crap like this.

My challenge to you, then, is to have me on the show and say all of this again, right to the face of someone who served in Iraq. I'll come on any day, any time. Not only will I once again explain why your comments were so wrong, but I will completely school you on why your refusal to seek a way out of Iraq is only aiding al Qaeda and crippling American security.

Ball's in your court.
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[Elrathin]

You weren't just flat out wrong, you offended a majority of those of us who actually had the courage to go to Iraq and serve, while you sat back in your nice studio, coming up with crap like this.

My challenge to you, then, is to have me on the show and say all of this again, right to the face of someone who served in Iraq. I'll come on any day, any time. Not only will I once again explain why your comments were so wrong, but I will completely school you on why your refusal to seek a way out of Iraq is only aiding al Qaeda and crippling American security.

Ball's in your court.


Buy this man a Beer he is SPOT ON! :thumbsup::clapper:

[Kyi Yo]

Here's Rush again, calling a veteran a "staff puke hiding behind his uniform", "joined the army to pad his resume".


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZFrCXUOfz8A


Here's VoteVet's response to Rush

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=drnQ5Pvc6nE

[ECW]

Limbaugh won't have Soltz on his show because Soltz will hand him his fat ass on a platter. Limbaugh only likes it when he can take advantage of other people not when the ground is level and the outcome isn't predetermined. Just like Billo, Limbaugh gets away with his crap because he is a money cow and he makes lots of cash for his corporate masters. There are plenty of methane breathers out there who buy into his racist, hate-filled lineofshit and they love it when he comes out and says something they don't have the courage to.

[ViolaLee]

These right wing assholes are too much. Who can listen to their lies and smears? I don't get it.

Good vids Kyi Yo. Unbelievable.

[preservanation]

I am Soooo Glad that you brought this up.
Not surprising, since the media, dems and some on this site take their marching orders from mediamatters without regards to fact or the truth. Rush was referring to Jesse Macbeth, a liar and phony soldier. I think the description is accurate. The left props up this guy because they have to to further their agenda. That they have to hitch their wagon to this scum speaks volumes as to what kind of people they are.
When their ideas fail out come the lies, distortions and smears.
Here is what was really said....if any of you care.
RUSH: The phony soldiers.

CALLER: The phony soldiers. If you talk to any real soldier and they're proud to serve, they want to be over in Iraq, they understand their sacrifice and they're willing to sacrifice for the country.

RUSH: They joined to be in Iraq.

RUSH: It's frustrating and maddening, and why they must be kept in the minority. I want to thank you, Mike, for calling. I appreciate it very much.

Here is a Morning Update that we did recently, talking about fake soldiers. This is a story of who the left props up as heroes. They have their celebrities and one of them was Army Ranger Jesse MacBeth. Now, he was a "corporal." I say in quotes. Twenty-three years old. What made Jesse MacBeth a hero to the anti-war crowd wasn't his Purple Heart; it wasn't his being affiliated with post-traumatic stress disorder from tours in Afghanistan and Iraq. No. What made Jesse MacBeth, Army Ranger, a hero to the left was his courage, in their view, off the battlefield, without regard to consequences. He told the world the abuses he had witnessed in Iraq, American soldiers killing unarmed civilians, hundreds of men, women, even children. In one gruesome account, translated into Arabic and spread widely across the Internet, Army Ranger Jesse MacBeth describes the horrors this way: "We would burn their bodies. We would hang their bodies from the rafters in the mosque."


Now, recently, Jesse MacBeth, poster boy for the anti-war left, had his day in court. And you know what? He was sentenced to five months in jail and three years probation for falsifying a Department of Veterans Affairs claim and his Army discharge record. He was in the Army. Jesse MacBeth was in the Army, folks, briefly. Forty-four days before he washed out of boot camp. Jesse MacBeth isn't an Army Ranger, never was. He isn't a corporal, never was. He never won the Purple Heart, and he was never in combat to witness the horrors he claimed to have seen. You probably haven't even heard about this. And, if you have, you haven't heard much about it. This doesn't fit the narrative and the template in the Drive-By Media and the Democrat Party as to who is a genuine war hero. Don't look for any retractions, by the way. Not from the anti-war left, the anti-military Drive-By Media, or the Arabic websites that spread Jesse MacBeth's lies about our troops, because the truth for the left is fiction that serves their purpose. They have to lie about such atrocities because they can't find any that fit the template of the way they see the US military. In other words, for the American anti-war left, the greatest inconvenience they face is the truth.
The next day, after all of the lib dems ran with the lies from the Soros groups....He nails it per usual and outlines the anatomy of a smear of which the left is expert.RUSH: That was the transcript from yesterday's program, talking about one phony soldier. The truth for the left is fiction that serves their purpose, which is exactly the way the website, Media Matters, generated this story, fiction, out of context, did so knowingly. What is amazing is that after all of the examples of how this organization is simply a Democrat Party Hillary Clinton front group; how they constantly do this; how they take things out of context and embarrass themselves and get things wrong; they still have credible so-called journalists and others, members of Congress, Democrat Party, who treat what they say as gospel. Not one member of the media, not one congressman, nobody has called our office to ask, "Did you really say this? And what did you mean by it?" The reason this does not work, ladies and gentlemen, is that I have a 19-and-a-half-year record on this program of being one of the most devoted supporters of US military personnel in uniform that there is.

The effort here is simply to discredit people that they consider effective and powerful on the right ginning up, leading up into the '08 elections. They cannot beat us in the arena of ideas. They cannot challenge what we say and refute it and come out on top, so this is the anatomy of a smear.
Please understand that we see through the dem's masks and their dishonest ways to discredit their opponents should worry all Americans. You could be next.
RUSH: So we have John Kerry insulting soldiers all over the place. His own troops who served with him said that he lied about things that he accomplished. He insulted the intelligence of the troops. We all know what they did to General Petraeus with the MoveOn.org ad, we know what members of Congress said to General Petraeus, calling him a liar before he even opened his mouth and before they had even read the report that they demanded be issued about the surge back on the 15th of September. What's going on here is their attempt to deflect attention away from themselves and the same issue, because they have eaten it big time on the Petraeus ad in the New York Times. None of it worked out the way they intended. They have blow-black that they didn't figure out. So now it's time for them to try to point out that somebody like me is insulting the troops -- as any of you who listen to this program regularly know has not happened and never would happen. Here's congressional reaction, Senate reaction. Last night on some MSNBC show, Jim Webb was run out in the hallway. Question: "Yesterday, in his radio program, Rush Limbaugh called service members who advocate US withdrawal from Iraq 'phony soldiers.' You want to respond to that?"

WEBB: I really regret Mr. Limbaugh saying things like that. You know, we have, uh, political diversity inside the military just like we do in the country. If you look at the -- I believe it was the six [sic--seven] soldiers, uh, who wrote with honor the piece for the New York Times not long ago, I think three [sic--two] of them, uh, now died. [truck accident] Uh, I think, uh, Mr. Limbaugh have to, uh, take a look at -- at that sort of reality. I really react strongly when people politicize the service of our military people.

RUSH: What an absolute lunatic joke to make, after the way General Petraeus was just treated! Politicize the military? Mr. Webb stepped in it. You put a bag of manure in front of a liberal Democrat and they are sure to step in it. He just assumed that what he was told was true, that I called anti-war troops "phony soldiers," when everybody involved in this knows full well I was talking about one genuine convicted, lying, fake soldier, who was undermining this mission, who was doing his best to demoralize the troops. I stand up for the troops! The Democrat Party has been trying to demoralize them. The Democrat Party has been trying to lose the Iraq war, the war on terror. They own defeat. They are invested in it. They have failed to hang defeat around the neck of this president, and the presidency that they've been trying to destroy. They have now really upset their fringe base by all of the top-tier candidates in Wednesday's debate saying, "There's no way I'm going to pull troops out of there before 2013." They are beside themselves now, and so they choose to come after me in an unprovoked and totally out-of-context fashion. It is I who am owed an apology here. Let's go to the floor of the House. A portion of remarks made by Illinois Democrat Jan Schakowsky.

SCHAKOWSKY: Well, Rush Limbaugh is at it again. Unable to defend an indefensible war in Iraq, he's once again resorted to sliming the messenger. In this case, unbelievably, the messenger he's going after are the brave men and women who have served their country in Iraq, Afghanistan, and other wars. Men and women who serve in Iraq differ from Rush Limbaugh in two critical ways. First, unlike Mr. Limbaugh, they actually served in the military. Second, unlike Mr. Limbaugh, they understand that the war in Iraq is making our country less safe and destroying the military.

RUSH: Do these people understand what fools they sound like to anybody who knows the truth about all of this? They haven't the slightest idea how foolish they sound; they don't care. Folks, I do not need, nor do you, lectures from liberals, Democrats, Drive-By Media people on whether or not they served in the military about supporting our troops. It is they who are undermining the troops, smearing the troops, endangering them every damn day -- and they know it, and they have done it purposefully! They are undermining the war effort. They want to be called patriots for doing it. Same on selecting Jim Webb! Shame on John Kerry! Shame on them! They should be speaking out for our soldiers, not throwing in with the anti-war MoveOn.org crowd. They cannot have it both ways, not on this program. There are 170,000 soldiers in Iraq. The least we can do here at home is support them, and on this program they have universal, total support. Here's more from Ms. Schakowsky from the floor of the House.

SCHAKOWSKY: How dare Rush Limbaugh label anyone who has served in the military as a quote "phony soldier," unquote? Could Rush Limbaugh actually face soldiers who have risked their lives and tell them that their beliefs don't matter? Let's pay attention to the 72% of American troops serving in Iraq who also think the US should exit the country within the next year, and more than one in four who say the troops should leave immediately, according to the Zogby poll. I guess they're all a bunch of phonies, according to Rush Limbaugh. Apparently, however, Mr. Limbaugh thinks they deserve to be smeared and belittled unless they happen to agree with him. I understand why Rush Limbaugh cannot debate this war on the merits, but bashing soldiers and veterans who disagree with him is unpatriotic and un-American.


RUSH: Of course, none of what she said is true. She's just ignorant, and I don't need to be lectured to by these people. But, you see, they have taken the occasion of this comment... They don't care whether it's true or not; they just launch on their soapbox. Do you know how much I got under their skin, folks, for them to take this to the floor of the houses? Tom Harkin has done this. Let's go back in time, shall we? Let's go back to April 22nd, 1971, John Kerry testifying before the Senate Foreign Relations Committee about Vietnam.

