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Professor
09-25-2007, 07:15 PM
Source: http://www.cnn.com/2007/WORLD/asiapcf/09/25/myanmar.protest.ap/index.html

Myanmar government impose curfews

YANGON, Myanmar (AP) -- The military government banned assemblies of more than five people and imposed curfews in Myanmar's two largest cities on Tuesday, after thousands of Buddhist monks and sympathizers defied orders to stay out of politics and protested once again.

On a day President Bush announced new U.S. sanctions against the junta, truckloads of soldiers converged on Yangon after the monks, cheered on by supporters, marched out for an eighth day of peaceful protest from Yangon's soaring Shwedagon Pagoda, while some 700 others staged a similar show of defiance in the country's second largest city of Mandalay.

"The protest is not merely for the well being of people but also for monks struggling for democracy and for people to have an opportunity to determine their own future," one monk told The Associated Press, speaking on condition of anonymity fearing reprisals from officials.

"People do not tolerate the military government any longer."

A monk who appeared to be one of their leaders addressed the crowd and said the protests would continue until the government apologized for mistreatment of monks at an earlier demonstration in northern Myanmar.

Tuesday's protests came despite orders to the Buddhist clergy to halt all political activity and return to their monasteries. The junta sent 10 truckloads of troops to Sule Pagoda, a focal point of the protests, including the one on Tuesday.

According to an ethnic guerrilla commander, among the army divisions dispatched was the 22nd, which took part in the suppression of the 1988 uprising when the military fired on peaceful crowds and killed thousands, terrorizing the country.

"They could get there pretty quickly. By tomorrow, maybe today," said Col. Ner Dah Mya, a leader of the Karen National Union, which is fighting the central government.

He was interviewed by telephone at the Thai-Myanmar border. Warnings also were sent out against all illegal gatherings in a country where an assembly of more than five can amount to breaking the law.

The demonstrators in Yangon ended their march around 5 p.m.

The protests in Yangon reached 100,000 on Monday, becoming the biggest demonstrations since the suppressed democratic uprising in 1988, when the military fired on peaceful crowds and killed thousands, terrorizing the country.

The warning shows the increasing pressure the junta is under to either crack down on or compromise with a reinvigorated democracy movement. The monks have taken their traditional role as the conscience of society, backing the military into a corner from which it may lash out again.

The authorities did not stop the protests Monday, even as they built to a scale and fervor that rivaled the pro-democracy uprising of 1988. The government has been handling the monks gingerly, wary of raising the ire of ordinary citizens in this devout, predominantly Buddhist nation.

However, on Monday night the country's religious affairs minister appeared on state television to accuse the monks of being manipulated by the regime's domestic and foreign enemies. Meeting with senior monks at Yangon's Kaba Aye Pagoda, Brig. Gen. Thura Myint Maung said the protesting monks represented just 2 percent of the country's population. He suggested that if senior monks did not restrain them, the government would act according to its own regulations, which he did not detail.

Also on Monday, the White House weighed in with the threat of additional sanctions against the Myanmar regime and those who provide it with financial aid. President Bush is expected to announce the sanctions Tuesday at the U.N. General Assembly. The United States restricts imports and exports and financial transactions with Myanmar, also known as Burma.

U.N. Secretary-General Ban Ki-Moon urged authorities in Myanmar to exercise restraint in the face of the protests and expressed hope the military-led government would "seize this opportunity" to include all opposition groups in the political process.

The current protests began on August 19 after the government sharply raised fuel prices in what is one of Asia's poorest countries. But they are based in deep-rooted dissatisfaction with the repressive military government that has ruled the country in one form or another since 1962.

"I don't like the government," a 20-year-old monk participating in the protest in the central city of Mandalay told The Associated Press. "The government is very cruel and our country is full of troubles."

Ordinary people have similar views, even if they may not act on them.

"I don't like the government because it only thinks about itself. But there is nothing I can do. If I join the protest, I will lose everything," said a hotel worker, also in Mandalay. Both she and the monk asked not to be named for fear of the authorities.

The protests over economic conditions were faltering when the monks last week took over leadership and assumed a role they played in previous battles against British colonialism and military dictators. At first the maroon-robed monks simply chanted and prayed. But as the public joined the march, the demonstrators demanded national reconciliation -- meaning dialogue between the government and opposition parties -- and freedom for political prisoners, as well as adequate food, shelter and clothing.

The fleeting appearance of Nobel Peace Prize laureate Aung San Suu Kyi at the gate of the Yangon residence where she is under house arrest squarely identified the protests with the longtime peaceful struggle of her party, the opposition National League Democracy. She has been under detention for 12 of the past 18 years.

In what appeared to be a miscalculation by the junta, a crowd of about 500 monks and sympathizers was let through police barricades Saturday to her home, where she briefly greeted them in her first public appearance in four years.

On Monday, after the crowds marched for more than five hours over 12 miles, a last hardcore group of more than 1,000 monks and 400 sympathizers finished by walking up to an intersection where police blocked access to the street where Suu Kyi lives.

