Fascist Pigs Taser Student

[DANG]

Fascist Pigs Taser Student for asking John Kerry about voter suppression in 2004.... and Skull & Bones membership.
Kerry wanted to answer, but the pigs swooped in. Because the truth should never be spoken out loud.

shhhh... we are all suspects. Except the crooks who rule.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tCBcOQkUNjI

[lily]

My question is, Why did Kerry answer his question as he was being tazed instead of telling the cops to stop?

[Truth_and_Power]

The emperor does not REALLY control the praetorian guard.

[ViolaLee]

That's sick. Cops need better training on handcuffing people, apparently. Meanwhile, let him ask his stupid question. Yeah he's annoying but the crowd shuts people like that up if they go on and on. They get booed and they shut up!

Police brutality.

[Stoner]

Cops actually did a good job. The kid was resisting pretty hard. Everything looked by the book.

Good job!

[ViolaLee]

The cops were out of line arresting him in the first place.

What law did he break?

[ECW]

The Questioning Authority law. Nothing stopped those cops from picking the kid up and carrying his ass out of the place. I hope the kid sues them. The cops will be paying his tuition once all is said and done.

[Scorpion]

The student became disruptive. The police were directing the disorderly student out of the hall when the student became combative towards the officers. The officers attempted to restrain him but he continued to resist, even after being warned that he would be tazed.

Bottom line: One big mouth student bought himself a ticket for a ride on the pain train.

[DANG]

He was asking a question..... and getting an answer.
Speaking just loud enough for Kerry to hear him from that distance.

The student was within bounds.
The pigs were tresspassing.
These bastards should have been maced. They need to be reminded they are public servants. We pay their wages. Bad pigs.[hr]He didnt need to be restrained!!

The pigs did![hr]Thats a national problem we are having. The goddam fascists are trying to restrain peacable people all over the place. Everyday. Since when is that acceptable. The motherfuckingcocksuckers cant just talk to people without laying their filthy hands on them?? Bullshit!

They should have never even approached this guy.

[Scorpion]

The pigs did![hr]Thats a national problem we are having. The goddam fascists are trying to restrain peacable people all over the place. Everyday. Since when is that acceptable. The motherfuckingcocksuckers cant just talk to people without laying their filthy hands on them?? Bullshit!



Well said. Excellent example of exactly the type of irrational behavior that caused the hero of our movie to be tazed. :madlaugh:

[BoogyMan]

I have thought a while about how to comment on this one and watched that video several times. While tazing the student seems severe at first blush, he was given an instruction by the police which he met with hostility and he fought against the police who tried to escort him out.

I am proably in disagreement with most of you on this but that young man gave those officers little choice.

[Questerr]

Boogy,

He never should have been arrested in the first place. He was asking a perfectly reasonable question. And the whole "but he was disruptive!11!" defense is BS. The forum was ending, he was trying to get his question in before Kerry left.

Personally, I don't think that being "disruptive", whatever subjective crap that means, should be grounds for silencing someone. We have rights to free speech and peacably assemble for a reason: to create political and social dialogue. And no matter how hard you want to suppress someone's opinion they still have the right to voice it.

[Elrathin]

I am proably in disagreement with most of you on this but that young man gave those officers little choice.


Boogy are you seriously trying to say that with all those officers they couldn't handcuff him? I find it hard to believe that the only choice left was to tazer him.

Was he disruptive with the police officers? Yes. Was the tazering their last choice? Sorry I don't believe so.

[Deadshot]

A lot of this could be in response to the Officers SOP. If I handcuff you, I have deprived you of your freedom, ergo you're arrested. Tazering you...I just give you some pain. You are NOT arrested.

Taken with that information, do you now understand why cops are more willing to tazer then to arrest?

[Elrathin]

A lot of this could be in response to the Officers SOP. If I handcuff you, I have deprived you of your freedom, ergo you're arrested. Tazering you...I just give you some pain. You are NOT arrested.

Taken with that information, do you now understand why cops are more willing to tazer then to arrest?


Sorry Deadshot that makes no sense. He was being arrested ANYWAY. They tazered him while arresting him. So again, why couldn't they have handcuffed him with the amount of cops there?

[Deadshot]

A lot of this could be in response to the Officers SOP. If I handcuff you, I have deprived you of your freedom, ergo you're arrested. Tazering you...I just give you some pain. You are NOT arrested.

Taken with that information, do you now understand why cops are more willing to tazer then to arrest?


Sorry Deadshot that makes no sense. He was being arrested ANYWAY. They tazered him while arresting him. So again, why couldn't they have handcuffed him with the amount of cops there?


Was he being arrested, or escorted from the building? Most, not all, but most protesters - in that type of setting - are just kicked out of the building. Think Michael Moore in Roger and Me where he was escorted by Security from the room.

The person may not have been arrested until AFTER he'd been tazered and resisted the police. I'm not sure. I just know that as a Police Officer we follow our SOP. If our SOP allows us to use a tazer to subdue a possibly violent person, I'm going to use it. I do not want to arrest someone protesting, but if it's my job to get that protester out, I'm going to get him out and tazering someone seems to take the fight out of most people.

[lily]

A lot of this could be in response to the Officers SOP. If I handcuff you, I have deprived you of your freedom, ergo you're arrested. Tazering you...I just give you some pain. You are NOT arrested.

Taken with that information, do you now understand why cops are more willing to tazer then to arrest?



I would agree with you on this, Deadshot, if there wasn't (what was it 6 police officers) and the man was already on the ground.[hr]
He was asking a question..... and getting an answer.
Speaking just loud enough for Kerry to hear him from that distance.



Which brings me back to my original question......why did Kerry respond to him.........and then respond again when the man was being tazered, instead of telling the police to stop? I put part of the responsiblity on Kerry for not doing anything.

[Deadshot]

I would agree with you on this, Deadshot, if there wasn't (what was it 6 police officers) and the man was already on the ground.


I counted four, but six is fine. If we all go to handcuff you, and can't get the cuffs on, we're going to force you to cooperate. This isn't a Rodney King style beating. It was a Tazering, which hurts like hell, but in about an hour you get over it.

Stop fighting, as the officers suggested, and nothing would happen. Keep fighting me and I WILL make you stop. I WILL do my job.

[BoogyMan]

I am proably in disagreement with most of you on this but that young man gave those officers little choice.


Boogy are you seriously trying to say that with all those officers they couldn't handcuff him? I find it hard to believe that the only choice left was to tazer him.

Was he disruptive with the police officers? Yes. Was the tazering their last choice? Sorry I don't believe so.


I can agree that tazering the guy was extreme action, but I am not going to second guess the officers based on a YouTube video either.

[December]

Well, now I see that America became neo-USSR...
Are the CIA camps ready already for us?

_________________________

9/11 hijack ’suspects’ alive and well
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/1559151.stm

http://rense.com/general68/poss911.htm

[Marley]

It was Kerry's event, Kerry's supposed to be a leader, presidential material, yet trial under fire, Kerry either wimped out, or wink & nod authorized it.

You all anti-war wackos take note, you're getting a glimpse at the 2008 DNC.

[ViolaLee]

The Questioning Authority law. Nothing stopped those cops from picking the kid up and carrying his ass out of the place. I hope the kid sues them. The cops will be paying his tuition once all is said and done.


That's the law, the QA Law, that gets me banned from political discussion message boards. I never dreamed it would be a problem for me in real life, in the good old USA. Our country has really changed....freedom of speech is dying.

This guy who got tazed can fight back by suing the cops for brutality. They never should have even grabbed him in the first place. He must sue to regain the right to freedom of speech for all of us.

[December]

Watch the full video - http://video.nbc6.net/player/?id=157250


_________________________

9/11 hijack ’suspects’ alive and well
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/1559151.stm

http://rense.com/general68/poss911.htm

[Deadshot]

emale this had nothing to do with Kerry. The kid was, obviously, tazed outside of the lit auditorium.

As to sueing the cops...go ahead. These were campus police and the kid suffered no permanent harm. Again, this IS NOT a Rodney King-like situation.

I won't bet the house, but I will be willing to bet that these officers aren't punished and the kid doesn't get much.

BTW, where are all the people screaming about four or six cops holdin this dude down to get on the cuffs, isn't that brutality - at least in this forum of discussion? Remember, tazering is a non-lethal weapon. Once tazered and your body gets over the initial pain, within an hour, your fine. Each and every cop that uses a tazer, in training to use oneHAS BEEN TAZERED!

So we know it's non-lethal and does not cause permanent damage.

[December]

Our country has really changed....freedom of speech is dying.

The guy was arrested FOR TALKING. This is really the END OF US AS WE KNOW IT.
Welcome to the neo-USSR...

Full video -
http://video.nbc6.net/player/?id=157250

http://www.liveleak.com/player.swf?autostart=false&token=657_1190085332

[Marley]

emale this had nothing to do with Kerry

(snicker) PUH-LEEZ tell me then, what was this event? Who was the attraction?

This was a Kerry event, Kerry witnessed the entire debacle and did NOTHING, "acquieced" to the actions that took place on his behalf.

Echos of Branch Davidan compounds in Waco folks.

Everyone agrees an American was stripped of his rights, by the legal authorities, and Kerry, while witnessing it, in real time, that "battle hardened hero," did NOTHING.

FROZE, deer in headlights.

Or, another equally plausible explaination is the cops were working on Kerry's behalf.

Either way, John Kerry owns the transgressions we're discussing, lock, stock and barrel.

[ViolaLee]

There was no reason to arrest him. I just watched the full video including all of his questions up until they walked him out the door.

He asked about voter suppression, impeaching Bush and Skull and Bones Society, and then they grabbed him.

For what?

[Marley]

For what?

No, for WHO?

Some one gave the order, who?

It was a Kerry event.

Until I'm shown otherwise, it was on Kerry's orders.

Orders, you know, like Navy officers issue? I THINK Kerry served in the Navy, you all can check me on that.

[ViolaLee]

For asking questions?