VIETNAM VETERAN JOHN KERRY 1971: They told the stories of times that they had personally raped, cut off the ears, cut off heads, taped wires from portable telephones to human genitals and turned off the power, cut off limbs, blown up bodies, randomly shot at civilians, razed villages in a fashion reminiscent of Jen-jiss Khan. Not isolated incidents, but crimes committed on a day-to-day basis with a full awareness at all levels of command.

RUSH: Lies! Senator Kerry was insulting and smearing members of the armed forces back in 1971, people he didn't even serve with and things that he didn't even see. Does the name Jesse MacBeth rise up again here in this discussion of phony soldiers? Here is John Kerry from December 4th, 2005.

KERRY 2005: [T]here is no reason, Bob, that young American soldiers need to be going into the homes of Iraqis in the dead of night, terrorizing kids and children, uh, uh, uh, you know, women, breaking sort of the customs of the -- of -- of -- of -- uh, historical customs, religious customs, whether you like it or not. Iraqis should be doing that.
RUSH: Oh, really? Who is insulting the troops here, folks? And who has a history of insulting of troops? Certainly not I. It is Senator Kerry who in that bite from December 4th, 2005, essentially called US troops terrorists, and said if any terrorism ought to be going on over there, the Iraqis ought to be doing it.
Let's go back to June 10th, 2005, the Senate floor, Dick Durbin.

DURBIN: If I read this to you and didn't tell you that it was an FBI agent describing what Americans had done to prisoners in their control, you would most certainly believe this must have happened by Nazis, Soviets in their Gulags, or some mad regime, Pol Pot or others, that had no concern for human beings. Sadly, that's not the case. This was the action of Americans in the treatment of our -- their -- own prisoners.
RUSH: And of course it was Senator Durbin who issued, then, a lame apology after the firestorm that his comments caused. Let's go back shortly, not long ago, September the 10th, when General Petraeus appeared before the House committee. Before he had said a word, before he uttered one word -- and this is the day, of course, the MoveOn.org ad came out, calling him "General Betray Us." Here's Congressman Tom Lantos lecturing a four-star general in dress uniform sitting before him.

LANTOS: The fact remains, gentlemen, that the administration has sent you here today to convince the members of these two committees and the Congress that victory is at hand. With all due respect to you, I must say, "I don't buy it."http://www.rushlimbaugh.com/home/daily/site_092807/content/01125106.member.html
Phony soldiers???
How about phony dems?
Oh, wait that's redundant

[Elrathin]

Sorry but Rush was talking about soldiers sthat were against the war being phony soldiers. No amount of spin can change that.

This is conservative spin control that happens every time they say something stupid. They try to pin it on an exact thing, when in reality they were talking about soldiers against the war in Iraq.

Preservation, I have respect for you, but let's highlight again what Rush said:

[quote]During the September 26 broadcast of his nationally syndicated radio show, Rush Limbaugh called service members who advocate U.S. withdrawal from Iraq “phony soldiers.” He made the comment while discussing with a caller a conversation he had with a previous caller, “Mike from Chicago,” who said he “used to be military,” and “believe[s] that we should pull out of Iraq.”

Limbaugh told the second caller, whom he identified as “Mike, this one from Olympia, Washington,” that “[t]here’s a lot” that people who favor U.S. withdrawal “don’t understand” and that when asked why the United States should pull out, their only answer is, ” ‘Well, we just gotta bring the troops home.’ … ‘Save the — keeps the troops safe’ or whatever,” adding, “[I]t’s not possible, intellectually, to follow these people.”

“Mike” from Olympia replied, “No, it’s not, and what’s really funny is, they never talk to real soldiers. They like to pull these soldiers that come up out of the blue and talk to the media.” Limbaugh interjected, “The phony soldiers.” The caller, who had earlier said, “I am a serving American military, in the Army,” agreed, replying, “The phony soldiers.”

He was talking about those soldiers against the war in Iraq talking to the media as being phony soldiers.

Limbauh is a joke and if some conservatives want to support what he said, fine, but it is illadvised. It would be the equivalent of a liberal supporting everything Sharpton says.

[preservanation]

I disagree, El,
He was referring to this particular soldier, Macbeth, and the "s" on the end of "soldier" which seems to be the crux of your point is IMO reference to the fact that this is not the first time Dems have used people who have lied about their service in order to give that individual legitimacy in the eyes of whoever.
When Kerry and Durbin etal speak of soldiers, they are including all soldiers.
Rush specifically was speaking about Macbeth.
When reading the transcript, which it seems you did, and thank you, I think that is clear.[hr]My point , and Rush's is that the media libs and politicians, do more than "cherry" pick their soldier spokesmen, it's more like "needle" picking out of the proverbial hay stack. When their source is proven to be a liar and phony, they discredit the people who bring the truth, not the actual liar, Macbeth.

[Elrathin]

Well I think we are going to have to agree to disagree on this one preservanation. I think Rush did intend his comments to be about ALL soldiers that are against the war.

IMO Rush is nothing more than a right-wing parrot whos only goal is to sling insults at those that disagree with him. He is no better than an Ann coulter and even less credible given his hypocrisy or doing one thing while saying another. He is a liar in many cases and others he is just a Partisan Hack. And before you go bringing up Sharpton and the usual liberal crew, I don't agree with their tactics more than often when they do it as well.

I even criticized Moveon not because what they said, but because they said it before he had a chance to testify.

[preservanation]

I disagree El, IMO he was not referring to all soldiers who oppose the war as phony, just Macbeth, as he succinctly explained. Then pointed out how others have attacked and impugned our troops over the years to point out the lies representing his statements and the truth of what the dems have said.

The troubling thing to me is that the media picked up on this from Mediamatters without checking the transcript or calling on Rush to explain, they just ran with it. The media is too willing to take the word of left wing agenda driven ideologues without any questions. This is worrisome.
But I do appreciate you comments.
Rush is much hated by the left, and for good reason.
They are very afraid of him.
He threatens their power and if they can silence him with accusations of racism, they will.
IMO. their charges are false, out of contrast and contrived by his enemies and his audience has been growing steadily by leaps and bounds for over 17 years.
If I were a lib, I'd be afraid of him too.

[BoogyMan]

It is pretty obvious that the context of that comment was the Jesse MacBeth debacle that the left is running from as quickly as they can. Reading the actual transcript proves the "phony soldiers" comment was definately in regard to MacBeth. I am not a big Rush fan, he gets on my nerves pretty quickly, but this is an entirely faked outrage based upon an intention misrepresentation of what was said.

[gpruitt54]

Well, Mr Ass Blister who dodged serving his country in VietNam is calling troops who oppose this war "phony soldiers"? What a set a grapefruits this drug-addicted scofflaw has on him. I wonder if his rightwing buddies in Congress who had plenty of outrage in their tanks over the MoveOn.org advertisement will utter even a peep about Rush Limbaugh's latest derogatory outburst or will they sit silently like good neocons and wait for the storm to pass?

I can state with absolute certainty that neither of my Senators from Texas will be heard from on this outrageous conduct by one of their firmest supporters. Senator Cornball and Senator Huckabuck fry only Democratic fish. Republican fish are caught and released.


How many of these big mouth, tough talking, do nothing, pencil neck, chicken hawk neo-cons actually have military records. These people want to dominate the world with the blood of everyone else’s kids except their own. These people are wasting the economic and military power of this country on their special little pet project called Iraq, soon to become Iran. There are words that describe these people and the damage they are doing to this great nation.

History will show these people for the frauds they are. These are not patriots to this nation, but rather devotees to some fascist idealism. One day the people of this nation will see through the smoke screen laid down by the neo-cons and know that their leadership is totally FUBAR.

[lily]

I thought Limbaugh was done being the water carrier for the Republicans? Shows how much I keep up.

[BoogyMan]

I don't see how exposing the likes of Jesse Macbeth is carrying water for the Republicans.

Edit: I found the video below where Limbaugh speaks about this topic.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rm84gOXkZaY

[ViolaLee]

Limbaugh said phoney soldierS. So he was talking about more than that one.

Right?

Are there more?

[BoogyMan]

Viola, you might be grasping a bit don't you think? Especially in light of the transcript of the show that was posted and the video where the topic is expressly discussed.

Using the "s" on the end of the word without regard to the usage of the word in context is quite reminiscent of the old "meaning of the word is" commentary.

I will again answer the commentary as there are other individuals with dubious military experience making claims. Consider Lauro Chavez in 2006 and now Jesse Macbeth.

Trying to make this house of cards stand on the strength of an S is well beneath your usual high standard of debate.

[ViolaLee]

:clapper: I have a high standard of debate! :thumbsup: Boogy says so! :peace:

Anyway, Limbaugh is a dope. So I take everything he says with a grain of salt. I haven't ever heard about any phoney soldiers before Limbaugh complained about them.

I've heard of lots of REAL soldiers and generals and captains etc...who have spoken out about the war in Iraq, and how it is making us less safe and not the real war on terror....so when Limbaugh mouths off about phoney soldiers, it's just reasonable to think he's talking about them.

But since I barely care what he says, this doesn't interest me much. So let me get out of this thread and find a more interesting one.

:love:

[BoogyMan]

I am not a big Limbaugh fan either, I just think he is getting a raw deal on this one.

[ViolaLee]

He's said so many other outlandish things that it's just time for him to be called out on something. Same with O'Reilly.

[ECW]

Limbaugh is getting the same deal he hands out to everyone else he doesn't agree with. That Jesse MacBeth crap is a dodge to cover his wart-blistered ass and make it look like he wasn't blasting soldiers who oppose the war and who came back and said so once they were finished serving. I listened to the part of the show where he said "phoney soldiers" and there wasn't a single reference to MacBeth or anyone else in that segment. You claim he was addressing the MacBeth issue but HE DID NOT SAY THAT and I, for one, am not going to try and read that tapeworm infested mind of his to try and catch every nuance or subtlety he wants to fall back upon when he gets called on his bullshit.

He's a lowlife, chickenhawk sonofabitch who didn't have the balls to serve when it was his turn and now he degrades every soldier that fought for our constitution and Bill of Rights who actually wants to use it in the way our Founding Fathers intended. Defending this neocon piece of crap puts you in his nest. Sorry, but I have more respect for our troops than that.

[preservanation]

He's a lowlife, chickenhawk sonofabitch who didn't have the balls to serve when it was his turn and now he degrades every soldier that fought for our constitution and Bill of Rights who actually wants to use it in the way our Founding Fathers intended. Defending this neocon piece of crap puts you in his nest. Sorry, but I have more respect for our troops than that. How in the world do you come to this conclusion, ECW?
Especially in the light of what Boogy and I posted.
Have you ever listened to Rush?

