Rush Limbaugh Faints... LOL

[Truth_and_Power]

Oh my, what did he say! (http://www.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,1663424,00.html?cnn=yes)

[lily]

You know.......I have a picture in my mind of O'Reilly loosening his corset, waving an embroidered hanky saying "Oh dear, I have the vapors". :madlaugh:

[Labrocca]

The ad is pretty tough, and the pun on the general's name is pretty witless. You could argue that since the verb betray and the noun traitor have the same root, the ad is accusing the head of American forces in Iraq of treason. The ad can also be interpreted — more plausibly if you consider the rest of the text — merely as questioning the general's honesty, not his patriotism. But whatever your interpretation of the ad, all the gasping for air and waving of scented handkerchiefs among the war's most enthusiastic supporters is pretty comical.

It's all phony, of course. The war's backers are obviously delighted to have this ad from which they can make an issue. They wouldn't trade it for a week in Anbar province (a formerly troubled area of Iraq that is now, thanks to us, an Eden of peace and tranquillity where barely a car bomb disturbs the perfumed silence — or so they say). These days, mock outrage is used by every side of every dispute. It's fair enough to criticize something your opponent said while secretly thanking your lucky stars that he said it. The fuss over this MoveOn.org ad is something else: it is the result of a desperate scavenging for umbrage material. When so many people are clamoring for a chance to swoon that they each have to take a number and when the landscape is so littered with folks lying prostrate and pretending to be dead that it starts to look like the end of a Civil War battle re-enactment, this isn't spontaneous mass outrage. This is choreography.

Oh how true...

[Deadshot]

Sad but true...:shame:

[Truth_and_Power]

..don't look at the finger..

[heyjude]

My husband died of Parkinsons Disease and while I know that I overuse trite expressions, Rush Limbaugh did make me sick to my stomach.

[dgun]

These days, mock outrage is used by every side of every dispute.

Exactly. And does anyone sustain a session of fake outrage as long as Nancy Grace?

[Truth_and_Power]

These days, mock outrage is used by every side of every dispute.

Exactly. And does anyone sustain a session of fake outrage as long as Nancy Grace?


If Rush were only in better shape..

[Deadshot]

These days, mock outrage is used by every side of every dispute.

Exactly. And does anyone sustain a session of fake outrage as long as Nancy Grace?


The Admin. can split this thread right there if they want. Nancy Grace is a disgrace.

Read this story about her from Stephen King, sorry for the length, I just hate that bitch!

Graceless and Tasteless
Stephen King on Nancy Grace -- The Pop of King dissects the controversial news anchor
By Stephen King Stephen King
I'm sure Ron Williamson, of Ada, Okla., would have been Nancy Grace's dream case if she'd been on TV at the time of his arrest and subsequent trial for the murder of Debra Sue Carter; I mean, we're talking years of prime-time steak and chops, all culminating with Williamson being sentenced to death by lethal injection. The only problem is that Ron Williamson didn't do the crime. You can read all about it in John Grisham's extraordinary new nonfiction account of the case, The Innocent Man.

I've known John for 12 years, and beneath the kidding, ''I'm just a good ole boy'' exterior, there's a hardworking guy who believes in God, honesty, and the law. Maybe in that order, maybe not. And when I mentioned Nancy Grace in his presence, a look of discomfort, bordering on pain, came over his face. When I asked if he'd let me quote him for this piece, he said he can't stand to watch her.

Ron Williamson went through the horrors of the damned, and he's been much on my mind the last couple of weeks as I force-fed myself doses of Ms. Grace, the Darth Vader of CNN Headline News (which, like this magazine, is owned by Time Warner). And before you accuse me of writing about news in your favorite entertainment magazine, let me assure you that Nancy Grace is entertainment...if, that is, you're the sort who watches NASCAR for the crashes and Survivor hoping no one will. In the increasingly weird world of infotainment, she is the belle of the Freakers Ball.

Nancy Grace — puffy-cheeked, helmet-haired, heavy-lidded, strangely expressionless even during her frequent rages — conveys by body language alone the idea that we're all guilty of something...and she knows it. Her specialty is the sorts of tabloid crimes The National Enquirer used to cover in the bad old days, when car-crash photos and Mexican decapitations were staples. George Pelecanos, James Ellroy, and Michael Connelly are able to elevate such horrors to art; Nancy Grace degrades them so deeply into the fleapit of the imagination that a week of her makes Dick Cheney highlight reels look good. And like Puritan elders, Wild West hanging judges, or Madame Defarge knitting in the shadow of the guillotine, Nancy Grace gives the sense that somehow, someway, she just knows whodunit.