[micfranklin]

I watched the video and all I saw was a kid in a blue shirt ask a question and then the police just swooped him up. What the hell was that for?

[ViolaLee]

December linked us to the full video, where you can see all of his questions, him being grabbed, roughed up, tazered and led out of the building in handcuffs, all the while asking why am I being arrested, what did I do?

http://video.nbc6.net/player/?id=157250

Emale, you can't just make up a fantasy and tell us unless you're shown differently, that it's a fact. Instead, you must prove that Kerry ordered this to happen. That's the only way anyone here will believe you.

Unless you just want to throw propaganda at us and you don't care if anyone believes you, if that's the case, do as you like ;)

[Marley]

Emale, you can't just make up a fantasy and tell us unless you're shown differently, that it's a fact.

Yes I can.

I just did.

And I'm doing it again.

It was a Kerry event.

Kerry was the most powerful person in the room.

Kerry was physically present and witnessed the transgression.

And Kerry did nothing and allowed an American citizen to be assaulted and robbed of his freedom right in front of him.

That ain't no "fantasy" sweetie, that's a fact.

I guess Kerry couldn't take a poll and have a syncophant advise him what would make him look best as things occurred in real time.

THAT's the kind of "leader" Democrats nominate!

Kerry LET IT HAPPEN and DID NOTHING to stop it -- at all.

Kerry was right there. A REAL battle hardened Naval officer would've taken action. Unless it was all happeneing on his orders.

[Deadshot]

Read the article, CNN - Student Tasered. (http://www.cnn.com/2007/US/09/18/student.tasered.ap/index.html#cnnSTCText)

First for emale and those of his conspiracry ilk. All from the CNN article "As Kerry tells the audience he will answer the student's "very important question, " and then, ""I believe I could have handled the situation without interruption," Kerry said in a statement issued Tuesday, "but again I do not know what warnings or other exchanges transpired between the young man and the police prior to his barging to the front of the line and their intervention.", finally "As two officers take Meyer by the arms, Kerry, D-Massachusetts, is heard to say, "That's alright, let me answer his question."

For those others that ask why...""He apparently asked several questions -- he went on for quite awhile -- then he was asked to stop," university spokesman Steve Orlando said. "He had used his allotted time. His microphone was cut off, then he became upset." and then..."Meyer screams for help and asks "What did I do?" as he tries to break away from officers. He is forced to the ground and officers order him to stop resisting. Meyer says he will walk out if the officers let him go." BTW, you obey the police when they order you to do something, or pay the consequences.

Now I've given you the info, right here in this post, why the dude was in trouble...did you see it? It's right from Kerry's statement "..."but again I do not know what warnings or other exchanges transpired between the young man and the police prior to his barging to the front of the line and their intervention plus "then he was asked to stop," university spokesman Steve Orlando said. "He had used his allotted time. His microphone was cut off, then he became upset

So this student "barged" in front of others to the front of the line, which we don't see on the video; then went beyond the alotted time for questions and wouldn't stop - when asked, also not seen on the video; then resisted arrest by fighting the cops, then when the cops had him down stating "Let me go and I'll walk out with you", that's seen on the tape. The first two are the excuse to escort him out and POSSIBLY arrest him for disorderly, the last one toasts him. If you wanted to just walk out, walk out with the two officers who grabbed your arms, don't fight - just go. But he fought, and paid the price.

Lesson to all, don't fight the cops. Sue them, after the fact, but don't fight them. One last things here, if he does sue the cops, they'll want the video, and witnesses. Those witnesses will testify that a student barged to the front of the line, monopolized the mike, refused to leave, then fought with the people trying to make him leave. I think the cops will be safe on this one...

[Stoner]

It's amazing what people see even when there's video of it. Clearly the kid resisted their attempts to walk on his own outside. When you jerk away from officers (like that moron at the Patreaus event) you will be arrested. And when you resist arrest they will do everything they can including tazering.

It's simple, really. You've never been allowed to resist police officers. Why is it all of a sudden ok in the minds of libs for it to happen?

[Deadshot]

It's amazing what people see even when there's video of it. Clearly the kid resisted their attempts to walk on his own outside. When you jerk away from officers (like that moron at the Patreaus event) you will be arrested. And when you resist arrest they will do everything they can including tazering.

It's simple, really. You've never been allowed to resist police officers. Why is it all of a sudden ok in the minds of libs for it to happen?


HELLO, Liberal Cop here...read above.

[Marley]

"conspiracry ilk????"

I call BS, what desparate rhetoric to try to avoid the truth!!!

IT was Kerry's event, Kerry was there, Kerry watched it happen, and Kerry did NOTHING.

One of two things deperado: Kerry froze, a spineless coward incapable of action when needed, or Kerry authorized it.

[Saigio]

"conspiracry ilk????"

I call BS, what desparate rhetoric to try to avoid the truth!!!

IT was Kerry's event, Kerry was there, Kerry watched it happen, and Kerry did NOTHING.

One of two things deperado: Kerry froze, a spineless coward incapable of action when needed, or Kerry authorized it.


What would you expect anyone else to do in the situation?
Would you be touting how heroic he was if he lept to the kids defense?
Would you be spouting the same madness if Bush was the one on the stage and someone was asking him a question and then got dragged away?

[Stoner]

Let me chime in on the Kerry situation. Why is Kerry being potrayed as responsible for this? Why are people expecting him to be the one to handle the situation? That's what cops are for. Kerry was there to speak and answer questions. Nothing more. It's not his job to interfere with police business. Police handle police business...period.

Can't believe I just defended John Kerry. I need a drink.

[Questerr]

"conspiracry ilk????"

I call BS, what desparate rhetoric to try to avoid the truth!!!

IT was Kerry's event, Kerry was there, Kerry watched it happen, and Kerry did NOTHING.

One of two things deperado: Kerry froze, a spineless coward incapable of action when needed, or Kerry authorized it.


emale, I just want to know something:

if the exact same circumstance occured at a Bush event (ie kid asks a questions, refuses to leave, gets tazered, Bush does nothing) would that mean Bush ordered it ans was responsible?

[micfranklin]

It's amazing what people see even when there's video of it. Clearly the kid resisted their attempts to walk on his own outside. When you jerk away from officers (like that moron at the Patreaus event) you will be arrested. And when you resist arrest they will do everything they can including tazering.

It's simple, really. You've never been allowed to resist police officers. Why is it all of a sudden ok in the minds of libs for it to happen?


Yeah that's true and all, but why exactly was the kid arrested by the cops in the first place?

[ViolaLee]

Emale, you can't just make up a fantasy and tell us unless you're shown differently, that it's a fact.

Yes I can.

I just did.

And I'm doing it again.

It was a Kerry event.

Kerry was the most powerful person in the room.

Kerry was physically present and witnessed the transgression.

And Kerry did nothing and allowed an American citizen to be assaulted and robbed of his freedom right in front of him.

That ain't no "fantasy" sweetie, that's a fact.

I guess Kerry couldn't take a poll and have a syncophant advise him what would make him look best as things occurred in real time.

THAT's the kind of "leader" Democrats nominate!

Kerry LET IT HAPPEN and DID NOTHING to stop it -- at all.

Kerry was right there. A REAL battle hardened Naval officer would've taken action. Unless it was all happeneing on his orders.
And all of this I can agree with, except that for this election we have a much better choice of candidates, and Kerry is not our leader.

But we were talking about your fantasy that Kerry ordered it to happen.

[Stoner]

Yeah that's true and all, but why exactly was the kid arrested by the cops in the first place?


From the looks of the video, resisting arrest.

Mic, watch this video with a different angle. Watch the kid jerk away from the officers right when they get to the door. It happens at the 26 second mark. That is clearly resisting arrest.

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=3ec_1190097717&p=1

[Deadshot]

It's amazing what people see even when there's video of it. Clearly the kid resisted their attempts to walk on his own outside. When you jerk away from officers (like that moron at the Patreaus event) you will be arrested. And when you resist arrest they will do everything they can including tazering.

It's simple, really. You've never been allowed to resist police officers. Why is it all of a sudden ok in the minds of libs for it to happen?


Yeah that's true and all, but why exactly was the kid arrested by the cops in the first place?



Read my post and link above. He was asked to leave because he:
A. Jumped the line, "barged to the front."
B. Did not stop when asked

A + B = Disorderly conduct

C. Fought against the police

C = resisting arrest.

According to CNN, link above, he was arrested for Disorderly Conduct and Resisting Arrest.

[ViolaLee]

...........................

[Marley]

emale, I just want to know something:

if the exact same circumstance occured at a Bush event (ie kid asks a questions, refuses to leave, gets tazered, Bush does nothing) would that mean Bush ordered it ans was responsible?

EXACTLY!

You know damned well if that was GWB at the podium my leftist friends would be placing the blame at the top.

Remember how Janet Reno "took responsibility" for the Branch Davidians at Waco? What exactlty did she ultimately "take?"

Really, this is the same thing, down the spectyum of intensity a bit, we may surely be seeing "cowboy" cops like those ATF agents, and the leadership, again, either secretly authorizing it, or deer in headlights unable to lead and command.[hr]No, why did the police TOUCH him in the first place?

Kerry's people ordered it!

Or some one did, who?

[Deadshot]

emale, you can't even convince a staunch Republican/Conservative like Stoner. Give it up.

Police acted on their SOP and orders from the Campus Admin. Kerry didn't come into play.

As to Bush taking some heat, I doubt it. The Secret Service would have been quicker and smarter then these cops.

[heyjude]

I am a retired nurse. I once worked with the mentally ill. We were not allowed to assault our patients. Of course not. I and one or two other women have controlled the craziest people without striking them, or in any way harming them. It is illegal. We would have been sent to prison.

I have never been able to understand why six large men cannot control one person, male or female without physically attacking them. And, because my son is a police officer, I know that the police assault handcuffed, shackled people. My father once witnessed such an assault, and was told by the police that if he interfered, they would arrest him.