[BoogyMan]

ECW, I would be standing right beside you (without the profanity of course) if I thought for one moment that he was speaking of our real soldiers.

It is quite obvious, however, that Limbaugh was speaking of those like Macbeth (a guy who washed out of boot camp) who never were soldiers and are coming forward making dubious claims and being accepted by some on the left as a bearer of truth until they are exposed as phony.

The transcript of the actual show and the video point out pretty clearly, however, that he was indeed speaking of Macbeth. If you don't like the guy you don't like the guy, but this outrage is misplaced.

[Deadshot]

ECW, I would be standing right beside you (without the profanity of course) if I thought for one moment that he was speaking of our real soldiers.

It is quite obvious, however, that Limbaugh was speaking of those like Macbeth (a guy who washed out of boot camp) who never were soldiers and are coming forward making dubious claims and being accepted by some on the left as a bearer of truth until they are exposed as phony.

The transcript of the actual show and the video point out pretty clearly, however, that he was indeed speaking of Macbeth. If you don't like the guy you don't like the guy, but this outrage is misplaced.


Does Rush take the time and energy to go through the transcript and give people the benefit of the doubt on things? C'mon Boogy, you live by the sword you die by the sword. People are simply judging him on how he judges others.

Had you said what Limbaugh said, I'd agree with your statement above. But this was Rush who'll jump on anything at anytime for any reason. He doesn't deserve our pity.

BTW, are you ready for the Dr. Who finale? It's pretty good...

[preservanation]

Limbaugh on Solid Ground on 'Phony Soldiers'
House Democrats are apparently considering a resolution to castigate Rush Limbaugh for having the nerve to allege that there are 'phony soldiers' bragging about their exploits in Iraq. As long as they're at it, perhaps they'll actually denounce the phony soldiers. Fact is, there are thousands of 'phony soldiers' nationwide; the problem is so great that Congress passed legislation to crack down on the epidemic. Jesse MacBeth is just the tip of the iceberg.

Publications like the Army Times and Navy Times have written about phony veterans many times. A sample:



Justice Department officials in Washington state detailed Porter’s story, along with seven other people accused of — or already convicted of — being military frauds, during a news conference Friday on VA fakers.

“We take it seriously because this money is meant for veterans, not for fakers,” James O’Neill, assistant inspector general for the VA’s office of investigations, told Military Times.

“Every dollar that’s lost to a faker is one more dollar that can’t be spent on a veteran,” said O’Neill, whose office is responsible for rooting out those who defraud VA.

More from the same publication:


It’s not unheard of for Marines to embellish their service after leaving active duty or for civilians who’ve never served to pass themselves off as Marines. It’s happening all over the country this very minute...

Posers, in other words, are getting less ambitious. Among the dozen or so cases that have popped up so far this year — including five recent ones in this week’s issue — some are merely claiming to be a Marine, without all the battlefield exploits and mounds of chest candy. Those who do claim valor among their traits aren’t shooting for the Medal of Honor or service crosses. Fake Silver Star cases seem to be en vogue, as are phony Purple Hearts.When Limbaugh referenced 'phony soldiers,' he specifically cited the case of Jesse MacBeth. Liberal critics have laughably complained that he cited only one case while using the plural. Fact is, there are dozens and dozens on the public record, and it seems highly likely that there are thousands nationwide.http://influencepeddler.blogspot.com/2007/09/limbaugh-on-solid-ground-on-phony.html

Read more....arm yourself with knowledge!
http://www.pownetwork.org/phonies/phonies5.htm

There will always be fakers but the trick is to identify them and not take what they say seriously.
The Dems and the MSM failed miserably on both counts.

This is interesting too, if you want to read more about "phony soldiers" and fakers.
http://www.marinecorpstimes.com/news/2007/09/marine_faker_main_070916/

Those of you who bash Rush are free to do so,
but you do it at the expense of the facts.[hr]Maybe more importantly, even fewer citizens are aware that this organization is linked directly to Bill and Hillary Clinton, as well as billionaire leftist George Soros.
For some background, John Perazzo wrote a column for FrontPage Magazine in July entitled “Media Matters: Hillary’s Lap Dogs,” that should be must-reading for all citizens interested in who's targeting America’s leading conservative personalities:I won't post too much of this here, but please read the info on this site.
It is beyond fascinating and every American should know about this stuff before they pull the lever in November.
http://newsbusters.org/blogs/noel-sheppard/2007/09/30/group-behind-smear-campaigns-against-limbaugh-o-reilly
Established in May 2004, Media Matters identifies itself as “a Web-based, not-for-profit, 501(c)(3) progressive research and information center dedicated to comprehensively monitoring, analyzing, and correcting conservative misinformation in the U.S. media”—particularly information “that forwards the conservative agenda.” The organization was founded by the conservative-turned-leftist journalist David Brock, who says he created Media Matters “to combat” what he characterizes as the largely successful effort of “the right wing in this country” to “mov[e] the media itself to the right” and to “mov[e] American politics to the right.” [hr]I've just learned that Rep. Mark Udall (D-CO) will be introducing a resolution in the House of Representatives on Monday condemning Rush Limbaugh for his "phony soldiers" remark.

This is significant because it has the potential to dramatically up the stakes in this fight. If the Democratic leadership allows it to go for a vote, it will force all the Republicans in the House to either vote for it, against it, or skip the vote -- and to pass judgment on the powerful conservative talk show host's contention that troops who don't support President Bush's war policies are "phony soldiers."

It will also potentially present the Dem leadership with a not-so-easy choice. Many people will naturally call on the leadership to allow the resolution to come to a vote, which is not necessarily something the leadership might want, since it could look like a tit-for-tat reso in retaliation for the measure condemning MoveOn. It also is potentially problematic for some in the leadership because there is an internal sentiment that it's not Congress' job to go around denouncing the remarks, however reprehensible, of private citizens.
http://tpmelectioncentral.com/2007/09/exclusive_dem_rep_to_introduce_house_resolution_co ndemning_rush_limbaugh_on_monday.php

[Truth_and_Power]

mmkay well that's all well and good but there are plenty of REAL soldiers who are against this war. i know a few who will be breaking their democratic cherry because they're not willing to vote for a republican who might continue bush's legacy.

[BoogyMan]

mmkay well that's all well and good but there are plenty of REAL soldiers who are against this war. i know a few who will be breaking their democratic cherry because they're not willing to vote for a republican who might continue bush's legacy.


I don't think that has ever been questioned T&P.

[Deadshot]

...and when those soldiers pop their democratic cherry's, or (to continue the metaphor) simply stay home as virgins, giving niether side a shot, Rush will slam them.

Rush has got to fill hours of radio a week, as time goes on and we get closer and closer to a Democratic victory, Rush will fuck-it-up again.

Try to remember, Rush isn't a reporter or even an editor, he's a talk radio host and ratings, not truth matter.

[ECW]

He's a lowlife, chickenhawk sonofabitch who didn't have the balls to serve when it was his turn and now he degrades every soldier that fought for our constitution and Bill of Rights who actually wants to use it in the way our Founding Fathers intended. Defending this neocon piece of crap puts you in his nest. Sorry, but I have more respect for our troops than that. How in the world do you come to this conclusion, ECW?
Especially in the light of what Boogy and I posted.
Have you ever listened to Rush?


Oh, yeah, I've listened to the loud-mouthed windbag on more than one occasion. After listening to numerous character assassinations because he couldn't come up with the facts to counter charges that were made about an issue, after hearing him insult group after group after group because he refused to be tolerant of a differing point of view, after listening to him twist an event all out of proportion and then have to stumble around and backtrack after he was proven wrong, I quit listening to him because I realized that hate-filled, racist, bigots would always get more attention than everyone else, attention they neither deserve or are entitled to. He's a draft dodging liar who gets his nuts in the wringer about once a year for another bigoted or stupid thing he said. When it takes him ten years to apologize for an unwarranted attack he made upon upon the Clintons then he gets no consideration or wiggle room from me. The furor surrounding this incident couldn't happen to a nicer guy. </sarcasm>


ECW, I would be standing right beside you (without the profanity of course) if I thought for one moment that he was speaking of our real soldiers.

It is quite obvious, however, that Limbaugh was speaking of those like Macbeth (a guy who washed out of boot camp) who never were soldiers and are coming forward making dubious claims and being accepted by some on the left as a bearer of truth until they are exposed as phony.

The transcript of the actual show and the video point out pretty clearly, however, that he was indeed speaking of Macbeth. If you don't like the guy you don't like the guy, but this outrage is misplaced.


I don't like the guy, that much is pretty obvious. When I read the transcript I saw that he was making a direct reference to Mike from Chicago when he made his phony soldiers comment. He can backtrack and qualify his answers/responses all that he wants but the transcript is pretty clear to me. He was jumping Mike from Chicago's sh*t and got caught doing it. Neocon chickenhawks don't get a great deal of allowance to run afoul (pun intended) of society's conventions and courtesies. His implication about vets who speak out about this war is right there in black and white.

I got no problem in going after the liars who pretend they were vets or who tell war stories only to be discovered as frauds later on or who wear ribbons and honors they did not earn. That isn't the issue here as much as Rush would like it to be.

I did find it totally ironic that, in his defense, he takes Kerry's testimony out of context in the same way he claims his is taken out of context. Ain't that a bitch? MWHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

[Truth_and_Power]

mmkay well that's all well and good but there are plenty of REAL soldiers who are against this war. i know a few who will be breaking their democratic cherry because they're not willing to vote for a republican who might continue bush's legacy.


I don't think that has ever been questioned T&P.


This, to me, is just like the move-on thing. Rather than debate the issues, we will take issue with someone who has taken issue with someone who has stated a position on the war.

You see, it's kind of like that Kevin Bacon thing, you've got to get those degrees of seperation in there. It's like this
__________________
Bad: US Congress and/or president have to talk about the war & its progress

Degrees of seperation: 1
__________________
Good: US Congress and/or president talk about what a NGO said in an ad about a general who will/did talk about the war.
Degrees of seperation: 3
OR
US Congress and/or president talk about what the democratic party said about an AM radio guy who took issue with the credibility of someone who will/did talk about the war
Degrees of seperation: 4
__________________


If they make it to seven the bamboozled american public will no longer be able to even make the realization that they are, in essence, TALKING ABOUT THE WAR. You see the average american can only keep six things in their short term memory at any one time. So if you have seven degrees of seperation, they are no longer able to connect whoever is speaking to the war. Success!![hr]With these situations I am always reminded of the bruce lee quote from Enter the Dragon: "It is like a finger pointing at the moon; Do not look at the finger or you will miss all that heavenly glory". They are trying to make us look at the finger so that we don't notice that the moon is falling.