But not even veteran Grace watchers could have been prepared for this autumn's spectacular, when Ms. Grace kicked around the dead body of Melinda Duckett for either 30 or 60 minutes a night, depending on who else in this great land of ours was being stabbed, raped, or abducted.

Just in case you're one of the six who haven't heard: Trenton Duckett is or was (probably was) the 2-year-old son of Josh and Melinda Duckett, separated. Trenton was living with his mother in Leesburg, Fla. On Aug. 27, she called 911 at approximately 9 p.m. to report Trenton missing. When the police arrived, they found the screen of his bedroom window slashed. A search netted no result. The boy's father was questioned, then passed a polygraph (not that anyone really does; read The Innocent Man). And, inevitably, suspicion began to swing toward Mom.

Enter Nancy Grace. It's hard to tell if Melinda Duckett knew of Grace's penchant for ambush interviewing, or her seeming fantasy life as Perry Mason in a pink power suit; if she didn't, she found out. Grace repeatedly asked, while overriding Duckett's attempts to answer: ''Have you taken a polygraph?'' (Her lawyer told her not to.) ''Where were you?'' she later trumpeted, pounding on her desk. ''Why aren't you telling us where you were that day?'' The next day, Melinda Duckett crawled into her grandfather's closet and blew her head off with his shotgun. She had to be identified by an arm tattoo. Anyone with the smallest shred of decency would not have run that pre-suicide interview, but Nancy Grace isn't just anyone. She ran it — with a small graphic at the bottom of the screen saying Melinda Duckett's body had been found that afternoon.

If Trenton Duckett is dead, Nancy Grace is in the grotesque position of having to hope Mom did it. If not, the part Grace may have played in Duckett's death is almost beyond thinking about. If Duckett did kill Trenton (the police now call her the prime suspect), she's beyond the reach of the law and of no further help in finding the boy's body and easing the agony of his father or of his grieving relatives, and Ms. Grace almost certainly bears a responsibility for that, though she denies it.

Her network supported her decision to run the pre-suicide interview. The reason for that is in the numbers. Cable news is a Nielsen yard sale, but even so, sleaze sells. According to the AP, the death of Melinda Duckett (and the probable death of Trenton) has been good business for CNN Headline News and Nancy Grace. In recent months, Grace had been doing 534,000 viewers per night. In the days after Duckett's death, the show averaged 689,000.

One politics-and-business blog calls this ''the dead mother bounce.'' I call it ugly and shameful. As journalism it's immoral, and as entertainment, it's outright pimpery. Thirty-five years ago I wrote a novel called The Running Man, in which viewers watched fugitives run until they were executed on national television. I never expected to see anything remotely like it for real, but I never imagined Nancy Grace...and I've got a pretty nasty imagination.

No wonder John Grisham doesn't watch her.

Posted Sep 29, 2006 | Published in issue #900 Oct 06, 2006

[heyjude]

I had a hard time when CNN hired her. Why? They didn't have their own Coulter? I will not listen to her. I know the Republicans hammer the station, claiming they are "Liberal." That's bull. To some Republicans all media except the extreme right is. Doesn't make it so. There aren't that many neo-cons in this country, and they have their very own tv station, so I think CNN should just let Ms. Grace sail away.

[dgun]

Good article deadshot. I knew I despised Nancy Grace, but now even more so.

[Pookie]

I DO have Parkinson's, for God's sake. I was diagnosed last year on June 19, 06.
However, I find NOTHING funny about this. I am doing the best I can here, and I am sorry, I don't think a lot of things are funny. But perhaps I need a lesson here. I will try to be better.
Purrs,

[heyjude]

Pookie, I can be as think as a coconut, but I don't understand what you mean. Do you think someone here has posted comments making fun of people with PD? I must have not understood it. I certainly wouldn't do that. I hate that damn disease. Well, there are apparently different forms, my husbands worst effect was Parkinson's dementia. Most PD sufferers don't get that. I hope you feel better. I don't think anyone was making fun of PD.

[exigent]

They helped bring to light something that was rather dormant until recently. By recently, I mean the increasing unpopularity of the war on terror, the occupation of iraq, bush, cheney and pretty much all neocons in general. With their latest ad, you know the 'General Betray Us' one, neocons have been playing it rather dramatically.

After years and years of brainwashing from the harsh lips of Rush and pals, the hardened neocons suddenly become faint and flabbergasted by anything from the left. This ad from Moveon.org is an absolute goldmine for these drama queens. War backers have little to hold on to these days, so really it comes to no suprise that they attack with both barrels when something like this happens.

