Baggy pants crackdown goes national

[Alonzo]

TRENTON, New Jersey (AP) -- It's a fashion that started in prison, and now the saggy pants craze has come full circle -- low-slung street strutting in some cities may soon mean run-ins with the law, including a stint in jail.

Proposals to ban saggy pants are starting to ride up in several places. At the extreme end, wearing pants low enough to show boxers or bare buttocks in one small Louisiana town means six months in jail and a $500 fine.

A crackdown also is being pushed in Atlanta, Georgia. And in Trenton, New Jersey, getting caught with your pants down may soon result in not only a fine, but a city worker assessing where your life is headed.

"Are they employed? Do they have a high school diploma? It's a wonderful way to redirect at that point," said Trenton Councilwoman Annette Lartigue, who is drafting a law to outlaw saggy pants. "The message is clear: We don't want to see your backside."

The bare-your-britches fashion is believed to have started in prisons, where inmates aren't given belts with their baggy uniform pants to prevent hangings and beatings. By the late 80s, the trend had made it to gangster rap videos, then went on to skateboarders in the suburbs and high school hallways.

"For young people, it's a form of rebellion and identity," Adrian "Easy A.D." Harris, 43, a founding member of the Bronx's legendary rap group Cold Crush Brothers. "The young people think it's fashionable. They don't think it's negative."

But for those who want to stop them see it as an indecent, sloppy trend that is a bad influence on children.

"It has the potential to catch on with elementary school kids, and we want to stop it before it gets there," said C.T. Martin, an Atlanta councilman. "Teachers have raised questions about what a distraction it is."

In Atlanta, a law has been introduced to ban sagging and punishment could include small fines or community work -- but no jail time, Martin said.

The penalty is stiffer in Delcambre, Louisiana, where in June the town council passed an ordinance that carries a fine of up to $500 or six months in jail for exposing underwear in public. Several other municipalities and parish governments in Louisiana have enacted similar laws in recent months.

At Trenton hip-hop clothing store Razor Sharp Clothing Shop 4 Ballers, shopper Mark Wise, 30, said his jeans sag for practical reasons.

"The reason I don't wear tight pants is because it's easier to get money out of my pocket this way," Wise said. "It's just more comfortable."

Shop owner Mack Murray said Trenton's proposed ordinance unfairly targets blacks.

"Are they going to go after construction workers and plumbers, because their pants sag, too?" Murray asked. "They're stereotyping us."

The American Civil Liberties Union agrees.

"In Atlanta, we see this as racial profiling," said Benetta Standly, statewide organizer for the American Civil Liberties Union of Georgia. "It's going to target African-American male youths. There's a fear with people associating the way you dress with crimes being committed."


http://www.cnn.com/2007/US/09/17/baggy.pants.ap/index.html

Why are we arresting and fining people for wearing pants we don't like? And what's this thing with boxers? I always thought it was perfectly legal to walk around with boxers and no pants.

[DANG]

Dammit, I am amused by these asshats trying to run away from the cops with their pants falling off. Its free entertainment.

If scofflaws are forced to wear belts it will be harder to catch them. That means more delinquents to terrorize our society.

They should reconsider.

[Truth_and_Power]

Hopefully they can crack down on plumbers too.. lol can't stop the punmaster

[DANG]

Too stupid to buy a belt? They might just try to smoke that plumbers crack

[Stoner]

Wearing those baggy pants makes people look like freakin retards. What a bunch of dumbasses. Do they not realize how stupid and ignorant they look like?

[jafar00]

Too stupid to buy a belt? They might just try to smoke that plumbers crack


Dang, that was below the "belt" :D

[Buck Laser]

Wearing those baggy pants makes people look like freakin retards. What a bunch of dumbasses. Do they not realize how stupid and ignorant they look like?

Yeah, just as a habitual pothead looks, IMO. I think the baggy pants are stupid too, but I also think old farts wearing polyester slacks and white shoes look stupid. If looking stupid were a criterion for keeping people out of sight, the population of the US would drop by about 150 million.

[Truth_and_Power]

Wearing those baggy pants makes people look like freakin retards. What a bunch of dumbasses. Do they not realize how stupid and ignorant they look like?