[BoogyMan]

Six degrees of short term memory? :D

[Deadshot]

T&P has a point though. Our society, and especially our media, care more about the messenger then the message.

MoveOn.org or Rush could anounce a cure to cancer and people would get pissed.

It is a little weird.

[preservanation]

He's a lowlife, chickenhawk sonofabitch who didn't have the balls to serve when it was his turn and now he degrades every soldier that fought for our constitution and Bill of Rights who actually wants to use it in the way our Founding Fathers intended. Defending this neocon piece of crap puts you in his nest. Sorry, but I have more respect for our troops than that. How in the world do you come to this conclusion, ECW?
Especially in the light of what Boogy and I posted.
Have you ever listened to Rush?


Oh, yeah, I've listened to the loud-mouthed windbag on more than one occasion. After listening to numerous character assassinations because he couldn't come up with the facts to counter charges that were made about an issue, after hearing him insult group after group after group because he refused to be tolerant of a differing point of view, after listening to him twist an event all out of proportion and then have to stumble around and backtrack after he was proven wrong, I quit listening to him because I realized that hate-filled, racist, bigots would always get more attention than everyone else, attention they neither deserve or are entitled to. He's a draft dodging liar who gets his nuts in the wringer about once a year for another bigoted or stupid thing he said. When it takes him ten years to apologize for an unwarranted attack he made upon upon the Clintons then he gets no consideration or wiggle room from me. The furor surrounding this incident couldn't happen to a nicer guy. </sarcasm>
Do you have ANY examples to back up your wild claims.
If you do I would be eager to debate them with you.
If not, oh well, I guess your opinion counts for something...
what that would be, I don't know.

[Deadshot]

In Missouri Rush Limbaugh made fun of Michael J. Fox's Parkinsons disease. Fox had made a commercial condoning stem cell research. Republican pollsters, as well as Democratic ones, stated that Rush's mockery of Fox's disease help to push through the Stem Cell Research measure, which only won by 50K votes.

The dude is an ass.

[preservanation]

In Missouri Rush Limbaugh made fun of Michael J. Fox's Parkinsons disease. Fox had made a commercial condoning stem cell research. Republican pollsters, as well as Democratic ones, stated that Rush's mockery of Fox's disease help to push through the Stem Cell Research measure, which only won by 50K votes.

The dude is an ass.
No he did not!
He was demonstrating how Fox appeared on the ad.
Fox admitted to not taking his meds so as to make a greater impact to the viewers.
It seemed important to the embryonic stem cell proponents that he appear that way. I have no problem with that the impact was much greater with him suffering the ravages of Parkinson's than if he was not. Good ad technique, it accomplishes more of an impact.
Rush pointed that fact out.
Rush's representation was accurate and pertinent to the debate, and Fox said so himself by agreeing to shoot the ad in his unmediated condition.
...Next!

[Deadshot]

In Missouri Rush Limbaugh made fun of Michael J. Fox's Parkinsons disease. Fox had made a commercial condoning stem cell research. Republican pollsters, as well as Democratic ones, stated that Rush's mockery of Fox's disease help to push through the Stem Cell Research measure, which only won by 50K votes.

The dude is an ass.
No he did not!
He was demonstrating how Fox appeared on the ad.

And in said demostration he made fun of Fox. If you were to mimic someone, say Stephen Hawking, and twist yourself in your chair and try and talk like his machine voice, you'd be making fun of him.

I'm over 10 years old, I don't need a "demonstration". For someone who makes his bread and butter with words, he didn't need to demonstrate anytyhing.

Fox admitted to not taking his meds so as to make a greater impact to the viewers.

Proof? I live in Missouri and many here said the same thing you did. Fox did more then a few interviews where he explained that taking medicine for Parkinson's follows a regime, to not take it could be life threatening. He simply stated that he made the add, not that he didn't take his medicine to make himself seem more pathetic. So, again, I ask for your proof. A source, not a Conservative pundits editorial.

Also, I'd like to point out that what Rush "demonstrated" and Fox lives with is a horrible disease that even were I to be off my meds I wouldn't want to live that way if a cure were possibly out there.

It seemed important to the embryonic stem cell proponents that he appear that way. I have no problem with that the impact was much greater with him suffering the ravages of Parkinson's than if he was not. Good ad technique, it accomplishes more of an impact.
Rush pointed that fact out.

No sir, you have missed the point. The day Rush's "demonstration" appeared, Fox, who is basically a Hollywood has been, and his add became the story and Rush handed the victory to the stem cell proponents. Rush's rush to judgement and making fun of someone handed the victory to us!

Rush's representation was accurate and pertinent to the debate, and Fox said so himself by agreeing to shoot the ad in his unmediated condition.
...Next!


Proof? Where is the exact quote where Fox "said so"? I ask because I don't believe that you will find one.

Also, why did Rush apologize? If accurate and pertinent, why say "I'm Sorry"? "Limbaugh commented on his October 26 show. He said "Okay. I need to apologize. I was wrong, because I speculated he either didn't take his medication, or he was acting - never said the word 'faking'..." That was from Wiki http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rush_limbaugh#_note-16...this is from the Washington post "Later Monday, still on the air, Limbaugh would apologize..."Newspaper article (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/10/24/AR2006102400691.html)

There's my evidence. Rush apologized, because what he did was wrong. How can he acknowledge it, but not you?

So don't move on to the next one just yet. Don't cut and run on me now...:madlaugh:

[preservanation]

Proof? Where is the exact quote where Fox "said so"? I ask because I don't believe that you will find one.

In an interview with Diane Sawyer, on May 17th, 2000 he explained not taking his medication before testifying.

FOX: I didn't take it deliberately as some kind of theatrical thing, but it seemed right for me to -- to be uncomfortable in that situation.
My point is that it was important to Fox that he appeared that way so it follows that it was important that Rush point out how he appeared in the ad.
Again, it was important to the proponents of the ES debate and to Fox that he appear that way.
What's wrong with Rush illustrating it. He was only doing them a favor by amplifying the impact of the ad.
Your outrage is unfounded.

FOX: The symptoms that I had in the ad that I did, that's called dyskinesia, and that's actually from too much medication.

RUSH: Okay, I need to apologize, I was wrong because I speculated either he didn't take his medication or he was acting. I never said the word faking. Now, if you people on the left want to equate acting with faking, I mean, go ahead, George Clooney would be a faker, all your favorite actors, we'll call them fakers. I never used the word. But I was wrong. He did take his medications. Now he took too much medication.

The point is, he did something differently to appear in this ad than when he appears on Boston Legal. And that was my first human reaction. "Whoa! I've never seen this. I have not seen this before." Now I gather, from the past three days, that we are to believe that this is the normal condition that poor Mr. Fox has to live with each and every day. That's the impression that they're leaving, is it not? That this is how his life is now, but he himself said he took too much medication. He didn't do that when he went on Boston Legal, but it happened for the taping of this ad. I think the reason for that is so you would really, really hate Republicans, because Republicans don't want to cure it. Jim Talent doesn't care. Michael Steele doesn't care. No one in the Republican Party cares. They don't want to cure these things. They're happy, in fact, to see people suffer like Mr. Fox is in this ad. http://www.rushlimbaugh.com/home/eibessential3/mjf0/mjf/102606/correcting_the_record_2.member.html
Fox seemed to say he didn't take them then said he took too much, doesn't matter. He "manipulated" his meds, too much too little, he purposely wanted to appear in that condition for "impact", and I don't blame him. The point is that he wished to appear that way.
Rush was right to point that out.

[Deadshot]

Proof? Where is the exact quote where Fox "said so"? I ask because I don't believe that you will find one.

In an interview with Diane Sawyer, on May 17th, 2000 he explained not taking his medication before testifying.

FOX: I didn't take it deliberately as some kind of theatrical thing, but it seemed right for me to -- to be uncomfortable in that situation.

Link please...one that everyone can see (see below for an explanation)

Without a link to the article, then you could be making this up. I want verifiable proof. Where da link?

My point is that it was important to Fox that he appeared that way so it follows that it was important that Rush point out how he appeared in the ad.

Then why not just talk about it, why "demonstrate" it? Rush hurt his arguement and himself.

Again, it was important to the proponents of the ES debate and to Fox that he appear that way.
What's wrong with Rush illustrating it. He was only doing them a favor by amplifying the impact of the ad.
Your outrage is unfounded.

My outrage, and that of others is what took Rush's action and firmed up the support for the ES. Preserve, do you actually believe that Rush's idea was for his antics to be a catalyst for the polar oppisite side of his posistion?

FOX: The symptoms that I had in the ad that I did, that's called dyskinesia, and that's actually from too much medication.

RUSH: Okay, I need to apologize, I was wrong because I speculated either he didn't take his medication or he was acting. I never said the word faking. Now, if you people on the left want to equate acting with faking, I mean, go ahead, George Clooney would be a faker, all your favorite actors, we'll call them fakers. I never used the word. But I was wrong. He did take his medications. Now he took too much medication.

The point is, he did something differently to appear in this ad than when he appears on Boston Legal. And that was my first human reaction. "Whoa! I've never seen this. I have not seen this before." Now I gather, from the past three days, that we are to believe that this is the normal condition that poor Mr. Fox has to live with each and every day. That's the impression that they're leaving, is it not? That this is how his life is now, but he himself said he took too much medication. He didn't do that when he went on Boston Legal, but it happened for the taping of this ad. I think the reason for that is so you would really, really hate Republicans, because Republicans don't want to cure it. Jim Talent doesn't care. Michael Steele doesn't care. No one in the Republican Party cares. They don't want to cure these things. They're happy, in fact, to see people suffer like Mr. Fox is in this ad. http://www.rushlimbaugh.com/home/eibessential3/mjf0/mjf/102606/correcting_the_record_2.member.html

I can't get to this site because (thank GOD) I'm not a member of the Rush Limbaush site. But even in this hollow apology, Mr. Limbaugh apologized. You do not apologize when you are right, you do so when you are wrong.

Hence, Rush FUBAR'd. :ecstatic:


Fox seemed to say he didn't take them then said he took too much, doesn't matter. He "manipulated" his meds, too much too little, he purposely wanted to appear in that condition for "impact", and I don't blame him. The point is that he wished to appear that way.
Rush was right to point that out.