However, little do they know that it helps them little to try to rally support in such a dramatic fashion. Like a hockey player who falls when brushed by an opponent, or a basketball who tries to elicit a foul to the other team by acting like he was fouled, so do these idiots. All this drawing of uncrossable lines and issuing of fatwas is supposed to be a bad habit of liberals. When cons attack this habit rather than practicing it, they call it political correctness. The problem with political correctness is that it turns discussions of substance into arguments over etiquette. The last thing that war supporters want to talk about is the war. They'd far rather talk about this insult to General Petraeus.

Also the ad itself was given no consideration. The ad in my opinion has been taken out of context to further the agenda of the right. It very well could be challenging his honesty in his findings. Either way, it is rather amusing to see all the cons calling time-out and gasping for air and waving their handkerchiefs to be quite comical at best.

[Truth_and_Power]

Here's the thread on this subject:
Link (http://www.democracyforums.com/showthread.php?tid=8032)

[exigent]

whoops...sorry didnt see that thread...

mods - delete this thread as it is a dupe

[heyjude]

The Democrats seem to be running away from MoveOn as fast as they can. It is probably a good thing.

[ECW]

I don't remember if all these neocons took an equal amount of umbrage when their co-horts in character assassination smeared John Murtha after he began to oppose the war. No, I don't remember their outrage at all at those who were attacking Murtha and his military service nor do I remember Murtha's supporters translating those attacks into claims of a widescale damnation of the military itself, as the current bunch is doing.

Grasping for straws, is all the neocons are doing. National support for the war is dwindling. Bush is no longer a credible spokesman for it. Petraeus has been exposed as a neocon shill for the war hoping against hope he can use his experience in running this war as platform in his run for president in 2012. It's all just choreographed and pathetic nonsense.

[preservanation]

The Democrats seem to be running away from MoveOn as fast as they can. It is probably a good thing.
They are?
None of the Dem presidential candidates voted to condemn them in the Senate cause they need the money and the favorable ink by moveon.
Obama avoided the whole thing, by just not showing up.
Courageous

[Truth_and_Power]

The Democrats seem to be running away from MoveOn as fast as they can. It is probably a good thing.
They are?
None of the Dem presidential candidates voted to condemn them in the Senate cause they need the money and the favorable ink by moveon.
Obama avoided the whole thing, by just not showing up.
Courageous


Yes, yes!! Lets all take sides on this umbrage issue. Then we can filibuster the vote on whether to officially take umbrage on behalf of the US government. Then we can go to the U.N. and sign the Great Umbrage Treaty of 2007. War on Umbrage!!

Does anyone remember what the move-on ad was even about at this point? God forbid we actually debate the issues rather than attack the messengers..

[Saigio]

The Democrats seem to be running away from MoveOn as fast as they can. It is probably a good thing.
They are?
None of the Dem presidential candidates voted to condemn them in the Senate cause they need the money and the favorable ink by moveon.
Obama avoided the whole thing, by just not showing up.
Courageous


Just out of curiosity, what would a vote to condemn moveon do?

[Truth_and_Power]

Just out of curiosity, what would a vote to condemn moveon do?


Distract the public from the actual issues.

[ECW]

Does anyone remember what the move-on ad was even about at this point? God forbid we actually debate the issues rather than attack the messengers..


I remember.

General Petraeus is a military man constantly at war with the facts. In 2004, just before the election, he said there was “tangible progress“ in Iraq and that “Iraqi leaders are stepping forward.”

And last week Petraeus, the architect of the escalation of troops in Iraq , said ”We say we have achieved progress, and we are obviously going to do everything we can to build on that progress.”

Every independent report on the ground situation in Iraq shows that the surge strategy has failed.

Yet the General claims a reduction in violence. That’s because, according to the New York Times, the Pentagon has adopted a bizarre formula for keeping tabs on violence. For example, deaths by car bombs don’t count.

The Washington Post reported that assassinations only count if you're shot in the back of the head -- not the front.

According to news reports, there have been more civilian deaths and more American soldier deaths in the past three months than in any other summer we’ve been there.

We'll hear of neighborhoods where violence has decreased. But we won't hear that those neighborhoods have been ethnically cleansed.

Most importantly, General Petraeus will not admit what everyone knows; Iraq is mired in an unwinnable religious civil war.
We may hear of a plan to withdraw a few thousand American troops.