I saw one of "them" walking down a street downtown today, holding his pants up by grabbing his package through his pants and holding onto it while he walked. I wanted to stop and tell him how cool he looked but I was in a hurry.

[Stoner]

I saw one of "them" walking down a street downtown today, holding his pants up by grabbing his package through his pants and holding onto it while he walked. I wanted to stop and tell him how cool he looked but I was in a hurry.


Heh, wonder of it was the same retard I saw. I had to pick up a friend at Mons Venus and saw someone exactly like you described walking down Dale Mabry while I was waiting for her to come out.

[Truth_and_Power]

I saw one of "them" walking down a street downtown today, holding his pants up by grabbing his package through his pants and holding onto it while he walked. I wanted to stop and tell him how cool he looked but I was in a hurry.


Heh, wonder of it was the same retard I saw. I had to pick up a friend at Mons Venus and saw someone exactly like you described walking down Dale Mabry while I was waiting for her to come out.


I dont think a person can walk that fast from downtown to dale mabry with his hand on his crotch and his pants hanging down. Besides they are not in short supply here.

[potter]

Wearing those baggy pants makes people look like freakin retards. What a bunch of dumbasses. Do they not realize how stupid and ignorant they look like?



If only we could outlaw everyone that looks stupid and ignorant. We could eliminate half the South and Bush in one fell swoop. :ecstatic::nana:

[Truth_and_Power]

Wearing those baggy pants makes people look like freakin retards. What a bunch of dumbasses. Do they not realize how stupid and ignorant they look like?



If only we could outlaw everyone that looks stupid and ignorant. We could eliminate half the South and Bush in one fell swoop. :ecstatic::nana:


And Ivy League colleges would have to lower tuition because every last yankee in a sweater vest would be gone too! That sounds even better than the rapture!

[Alonzo]

Wearing those baggy pants makes people look like freakin retards. What a bunch of dumbasses. Do they not realize how stupid and ignorant they look like?



If only we could outlaw everyone that looks stupid and ignorant. We could eliminate half the South and Bush in one fell swoop. :ecstatic::nana:


A liberal dominated America. Me likey! :ecstatic:

[Stoner]

Man I hate downtown Tampa. Last week I dropped off a friend at the PoT. Mileage wise it's quicker to go through downtown (coming from Pinellas County). But if I have to go there I always just go to the Ybor exit (first exit off of I-4) and take that down to 60, and then to Channelside. I've timed it and it's actually quicker. Downtown Tampa is a clusterfuck. Not the worst downtown I've been in by a longshot but it's very aggravating. Plus I have 0 patience in traffic. Yes, I'm that guy on the road.

[Elrathin]

Wearing those baggy pants makes people look like freakin retards. What a bunch of dumbasses. Do they not realize how stupid and ignorant they look like?


I agree that they look like dumbasses, but those that are making laws making this illegal are far worse dumbasses.

[TheStripey1]

TRENTON, New Jersey (AP) -- It's a fashion that started in prison, and now the saggy pants craze has come full circle -- low-slung street strutting in some cities may soon mean run-ins with the law, including a stint in jail.

Proposals to ban saggy pants are starting to ride up in several places. At the extreme end, wearing pants low enough to show boxers or bare buttocks in one small Louisiana town means six months in jail and a $500 fine.

A crackdown also is being pushed in Atlanta, Georgia. And in Trenton, New Jersey, getting caught with your pants down may soon result in not only a fine, but a city worker assessing where your life is headed.

"Are they employed? Do they have a high school diploma? It's a wonderful way to redirect at that point," said Trenton Councilwoman Annette Lartigue, who is drafting a law to outlaw saggy pants. "The message is clear: We don't want to see your backside."

The bare-your-britches fashion is believed to have started in prisons, where inmates aren't given belts with their baggy uniform pants to prevent hangings and beatings. By the late 80s, the trend had made it to gangster rap videos, then went on to skateboarders in the suburbs and high school hallways.

"For young people, it's a form of rebellion and identity," Adrian "Easy A.D." Harris, 43, a founding member of the Bronx's legendary rap group Cold Crush Brothers. "The young people think it's fashionable. They don't think it's negative."