Then point it out without making fun of him. The topic stopped being the meds, the disease, the actual debate or Fox instead it became Rush gyrating and making fun of someone with an illness. For the so-called "Smartest man on radio" to make that type of gaff calls both his intelligence and savior faire into question.

The measure won by 50K voters, that's it! The Democratic party actually sent Limbaugh a HUGE thank you card - I SIGNED IT!

He's all about ratings and thats it. When caught in his stupidity he re-writes history and gets all his little ditto-heads, like you, to follow along. Though I couldn't follow the link, I did notice that within it's title were the words "correcting the record..."

Preserve, Rush is a talk show radio host who lives on degrading and downplaying the other side. So when he screws up, which is rarely, expect the otherside to play it up.

[preservanation]

Preserve, Rush is a talk show radio host who lives on degrading and downplaying the other side. So when he screws up, which is rarely, expect the otherside to play it up.Oh, I expect it, sir, believe me!
And I understand how the libs want to bring him down, even if it means lying about Rush, or trying to "Imus" him.
I don't blame you he is a threat to the "entitled" power the libs think is their birth right.
If I had him exposing my lies and panting me at every turn, I would try to discredit him too, I guess.
The problem is that it's hard to discredit someone who has the truth on his side.
But keep trying if you want.[hr]Haaaaaa,
Harry Reid is now on the Senate Floor repeating all the false accusations and calling him UNPATRIOTIC.
OMG, this is great!
He is spouting the exact same thing in the same words as libs here and media matters!
No, there's no collusion!
What a crock!


Little does he know that he is further elevating Rush, who needs no elevation!

[preservanation]

Now Harken is doing the SAME thing.
How can they think they can get away with LYING about an American citizen like that?
HE never said what he is saying he said.
Un effing believable.
When this is all over they will owe Rush a HUGE apology.
The transcript is right here!
Why can't they read it.
IMO Rush has a defamation case, open and shut!

[Truth_and_Power]

LOL rush limbaugh suing for defamation. That's hillarious. So.. about that war..

[preservanation]

I'm still waiting for this huge laundry list of Rush's lies which the libs keep claiming is out there, and waiting, and waiting....

[Marley]

know a few who will be breaking their democratic cherry because they're not willing to vote for a republican who might continue bush's legacy.

(SNICKER)

I guess you missed that Democrat debate where none of the candidates would promise they would pull the troops out of Iraq during their entire first term huh?

I mean what an utterly stupid comment!

Bush is president, Bush, acting on bipartisan congrssional authorization sent the country's troops to Iraq, obviously, given the recent debate, the next president will in fact "continue bush's legacy!" LMAO



And I want to personally thank all the rabid frothing leftists participating in this thread documentong, on the record, their seething hatred that drives their politics!

Any doubt that western leftists are anything but hate filled is now removed! Thanks.

Tell you all hate-drenched lefties waht, you challenge that, and I;ll C&P your own words above, okay? I can't imagine better entertainment, so please, take the challenge!

[Truth_and_Power]

know a few who will be breaking their democratic cherry because they're not willing to vote for a republican who might continue bush's legacy.

(SNICKER)

I guess you missed that Democrat debate where none of the candidates would promise they would pull the troops out of Iraq during their entire first term huh?

I mean what an utterly stupid comment!


Care to revise your statement? (http://www.bestsyndication.com/?q=092707_dennis_kucinach_chriss_dobbs_will_pull_t roops_out.htm)

[preservanation]

Without looking....Biden did, right?

[Truth_and_Power]

Without looking...

I think that's been established.

[Pogo]

...and when those soldiers pop their democratic cherry's, or (to continue the metaphor) simply stay home as virgins, giving niether side a shot, Rush will slam them.

Rush has got to fill hours of radio a week, as time goes on and we get closer and closer to a Democratic victory, Rush will fuck-it-up again.

Try to remember, Rush isn't a reporter or even an editor, he's a talk radio host and ratings, not truth matter.

"Democratic victory"?

I've seen a few of those in my time and I can tell you from experience that they're oxymorons so far as the republic is concerned. All they amount to is a different set of hands reaching into the cookie jar. Whoopty doo! :unreal:

[preservanation]

Without looking...

I think that's been established.
Well, was I right?[hr] Democrat Senator Chris Dodd told Tim Russert at the Democrat debate Wednesday that he would get all US troops out of Iraq by the end of his first term, if elected President (see the video below). The three front runners, Clinton, Obama and Edwards would not make that promise. Dodd!
Damn, I knew it was one of those white haired ones.

[Marley]

LOL

Yeah, Biden and Dodd, that's it!

Great vehicles to keep your delusion coasting down the track!

Look, useful idiots (you know who you are!), it's 2007, going on 2008, you cast your votes way back in November 2006, how stupid do you have to be to keep believing Democrat lies? LMAO

[preservanation]

For those of you who have been waiting for Rush to apologize, your wait is over.
Here it is...RUSH: I want to apologize to all of the members of the United States Military, both in uniform and out, active duty and retired, for Media Matters for America. They will not apologize to you, and they will not apologize to me. I want to apologize to you on behalf of them. As all of you military personnel know, I, since of beginning of time and since the beginning of this program, certainly 19 years ago, have been one of the most ardent, loyal, in-awe supporters of any and all who wear the uniform -- including those who disagree with the mission. I found a couple of them when I was in Afghanistan on a troop visit. I went over to five base visits in Afghanistan, and did Q&A, sometimes for two hours with assembled troops at the various bases. Not all of them were happy with me in terms of my politics and so forth, but I told every damn one of them that I was in awe of them and that I wanted to come speak to them, and I purposely asked to go on this trip, and I'd been asking for a long time. This is the first time I've been granted permission. But I wanted to go on this trip because at the time this was all happening, Afghanistan had sort of cooled off and there wasn't much news coming out of there, but Iraq was roiling, and the news out of Iraq was -- well, you know what it was.

It was bad. "We can't win. We're losing, too many deaths," and all this sort of thing. I wanted to go tell them personally, as an American, how small of a minority those thoughts about them were, that there was love and respect and adoration for all who wear the uniform in this country, active duty or not, but I was specifically referring to people in combat zones of Iraq and Afghanistan. I stood up before them, and I said -- even to the ones who let it be known that they disagreed with me politically, not on the war, but politically -- they all wanted victory, and they all were doing their victory, and they all said they were there to protect their country. This is what they chose to do after 9/11 happened, and I stood before them and I said -- and there are a lot of people, by the way, who were thanking me and all of that. It ran the gamut. I said, "I don't care who you are. I stand before you, and I feel six inches tall. Compared to what you're doing, I'm just, you know, uttering words here. I just wanted to come convey support because you're not getting a whole lot of it in the mainstream media in our country, and the attitudes toward you of the American people are being misrepresented to you in droves."

I said, "When you get back and walk into most airports in this country, you are going to be given standing ovations and applause." Of course, the story coming out of Oakland -- and I guess there's some controversy about it, but -- apparently some Marines getting home, landing at Oakland, were spit on by people in the Oakland airport. Now, I haven't been able to confirm it, but it's on a couple blogs and apparently there are some witnesses that say that they did see it. The bottom line to all this... I've described to you that the visit I took to Washington to Walter Reed Army Hospital and the amputee rehabilitation unit. So many of these men and their wives were thanking me for what I'm doing. That makes me feel six inches tall as well. (In fact, Justice Thomas and I discussed this in the interview coming up that you will hear.) I said, "I'm just uttering words. You guys, look at you." No, no, no. They were upbeat and happy. One guy had lost both arms. He couldn't wait to get married six months down the road. He said, "Look, we all have our roles, man, and you keep doing what you're doing." The bottom line to all this is that last week, with this smear and this phony accusation regarding something I had not said about active duty military personnel, or even those who opposed the war, was that once again the integrity of the US Military was brought into question when the integrity of the sourcing group, Media Matters for America, should have been brought into question.

They're a Hillary Clinton front group. They will continue to be used as an accredited source by the Drive-By Media, despite the fact that they have now been demonstrated to make things up, take things out of context, and embarrass those who report what they say. They will continue to be a source, because this is the '08 playbook that we saw break down last week, and the Democrats may still introduce their resolution in the House castigating me. I don't know. The House doesn't go into session 'til two o'clock. We'll have to wait and see. I don't know if they will do that or not. If they do it, it is just an effort to try to portray themselves as pro-military because they know they have to because they know the impression they have accurately created is that they're not pro-military, from Jack Murtha to Harry Reid claiming defeat, to John Kerry's lifetime of criticism of the soldiers. So they're going to try to deflect the criticism away from their pet organization, MoveOn.org, whose "Betray Us" ad backfired totally on them. It was a Wellstone moment for them, as this will be. But since you will never get an apology from Jack Murtha for mischaracterizing you as murderers, since you'll never get an apology from John Kerry, since you won't get an apology from Media Matters for America or anybody that works there, to all of you in the US Military, I want to apologize to you for them for the, again, firestorm over something that did not happen regarding your valor and your commitment to freedom and democracy last week on this program. I really regret that it happened, and I apologize to you on their behalf since they won't.http://www.rushlimbaugh.com/home/daily/site_100107/content/01125111.member.html
Happy now?

[Elrathin]

Phony Apology, how fitting LOL.

The only thing I will say on Rush Limbauh's behalf is that congress has no business talking about him nor a stupid moveon.org ad. Stick to the REAL matters, not what Partisan Hacks say.

[lily]

That's an apology? Blame everything on someone else?:lmao:

This is his style of "reporting"

I said, "When you get back and walk into most airports in this country, you are going to be given standing ovations and applause." Of course, the story coming out of Oakland -- and I guess there's some controversy about it, but -- apparently some Marines getting home, landing at Oakland, were spit on by people in the Oakland airport. Now, I haven't been able to confirm it, but it's on a couple blogs and apparently there are some witnesses that say that they did see it.

[BoogyMan]

Sounds a lot like an anonymously sourced quote from IPS doesn't it lily? :madlaugh:

It was, as I read it, taken as a shot across the bow at Media Matters.[hr]You still wish to build an argument based on a plural tense of the word? Even in the same day's transcript Limbaugh referenced MacBeth and from what I have read online for the last few days he has been exposing those like MacBeth for quite a while.

I watched it, it showed me why I really don't like to listen to the guy, but it certainly doesn't prop up this house of cards on the strength of the letter "S."