In Portland, Ore., one year ago, several policemen beat an unarmed, mentally ill person to death. They claimed they were protecting themselves and only did what they had to. I want to know...... Why don't the nurses and aides that care for the mentally ill get to beat them to death?

[micfranklin]

Yeah that's true and all, but why exactly was the kid arrested by the cops in the first place?


From the looks of the video, resisting arrest.

Mic, watch this video with a different angle. Watch the kid jerk away from the officers right when they get to the door. It happens at the 26 second mark. That is clearly resisting arrest.

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=3ec_1190097717&p=1


Okay I saw it.

I can understand fighting the police and all. I honestly don't think they needed to arrest him for simply cutting through the line, but oh well.

[ViolaLee]

I just wish enthusiastic people were allowed to ask questions of a government official without being thrown on the floor and tazered.

[Marley]

Kerry didn't come into play.

Fine, deer in headlights it is!

Kinda inconsitent behavior for an alleged "War hero."

Not exactly a man of action huh?[hr]I just wish enthusiastic people were allowed to ask questions of a government official without being thrown on the floor and tazered.

Never happened to Cindee Sheehan, did it?

But this a Democrat being questioned!

[Deadshot]

I just wish enthusiastic people were allowed to ask questions of a government official without being thrown on the floor and tazered.



Viola, he DID ask some questions, he just wouldn't stop, when asked.

He didn't just step up to the mike and 30 seconds later, BOOM!

C'mon, see the forest for the trees, don't be like emale.

[ViolaLee]

I just wish enthusiastic people were allowed to ask questions of a government official without being thrown on the floor and tazered.



Viola, he DID ask some questions, he just wouldn't stop, when asked.

He didn't just step up to the mike and 30 seconds later, BOOM!

C'mon, see the forest for the trees, don't be like emale.
Hey man, that's a MAJOR insult. :blah: But I'll forgive you. You're going to see the cop's side, being a cop. I see the protestor, the radical, the outspoken liberal, the Constitution loving citizen's side of it.

They guy was annoying. But he should have been left alone and not grabbed, roughed up, tazered and arrested.

He wouldn't stop talking, when asked.

If that was a crime, I'd have a life sentence.

:shock:

[Marley]

If that was a crime, I'd have a life sentence

The facts bear out that it's only a crime to do it to Democrats.

Keep being a good little sheeple and you'll be just fine!

[Stoner]

They guy was annoying. But he should have been left alone and not grabbed, roughed up, tazered and arrested.



Right. They should have let him go on and on and on and on and on and on and on for as long as he wanted. No rules or guidelines...just let the people at the speech do whatever they want. Forget abour order. Just make it a free-for-all.

No, the cops acted fine. Did absolutely nothing wrong.

[Marley]

They should have let him go on and on and on and on and on and on and on for as long as he wanted. No rules or guidelines...just let the people at the speech do whatever they want. Forget abour order. Just make it a free-for-all.

Like Camp Casey.

[Deadshot]

They guy was annoying. But he should have been left alone and not grabbed, roughed up, tazered and arrested.



Right. They should have let him go on and on and on and on and on and on and on for as long as he wanted. No rules or guidelines...just let the people at the speech do whatever they want. Forget abour order. Just make it a free-for-all.

No, the cops acted fine. Did absolutely nothing wrong.


Stoner's right Viola. It reads like you believe that the guy could have gone to the mike and simply fillibustered either reading Betty Crocker's cookbook or asking great questions for hours, ignoring all rules, and should be left alone.

We are a country of laws and rules. This guy broke them, they shut off his mic - asked him to stop - and he still was blathering. Should he have been allowed to simply interupt the Q&A until Kerry simply left because this was the only guy allowed to speak?

What would you do Viola? I'm at the mic, I pushed my way in front of others to get there, you (I'm putting you in charge here) set the length for questions at 5 minutes a person to give everyone a chance to SPEAK, and I simply won't stop. At minute 7 you ask me to stop, minute 9 you cut the mic, at minute 10 I'm still talking, yelling, to get my point acrossed and simply won't stop.

You have police there...what do you do? Allow me to go on another minute or hour disrupting the gathering, or do you stop me?

[Marley]

(I'm putting you in charge here)

LOL Exactly!!!

Kerry could've managed the situation...if he was capable.

The guy can't handle a room with a few dozen kids, he surely is/was not POTUS material.

Well, no, thinking of Waco again, this went down exactly how Democrat presidents do it.

[Deadshot]

How do you add someone to your ignore list?

[Marley]

Facts trouble you huh?

It's difficult for you to craft language that ignores the plain facts, isn't it?

Picking out where you're unable to hide the truth of the matter is very entertaining, and rewarding.

But watching you left with nothing but desparate personal attacks is priceless!

Kerry couldn't handle that kid.

Kerry couldn't handle those cops.

Or Kerry was the commander of those cops and did indeed handle that kid -- the way Democrats handle dissent.

[Deadshot]

Ah, I figured it out. Now, having added my first person to ignore, we can have a civl, intelligent discussion of the topic at hand...:bye:emale

[Marley]

They say ignorance is bliss!

While I can imagine that's accurate, it's the willfullness that gets me.

[heyjude]

Anarchists are weird people. The cops did the right thing until they tasered him. There were enough of them to control him. They use tasers because they can, and people like the jerk at the mic make it easy.

[preservanation]

I found it interesting that Kerry stood there useless and mute while all this was going on.
Being a celebrated protester himself, I would have thought Kerry (served in Viet Nam) would have stood up for the activist, and against the jack booted "fascist pigs". Instead he stood by, impotent.
Man, what an inefectual elitist fop.
Big war hero my Aunt Fanny.

[Marley]

Shhhhhhhhhh!

Liberals can't handle truth, they have to "ignore" you!

The video doesn't lie.

It indeed shows "impotence," and an "inefectual elitist fop."

It was Kerry's show and he couldn't handle it!

Some stand up comic wearing out the interstate in a Saturn wagon for $100 a gig is more capable that John Kerry at being POTUS.

Orrrrrrrr, he DID handle it, as we all witnessed.

SOME ONE gave the order to make a move.

I almost wish some yahoo would get this exact same treatment at a GWB event within a day or so so I can enjoy the usual suspects doing a 180.

[preservanation]

The student was genuinely shocked at his treatment, and I don't necessarily blame him. Students feel somewhat isolated when in college and expect to be able to express themselves and participate in the free exchange of ideas without force being inflicted upon them.
Oh well, welcome to the real world, maybe just a little sooner than he would have liked.

When the Popo first descended upon this guy, you can hear Kerry in a little mousy effeminate voice, chirp "I'll answer his question", then he went running for the safety of Terressa's skirt.
Man, this nation dodged a bullet when we defeated this guy in 04.

[December]

THE STUDENT WAS ARRESTED SIMPLY FOR SPEAKING...

We need to fight!
Don't let them build the neo-USSR in America!

http://www.liveleak.com/player.swf?autostart=false&token=657_1190085332

http://video.nbc6.net/player/?id=157250

[Labrocca]

A) Kid was asked to stop distrupting or he would be removed
B) Kid continues disruption
C) Kid resists removal
D) Kid is under arrest
E) Kid resists arrest

Classic story of a kid acting stupid and now could face jail and/or fines. The proof AGAINST him is in the tape. Sorry but once cops begin to escort you or give you commands you follow them.

And for anyone discussing about WHY cops need to taser people it's for THEIR protection. Tasers are effective in stopping a person from resisting arrest even further which could lead to an assualt on the officers charge. Better to get Tased in the heat of the moment then to accidentally lash out at an officer and face assault charges.

Tasing sucks BUT it's one of the best and most effective ways police can subdue a person. Watch the video a few times. He is a large guy and resisting.

[preservanation]

THE STUDENT WAS ARRESTED SIMPLY FOR SPEAKING...

We need to fight!
Don't let them build the neo-USSR in America!



In the 60's my guess is that the rest of the students would have stood up and descended upon the police.
We are raising a bunch of pansy assed wimps in this nation.
I blame the US Gov. Educational system.

[potter]

Free speech..what a horrible horrible thing to happen, on a college campus no less. The young republicans must have been wetting their britches in fear.

[December]

A) Kid was asked to stop distrupting or he would be removed
B) Kid continues disruption
C) Kid resists removal
D) Kid is under arrest
E) Kid resists arrest



Sounds like you didn't watch the video.

The student was allowed to speak, but he was pushed away from the microphone for asking about the Skull and Bones.
And by the way, the even took place inside the university and not inside a bar.

This is what was going on in the former USSR.
DON'T LET THE NEOCONS TO BUILD THE NEO-USSR IN AMERICA!

http://www.liveleak.com/player.swf?autostart=false&token=657_1190085332

http://video.nbc6.net/player/?id=157250

[potter]

THE STUDENT WAS ARRESTED SIMPLY FOR SPEAKING...

We need to fight!
Don't let them build the neo-USSR in America!



In the 60's my guess is that the rest of the students would have stood up and descended upon the police.
We are raising a bunch of pansy assed wimps in this nation.
I blame the US Gov. Educational system.



Yup...and six security guards couldn't take down ONE student without a taz? PUSSIES!

[preservanation]

You and I agree on this Dec.
It looked to me as if he was forced away from the mic first.
Then, after that he resisted.
The popo made the first move in response to SPEACH!
Shocking[hr]


THE STUDENT WAS ARRESTED SIMPLY FOR SPEAKING...

We need to fight!
Don't let them build the neo-USSR in America!



In the 60's my guess is that the rest of the students would have stood up and descended upon the police.
We are raising a bunch of pansy assed wimps in this nation.
I blame the US Gov. Educational system.



Yup...and six security guards couldn't take down ONE student without a taz? PUSSIES!

Double yup.
The police had him subdued.
I agree with the use of tasers, but not in the situation I witnessed on that tape.
I hope this incident opens peoples eyes to how when the Gov is allowed to abuse....it does.
Stop allowing them to do so.
Don't even give them the chance by ceding our rights to them so they can dole them back out to us as they see fit.

[exigent]

Why couldnt they drag him outside the auditorium first?