But for those who want to stop them see it as an indecent, sloppy trend that is a bad influence on children.

"It has the potential to catch on with elementary school kids, and we want to stop it before it gets there," said C.T. Martin, an Atlanta councilman. "Teachers have raised questions about what a distraction it is."

In Atlanta, a law has been introduced to ban sagging and punishment could include small fines or community work -- but no jail time, Martin said.

The penalty is stiffer in Delcambre, Louisiana, where in June the town council passed an ordinance that carries a fine of up to $500 or six months in jail for exposing underwear in public. Several other municipalities and parish governments in Louisiana have enacted similar laws in recent months.

At Trenton hip-hop clothing store Razor Sharp Clothing Shop 4 Ballers, shopper Mark Wise, 30, said his jeans sag for practical reasons.

"The reason I don't wear tight pants is because it's easier to get money out of my pocket this way," Wise said. "It's just more comfortable."

Shop owner Mack Murray said Trenton's proposed ordinance unfairly targets blacks.

"Are they going to go after construction workers and plumbers, because their pants sag, too?" Murray asked. "They're stereotyping us."

The American Civil Liberties Union agrees.

"In Atlanta, we see this as racial profiling," said Benetta Standly, statewide organizer for the American Civil Liberties Union of Georgia. "It's going to target African-American male youths. There's a fear with people associating the way you dress with crimes being committed."


http://www.cnn.com/2007/US/09/17/baggy.pants.ap/index.html

Why are we arresting and fining people for wearing pants we don't like? And what's this thing with boxers? I always thought it was perfectly legal to walk around with boxers and no pants.



Zo? I think those are called Bermuda Shorts...

:madlaugh:

[Truth_and_Power]

Man I hate downtown Tampa. Last week I dropped off a friend at the PoT. Mileage wise it's quicker to go through downtown (coming from Pinellas County). But if I have to go there I always just go to the Ybor exit (first exit off of I-4) and take that down to 60, and then to Channelside. I've timed it and it's actually quicker. Downtown Tampa is a clusterfuck. Not the worst downtown I've been in by a longshot but it's very aggravating. Plus I have 0 patience in traffic. Yes, I'm that guy on the road.


To get from westchase to brandon I have to go:

Veterans'
I-275
Crosstown

Now thats a fun one..

[Scorpion]

Being one who wears my pants around my waste with a belt I was just wondering if having your shorts hanging out of pants that are 10 sizes too big is something that women like or laugh at?

A couple of days ago I saw a kid with his pants hanging off of his ass, shorts sticking out and holding his pants up by grabbing his crotch, skateboarding in the street. One of his pants legs must have caught in a wheel because he did a quick header to the pavement. Think that he learned from that? Want to guess how many people were laughing at him? Free entertainment.

[ViolaLee]

Every older generation thinks the young kids dress badly.

Every older generation needs to just let them dress how they like.

That's what freedom is all about.

[Anti-Racism]

Why are we arresting and fining people for wearing pants we don't like? And what's this thing with boxers? I always thought it was perfectly legal to walk around with boxers and no pants.


Alonzo, I couldn't agree more. If you don't like multiculturalism, say it, but don't snip at people for wearing ghetto fashion. This whole thing is a blown out of proportion visible gesture of no real effect, except to screw up the lives of young African-American males, who as statistics show could use a break.

I'm too experienced with politics to be "angry," but the ludicrous nature of this activity is repellent.

[Stoner]

except to screw up the lives of young African-American males

What? Not being allowed to wear baggy pants ruins a black man's life? Did I just read that correctly? Holy Testicle Tuesday!

Get real. An inconvenience? Maybe. But ruing a life? BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!! That's like saying my life would be ruined if I wasn't allowed to eat Ben & Jerry's ice cream.

Let's get serious and not overdramatize everything.

[suedanim]

Oh for Gods sake people! White boys and young men are dressing like this by the millions. Its a fad fellas.. chill out. Its not a black man's world, so quit worrying.

I guess none of ya'll were ever YOUNG.. Never wore long hair, never dressed in a way your parents and everybody else (adults) HATED. Don't you get it? THATS the point! duh...

