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lily
09-18-2007, 02:03 AM
Nope......your eyes aren't deceiving you. (http://www.ktvb.com/news/localnews/stories/ktvbn-sep1707-craig_aclu.e2ea4c9d.html)

ACLU files brief, claims Craig arrest unconstitutional

06:30 PM MDT on Monday, September 17, 2007

ACLU: It's OK to proposition for sex
BOISE -- Senator Larry Craig finds an unlikely ally in his fight against
criminal charges -- the American Civil Liberties Union.

The senator is not known for supporting the ACLU, but the organization is
supporting him, saying Craig's constitutional rights were compromised in a
men's room sex sting.

The ACLU filed an 11-page legal brief today, arguing the senator's arrest
was, essentially, illegal - a violation of his constitutional rights.

Craig was arrested in a Minneapolis airport restroom in June and pleaded
guilty to disorderly conduct.

The arresting officer says Craig tried to solicit sex from him by using
symbolic gestures known to those who engage in such activities -- a code, of
sorts, in which he tapped his foot and waved his hand under the stall
divider.

Craig vehemently denies there was any sexual meaning behind those gestures.
He is now trying to get his guilty plea reversed.

The ACLU is siding with the senator, but some legal scholars say it's a weak
argument.

"You do have the right to proposition sex that happens in private anywhere
in the country. That's protected free speech rights of Americans," said
Anthony Romero, ACLU.

"It's not the equivalent of asking someone for a date, it's the equivalent
of engaging in behavior that is in fact an invasion of privacy," said
Douglas Kmiec, Pepperdine University Law School.

Later this month, a judge is scheduled to hear Craig's argument for
reversing his guilty plea, a move which prosecutors are expected to oppose.

The irony of this ACLU support is that Larry Craig has voted against the
liberal rights group 76-percent of the time.

Scorpion
09-18-2007, 02:12 AM
Yeah, well that's the ACLU doing what they do best, defending abhorrent behavior by prostituting the meaning of the constitution. Don't forget that the ACLU is staffed by (wait for it) lawyers, and they're the bottom of the cesspool.

bobbylien
09-18-2007, 03:21 AM
Didn't they offer to represent Rush Limbaugh after his Viagra incident?

ViolaLee
09-18-2007, 05:38 AM
I think actually they are right. He didn't get caught offering to pay for sex. He just got caught using signals to proposition for sex. There's no proof he was going to have that sex in public, which would be against the law, as paying for it would.

But to ask someone if they want to have sex....is not illegal.

The ACLU loves the constitution.

I do too.

heyjude
09-18-2007, 05:50 AM
I don't think that what happened in that restroom is all that different than the mating dance that straights engage in. I have been propositioned many times ranging from the verbal subtleties, to "wanna f**k?" And being touched, albeit nicely, to rudely grabbed in very private places. Women handle things like that every day. We rarely call the cops, and if we did, we'd probably be told to handle it ourselves. This is about discrimination.[hr]I also think that there are better things the police could be doing with their time. And I'd bet most police think so too.

The ACLU defends the Constitution of this country. That means having to defend some pretty creepy people, like Oliver North, and Sen. Craig.

Scorpion
09-18-2007, 06:09 AM
I think actually they are right. He didn't get caught offering to pay for sex. He just got caught using signals to proposition for sex. There's no proof he was going to have that sex in public, which would be against the law, as paying for it would.

But to ask someone if they want to have sex....is not illegal.

The ACLU loves the constitution.

I do too.


If you truly believe that then you're pretty naive. The guy is in a toilet stall in a public mens room using signals to proposition strangers for sex. What did you think that he was planning on doing.

Drocket
09-18-2007, 06:13 AM
If you truly believe that then you're pretty naive. The guy is in a toilet stall in a public mens room using signals to proposition strangers for sex. What did you think that he was planning on doing.

Probably going to have sex in the stall. "Probably", however, does not a crime make.

Scorpion
09-18-2007, 06:15 AM
If you truly believe that then you're pretty naive. The guy is in a toilet stall in a public mens room using signals to proposition strangers for sex. What did you think that he was planning on doing.

Probably going to have sex in the stall. "Probably", however, does not a crime make.


It does if his actions constitute an attempt to complete the crime.

PatrickHenry
09-18-2007, 06:42 AM
The irony of a closet gay Republican defended by the ACLU he supposedly despises!

This is sooo...juicy...

Stoner
09-18-2007, 07:00 AM
Unless I'm mistaken I believe the reason the arrest was unconstitutional was because he was on official business and it's against the law to arrest someone while on official business (which he was).

I read an article about this online somewhere a few days ago. Too baked to look for a link. Anyone else read this?