Making no effort to push past, the marchers chanted a Buddhist prayer with the words "May there be peace," and then dispersed. About 500 onlookers cheered their act of defiance, as 100 riot police with helmets and shields stared stonily ahead.

Monday's march was launched from the Shwedagon pagoda, the country's most sacred shrine, and 20,000 monks took the lead. Students joined the protest in noticeable numbers for the first time. Security forces were not in evidence for most of the route.

Diplomats and analysts said Myanmar's military rulers were showing unexpected restraint this time because of pressure from the country's key trading partner and diplomatic ally, China.

"Beijing is to host the next summer's Olympic Games. Everyone knows that China is the major supporter of the junta, so if government takes any action it will affect the image of China," a Southeast Asian diplomat said, speaking on condition of anonymity as a matter of protocol.

China, which is counting on Myanmar's vast oil and gas reserves to help fuel its booming economy, earlier this year blocked a U.N. Security Council resolution criticizing Myanmar's rights record, saying it was not the right forum. Much of the West applies diplomatic and political sanctions against the junta, but Chinese aid -- along with the oil and gas revenues -- effectively undercuts any leverage they might have had.

However, Beijing has also employed quiet diplomacy and subtle public pressure on the regime, urging it to move toward inclusive democracy and speed up the process of dialogue and reform.

Josef Silverstein, a political scientist and author of several books on Myanmar, said it would not be in China's interest to have civil unrest in Myanmar.

"China is very eager to have a peaceful Burma in order to complete roads and railroads, to develop mines and finish assimilating the country under its economic control," Silverstein said.

Kyi Yo
09-27-2007, 04:28 AM
They killed one monk earlier today breaking up the protest and now there are reports of night raids on the monasteries. This is heating up fast.

Link (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/asia-pacific/7015544.stm)

Cobra
09-27-2007, 03:44 PM
9 killed in 2nd day of Myanmar crackdown
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070927/ap_on_re_as/myanmar

Them killing and beating monks may backfire. Things are going from bad to worse. Good luck to the people there anyway.

tony mitra
09-30-2007, 01:50 AM
The reason the UN is unable to send a stronger message, or pass a stronger resolution, from what I hear, is China. During a security council meeting called on the subject, China had apparently declared they would not attend it unless SC could assure China that there would be no strong resolution passed against the Junta.

I heard it through Amy Goodman of Democracy Now but have not seen other sources stating that. There is apparently an internet blog by a Burmese gentleman living in London, who receives messages and pictures from ordinary civilians in Myanmar secretly, to pass to the world.

Since Myanmar already faces sanctions of various kinds, it is unlikely that the UN can do anything. It is also unlikely that the US can do much, other than direct military action, which too is unlikely. So, it appears that someone should petition China to stop sitting on the fence

There is some talk about western folks boycotting the next Olympic in protest, scheduled in China next year. I don't know how far that can be possible, but something like that for sure would shake the Chinese Govt into action. They are extremely sensitive of their "face" and like to use the Olympics to showcase a modern China to the world.

Meanwhile, Monks in Myanmar seem to be showing more courage than the average people. Politically, the Buddhist Monks have often achieved what politicians and gun toting soldiers could not. Monks dousing themselves in gasoline and torching themselves alight in public square to protest against war or discrimination, thereby drawing attention to and shaming dictators has happened. There is also Dalai Lama, who probably epitomises peaceful resistance better than Taiwan does.

Its a shame, and an outrage. There really should be a world wide mass movement to boycott the Beijing Olympics. No military is needed, no UN is needed, and yet, it could force China to give up protecting the Burmese regime.

The people of the world could literally save the people of Myanmar, if they really tried.

Just my views.

Nice to see these topics discussed.

dgun
09-30-2007, 02:48 AM
It would be nice, when things like this are happening, to have a US President with some credibility.

When he spoke about this issue recently it was like a big joke.

preservanation
09-30-2007, 03:24 AM
This is a perfect example of the neocons not stepping up to the plate and forcing democracy on nations!

Hoo Boy.
McMurphy!

Jaaaman
09-30-2007, 02:11 PM
This is a perfect example of the neocons not stepping up to the plate and forcing democracy on nations!

Hoo Boy.
McMurphy!


No... what they will say here pres is that our current POTUS and his administration could give a rats ass about Myanmar for the simple reason that oil and other natural resources are not involved. We did not give a rats ass about Rwanda, so why should we care about some 2 bit nation in Indochina? :dizzy:

BoogyMan
09-30-2007, 07:10 PM
The situation is now made worse by the fact that almost all outside communications have been severed.


Source: Link (http://apnews.myway.com/article/20070929/D8RV4US00.html)

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Authorities have also gone after the Internet, which has played a crucial role in getting news and images of the democracy protests to residents and the outside world alike. Few foreign journalists have been permitted to operate and media freedom is severely restricted.

"They don't want the world to see what is going on there," Scott Stanzel, a spokesman for the U.S. government, told reporters in Washington.
...