And they claimed Elvis would be the downfall of civilization too. wow... And the ducktail haircut... but oh, then we inherited the mullet and now you're into combovers. Whatever. Let the kids be kids for Gods sake.. you had your day!

But wait... the legislators need something to do eh? They need to show their constituents their moral values (while they sneak into bathrooms hitting on black undercover cops) and legislate how we dress for fucks sake.:unreal:

[Elrathin]

Let's get serious and not overdramatize everything.


Tell that to the people that are over dramatizing this to make a law outlawing it then. They are the whining assholes that are over dramatizing this.

[Anti-Racism]

Not being allowed to wear baggy pants ruins a black man's life?


Having the law come down on you for a choice of clothing is alienating and in some cases, is going to lead to police records. Once they're into the system, they never get out.

That's what I'm talking about.

Or were you busy reading The Color of Crime (http://amren.com/colorofcrime/color.pdf), a statistical analysis of law enforcement data that proves higher rates of black crime against whites?

[Stoner]

Having the law come down on you for a choice of clothing is alienating and in some cases, is going to lead to police records. Once they're into the system, they never get out.

That's what I'm talking about.



Oh Lord! This keeps getting better.

You can spin it any way you'd like...bottom line...not being allowed to wear baggy pants is not by any stretch of the imagination ruining a man's life, regardless of skin color.

Funny post though. Thanks!

[rscheuer]

This issue definitely can come across as being a little racist, but it does not only say African American's can get arrested for this. It does include everyone. My brother who is a little skater boy wears his pants sagged all the time. It's not to the point where his entire boxers are showing, but it's still more than enough where someone could see them. My Dad gets on his case all the time for it too. It shouldn't become a law where the offender goes to jail for six months or has to pay the $500 penalty. If the issue is that serious, the farthest it should get is a week of being grounded or something at home; not involving the authorities or jail time. With that being the consequence, it does begin to sound like it is just an excuse to get people with the stereotype of wearing baggy pants into jail or pay a fee.

[Truth_and_Power]

I don't think it's baggy pants.. I think its showing your underwear. I can see restraining this kind of thing in school.. but not in public.

[suedanim]

Showing your underwear? Boxers or athletic shorts are usually what you are seeing. Boxers today are just shorts. Come on. Most of the guys around, including my sons wear athletic shorts underneath, so there are like two, sometimes three layers of clothing on underneath the sagging jeans. PLUS they usually wear those HUGE T-shirts over them anyway... so who is seeing anything but kids walking funny in oversized clothes. Its a FAD, it will pass.

The whole thing is just ridiculous. Those tight pants, those polyester, stretch, disco dancing', camel toe showing crotch pants you guys used to wear were FAR more obscene that these sagging jeans. :lmao:

Somebody should have hauled some of ya'll off the jail just for showing up in public.

[micfranklin]

Oh for God's sake, it's legislation like this that makes me hate American governments.

Don't like to see baggy pants? Then turn your head and look somewhere else, how hard is that?

[jafar00]

Oh for God's sake, it's legislation like this that makes me hate American governments.

Don't like to see baggy pants? Then turn your head and look somewhere else, how hard is that?


The point is, turn your head to look somewhere else and what do you see? More Baggy pants and bum crack. :lmao:

[potter]

Oh for God's sake, it's legislation like this that makes me hate American governments.

Don't like to see baggy pants? Then turn your head and look somewhere else, how hard is that?


The point is, turn your head to look somewhere else and what do you see? More Baggy pants and bum crack. :lmao:



Either that or cleavage down to her navel.....

Both are unnecessary exposure but guess which one won't be outlawed? :dizzy:

[preservanation]

If it gets to the point that people start waving their wangs around in the name of fashion, I can see how that could be covered under an obscenity law.
I think baggy falling down pants look silly, we are free to look silly. The youth are experts in this, I know I was.
BAGGY PANTS?
Message to the Gov... Get the Hell out of our Lives!

Point of interest...Inmates who wear baggy pants and no belt are forced to do so by the sodomites in prisons so they can have their way with them "at the drop of a hat" (to coin a phrase). They are the "bitches"
I'm not kidding about this.

[Anti-Racism]

Message to the Gov... Get the Hell out of our Lives!