[ViolaLee]

We agree Preservanation. They used excessive force in a situation that didn't even need any action to be taken at all.

Freedom of speech is in jeopardy in these days of constitutional violations around every corner.[hr]
Why couldnt they drag him outside the auditorium first?

Why did they even have to?

[exigent]

Why did they even have to?



Indeed. But if they wanted to remove him for whatever reason, then remove him...then cuff/beat/taze etc him...

[lily]

Well, if he was doing it as a practicle joke I don't think he's doing much laughing now......well maybe because it seems he's become famous! I hope he enjoys his 15 minutes and the tazering was worth it. (http://www.cnn.com/2007/US/09/18/student.tasered.ap/index.html?eref=rss_topstories)

The story
A university student with a history of taping his own practical jokes was
Tasered by campus police and arrested after loudly and repeatedly trying to
ask U.S. Senator John Kerry questions during a campus forum.

Andrew Meyer, 21, spent a night in jail before his release Tuesday morning.
His attorney, Robert Griscti, did not return messages seeking comment.

Videos of the Monday night incident, posted on several Web sites and played
repeatedly on television news, show officers pulling Meyer away from the
microphone after he asks Kerry about impeaching President Bush and whether
he and Bush were both members of the secret society Skull and Bones at Yale
University.

[underdawg]

I found the video very disturbing. This kid no matter how passionate or manic he seemed, he had a right to speak. He may have been asked to stop, but Kerry kept responding to him saying he would answer his question. The police should have backed off. From what I saw I think there was absolutely no need for the police to have jumped in like that. Had the police waited just a few more moments I think things would have turned out just fine. When it comes to free speech, I think the police should be a bit more tolerant. He didn't have a weapon other than his voice.

I certainly do not think the kid should have been tasered. I think the police should be taught to use diplomacy instead of grabbing an unarmed man first. Since Kerry was saying he would answer the kids questions, the police should have at least waited till Kerry answered him before dragging him away.

I also think that Kerry was also responsible. He should have spoken out against the police since he was the one who told the kid he would answer his question. By Kerry saying that, it prompted the kid to continue talking. Kerry looked like a wimp by not sticking up for the kid.

[ViolaLee]

Kerry couldn't have spoken out, it would have been stupid for him to do so. He has to assume the police have more information than he has. Any public personality would be an idiot to stop the authorities from protecting him.

These were campus police. The campus authorities are responsible for this, not John Kerry.

Meanwhile, there has been no news about any other reason for the abuse to this student, other than speaking too long or asking the wrong questions.

Police brutality.

Freedom of speech, constitutional violation.[hr]Justice is coming.

Two University of Florida police officers have been placed on leave with pay after using an electronic stun gun to subdue a student who was questioning Sen. John Kerry at a campus forum, the school's president said Tuesday.

The Florida Division of Law Enforcement will investigate Monday's arrest of student Andrew Meyer, said J. Bernard Machen. Machen called the incident "regretful for us."

"The thing that I regret is that civil dialogue and civil discourse did not happen," Machen said. "That's fundamental to a university campus. Why it didn't happen is what we're trying to sort out." http://www.cnn.com/2007/US/09/18/student.tasered/index.html?eref=rss_topstories

[underdawg]

Kerry is not even the president yet looked what happened. Bush is such a wimp that he has to screen everyone that goes to his speeches. He would never answer a tough question nor even let someone ask him one for that matter in a public area. It seems so sad that our elected officials feel the need to be shielded from answering tough questions that they must resort to screening the audience or having police that over react to someone wanting to ask a few questions.

[ViolaLee]

Underdawg, these were campus police, not John Kerry's private body guards.

[ViolaLee]

I understand that, but I doubt the campus police are on the skull and bones payroll, so I don't think that has anything to do with it.

Meanwhile two campus police have been put on leave for tasering him.

So it was not appropriate action after all, just as we thought.

[BoogyMan]

This has nothing to do with a student being tasered for asking questions.


He wasn't tasered for asking question Viola, he was tasered for resisting the police.

Let's at least be honest about why he was tasered whether or not you approve of the action.

On Edit:
Something to consider Viola, is that those officers were put on paid leave pending investigation. I don't think you can make a call on whether their action was appropriate based on this action.

[Labrocca]

officers were put on paid leave pending investigation.


Hmm..seems like a reward for a job well done imho.

[Labrocca]

Yup...and six security guards couldn't take down ONE student without a taz? PUSSIES!


Would you rather the police break his arm trying to arrest him?

The kid wasn't that small. Notice the rather large black cop coming in and having to wrestle with the asshole. He is resisting 100%. He screams "don't touch me". That's bullshit. You can't tell that to cops while they are arresting you. He is screaming, pulling, and jerking. The next action could have resulted in someone getting seriously hurt. A taser stings like a bitch but creates no permanent damage.

BANG...did you guys see the WHOLE video.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=SaiWCS10C5s

The kid is being an asshole. He is using the mic to speak his garbage. He is asking no real questions.

BUSTED.

And at first it appears the kid is not under arrest and that they are escorting him from the building. I don't hear anyone telling him he is under arrest.

He went on and on and on and didn't give Kerry any chance to respond. He just wanted to create a situation and he did. Asswipe got what he deserved.

[Labrocca]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7NWukZhsiBw

haha...this is awesome...this is AFTER he is removed from the room. The kid is a NUT. He thinks the cops are gonna kill him and hand him over to the goverment.

He doesn't even want to give his name. What a jerk.

[ViolaLee]

That's bullshit. He was treated with police brutality. There was no reason to taser him. There was no reason to escort him out. There was no reason to touch him in the first place. Kerry was getting ready to answer his questions. The police made the wrong decision. They should have left him alone to listen to the answers.

[lily]

Kerry couldn't have spoken out, it would have been stupid for him to do so. He has to assume the police have more information than he has. Any public personality would be an idiot to stop the authorities from protecting him.

....yet Kerry kept on talking and answering his question, so obviously he didn't feel like he was in danger. Sorry Viola, I stand by my original statement........Kerry could have done something.

[ViolaLee]

He didn't cause the scene, the police caused the scene. There would have been no drama if they left him alone.

He was just tasered, do you think he was clear-headed?

Get real.

[underdawg]

I wonder if people talking too long during their acceptence speeches during the Oscars should be tackled by the police as well. This kid did not threaten anyone, he did not try to excite a riot, he did not show a weapon, just because someone is speeking with passion or even jibberish does not warrent having the police manhandle someone from speaking. Now if this young man had threatened someone or pulled a weapon then the police should have responded, but he did not do anything of the sort. This could have been handled much differently.

[ViolaLee]

Kerry couldn't have spoken out, it would have been stupid for him to do so. He has to assume the police have more information than he has. Any public personality would be an idiot to stop the authorities from protecting him.

....yet Kerry kept on talking and answering his question, so obviously he didn't feel like he was in danger. Sorry Viola, I stand by my original statement........Kerry could have done something.


Lily, I work for famous people. Famous people don't tell the police to stop handling someone in the crowd. The famous person has no idea what's going on or what the police know about the person they are handling. Kerry can't do something about this. That would be very foolish of him. What if the guy was a psycho and the police had just been given information that he was planning to blow up the building? Kerry has no idea what's going on. He can't stop it.

The police were not under Kerry's authority. He has no authority to tell them to stop. They were not his body guards. They are campus police.[hr]
I wonder if people talking too long during their acceptence speeches during the Oscars should be tackled by the police as well. This kid did not threaten anyone, he did not try to excite a riot, he did not show a weapon, just because someone is speeking with passion or even jibberish does not warrent having the police manhandle someone from speaking. Now if this young man had threatened someone or pulled a weapon then the police should have responded, but he did not do anything of the sort. This could have been handled much differently.

Exactly right. There was no reason for them to touch him after they turned off his mic. They could have let Kerry answer his questions.

The police went way overboard. He has to sue, to keep our freedom of speech in tact.

[underdawg]

I think Kerry could have said something. Kerry had a microphone. He could have spoken out because it was he who kept telling the young man that he would try to answer his questions. No, Kerry didn't have control over the police, but being a big public figure could have made a difference had he spoken up.

[lily]

Lily, I work for famous people. Famous people don't tell the police to stop handling someone in the crowd. The famous person has no idea what's going on or what the police know about the person they are handling. Kerry can't do something about this. That would be very foolish of him. What if the guy was a psycho and the police had just been given information that he was planning to blow up the building? Kerry has no idea what's going on. He can't stop it.

Viola, my point since the second post on this thread is Kerry didn't feel uncomfortable enough to stop talking or leave the stage. If he didn't feel threatened enough to do either of those, he should have stopped the police from at the very least tazering him and at the most, tell them to let him talk......he did neither and watching the longer vidoes of this, and this kids record of practicle jokes and the way he was resisting, just confirms my belief that he got what he deserved. If you don't do what the police tell you......then you pay the consequenses.

No one was stopping his right to free speech, as other articles here have shown. He stepped in front of other people, he took more than the allotted time. If I didn't know better, I would think he wanted the publicity he is getting.......and probably tons of dates to boot!

[December]

And why my post about skull and Bones was deleted?

The student was speaking to Kerry who was answering his questions.
But right at the moment when the student asked about Kerry's membership in the Skull and Bones he was PUSHED AWAY from a microphone by police.
Watch it again -

http://video.nbc6.net/player/?id=157250


(CBS) As opposite as George Bush and John Kerry may seem to be, they do share a common secret - one they've shared for decades, and one they will not share with the electorate.

The secret: details of their membership in Skull and Bones, the elite Yale University society whose members include some of the most powerful men of the 20th century.

Bones is not restricted to the Republican Party. Yet another Bonesman has his eye on the Oval Office: Senator John Kerry, Democrat, Skull & Bones 1966.

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2003/10/02/60minutes/main576332.shtml

Skull and Bones 1947, with George H.W. Bush just left of clock
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Skull_and_Bones

[preservanation]

The more I think about this the more it bothers me.