[David Hume]

I disagree, El,
He was referring to this particular soldier, Macbeth, and the "s" on the end of "soldier" which seems to be the crux of your point is IMO reference to the fact that this is not the first time Dems have used people who have lied about their service in order to give that individual legitimacy in the eyes of whoever.
When Kerry and Durbin etal speak of soldiers, they are including all soldiers.
Rush specifically was speaking about Macbeth.
When reading the transcript, which it seems you did, and thank you, I think that is clear.[hr]My point , and Rush's is that the media libs and politicians, do more than "cherry" pick their soldier spokesmen, it's more like "needle" picking out of the proverbial hay stack. When their source is proven to be a liar and phony, they discredit the people who bring the truth, not the actual liar, Macbeth.


Note that first he generalized, then he mentioned one specific case. He even prefaced it as such. No amount of spin is gonna change the fact that your hero has stepped in some shit this time. Hopefully, the Senate will come through with their condemnation & rebuke in the next few days, just as they wasted time on a similar rebuke of MoveOn.[hr]
Viola, you might be grasping a bit don't you think? Especially in light of the transcript of the show that was posted and the video where the topic is expressly discussed.

Using the "s" on the end of the word without regard to the usage of the word in context is quite reminiscent of the old "meaning of the word is" commentary.

I will again answer the commentary as there are other individuals with dubious military experience making claims. Consider Lauro Chavez in 2006 and now Jesse Macbeth.

Trying to make this house of cards stand on the strength of an S is well beneath your usual high standard of debate.


And it's below your usual standard to confuse singular nouns with plural ones. ;)

[BoogyMan]

Viola, you might be grasping a bit don't you think? Especially in light of the transcript of the show that was posted and the video where the topic is expressly discussed.

Using the "s" on the end of the word without regard to the usage of the word in context is quite reminiscent of the old "meaning of the word is" commentary.

I will again answer the commentary as there are other individuals with dubious military experience making claims. Consider Lauro Chavez in 2006 and now Jesse Macbeth.

Trying to make this house of cards stand on the strength of an S is well beneath your usual high standard of debate.


And it's below your usual standard to confuse singular nouns with plural ones. ;)


LOL, good one David. Now address the FACT that MacBeth was addressed both in the transcript of the actual show AND the next day's rebuttal. :D

[preservanation]

Hume, you are ignoring the context, tenor and the actual transcript on purpose to make a partisan attack on someone who threatens the libs power.
It has to be purposeful, I do not believe you are that obtuse as to not see what is right in front of you.

The irony of this is that this lie was started by Mediamatters (Soros) and all the talking points to continue the attack in the face of incontrovertible evidence (the actual transcript) comes from mediamatters as well.
All the arguments I've heard are identical down to even the same words and terms. Like they were taken off a fax and are just being regurgitated as an insidious and organized effort.
I'm not surprised, it's just more stark and obvious than usual.
Time for you guys to get out the thesaurus and at least change some of it.
How embarrassing.

[Elrathin]

Hopefully, the Senate will come through with their condemnation & rebuke in the next few days, just as they wasted time on a similar rebuke of MoveOn.


You know, actually I hope they don't. I think it is silly for the senate to get involved in such trivial things as pundits expressing their free speech.

Do we not have enough going on in this country that we need to discuss shock jocks in the senate? What a waste of time.

I see your point at wanting them to do the same like they did with the moveon.org ad, but I'd rather not see them waste time like they did with the moveon shit.

[lily]

Note that first he generalized, then he mentioned one specific case. He even prefaced it as such. No amount of spin is gonna change the fact that your hero has stepped in some shit this time.
David........I wish you luck. No one has been able to make them see this. It was his spin the day after that they bring up.

Hopefully, the Senate will come through with their condemnation & rebuke in the next few days, just as they wasted time on a similar rebuke of MoveOn.

......and I'll demand a refund for that, just as I asked with the Repuplicans.





And it's below your usual standard to confuse singular nouns with plural ones. ;)

Words have meaning, don't you know?:lmao:

[ECW]

Do you have ANY examples to back up your wild claims.
If you do I would be eager to debate them with you.
If not, oh well, I guess your opinion counts for something...
what that would be, I don't know.


HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Opinions are like assholes. Everybody has one. Facts to go along with one's assertions are entirely another matter. I'll give you some examples of Limbaugh the Liar if you like.

16 Jan 1994
The Chicago Sun-Times quotes Rush as telling his listeners: "You know the Clintons send Chelsea to the Sidwell Friends private school... A recent eighth grade class assignment required students to write a paper on 'Why I Feel Guilty Being White.' ... My source for this story is CBS News. I am not making it up." CBS News denies ever reporting such a story. It also turns out that the Sidwell School (28% of whose student body is composed of minorities) never assigned any such essay, not even (as Rush later alleged) "Should White People Feel Guilty and Why?"

19 Jan 1994
Rush tells his television audience: "This (Iran-Contra special prosecutor Lawrence) Walsh story basically is: we just spent seven years and $40 million looking for any criminal activity on the part of anybody in the Reagan administration, and guess what? We couldn't find any. These guys didn't do anything, but we wish they had so that we could nail them. So instead, we're just going to say, 'Gosh, these are rotten guys.' They have absolutely no evidence. There is not one indictment. There is not one charge."

Proof that Limbaugh lied. (http://www.fas.org/irp/offdocs/walsh/summpros.htm)

7 Mar 2003 Limbaugh repeats as fact the unfounded and quite ludicrous claim that German Foreign Minister Joshka Fischer was a member of the Bader-Meinhof gang, also known as the Red Army Faction.

Another falsehood rebuked. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joschka_Fischer)

29 Apr 1994
Rush tells his listeners: "It has not been proven that nicotine is addictive, the same with cigarettes causing emphysema."

This one is so obvious I'm not going to even bring a citation.

A few racist remarks:

(CNN) -- Amid a storm of controversy over his racially charged comments on a weekend TV show, conservative commentator and radio talk show host Rush Limbaugh announced on Thursday that he had resigned from his post at ESPN.

Limbaugh said on Thursday he stepped down late Wednesday from the show "Sunday NFL Countdown" to protect the network from the uproar caused by his statement that Philadelphia Eagles quarterback Donovan McNabb was overrated because the media wanted to see a black quarterback succeed.

McNabb said Wednesday that he didn't mind criticism of his performance, but was upset that Limbaugh made his race an issue and said it was too late for an apology.

~link to the racist comment~ (http://www.cnn.com/2003/SHOWBIZ/10/02/limbaugh/)

Speculating as to how a Mexican won the New York marathon: "An immigration agent chased him for the last 10 miles."

and

"If we are going to start rewarding no skills and stupid people--I'm serious, let the unskilled jobs, let the kinds of jobs that take absolutely no knowledge whatsoever to do--let stupid and unskilled Mexicans do that work."

~racism as joke material~ (http://www.rotten.com/library/bio/entertainers/pundits/rush-limbaugh/)

All around stupid comments that were easily diproven:

23 Feb 1994
"I think this reason why girls don't do well on multiple choice tests goes all the way back to the Bible, all the way back to Genesis, Adam and Eve. God said 'All right, Eve, multiple choice or multiple orgasms, what's it going to be?' We all know what was chosen." (from his own TV show.)

6 May 2004
Radio commentator Rush Limbaugh dismisses the photos taken of naked prisoners at Abu Ghraib prison, saying: "This is no different than what happens at the Skull and Bones initiation."

23 Oct 2006
On his radio show, Rush Limbaugh decries a Democratic political ad featuring a Parkinson's-stricken Michael J. Fox: "He is moving all around, and shaking, and it's purely an act. This is the only time I have ever seen Michael J. Fox portray any of the symptoms of the disease he has. [...] This is really shameless, folks. This is really shameless of Michael J. Fox. Either he didn't take his medication, or he's acting. One of the two."

Finally, the hypocrisy of a drug-addicted liar:

23 Sep 1993
"He says that, 'I know every expert in the world will disagree with me, but I don't buy into the disease part of drug abuse. The first time you reach for a substance you are making a choice. Every time you go back, you're making a personal choice. I feel very strongly about that.' What he's saying is, that if there's a line of cocaine here, I have to make the choice to go down and sniff it. And I don't know how -- how to do it, but if I was going to do it, I'd do it. If there were a gun here, it wouldn't fire itself. I've got to reach for it and -- and pull the trigger. And his point is, that we are rationalizing all this irresponsibility and all the choices people are making and we're blaming not them, but society for it. All these Hollywood celebrities say the reason they're weird and bizarre is because they were abused by their parents. So we're going to pay for that kind of rehab, too, and we shouldn't. It's not our responsibility."

9 Dec 1993
"If [Surgeon General Jocelyn Elders] wants to legalize drugs, send the people who want to do drugs to London and Zurich, and let's be rid of them." Rush Limbaugh, admitted drug addict, inexplicably still lives in America.

6 Dec 1994
On his daily radio show, conservative pundit Rush Limbaugh declares: "We have alcoholics and drug addicts in our society, don't we? And what do we say about them? 'Well, they can't help it. Why, it's genetic. Why, they have a disease. Why, put one thimbleful of scotch in front of them and they can die.' We totally exempt them from any control over their lives, do we not? Some athlete will spend two years snorting lines of coke. 'He can't help it. You know, it's -- it's just -- it's not -- it's -- it's genetic. These people -- they're predisposed to having this addictive syndrome. They -- they can't help.' Yeah, like that line of cocaine just happened to march into the hotel, go up to the athlete's room and put itself right there in front of him on his blotter."

5 Oct 1995
"What this says to me is that too many whites are getting away with drug use. Too many whites are getting away with drug sales. Too many whites are getting away with trafficking in this stuff. The answer to this disparity is not to start letting people out of jail because we're not putting others in jail who are breaking the law. The answer is to go out and find the ones who are getting away with it, convict them and send them up the river, too."

10 Oct 2003
To radio audience: "I am addicted to pain medication."

17 Nov 2003
Rush Limbaugh returns to the air after a well-publicized monthlong rehab.

link (http://www.rotten.com/library/bio/entertainers/pundits/rush-limbaugh/)

That's just a beginning. I could tap into Al Franken's book about the fat liar but it would just be too overwhelming for you. I could cite other sources for you as well because Google is just overflowing with websites where his lies are rebuked on a regular basis.

Just a helpful hint for the future: I don't dump on an asshole lying sack of shit like Limbaugh without a reason and I never come to a debate with just opinions like some posters on this site are wont to do.