But we won’t hear what Americans are desperate to hear: a timetable for withdrawing all our troops. General Petraeus has actually said American troops will need to stay in Iraq for as long as ten years.

Today before Congress and before the American people, General Petraeus is likely to become General Betray Us.

There is nothing in that ad that is untruthful. Every statement is backed up with a citation. This is nothing more than neocons getting their panties in a twist because someone had the balls to tell them the unvarnished truth for once and they don't like it.

[Elrathin]

Just out of curiosity, what would a vote to condemn moveon do?


Nothing but it seems like some Conservatives have been whipping out the Weapons of Mass Distraction again :lmao:[hr]
There is nothing in that ad that is untruthful. Every statement is backed up with a citation. This is nothing more than neocons getting their panties in a twist because someone had the balls to tell them the unvarnished truth for once and they don't like it.


I still disagree with the ad because it was run before his testimony. They really should have waited and gave the guy his shot and then blasted him if that is what they wanted to do. It set a precedence of mudslinging IMO that I am tired of seeing.

I still don't agree with the ad, but I agree with their right to post it. The senate debating whether it was appropriate or not was a waste of time and money and everyone should be outraged at that.

But I guess the pro-war supporters that support what the senate did believe in wasting money. But with the cost of this war already I'm not surprised they don't mind wasting more money and time.

[ViolaLee]

The Democrats seem to be running away from MoveOn as fast as they can. It is probably a good thing.
They are?
None of the Dem presidential candidates voted to condemn them in the Senate cause they need the money and the favorable ink by moveon.
Obama avoided the whole thing, by just not showing up.
Courageous
Diane Feinstein voted to condemn it and I called her office to day that and told her that when she voted for warrantless wiretapping she lost my vote. Now that she voted to condemn the ad, I will CAMPAIGN against her. What a waste of time, debate and vote on an ad when the Republicans are blocking the troops getting the same time off that they have on and blocking the habeas corpus restoration act.

Obama avoided the whole thing just as every other responsible elected official should have. It was a waste of congress's time, this stupid vote.


Just out of curiosity, what would a vote to condemn moveon do?


Distract the public from the actual issues.
Exactly right. And the fact that Obama didn't show up for it just made me like him even more. Obama for President.

Here is moveon's response to the waste of time vote by congress.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bwoORln51NI[hr]We will not be silent. We will not back down.

[heyjude]

Obama strikes me as a coward. Why didn't he show up and voice his opinion?

[lily]

Yes, yes!! Lets all take sides on this umbrage issue. Then we can filibuster the vote on whether to officially take umbrage on behalf of the US government. Then we can go to the U.N. and sign the Great Umbrage Treaty of 2007. War on Umbrage!!

If we had a hall of fame for posts.......this one would sure have my vote! :thumbsup:

Does anyone remember what the move-on ad was even about at this point? God forbid we actually debate the issues rather than attack the messengers..

In a way this ad sort of backfired. On all of the forums I post on, Petraeus and this ad was discussed more than what he actually had to say.

[ECW]

Does anyone remember what the move-on ad was even about at this point? God forbid we actually debate the issues rather than attack the messengers..

In a way this ad sort of backfired. On all of the forums I post on, Petraeus and this ad was discussed more than what he actually had to say.


The rightwing used it as smoke screen to avoid having to admit that Petraeus was there to Cheerlead For Defeat in extending our commitment to fight against all sides in what has become a civil war. No neocon has been able to DISPROVE what MoveOn said in the ad and if they have I surely did not see it.


There is nothing in that ad that is untruthful. Every statement is backed up with a citation. This is nothing more than neocons getting their panties in a twist because someone had the balls to tell them the unvarnished truth for once and they don't like it.


I still disagree with the ad because it was run before his testimony. They really should have waited and gave the guy his shot and then blasted him if that is what they wanted to do. It set a precedence of mudslinging IMO that I am tired of seeing.

I still don't agree with the ad, but I agree with their right to post it. The senate debating whether it was appropriate or not was a waste of time and money and everyone should be outraged at that.

But I guess the pro-war supporters that support what the senate did believe in wasting money. But with the cost of this war already I'm not surprised they don't mind wasting more money and time.

You are disagreeing with the timing of the ad. I can see that but are you disagreeing with what the ad said?

[ViolaLee]

Obama strikes me as a coward. Why didn't he show up and voice his opinion?
If I were a Senator I wouldn't have shown up either. It was a big waste of taxpayer money, to vote about an ad in the newspaper, while habeas corpus and time off for the troops gets blocked by the republicans, the republicans are busy voting about an ad.