Kerry aside.
The campus police restrained that boy for SPEACH on an American campus.
Not only that but all those students stood by and did nothing.
Some of them even CHEERED the cops.
What's happening to our youth?

Cops did this sort of stuff in the 60's and students fought back, because they new their rights and freedoms were being challenged and taken away.
They fought back because they understood how important those things are.

We have raised a generation of sheep and we will all ultimately pay the price for their ignorance and apathy.
Shame.
Somethings are worth fighting for.

[Labrocca]

Watching it over and over again...it's obvious the kid was being rude. He was asked to ASK A QUESTION...yet he doesn't. Instead he is going on and on and on about nothing.

The crowd CHEERS when they begin to get the kid out. He was being disruptive. This is certainly NOT a freedom of speech issue. It's about disrupting a PRIVATE event. The University I am sure PAID Kerry to be there as a speaker.

Whiny police brutality crap.

How would everyone here like it if December was able to hijack every thread with his posts about conspiracies? Certainly it would be disruptive. The kid had ONE plan...to go there and to cause a problem.

And December...your post is inside FP. We don't need a history lesson on Skull and Bones in this thread. Your copy and paste responses aren't appreciated.

[preservanation]

I understand your point Labrocca and that was my initial reaction too.
I am willing to wager that the charges will be dropped.
The other student's apathy at the time (I understand now they are all screaming bloody murder, after the fact) is what really perplexed me.
They stood there scared stiff and eerily silent.
Disturbing.[hr]I Find myself in Dec's corner on this one.
He was being refused his right to speak through force.
A Fascist display, IMO

[underdawg]

I just think this could have been handled a lot better than it was. I think the police should have waited a bit longer. I think this kid should have been taken aside by the school and repremanded for being rude, but it should have happened after the speech by Kerry. It wouldn't have hurt to let the kid hear Kerry's response. I do believe that the police over reacted in this circumstance.

[preservanation]

At least one good thing has already come out of this incident.
"Don't Taze Me Bro!" has now entered the popular lexicon!
LOL, I love it!

[Labrocca]

He was being refused his right to speak through force.

No..he wasn't. He was refused the right to disrupt a private event.

] think this kid should have been taken aside by the school and repremanded for being rude, but it should have happened after the speech by Kerry.

I think that's what they were gonna do. I also think they were asking him for ID so they can give him a ticket and send him on his way. And how long do you allow the kid to go on and on and on before you cut him off? 2 minutes? 5 minutes? 20 minutes? This is John Kerry whom I am sure was paid for his valuable time.

The kid was just using the mic as a podium. He was told quickly to ask a question. Instead he chose to RANT. He was given ample time to ask a specific question. It was clear and plain he had no intention of shutting up until he was stopped.

[underdawg]

From what I heard there was no limit given as to how long someone could ask a question at this particular event. From what I heard from interviews from other student on tv, the police were harrassing certain students before they were allowed to speak. The more I see the more I am convinced that the police over reacted.

[Labrocca]

The more I see the more I am convinced that the police over reacted.

Could be...and there is certainly enough evidence and witnesses that people smarter than us can judge the situation.

From what I heard from interviews from other student on tv, the police were harrassing certain students before they were allowed to speak.

I find that hard to believe given the cheers that erupted when they tried to take this clown away. Is it possible that Kerry was short on time and they wanted to speed things along? Possibly give each person a brief time period to ask their question.

[ViolaLee]

I watched the different camera angles and the long videos and I keep seeing the same thing. He might have been an annoying jerk, but he really didn't talk for that long. He asked his questions and they cut his mic and then they grabbed him.

It was all unnecessary. They could have just let him listen to Kerry's answers. I think they jumped the gun. I think there should have been more assholio-ness on his part before they grabbed him. If he refused to listen to the answers Kerry gave, and interrupted him while he was answering, then he would deserve to be escorted out. But from what I saw, he didn't deserve what he got.[hr]And by the way......

Does John Kerry have worst luck ever or what?

[underdawg]

I have been to speeches given at colleges before and I don't understand why there has to be such a police presence. I do not think that the questions asked by this kid warrent having to be arrested. It doesn't matter whether people cheered or not. People will cheer someone who is threatening to jump from a roof. If you can't ask questions freely at college then something is really wrong with this country. Private event or not, this is college. Students are supposed to question authority. The police accused him of inciting a riot and disturbing the peace. If asking a question is concidered disturbing the peace then our freedoms are in trouble in this country.

[BoogyMan]

There is a huge difference in questioning authority and claiming authority though underdawg, which is what this young man did when he refused the adminition of the police and then became physical.

[Labrocca]

They could have just let him listen to Kerry's answers

If the kid wanted to hear Kerry's answers he would have STFU and let him answer one. He was being disruptive and again..he wasn't under arrest until he resisted being escorted out.

[underdawg]

As I see it this young man was exercizing his right to free speech. The police grabbed him first. They should have waited until after Kerry answered his question. If the kid had still been disruptive after that , then they should have acted. Timing is everything.

[BoogyMan]

As I see it this young man was exercizing his right to free speech. The police grabbed him first. They should have waited until after Kerry answered his question. If the kid had still been disruptive after that , then they should have acted. Timing is everything.


There is going to be an investigation and we will see soon enough whether or not the school finds fault with the officers.

[Stoner]

It does amaze me that even with video people can see something completely opposite of what really happened.

This is why guilty people go free in our courts. There's always some dumbass on the jury that sees everything backwards.

And you want to know how stupid jurors are? They're so stupid they couldn't even come up with a good enough reason to get off of jury duty. :thumbsup:

[Labrocca]

As I see it this young man was exercizing his right to free speech.

So why not express your own free speech at the next congressional meeting? I hope you get my point. It was a private event. He might have the right to speak but they certainly have a right to kick his ass out.

The "freedom of speech" excuse isn't gonna hold water in any court. Imagine you go into a court and try to speak out like this. How long before the judge has you arrested? You can't just go anywhere and say whatever you want. You simply can't.

[Stoner]

There's a very distinct line between freedom of speech and disturbing the peace. He made an ass out of himself, was asked to leave, didn't, resisted the escort outside and then resisted arrest. And when you resist arrest getting tazered is part of SOP.

End of story.

[ViolaLee]

They guy was annoying. But he should have been left alone and not grabbed, roughed up, tazered and arrested.



Right. They should have let him go on and on and on and on and on and on and on for as long as he wanted. No rules or guidelines...just let the people at the speech do whatever they want. Forget abour order. Just make it a free-for-all.

No, the cops acted fine. Did absolutely nothing wrong.


Stoner's right Viola. It reads like you believe that the guy could have gone to the mike and simply fillibustered either reading Betty Crocker's cookbook or asking great questions for hours, ignoring all rules, and should be left alone.

We are a country of laws and rules. This guy broke them, they shut off his mic - asked him to stop - and he still was blathering. Should he have been allowed to simply interupt the Q&A until Kerry simply left because this was the only guy allowed to speak?

What would you do Viola? I'm at the mic, I pushed my way in front of others to get there, you (I'm putting you in charge here) set the length for questions at 5 minutes a person to give everyone a chance to SPEAK, and I simply won't stop. At minute 7 you ask me to stop, minute 9 you cut the mic, at minute 10 I'm still talking, yelling, to get my point acrossed and simply won't stop.

You have police there...what do you do? Allow me to go on another minute or hour disrupting the gathering, or do you stop me?


His mic was cut at one minute and 40 seconds. They didn't wait to see if he would listen to Kerry's answers. They just took him out.

I don't see any evidence of him pushing in front of others to get to the mic. Do you have a source for that?

http://www.liveleak.com/player.swf?autostart=false&token=657_1190085332

[ttriber]

This is exactly what I find pretty ironic most of the Liberals are all over this episode but when Code Pink and move-on.org put outright false lies out in the public it is praised ,but this guy can walk into an auditorium get tasered and their is a hooplah about it from the Libs but when their is Iraqi Vets who say they want to keep on fighting they get booed and hammered by these same people.

[ViolaLee]

What would you do Viola? I'm at the mic, I pushed my way in front of others to get there, you (I'm putting you in charge here) set the length for questions at 5 minutes a person to give everyone a chance to SPEAK, and I simply won't stop.


Here is another angle (very shaky cameraman) but it shows that he did not push in front of anyone and was waiting his turn in line to ask his questions.

He didn't speak for 5 minutes. He spoke for 1 minute 40 seconds and was grabbed.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TIYTJ75U4NU&mode=related&search=

[Labrocca]

Kerry asks "so what's the question" which prompted the policewoman behind him to get to it.

He obviously doesn't and become beligerent.

Also...does anyone else find it suspicious how many amateur recordings there are?

Seriously kids do a lot of stupid stunts nowadays just for notoriety. If they can be popular on youtube they will do just about anything.

BINGO

Watch the video Viola pointed out.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TIYTJ75U4NU

Notice that some guy prompts the policewoman to intercede. Is that an official from the school perhaps? Maybe he is a bodyguard for Kerry. He is certainly a person of interest. hehe

Look at the video at 1:32...you will see the guy flag someone in the back to cut his mic. I have a feeling the guy is either secret service or was a school official. So he was being KICKED OUT and resisted. The cops were well within their rights to remove him. He was NOT within his rights to resist. The cop was NOT arresting him immediately. He was being escorted out.

[Labrocca]

Hey Dang..would you rather they pull out their guns and shoot him to comply? Exactly what do you think the police should do in a situation where a person is not responding to command. Let them go?

Unreal you calling another member a liar in that manner. Very uncivil.

[ViolaLee]

Notice that some guy prompts the policewoman to intercede. Is that an official from the school perhaps? Maybe he is a bodyguard for Kerry. He is certainly a person of interest. hehe

Look at the video at 1:32...you will see the guy flag someone in the back to cut his mic. I have a feeling the guy is either secret service or was a school official. So he was being KICKED OUT and resisted. The cops were well within their rights to remove him. He was NOT within his rights to resist. The cop was NOT arresting him immediately. He was being escorted out.



I looked for them, but I did not see those things.