Limbaugh got caught blasting Mike from Chicago as a phony soldier and, as an afterthought, tried to tie it to Jesse MacBeth. He's getting the media attention he deserves for being the consumate piece of crap he is. Karma is a bitch.

[Trish]

Doesn't anyone ever bother to check things out for themselves? Why do people blithely swallow everything they read in a newspaper or hear on t.v.? Do people really believe that everything they read and hear is the unvarnished truth reported without personal bias or agenda?

I don't listen to Limbaugh, never have and likely never will. I find the man entirely too loud and abrasive for my tastes. But after hearing about this and reading about this supposed scandal, I went to his website and tried to access the tape. I couldn't of course, as I'm not a subscriber. As much as I do not like the man, I wasn't willing to just accept whatever had been said he'd said without checking it out first. From what I HAVE heard in bits and pieces, the man is getting the shaft. But that's okay, right? It's okay for the people we agree with to slander, besmirch, and lie about the people we don't like. It's only wrong if someone does that to the people we do like!

I like Winston Churchill's quote about truth..."A lie gets halfway around the world before the truth has a chance to get its pants on." In this era of instant everything, a lie gets around the world 10 times before the truth can raise its head from the pillow much less get its pants on. As long as it's about someone we don't like, heck, forget about ethics, forget about fairplay, forget about common decency; let's help send that lie around the world 10 more times! We deplore such tactics used against us or the people we like or whose causes we support, but if the shoe's on the other foot, well let's just get down in the muck and roll. Truth and fair play only count when it's our asses on the line. Everyone else's ass is fair game - Right?

[preservanation]

Do you have ANY examples to back up your wild claims.
If you do I would be eager to debate them with you.
If not, oh well, I guess your opinion counts for something...
what that would be, I don't know.


HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Opinions are like assholes. Everybody has one. Facts to go along with one's assertions are entirely another matter. I'll give you some examples of Limbaugh the Liar if you like.

16 Jan 1994
The Chicago Sun-Times quotes Rush as telling his listeners: "You know the Clintons send Chelsea to the Sidwell Friends private school... A recent eighth grade class assignment required students to write a paper on 'Why I Feel Guilty Being White.' ... My source for this story is CBS News. I am not making it up." CBS News denies ever reporting such a story. It also turns out that the Sidwell School (28% of whose student body is composed of minorities) never assigned any such essay, not even (as Rush later alleged) "Should White People Feel Guilty and Why?"

19 Jan 1994
Rush tells his television audience: "This (Iran-Contra special prosecutor Lawrence) Walsh story basically is: we just spent seven years and $40 million looking for any criminal activity on the part of anybody in the Reagan administration, and guess what? We couldn't find any. These guys didn't do anything, but we wish they had so that we could nail them. So instead, we're just going to say, 'Gosh, these are rotten guys.' They have absolutely no evidence. There is not one indictment. There is not one charge."

Proof that Limbaugh lied. (http://www.fas.org/irp/offdocs/walsh/summpros.htm)

7 Mar 2003 Limbaugh repeats as fact the unfounded and quite ludicrous claim that German Foreign Minister Joshka Fischer was a member of the Bader-Meinhof gang, also known as the Red Army Faction.

Another falsehood rebuked. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joschka_Fischer)

29 Apr 1994
Rush tells his listeners: "It has not been proven that nicotine is addictive, the same with cigarettes causing emphysema."

This one is so obvious I'm not going to even bring a citation.

A few racist remarks:

(CNN) -- Amid a storm of controversy over his racially charged comments on a weekend TV show, conservative commentator and radio talk show host Rush Limbaugh announced on Thursday that he had resigned from his post at ESPN.

Limbaugh said on Thursday he stepped down late Wednesday from the show "Sunday NFL Countdown" to protect the network from the uproar caused by his statement that Philadelphia Eagles quarterback Donovan McNabb was overrated because the media wanted to see a black quarterback succeed.

McNabb said Wednesday that he didn't mind criticism of his performance, but was upset that Limbaugh made his race an issue and said it was too late for an apology.

~link to the racist comment~ (http://www.cnn.com/2003/SHOWBIZ/10/02/limbaugh/)

Speculating as to how a Mexican won the New York marathon: "An immigration agent chased him for the last 10 miles."

and

"If we are going to start rewarding no skills and stupid people--I'm serious, let the unskilled jobs, let the kinds of jobs that take absolutely no knowledge whatsoever to do--let stupid and unskilled Mexicans do that work."

~racism as joke material~ (http://www.rotten.com/library/bio/entertainers/pundits/rush-limbaugh/)

All around stupid comments that were easily diproven:

23 Feb 1994
"I think this reason why girls don't do well on multiple choice tests goes all the way back to the Bible, all the way back to Genesis, Adam and Eve. God said 'All right, Eve, multiple choice or multiple orgasms, what's it going to be?' We all know what was chosen." (from his own TV show.)

6 May 2004
Radio commentator Rush Limbaugh dismisses the photos taken of naked prisoners at Abu Ghraib prison, saying: "This is no different than what happens at the Skull and Bones initiation."

23 Oct 2006
On his radio show, Rush Limbaugh decries a Democratic political ad featuring a Parkinson's-stricken Michael J. Fox: "He is moving all around, and shaking, and it's purely an act. This is the only time I have ever seen Michael J. Fox portray any of the symptoms of the disease he has. [...] This is really shameless, folks. This is really shameless of Michael J. Fox. Either he didn't take his medication, or he's acting. One of the two."

Finally, the hypocrisy of a drug-addicted liar:

23 Sep 1993
"He says that, 'I know every expert in the world will disagree with me, but I don't buy into the disease part of drug abuse. The first time you reach for a substance you are making a choice. Every time you go back, you're making a personal choice. I feel very strongly about that.' What he's saying is, that if there's a line of cocaine here, I have to make the choice to go down and sniff it. And I don't know how -- how to do it, but if I was going to do it, I'd do it. If there were a gun here, it wouldn't fire itself. I've got to reach for it and -- and pull the trigger. And his point is, that we are rationalizing all this irresponsibility and all the choices people are making and we're blaming not them, but society for it. All these Hollywood celebrities say the reason they're weird and bizarre is because they were abused by their parents. So we're going to pay for that kind of rehab, too, and we shouldn't. It's not our responsibility."

9 Dec 1993
"If [Surgeon General Jocelyn Elders] wants to legalize drugs, send the people who want to do drugs to London and Zurich, and let's be rid of them." Rush Limbaugh, admitted drug addict, inexplicably still lives in America.

6 Dec 1994
On his daily radio show, conservative pundit Rush Limbaugh declares: "We have alcoholics and drug addicts in our society, don't we? And what do we say about them? 'Well, they can't help it. Why, it's genetic. Why, they have a disease. Why, put one thimbleful of scotch in front of them and they can die.' We totally exempt them from any control over their lives, do we not? Some athlete will spend two years snorting lines of coke. 'He can't help it. You know, it's -- it's just -- it's not -- it's -- it's genetic. These people -- they're predisposed to having this addictive syndrome. They -- they can't help.' Yeah, like that line of cocaine just happened to march into the hotel, go up to the athlete's room and put itself right there in front of him on his blotter."

5 Oct 1995
"What this says to me is that too many whites are getting away with drug use. Too many whites are getting away with drug sales. Too many whites are getting away with trafficking in this stuff. The answer to this disparity is not to start letting people out of jail because we're not putting others in jail who are breaking the law. The answer is to go out and find the ones who are getting away with it, convict them and send them up the river, too."

10 Oct 2003
To radio audience: "I am addicted to pain medication."

17 Nov 2003
Rush Limbaugh returns to the air after a well-publicized monthlong rehab.

link (http://www.rotten.com/library/bio/entertainers/pundits/rush-limbaugh/)

That's just a beginning. I could tap into Al Franken's book about the fat liar but it would just be too overwhelming for you. I could cite other sources for you as well because Google is just overflowing with websites where his lies are rebuked on a regular basis.

Just a helpful hint for the future: I don't dump on an asshole lying sack of shit like Limbaugh without a reason and I never come to a debate with just opinions like some posters on this site are wont to do.

Limbaugh got caught blasting Mike from Chicago as a phony soldier and, as an afterthought, tried to tie it to Jesse MacBeth. He's getting the media attention he deserves for being the consumate piece of crap he is. Karma is a bitch.

That's it?
What a waste of time. Your opinion that what he said is racist is just because of who he is.
Would you call all others who discuss race and have said similar things to engage in meaningful discourse racists too. Somehow I doubt it.
Now back to the substantive lies.
REID: Rush Limbaugh took it upon himself to attack the courage and character of those fighting and dying for him and for all of us. Rush Limbaugh got himself a deferment from serving when he was a young man. He never served in uniform. He never saw in person the extreme difficulty of maintaining peace in a foreign country engaged in a civil war. He never saw a person in combat. Yet he thinks that his opinion on the war is worth more than those who have been on the front lines. And what's worse, Limbaugh's show is broadcast on Armed Forces Radio, which means that thousands of troops, overseas, and veterans here at home, were forced to hear this attack on their patriotism. Rush Limbaugh owes the men and women of our armed forces an apology.He couldn't have read the transcript. They are taking what Mediamatters says as the unvarnished truth, anyone knows they are not an unbiased or reliable source. This is not only odd, but scary. These people are supposed to be smart. This sort of stuff certainly belies that.
Harkin chimed in as well.
and called Rush unpatriotic!
This is ridiculous on its' face. As all who follow politics know, this is the exact opposite of what he has been accused of and faulted for in the past...A flag-waving super-patriot who is nothing more than a high-paid cheerleader for America. Which is it?
IMO this is all a petty and childish payback for the Moveon ad that the dems refused to denounce, or felt that they were forced to .

It is beneath and quite unbecoming to a body which is supposed to be as austere as the US Senate.
Laughable.

I have a feeling that when this is all over these spiteful partisan prevaricators will have more than just egg on their face. It will be an entire omelet, avec bacon.

[BoogyMan]

The transcripts are available for everyone to see, the obvious dishonesty with which this is being approached is indicative of just how badly the left wing bomb tossers feel they need to score against Mr. Limbaugh.

Limbaugh in his own show that day tied the comment to MacBeth, many on the left who have claimed a desire for honesty and truth are now twisting his words to make it appear he condemned a group that wasn't even being considered in the conversation.

Limbaugh's attitude bugs me to bits, but I may have to start listening to him now just because of the sleazy tactics being used against the guy.

[Truth_and_Power]

So you guys don't think he was speaking about Mike from Chicago? I mean, I know he tied the comment to MacBeth. But you think he was NOT speaking about Mike from Chicago?

