Jews Against Zionists

[December]

http://www.jewsnotzionists.org

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"It is here, in the realm of politics, that much confusion has been sown. Supporters of Zionism for years skillfully attacted their opponents as "anti-Semites", to the extend that many Americans, Jews and gentiles alike and especially the media, are loath to even question the policies of Isreal no matter how odious.
Furthermore, the broad brush of anti-Semitism frequently has been used to besmirch anyone offering a conspiratorial view of history."

Jim Marrs "Rule by Secrecy"
page 61.

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0060931841/103-5217172-3542217?v=glance&n=283155



Jaaaman (13) - Last updated 09-23-2007, 03:44 PM

Negative: Despises the Jewish poputlation... true definition of a anti-seminite. A real LMAO kind of guy.

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Labrocca (27) - Last updated 09-18-2007, 08:30 PM

Negative: Everything is a conspiracy to this person.

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Pookie (20) - Last updated 07-23-2007, 09:20 PM

Negative: I'm sorry but you seem to be quite anti-Semitic. The Jews never did anything to you, really. Might want to temper your posts with a bit more understanding of other races, ok? ~ Pookie

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[Truth_and_Power]

Hey december can you get another thread going about zionism please?

You gotta love this guy. He's not a racist, he just has a problem with most of the things done by jews and blacks.

[Labrocca]

They are out to get him TP. Any minute now the Jews will lead the blacks into a race war and take over the earth. God help the white people as we are munutes away from being extinguished.

And exactly what is this thread about???

Gotta move it once again.

[December]

Hey december can you get another thread going about zionism please?


You can open your very own. :)

Truth_and_Power, is it a part of your culture to attack people instead of discussing issues and ideas?

[Truth_and_Power]

It's part of my culture to laugh at people who are unable to admit their own motivations.

[Labrocca]

I still don't get what this thread is suppose to be about and how we debate. Ok so there is a site with Jews against Zionism? How are we suppose to comment on that?

[AnnEsthesia]

Seems like there are a ton of these threads lately, not just by December too. Makes you wonder what the statistics on racists to non racists here are.

[PatrickHenry]

Zionism is a racist doctrine, AnnE.

An ethnic dividing line is the core of Zionism. We liberals in the US do not, cannot know the experience of the Arab in Palestine.

[AnnEsthesia]

Hey, I am not without sympathy. I think it was beyond stupid to create the Jewish state. If the Germans were so remorseful, they should have given away part of their own country instead of someone else's.

[tony mitra]

Zionism is a racist doctrine, AnnE.

An ethnic didving line is the core of Zionism. We liberals in the US do not, cannot know the experience of the Arab in Palestine.


Hi Patrick Henry,

I agree with you that we (although I am not from the US) cannot know the experience a Palestinian faces living in Gaza. I would even add that I suspect his existence is quite similar to what one would equate with slavery and that he is likely denied a dignified existence and denied means to control the future of his soceity, and that this humiliation is now two generations old, which affects his psychology.

But, regarding the first sentence, Zionism being a racist doctrine, I seem to think otherwise. Unless the European Jews have hikacked the movement, Zionism should have been merely a right wing hardcore section of average Jews.

And Jews, much like the Muslims and also Christians, originated out of the same people from the same land, and should be ethnically and racially, from the same stock.

Thinking from that angle, a Jew, Zionist or otherwise, could not really promote a racial or ethnic divide, though he could pursue a religious divide - unless, of course, the religion has been hijacked by people not from that land.

So, could it be that foreigners, or "white men", have hijacked both Christianity and Judaism, leaving the Arabs to be torch bearers for the Muslims only, thereby creating an opportunity to promote a racial or an ethnic divide?

These are the kind of quetions that come to mind.

Cheers, and no offense. :shame:

[PatrickHenry]

Yeah, no problem, Tony.

The problem with Jewishness is how it morphs.

According to some, you're a Jew if your mamma is. Religion doesn't come into it in this flavor. You might be an adherent to the Jewish faith...or you might not. 66% in Israel indicate that they are "not religious."

You would think that citizens of Israel would all be Jews...not so. Only about 76% are and the rest self-identify as something else.

You can also be a Jew if you go through a rabbinical conversion process and have the tip of your dick cut off. Sorta tribalism...

Or you can be a Jew if you are suddenly discovered by some other Jews who say you're a long lost tribe...

So it not really a race, not always a religion, the ethnicities are variable, and other confusing issues.

But Zionists often threaten your life if you happen to be in Palestine and don't carry the label "Jew."

As to actual ethnicity, the European Jewish immigrants to Palestine show very few features in common with the Mid East peoples. I mean they don't look alike and Jews get better treatment.

[crimzonsol]

Jews are hard to define because while we may go our sepperate ways, but we can always count on each other. Its sorta like a really big family where you may not know your uncle, but he will take you in when you need help. To try and define being Jewish is an impossible task there are too many things that can make one Jewish.

I am a Zionist and I do not threaten you if you happen to be in Palestine and are not Jewsih. So your generalization dies right there, you are going to have to come up with something better than circumstancial evidence and the actions of the few to prove that Zionists are trying to commit the Genocide of the Palestinian People in the present day.