[Labrocca]

I looked for them, but I did not see those things.


Here is when he is first told to ask a question...the guy is clearly indicating to the officer.
[attachment=267]

Here is the moment he waves to the back probably to cut the mic.
[attachment=268]

Watch the video again...closely.

If that guy has authority as a school official OR as a Kerry bodyguard (possibly secret service) then the police were WELL WITHIN THEIR DUTY to kick the kid out.

Does this change anything for you? The assumption from many here is that the kids free-speech rights were violated. Sorry but this isn't anything to do with free-speech. He was being escorted out..resisted...and was arrested for resisting. Had he gone quietly I am convinced he would not be arrested.

The police were doing their duty and nothing more. The woman wasn't being overzealous.

[DANG]

Hey Dang..would you rather they pull out their guns and shoot him to comply? Yes, that is EXACTLY what they should have done. If he had a gun.
On the other hand, If they guy was buried under 5 or 6 pigs, they should have walked him to the door and told him he doesnt deserve any steenking answers. Answers that shouldnt have to be asked 3 years later.... We should have Kenneth Blackwells head on a pike by now.

Exactly what do you think the police should do in a situation where a person is not responding to command. Let them go? The man was unlawfully interrupted. His freedom of speech was impugned. The pigs should have been arrested. (I see they have been given a paid vacation. Bullshit!)

Unreal you calling another member a liar in that manner. Very uncivil.Whats the alternative? If hes a cop... they dont warn them how deadly they are? That would be ignorance... I left that door open for him.
If he slept through that particular "in service" that would also be ignorance. Its either a lie or ignorance.

No?

Edit to add:
If I am wrong I will apologize.

[Anti-Racism]

The emperor does not REALLY control the praetorian guard.


The cops are afraid if they don't end it quickly, they'll get blamed for the fracas, so they try to subdue him and then he pisses them off, out comes the taser...

The kid is trying to get himself in the papers so he can launch a career in politics or journalism. He doesn't really care he got tased, and he deserved it for being a selfish moron.

[ViolaLee]

Labrocca, if the man motioned to cut the mic and advised the campus police to take the guy out, they made a mistake in doing so.

He was clearly no threat and just wanted his questions answered.

They were uncomfortable questions. But this is the USA. This is not China, Iran, North Korea. This is a country where we have rights. This happens in other countries all the time. Check Amnesty International. This isn't supposed to happen here.

You were wrong when you said he cut in front of the line. You were wrong when you said he spoke for 5 minutes. You may be wrong about the man you see in that blurry video who you think is motioning for the police to remove him.

[crimzonsol]

So let me get this strait, there has been 13 pages of debate on cops making a mistake?
So what the cops made a mistake, I fail to see what there is to argue about, I guess maybe wether it was justified, but that is a matter of opinion and perspective. How can you argue about that for 13 pages? This is insane, you are argueing over wether or not a split second decision was justified or not. People you need to remember that there job is to serve and protect, if they felt that this was protecting someone and it is an isolated event, who cares?

[ViolaLee]

Who cares?

People that cherish and love the US constitution.

That's who cares.

With a post like that, perhaps you should take that Ben Franklin quote out of your signature. You don't seem to agree with it.

[crimzonsol]

So an isolated event that happened due to an err in judgement is now an attack on the constitution?
This is not an attack on the constitution because it was an unorganized isolated event.

[Labrocca]

You were wrong when you said he cut in front of the line. You were wrong when you said he spoke for 5 minutes.

I was never wrong about those things because I never stated them. Don't confuse me with someone else.

Labrocca, if the man motioned to cut the mic and advised the campus police to take the guy out, they made a mistake in doing so.

Exactly how are they wrong. Explain to me how asking police to kick someone out that you don't want around wrong. Are you saying I can't call the police to have someone removed from my house I don't want there? Let's hear this one.

He was clearly no threat and just wanted his questions answered.

Clearly? No..not clearly. How do you know he wasn't a threat? And I 100% do NOT believe he wanted answers to his questions. From his own lips he states "I am going to inform people". That's very damning.

Here is a statement from one of the youtube posters and eyewitness.

I couldnt get to my camera in time to record his entrance, but this guy basically comes running in with 4 or 5 cops in tow and says he has been running around trying to get in to ask a question and the cops are going to arrest him for it. they almost do it then but Sen. Kerry says he will answer it. he then answers a previous question someone else asked (i cut that part out because it isnt important to this video) then the guy asks his questions and when he is done all hell breaks lose. to the cop haters: i have no doubt the cops were going exactly by the book, the problem isnt them, its the book! they were doing their job and looked just as confused as this kid (this isnt something that they deal with often).

Seems to have been on a mission to disrupt. Mission accomplished.

They were uncomfortable questions.

No they weren't. They were unanswerable questions. More like statements actually.

You still think this is a free-speech issue. Yet no one has really explained why that's true. He was in a PRIVATE EVENT...he has NO RIGHTS FOR FREE SPEECH. You can't break into someones house screaming you have freedom of speech people. He was NOT WELCOME at the event...he was asked to LEAVE.

The freedom of speech defense for this situation is laughable if so many of you didn't really believe it.

[DANG]

crimzonsol;

Did the pigs say they made a mistake?

No, this is SOP.

When it happens to one, it happens to us all.

Its not an isolated incident.... they have been electrocuting people BEFORE a trial, for a long time. It will happen again tomorrow.... because people like you accept it.... you think it didnt happen to you , so WHO CARES!?!

[ViolaLee]

You were wrong when you said he cut in front of the line. You were wrong when you said he spoke for 5 minutes.

I was never wrong about those things because I never stated them. Don't confuse me with someone else..........

Where is the post where you put me in charge? You asked me what I would do if the person cut in line and spoke for 5 minutes?

I answered that he didn't cut in line according to the video and he spoke for one minute and 40 seconds.

Can you find that post, because I can't.............

And about that youtube post from someone claiming to see something but not able to get his camera out in time......sorry. Not credible. I'd need to see the vid. There are a lot of videos from people on youtube on this topic. None of them that I've seen so far, show anything like what that guy describes.

That's a worse source than wiki Labrocca! Let's up the source credibility shall we?

[Labrocca]

http://www.democracyforums.com/showthread.php?tid=7939&pid=94106#pid94106

I think that's what they were gonna do. I also think they were asking him for ID so they can give him a ticket and send him on his way. And how long do you allow the kid to go on and on and on before you cut him off? 2 minutes? 5 minutes? 20 minutes? This is John Kerry whom I am sure was paid for his valuable time.

As you can see...I never made anywhere near the claim that he spoke for 5 minutes nor say a single word about him jumping a line. I guess since you were wrong in BOTH of your assertions that I must be right? Anyways...you don't bother to answer my questions directed toward you. Specifically this one...

Exactly how are they wrong. Explain to me how asking police to kick someone out that you don't want around wrong. Are you saying I can't call the police to have someone removed from my house I don't want there? Let's hear this one.

That's a worse source than wiki Labrocca! Let's up the source credibility shall we?

I agree and didn't really give a lot of credence to it's credibility. I don't use it for my basis of opinions. I just thought it noteworthy and it may be a source of some of these rumors. Most of my statements and opinions have been based solidly on the videos I have seen.

[DANG]

They were uncomfortable questions.

No they weren't. They were unanswerable questions. More like statements actually. He asked Kerry why he conceded to bush, when reports were coming in of voter suppression and fraud in Ohio.

You still think this is a free-speech issue. Yet no one has really explained why that's true. He was in a PRIVATE EVENT...he has NO RIGHTS FOR FREE SPEECH. You can't break into someones house screaming you have freedom of speech people.If he pays tuition there, he has as much right as Kerry to be there. If after Kerrys speech he opened the mic for questions... then the guy had free speech. Kerry said he wanted to answer him. He was NOT WELCOME at the event...he was asked to LEAVE. ...for no apparent reason.

The freedom of speech defense for this situation is laughable if so many of you didn't really believe it.Not only free speech was denied:
Amendment I
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances.He was also petitioning government, and peaceably assembled (sure, he got a little loud when they encroached on his freedom of speech and when the goddamn pigs electrocuted him)

[Labrocca]

Well I have stated what I believe. Not much else to argue about. I am sure over the next day or two we will get more info. If not then this story was just a flash in the pan.

I really can't respond to you Dang. You call the police "pigs" and I find that offensive. You obviously have a different ideas than me. Good luck with your anti-establishment whatever you got going on thing. I hope it does well for you.

[DANG]

I guess I expect a little more. Should we expect to be treated like cattle by our herders? To be shocked with cattle prods on a whim? Should we expect to be culled from the herd in the middle of the night?

I am of like mind with this patriot:
Op Ed (http://www.opednews.com/articles/opedne_anthony__070918_democracy_and_dissen.htm)

<snip>
So it was for Andrew Meyer yesterday in this country. Andrew Meyer was a student at the University of Florida. That means that he, or at least someone in his family paid the University of Florida for his attendance at that school where he could pursue higher learning in what is supposed to be the freest country in the world. Along came John Kerry yesterday to speak to the students about varied topics such as Iraq and the Middle East. After his speech which covered a couple of hours, Senator Kerry was gracious enough to open the floor for questions. That is where democracy and dissent took a 45 to the head.


Andrew Meyer came to the microphone and began a long statement about voting irregularities in the 2004 presidential election, of which Kerry was the “losing” candidate. Those of us, who follow alternate news for the sake of the truth, know that Meyer actually was understating the extent of the irregularities. The true fact is that the 2004 election was stolen. That theft was deliberative and goes far beyond “irregular.” As we also know, Senator Kerry ran his campaign swearing to us all, that he would not rest until every vote was counted. Yet there he was conceding after mere hours while still staring at massive voter fraud and holding over a million dollars specifically raised for contesting the election. As such, Kerry became an accomplice to the theft of the 2004 election and Andrew Meyer was merely asking the same question I would have asked Kerry if I had the opportunity. His reward for daring to buck the establishment and practice democracy in an open forum at the college that he pays tuition to attend? He was dragged away by campus police an arrested. Meyer understandably was upset at the Stalinist response and kept shouting in disbelief. Undeterred, the SIX brave police officers proceeded to tackle him to the ground as Kerry tried to answer his question. Still not satisfied that Meyer did not simply cave into this violation of his civil liberties, the valiant officers proceeded to taser him with 50,000 volts of electricity, while they already had him successfully subdued.