[ECW]

That's it?
What a waste of time. Your opinion that what he said is racist is just because of who he is.
Would you call all others who discuss race and have said similar things to engage in meaningful discourse racists too. Somehow I doubt it.

And what he is is a racist. Limbaugh's history of "jokes" and other off the wall comments show his true colors. Discussing race is one thing. Disparaging people for their skin color is quite another. Playing the race card is dispicable as well. It's one of the reasons that jerks like Tucker Carlson made such a fuss over Al Sharpton running for president because he fit right in with the rightwing and their race-baiting tactics.

I guess I should have known better than to figure you would actually do some real debating for once instead of the drive-by hits you have been fond of as of late. You seem to have a lot in common with another poster I have been dealing with recently who also says things like this:


If you do I would be eager to debate them with you.


but then finds a lame excuse to blow the "debate" off and then toodle on down the road.

REID: Rush Limbaugh took it upon himself to attack the courage and character of those fighting and dying for him and for all of us. Rush Limbaugh got himself a deferment from serving when he was a young man. He never served in uniform. He never saw in person the extreme difficulty of maintaining peace in a foreign country engaged in a civil war. He never saw a person in combat. Yet he thinks that his opinion on the war is worth more than those who have been on the front lines. And what's worse, Limbaugh's show is broadcast on Armed Forces Radio, which means that thousands of troops, overseas, and veterans here at home, were forced to hear this attack on their patriotism. Rush Limbaugh owes the men and women of our armed forces an apology.

Harry Reid got it right. Limbaugh's backtracking after the fact hides nothing. He was slamming Mike from Chicago for coming out against the war after serving his country. Limbaugh may love the troops but it's pretty clear that he only loves the ones who think like he does. Troops who actually stand up and think for themselves and don't buy into his lineocrap he brandishes as phoney.

I have a feeling that when this is all over these spiteful partisan prevaricators will have more than just egg on their face. It will be an entire omelet, avec bacon.

Sorry. I don't eat pork. Come back when you want to hold to your word.

[preservanation]

ECW, I disagree.
But I can't address you right now, I think there is a fly buzzing around my monitor.
I will get back to you.
Have patience Bubbula, patience.
Toodles.

[BoogyMan]

Harry Reid got it right. Limbaugh's backtracking after the fact hides nothing. He was slamming Mike from Chicago for coming out against the war after serving his country. Limbaugh may love the troops but it's pretty clear that he only loves the ones who think like he does. Troops who actually stand up and think for themselves and don't buy into his lineocrap he brandishes as phoney.

I have to disagree completely ECW, he was pretty clear in the course of his dialog the same day that it was MacBeth being considered by his commentary. Harry Reid simply wants to take a shot at Rush as do those who after having read the transcript continue to propagate the lies that his commentary was about anyone other than MacBeth and his dishonest ilk.

[preservanation]

ECW WROTE:And what he is is a racist. Limbaugh's history of "jokes" and other off the wall comments show his true colors. Discussing race is one thing. Disparaging people for their skin color is quite another. Playing the race card is dispicable as well. It's one of the reasons that jerks like Tucker Carlson made such a fuss over Al Sharpton running for president because he fit right in with the rightwing and their race-baiting tactics.
After I shooed the fly, I see that your concerns have no substance.
Imagine my shock and surprise. Disparaging people for their skin color is quite another examples please, and if McNab comes up, which is on the tip of your fingers, forget about it. And I have the transcripts to show you.
BTW Irvin reiterated the same point as Rush when he said the media was propping McNab up because he is black.

Secondly...and this shocked even me..."Al Sharpton fits right in with the right wing race baiting tactics" ? I don't know where to begin, so....

Let's talk about why Mediamatters won't release their financial and donor records, just curious?
Moveon did, why won't they?

[lily]

I don't listen to Limbaugh, never have and likely never will. I find the man entirely too loud and abrasive for my tastes. But after hearing about this and reading about this supposed scandal, I went to his website and tried to access the tape. I couldn't of course, as I'm not a subscriber. As much as I do not like the man, I wasn't willing to just accept whatever had been said he'd said without checking it out first. From what I HAVE heard in bits and pieces, the man is getting the shaft. But that's okay, right? It's okay for the people we agree with to slander, besmirch, and lie about the people we don't like. It's only wrong if someone does that to the people we do like!

Whoa there.......you said you are basing your opinion on the same information that we are........yet we are wrong because we don't have more information than you have?[hr]

I have to disagree completely ECW, he was pretty clear in the course of his dialog the same day that it was MacBeth being considered by his commentary. Harry Reid simply wants to take a shot at Rush as do those who after having read the transcript continue to propagate the lies that his commentary was about anyone other than MacBeth and his dishonest ilk.


It's clear to you because it's what you want to believe. Why is it that as proof you linked to the next day's response to the attack, instead of the original text?

[BoogyMan]

I have to disagree completely ECW, he was pretty clear in the course of his dialog the same day that it was MacBeth being considered by his commentary. Harry Reid simply wants to take a shot at Rush as do those who after having read the transcript continue to propagate the lies that his commentary was about anyone other than MacBeth and his dishonest ilk.


It's clear to you because it's what you want to believe. Why is it that as proof you linked to the next day's response to the attack, instead of the original text?


I have also referenced the original transcript as posted in this thread by another poster lily. Your own words betray the position you wish to stake out with regard to this fracas. My posting ADDED the next day rebuttal to the transcript for context.

[lily]

I have also referenced the original transcript as posted in this thread by another poster lily.

That's not what I asked.


Your own words betray the position you wish to stake out with regard to this fracas.

According to you.

pffffftttt......I don't know why I bother.

My posting ADDED the next day rebuttal to the transcript for context

So you say.

[BoogyMan]

I have also referenced the original transcript as posted in this thread by another poster lily.

That's not what I asked.

You speak as if your question is definitive of my point lily, it clearly is not if you consider my commentary in this thread. I presented an additional resource and built my commentary on the combination of both the video and the transcript.


Your own words betray the position you wish to stake out with regard to this fracas.

According to you.

pffffftttt......I don't know why I bother.

I will explain it to you. What that sentence means is that your own accusation could be used to frame your commentary as well.


My posting ADDED the next day rebuttal to the transcript for context

So you say.


Yes, lily, I do. :D A consideration of the transcript and rebuttal clearly shows that MacBeth was the reference for Limbaugh's commentary.

[lily]

Your excellent debating skills have won me over, Boogy.........I no longer believe what I heard with my own ears, or read with my own eyes.

[BoogyMan]

If all you are willing to hear is the excerpted Media Matters stuff Lily, I could see why you might feel that way.

[Drocket]

Yes, lily, I do. :D A consideration of the transcript and rebuttal clearly shows that MacBeth was the reference for Limbaugh's commentary.

Except for the fact that Rush edited the transcript on his website...

[BoogyMan]

Yes, lily, I do. :D A consideration of the transcript and rebuttal clearly shows that MacBeth was the reference for Limbaugh's commentary.

Except for the fact that Rush edited the transcript on his website...


More Media Matters claims I see Drocket. I read that story on their site as well and even with what they claim should have been included it doesn't make the point the left wishes to make. As a matter of fact, most of what Media Matters claims was edited was caller commentary. :D

[Drocket]

Yet never-the-less, Rush (or his team, since I'm sure you'll yell if I simply say 'Rush'. Since he's in charge of the people who work for him, I'm simply going to refer to Rush & employees as 'Rush', as the responsibility is his anyway) decided to edit the transcript of a controversial show. The question 'Why' must be raised. One thing you'll notice is that the edits serve to push Rush's 'phony soldiers' and Jesse MacBeth mention closer together. In the original broadcast, there was more than a minute and a half between the two, which makes it a lot harder to claim that the two were intended to related. Now they're quite conveniently side-by-side.

Also amusing is Fox New's broadcasting of Rush's show, claiming to put the quote 'in context'. They edited out more than a minute of audio without mentioning that they did so. Fox News: showing once again which side they're on in the battle between the Truth and Republicans.

[ECW]

ECW WROTE:And what he is is a racist. Limbaugh's history of "jokes" and other off the wall comments show his true colors. Discussing race is one thing. Disparaging people for their skin color is quite another. Playing the race card is dispicable as well. It's one of the reasons that jerks like Tucker Carlson made such a fuss over Al Sharpton running for president because he fit right in with the rightwing and their race-baiting tactics.
After I shooed the fly, I see that your concerns have no substance.
Imagine my shock and surprise. Disparaging people for their skin color is quite another examples please, and if McNab comes up, which is on the tip of your fingers, forget about it. And I have the transcripts to show you.
BTW Irvin reiterated the same point as Rush when he said the media was propping McNab up because he is black.

Secondly...and this shocked even me..."Al Sharpton fits right in with the right wing race baiting tactics" ? I don't know where to begin, so....

Let's talk about why Mediamatters won't release their financial and donor records, just curious?
Moveon did, why won't they?


Why should I take another 30 seconds to dig up any more examples when you refused to debate the ones I already posted? Don't tell me... you didn't come here to debate, you came just to throw bombs and run away.

As for the "fly" problem you seem to be having, shovel that pile of bullshit off your computer and the flies will go away.

Eventually.[hr]
Your excellent debating skills have won me over, Boogy.........I no longer believe what I heard with my own ears, or read with my own eyes.


After watching the uncut videotape of his radio show it was real clear that he was dumping on Mike from Chicago and Jesse MacBeth was NOWHERE to be heard or seen. Rush got caught blasting liberal veterans/soldiers for their political views and now he regrets getting caught. What a puss. Phony soldiers, indeed.

[preservanation]

More fascism on display by Reid and Harkin...REID: Rush Limbaugh went way over the line, way over the line. While I respect his right to say anything he likes, his unpatriotic comments I cannot ignore. During his show last Wednesday, Limbaugh was engaged in one of his typical rants. This one was unremarkable, indistinguishable from his usually drivel, [sic] which has been steadily losing listeners for years, until he crossed that line by calling on men and women in uniform who oppose the war in Iraq, and I quote, "phony soldiers." [sic] This comment was so beyond the pale of decency, and we can't leave it alone.HARKIN: -- makes more news. It becomes in the news. More people tune in. He makes more money. Well, I don't know. Maybe he was just high on his drugs again. I don't know whether he was or not.RUSH:He took to the floor and accuses me of mentioning something I haven't mentioned. So if they are going to lie about one thing, is it reasonable to assume they are willing to lie about it all? B