Cobra
09-30-2007, 07:18 PM
Guess that's why new, news from their has slowed to a stand still. The bloggers and repoters can't get their stories out.

Scorpion
09-30-2007, 07:49 PM
The situation is now made worse by the fact that almost all outside communications have been severed.


Source: Link (http://apnews.myway.com/article/20070929/D8RV4US00.html)

...
Authorities have also gone after the Internet, which has played a crucial role in getting news and images of the democracy protests to residents and the outside world alike. Few foreign journalists have been permitted to operate and media freedom is severely restricted.

"They don't want the world to see what is going on there," Scott Stanzel, a spokesman for the U.S. government, told reporters in Washington.
...


I am very troubled by the developments in Burma. Yes, Burma. That's its name regardless of what some tinpot dictator want to call it.

I spent over a year in Rangoon back in the early 70s and I came to love the country and its people.

This whole mess reminds me of the precursor to the KR takeover in Cambodia. I think that we should brace for the possibility of widespread murder of dissidents in Burma.

Kyi Yo
10-02-2007, 09:58 AM
What brave people. I'll be adding them to my morning and evening prayers. Their government refused to meet with the UN delegation today. This looks pretty grim.


BBC NEWS
Burmese monks 'to be sent away'
Thousands of monks detained in Burma's main city of Rangoon will be sent to prisons in the far north of the country, sources have told the BBC.

About 4,000 monks have been rounded up in the past week as the military government has tried to stamp out pro-democracy protests.

They are being held at a disused race course and a technical college.

Sources from a government-sponsored militia said they would soon be moved away from Rangoon.

The monks have been disrobed and shackled, the sources told BBC radio's Burmese service. There are reports that the monks are refusing to eat.

The country has seen almost two weeks of sustained popular unrest, in the most serious challenge to the military leadership for more than two decades.

Their eyes are on the international community, their only hope is that the world will see their plight and help them
A Buddhist activist

The authorities said 10 people were killed as the protests were dispersed, though diplomats and activists say the number of dead was many times higher.

The banned opposition broadcaster Democratic Voice of Burma has issued a picture which they say shows the body of a monk floating near the mouth of the Rangoon river.

Last week several monasteries were raided, and there were reports of monks being beaten and killed.

With many monks behind bars, the demonstrations have now died down.

On Monday, the centre of Rangoon was almost back to normal, a reporter, who cannot be identified for security reasons, told the BBC.

Most shops and temples have reopened and people appear to be getting on with their lives. But there seemed to be a group of soldiers around every corner, and very few monks about, the reporter said.

This is notable in a city where monks can usually be spotted going in and out of temples, shopping at street stalls and chatting in tea shops.

The atmosphere in Rangoon is tense, the reporter said. Local people are well aware that the monks have been locked away and are afraid that they will be next.

The crackdown, in which unarmed protesters were beaten, tear-gassed, and shot at, has attracted condemnation from abroad, and even from Burma's neighbours in the Association of South East Asian Nations (Asean).

Envoy still waiting

As well as preventing the demonstrations, the military junta has tried to block news of the unrest filtering out. Troops are stopping young men on the streets and in cars, searching for cameras that may be used to smuggle out images.

Most internet links are still down and mobile phone networks disrupted.

Official media has been warning Burmese people against co-operating with or using foreign news outlets.

A TV message on Monday referred to the BBC, Voice of America and Radio Free Asia as "assassins on air".

UN special envoy Ibrahim Gambari was set to meet Burma's military leader General Than Shwe on Tuesday, officials said.

On Saturday, when Mr Gambari travelled to the new capital Naypidaw, he was allowed to meet only more junior members of the government.

On Sunday, Mr Gambari held talks with detained opposition leader Aung San Suu Kyi in Rangoon - the first foreigner to be permitted to do so for 10 months.

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Story from BBC NEWS:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/go/pr/fr/-/1/hi/world/asia-pacific/7022437.stm

Published: 2007/10/01 17:08:41 GMT

preservanation
10-02-2007, 10:54 AM
Totalitarian scum bags.
We are truly blessed to live in a country where this stuff is prohibited by our Constitution.
My prayers and sympathy goes out to the monks, their families and the Burmese (Myanmar) people.
The right thing to do would be for the world community to save these poor people. Will it happen? I doubt it.

netzen
10-07-2007, 08:40 PM
Only way to build up pressure, boycott Olympics

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The only way to push China to do something is threating of boycotting Olympics. Reporters without Borders, who are not the last ones to know about oppression and lack of democracy, are defending this concept. I think if China is going to see images of their oppression linket to Olympics, then maybe they will be willing to do some progress. For Burma and oppressed Chinese people and dissidents, try to follow :
http://www.rsf.org/
See some images and news from jails :
http://educateprotest.blogspot.com/

preservanation
10-08-2007, 12:47 AM
Yeah...
Remember Tienanmen square?
In this world of global economics and geopolitical correctness the commies might defer from making a scene.
Behind the scene might be a different story.