Did you get that America? A student who was attending an open forum at a school that he paid to attend, was asking a legitimate question during a question and answer period and was assaulted and tasered by police. What kind of democracy do we think we are capable of spreading anywhere in the world if this is what we practice at home??? As I write this Chris Matthews is reporting that the rationale from the police is that Meyer was using obscenities toward them. Are you kidding me??? Here is the video clip of the incident:


http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=6bVa6jn4rpE


I think I hear one obscenity at best and that was in Meyer’s incredulity towards what was happening to him. Either way, is that what is acceptable in society today? If you say a curse word you can expect to be tasered? That is morally reprehensible and completely unacceptable in a free and open society. The talking heads are framing the debate already incorrectly. This is not merely an incident threatening free speech. There are only two sides, what is right and what is wrong. There is no defense for the actions taken by the police. NONE. I do not want to hear about the kid’s website. I do not want to hear that he was annoying. I do not want to hear that he cursed. The discussion needs to start with why he had to be removed in the first place! He was asking a question during a Q and A and Kerry was completely willing to try and answer the question. The 800-pound gorilla in the room that no one is talking about is that the police chose to stop the question because it was critical toward Kerry. Do not kid yourself America. If the question had been a softball, there would be no issue. That is where we are in America today. It is not just about free speech. It is really about dissent. Dissent in America is simply not tolerated. Dissent in America is under attack. Dissent in America has been tasered into submission and with it, the democracy as a whole.


The officers involved should all be fired and prosecuted. There is no middle ground anymore. You find yourself unsure? Ask yourself a simple question.

cont'd (http://www.opednews.com/articles/opedne_anthony__070918_democracy_and_dissen.htm) [hr]I wouldnt want to live in a world without police.

I respect police.

Some police do not deserve respect. Those who abuse their power should be electrocuted. Let Michael Vick have his way with those pigs who do not respect the rights of citizens they are trusted to serve and protect.

[Labrocca]

The tempation to respond is overwhelming me but beyond these few short words I don't see the point it expressing to you exactly what I think of your like-minded patriot.

You are entitled to an opinion...enjoy it.

[Pookie]

Subduing someone is one thing, but tasering is another. And there were more than one police officer on him. I think that in itself was a bit of overkill. But the taser? If four cops can't subdue one person without tasering, they need to be either retrained or kicked off the force.
I was a cop. That was, simply put, cowardice on the part of the police. True, the kid was disruptive and needed to be quieted down. Kerry did not order this to happen, and it was not Kerry's job to haul off a disruptive kid. He left it to the cops, as he should have. I don't understand why this is Kerry's fault. When Reagan was shot, he didn't go after the shooter. The Secret Service people did. Same goes for Kerry. The police are there for a reason. That's it.
And the police overreacted by tasering. Four cops on one guy -- go figure. I've taken down people by myself -- all 140 pounds of me -- and NEVER had to mace or taser. I didn't even hit people, even if I got hit. I think the tasering of this student was waaaaaaaaay over the edge of reasonable restraint. Just my opinion from experience.
Purrs,

[preservanation]

Hey pookie, maybe you can answer this.
Is tasing considered deadly force in the eyes of the law?
Some say yes because 7 people have died from the use of tasers

[Pookie]

It can be, if someone dies from it. Just like pepper spray, some people react to it so badly they die. You see, this is why I never used either of these. I do have to admit I did shoot someone and I killed him, but it was only AFTER I was shot by him.
Deadly force is just that - deadly force. I didn't shoot to kill him but I was blinded by pain and my aim was off. I think four cops could have subdued this guy without the taser.
Purrs,

[preservanation]

Thanks pookie, you're a peach.

[Deadshot]

Liar!! Or do you plead ignorance? If you really are a cop, you would/should know EXACTLY how lethal tasers are. Why are you trying to con these people on this forum?

The following article is from 2004.... theres been plenty more MURDERS by pigs with tasers since then.

Read it and weep:
70 Deaths After Use Of Stun Gun Lead To Questions Over Its Safety (http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2004/10/12/earlyshow/main648859.shtml) (CBS News)

BTW;
It is a Rodney King ordeal! Except this guy is sober and asking uncomfortable questions of the ruling class.


DANG, you are simply out of touch. You view the cops in a bad light. There is simply no reasoning with you on this subject.

I watched 50 officers get tazed, one after another in a class. We were the 4th class that month, and ours was the smallest. Do people die from tazers? I'm sure that there are a few cases. That doesn't mean you stop using the tazer.

Viola, I quoted CNN who quoted Kerry who said the kid lined jumped and then quoted a school admin. who said he kept talking when asked to stop.

Preserve and Pookie, Tasering is not considered "deadly force." In fact it's labeled as "Non-Lethal" force. BTW people have died in non-lethal choke holds also. Those are still used also. One last thing here, look at the four or five cops trying to cuff this dude BEFORE he was tasered. They weren't doing a real good job of getting cooperation. What would have happened if a couple of guys about my size simply manhandled him into the cuffs and broke his arm or wrist? Which is worse? I walked away from our tazer after about 10 minutes. A broken arm causes pain for days and won't heal for weeks.

Tasering, or Tazering, is better then brute force.

Any way you look at it though the lesson is the same. If the cops ask you to leave, or even grab you to escort you out - GO, quietly and respectfully. Because, by hook or by crook, the "pigs" will get you out. It's up to you, do you want to go with little to no pain, or do you want to get a big owie?

Don't Fuck with Cops!

[mammalicious]

Watching the video, the kid has no intention of waiting to hear an answer...his mission is to fire off as many rhetorical questions as possible as if he is some enightened sage. When he says he has ''two more questions'' you can hear groans from the audience, as well as cheers at his removal. He gets beligerant when he is asked to get to the point and ask a question, when they are promped by an official to do so (the same official that signals for the mic to be cut (which is actually simultaneous with the Bones question).

I, also, have been to speeches...and they are usually on a specific topic. I am certain that the topic of Kerry's visit was not ''let's rehash stuff we can't change from years ago.'' When he starts with the 'impeach Bush' rants (and seemingly looking for approval from the audience...just as he did with his announcement that the author of the book he holds states Kerry won the 2004 election) and the irrelevent Skull and Bones conspiracy nonsense...I assume the guy signaling to cut the mic feels that the kid isn't going to as a true question. Q & A sessions are not scheduled to go on forever, and they like to give the opportunity to ask questions to as many as possible. Usually ONE, to the point, question. Not an editorial statement.

He had his moment of free speech, and could have asked an insightful question and waited for a response. He chose not to...he was looking to make a scene and did so. He was being escorted out, and overreacted by screaming ''are you arresting me?'' He wouldn't even listen to the campus police for the answer to THAT question. When HE resisted, HE took it to the next level. The police warn before using a taser...if the warning doesn't get you to quit resisting...then they know you intend to remain non-compliant. He exercised his right to free speech...he doesn't, however, have the right to tell police what he will or will not do, or what they can or cannot do. His overdramatization (how many times did he say ''are you kidding me?'') did nothing for me..If you are in college, and aren't smart enough to stop resisting, once you are on the ground with several police on or near you, then don't cry afterwards, cause your stunt didn't go as planned. He was trying to cause a scene...he should have been aware that at the least they would do is escort him out. The police aren't playing games...especially when it's a high ranking political figure and one gets disruptive. The kid was still acting irrational outside the auditorium, claiming that he was being 'handed over to the gov't'.

I also take exception with the use of the term ''pigs'' when referring to police. They don't get paid enough nor get enough respect for the amount of crap they have to deal with on a daily basis, that doesn't make the news.

I don't think Kerry should have done anything by way of interfering with the campus police. He should allow the police to do their job, apologize for the disturbance, and then take another question. He he chooses to address the substance of Andrews rants, that would be his choice.

[Marley]

The guy was speaking, heckling at worst.

Cutting off the mic solved the situation.

It's a case where law ENFORCEMENTS considers their authority immediate and absolute. That's poor judgement IMO.

Again, like Waco and Branch Davidians, the cops HAD to have immediate absolute power and authority and the wisdom of hindsight indicates simply backing off the CITIZEN(s) and letting it wind down and work out would've been best.

Again, it was Kery's event, Kerry TELLS us what a great LEADER he is (not just "famous") but when we can see for ourselves we don't see an ounce of leadership.

Good lord, like a friggin SENATOR can't TALK? And talk over some schmuck with a cut-off mic? And LEAD and CONTROL the DISCUSSION which is what this thing was, right?

Again, the man striving to be the most powerful person in the world couldn't accomplish what any no-name starving stand up comic has to do every night of work.

[Deadshot]

Good post Mama, I agree all the way!

I just watched this on CNN, New report on CNN (http://www.cnn.com/video/#/video/offbeat/2007/09/18/moos.taser.tale.cnn)

First watch the first few seconds (:13 seconds) of the report, which is obviously later into the incident, at how the suspect fights with black officer and pony-tailed woman with heavy white guy trying to help. Goto :44 second mark and watch the attitude and confrontation begin. At :57 seconds watch how the two officers, heavy white guy and pony-tailed woman escorted him from the mic. Then watch him pull away, 1:06 in the tape also 2:11 to 2:16, and get away from both of them for a split second - RIGHT THEIR is where he resisted a lawful order, those few seconds, is where it went from "hey dude, you gotta go" to "It's on." Go from that point to just about 1:35 in the tape where you hear the officers WARNED the man he'd be taze if he didn't stop. That's why he was yelling "Don't tase me Bro." Now look at 1:42 of the tape, it's AFTER the tazing, does he look Dead? severely injured? How 'bout at 1:53, the next day, any permenant injury? Now check the "horrible damage" done to a CNN reporter on section 2:02-2:11 of the tape. Dude actual went from extreme pain back to reporter mode in less the 10 Seconds!

That little report, from a Liberal meida outlet (for those Conservatives out there) shows that this is much to do about nothing.

Also to reiterate, don't fight the cops!

[mammalicious]

Cutting the mic did NOT solve anything...he began ranting because the mic was cut.

It was NOT a ''Kerry event''...it was a school event at which Kerry was invited to speak.

[Marley]

So a Dave Matthews Band concert wouldn't be a Dave MAtthews concert? Just a school event where Dave MAtthews Band was invited to perform? LOL

And again, the alleged leader, commander, officer, hero, couldn't gain control of a situation stirred up by one little young schmuck.

Kerry has all this POWER, this billionaire elitist with government clout, to assualt and arrest some schmuck, but he ultimately is a nothing, he launched into boilerplate filibuster nonsense, his stock in trade, pushing the situation out of control, instead of DEALING with one lone punk.

I can't help but see how, if aimed in the proper partisan direction, this punk's type behavior is praised and celebrated, but aimed in the other direction, results in the ugly brute raw power of government.

What's it gonna be like if you dare compain about waiting for a heart transplant under Hillarycare?

[AnnEsthesia]

Funny emale. You claim Bush does not control or bear responsibility for things that happen in the government, yet you hold Kerry responsible for this event and every last thing that happens there, even when he did not have anything to do with the hiring or staffing of the event.

Interesting dichotomy there...

[mammalicious]

No the event is the responsibility of the organizer/promoter.

Where did Kerry use his ''power'' to order the assault and arrest?

[Deadshot]

I've already put emale on ignore. He popped my ignore cherry here at DF:embarrased::innocent:

His arguments on this subject, and others, are just to far off base. Read earlier post here and you'll see Stoner call emale's post out for being simply wrong. When those on your own side, in this case Conservative, begin to question your ideals, maybe it's time to realize your wrong.

But if Mama and AnnE want to continue the debate, go luck. But remember there is no arguing with a mad man...

[David Hume]

The student became disruptive. The police were directing the disorderly student out of the hall when the student became combative towards the officers. The officers attempted to restrain him but he continued to resist, even after being warned that he would be tazed.

Bottom line: One big mouth student bought himself a ticket for a ride on the pain train.


Wow, you must have been watching a different tape of the incident than me. For by the time they tazed him, he was on the ground with a couple of cops sitting on top of him, including that behemoth of a black man who looked like he might play nose-tackle for the Gators. Pulling out the taser at that point seems a bit excessive to anyone grounded with even the slightest notion of common sense.

Not to even get to the larger point of WFT were the cops doing trying to drag him out in the first place? Some of you people seem mighty cozy with fascists. . .[hr]

I would agree with you on this, Deadshot, if there wasn't (what was it 6 police officers) and the man was already on the ground.


I counted four, but six is fine. If we all go to handcuff you, and can't get the cuffs on, we're going to force you to cooperate. This isn't a Rodney King style beating. It was a Tazering, which hurts like hell, but in about an hour you get over it.

Stop fighting, as the officers suggested, and nothing would happen. Keep fighting me and I WILL make you stop. I WILL do my job.


And, if you were one of the cops in this particular case, you likely will also be successfully sued and perhaps even fired.

Seem worth it now?

[Marley]

Ann:

"dichotomy" is merely an "either/or" situation, I think you're claiming a "paradox."

And hell yeah, there is a large amount of gleeful devil's advocate at play here on my part. I'm more than happy to fully examine the paradox's in the standards applied to political news events.

Would you happen to have a CONSITENT STANDARD to offer? I eagerly await it!

Mamma:

Read the whole sentence: ...but he ultimately is a nothing.

And once you get a little of your own power in society, you'll understand you don't necessarily "use" it, you just "have" it. The issue is still unresolved who "pulled the trigger" on this yahoo.

Kerry has power, but he demostrated by his action that he's inept in weilding it, resulting in this violence and arguable violation of a citizen's rights.

There's no argument that Kerry was the most powerful person in the room, whatever he would've said would've been what it was. And look at it, it was a debacle.

Deadshot, you're just pathetic, no one likes a whiner, you suck at ignoring.

[mammalicious]

The student became disruptive. The police were directing the disorderly student out of the hall when the student became combative towards the officers. The officers attempted to restrain him but he continued to resist, even after being warned that he would be tazed.

Bottom line: One big mouth student bought himself a ticket for a ride on the pain train.


Wow, you must have been watching a different tape of the incident than me. For by the time they tazed him, he was on the ground with a couple of cops sitting on top of him, including that behemoth of a black man who looked like he might play nose-tackle for the Gators. Pulling out the taser at that point seems a bit excessive to anyone grounded with even the slightest notion of common sense.

Not to even get to the larger point of WFT were the cops doing trying to drag him out in the first place? Some of you people seem mighty cozy with fascists. . .[hr]

I would agree with you on this, Deadshot, if there wasn't (what was it 6 police officers) and the man was already on the ground.


I counted four, but six is fine. If we all go to handcuff you, and can't get the cuffs on, we're going to force you to cooperate. This isn't a Rodney King style beating. It was a Tazering, which hurts like hell, but in about an hour you get over it.

Stop fighting, as the officers suggested, and nothing would happen. Keep fighting me and I WILL make you stop. I WILL do my job.


And, if you were one of the cops in this particular case, you likely will also be successfully sued and perhaps even fired.

Seem worth it now?




And yet with the ''behemoth'' on him, he wouldn't quit resisting and fighting...when told if he persisted he would be tased..he KEPT ON RESISTING. For a college boy, he isn't very smart. He became beligerant from the moment he was asked to move it along and get to his question.

Was it worth it to him? He seems to have gotten the notoriety he wanted...I bet he's waiting for calls from Dateline.[hr]
Ann:

"dichotomy" is merely an "either/or" situation, I think you're claiming a "paradox."

And hell yeah, there is a large amount of gleeful devil's advocate at play here on my part. I'm more than happy to fully examine the paradox's in the standards applied to political news events.

Would you happen to have a CONSITENT STANDARD to offer? I eagerly await it!

Mamma:

Read the whole sentence: ...but he ultimately is a nothing.

And once you get a little of your own power in society, you'll understand you don't necessarily "use" it, you just "have" it. The issue is still unresolved who "pulled the trigger" on this yahoo.

Kerry has power, but he demostrated by his action that he's inept in weilding it, resulting in this violence and arguable violation of a citizen's rights.

There's no argument that Kerry was the most powerful person in the room, whatever he would've said would've been what it was. And look at it, it was a debacle.

Deadshot, you're just pathetic, no one likes a whiner, you suck at ignoring.


The only thing undecided to me is who the guy was next to the female officer that prompted her to hurry Andrew along...and who motioned for the tech to cut the mic. What IS the ''power'' you keep attributing to Kerry? No one interferes with police action when they don't have all the facts of what is going on. Well...most sane people.

[potter]

Cutting the mic did NOT solve anything...he began ranting because the mic was cut.

It was NOT a ''Kerry event''...it was a school event at which Kerry was invited to speak.



What this boils down to is access to government officials and the ability to ask the really hard questions. Government officials screen the questions they are asked in public gatherings and when someone refuses to go with that shit, when they insist on asking the hard questions, they get the mic cut off, tazed and arrested.

How can the public ever have effective representation if government officials won't address the hard questions asked by the public? You can write to them and get a form letter back which ignores the "hard questions" as is my experience, or you can participate in a public forum where only softball questions are allowed.

No accountability, no reponse. This is the kind of government we have settled for, and this is the government we deserve.

[ViolaLee]

This would never happen at an event where Bush was speaking. He hand picks his audience and only lets in pre-approved, lock step Republicans.

[Deadshot]

This would never happen at an event where Bush was speaking. He hand picks his audience and only lets in pre-approved, lock step Republicans.


No, as the POTUS the Secret Service would have handled it quietly and quickly.

Mr. Hume, I would be sued, he'd lose and I would have gotten a few paid days off for my troubles. If they would attempt to fire me, I'd simply state that I followed the SOP (Standard Operating Procedures) when arresting a person.

They did WARN him, following SOP, so they did nothing wrong. Now the department can re-write the SOP, but they won't fire the officers.

So they, and I, will be fine....but thanx for the concern.:thumbsup:

[DANG]

Hey pookie, maybe you can answer this.
Is tasing considered deadly force in the eyes of the law?
Some say yes because 7 people have died from the use of tasers
See my recent post: Three years ago it was 70 (murdered by taser). I am sure its over 100 by now.
I had to quit watching "COPS" because the PIGS were treating EVERYONE like farm animals.... tasering unarmed people in every show. Its un-American.


This would never happen at an event where Bush was speaking. He hand picks his audience and only lets in pre-approved, lock step Republicans.Good Point!
In politics passions run high. That doesnt mean you get to inflict pain on people with whom you disagree.

Kerry is perfectly capable of taking 3 questions before the student sat down and listened to the answers.[hr]I really can't respond to you Dang.


DANG, you are simply out of touch. You view the cops in a bad light. There is simply no reasoning with you on this subject.


:peace:I stand victorious!:nana:

[Deadshot]

Stand or sit, it doesn't really matter.

The dude was arrested. The cops were suspended with pay. Nobody involved in the actual incident will get fired.

One last thing, read Labrocca's post about Meyer maybe doing this as a joke or a lark. If true it puts both your and emale in the same boat.

Far ends of each party making a mountain out of a mole hill.

[DANG]

One last thing, read Labrocca's post about Meyer maybe doing this as a joke or a lark. If true it puts both your and emale in the same boat.
If the end result is the disarmament of Nazis, who cares if its a stunt. I believe somebody reflected that Rosa Parks incident may have been just a stunt. Look what it availed us. Seen any "No Dogs or Niggers Allowed" signs lately?

<edit to add quote>[hr]
Congrats Dang on successfully being so arrogant and disgu