Basically.

And let us murder fools and morons without some idiot coming in to arrest us.

[dgun]

And what's this thing with boxers? I always thought it was perfectly legal to walk around with boxers and no pants.

Zo makes a good point. If it is legal to wear boxers outside, how can it be illegal to wear baggy pants?

I think the baggy pants looks stupid also, but this whole thing looks to me to be racist or at least the dominate culture pushing its values using legislation and law enforcement.

[Labrocca]

I wanna know when mens short shorts will be back in style.

http://www1.istockphoto.com/file_thumbview_approve/3337482/2/istockphoto_3337482_senior_ready_to_work_out.jpg

I have nice legs and wanna show them off.

[dgun]

lol at Lab.

I showed my 14 year old son a picture of me in high school on the basketball team. He thought my shorts were hilarious.

[preservanation]

Message to the Gov... Get the Hell out of our Lives!


Basically.

And let us murder fools and morons without some idiot coming in to arrest us.
What are you talking about?
Death by baggy pants?
For a lib, you sure are confused beyond the level of most.
IMO we have to come up with a better term other than "liberal" to encompass your incongruous views[hr]I think I know what it is.
Because my affiliation is listed as "Conservative" you feel it is your sworn duty to disagree with anything I say, no matter what it is.
Let the issues by damned.
Good tact!

let's try this "I think the Dems are going to save the world and should be elected into office for perpetuity, and as a staunch Conservative, I am urging for you to vote Dem."
There, that should seal it.
Bah!

[micfranklin]

I saw a report on some dipshit legislator trying to get that law passed in Baltimore last night. Their excuse: it might cut down on crime that we so desperately need.

It's not clicking in my head how you plan on cutting crime down by first getting rid of baggy pants. If baggy pants is that serious for you, maybe you need to work at Abercrombie & Fitch, at least everyone can take you seriously there.

[AnnEsthesia]

Frankly I would rather not see someone wearing their underwear out and about. Talk about gross.

[micfranklin]

Frankly I would rather not see someone wearing their underwear out and about. Talk about gross.


I don't like seeing undies either, but if I can avoid it by not looking at people's pants then everyone else can.

[AnnEsthesia]

Sorry mic, but that is a silly sentiment. We prosecute people who go in public inappropriately dressed. If it is simply a case of "Just don't look", then I guess public nudity or topless women should be no longer a problem.

[micfranklin]

Sorry mic, but that is a silly sentiment. We prosecute people who go in public inappropriately dressed. If it is simply a case of "Just don't look", then I guess public nudity or topless women should be no longer a problem.


There's a difference. At least with the baggy pants, people are fully dressed, and I don't remember the last time someone was prosecuted for baggy pants, at least where I live.

[AnnEsthesia]

Yet, mic, I was talking about people going out in their underwear. If your underwear is all that is covering you, it is not appropriate if you are male any more than if a woman had her jeans down so far you can see her crack as well.

[micfranklin]

Yet, mic, I was talking about people going out in their underwear. If your underwear is all that is covering you, it is not appropriate if you are male any more than if a woman had her jeans down so far you can see her crack as well.


Well of course wearing just underwear isn't appropriate.

Still, it's a waste of legislation to want to fine or punish people for what they wear. As a matter of fact, pants was never really a problem until the dumbasses who thought the idea up made it a problem.

[AnnEsthesia]

Someone earlier said wearing boxers out in public was ok. And that was what I was responding to. No, you should NOT wear your boxers out in public. If someone is wearing an outfit where their underwear is what is covering them, then yes, they should be fined.

[micfranklin]

If someone is wearing an outfit where their underwear is what is covering them, then yes, they should be fined.


That would be fining someone for wearing something in a way that you don't like. They're wasting enough taxpayer money on fining stupid things like that as it is.

Like I said, if you don't like it look somewhere else, how is their outfit harming you?

[AnnEsthesia]

Um... you just said it is NOT ok to wear underwear in public. If your pants are down at your knees, what difference does it make that you are wearing them? If your underwear is all that is covering you, then you should be fined.

[DANG]

These outlaws must be stopped!!

http://img259.imageshack.us/img259/4945/eyecandypb4.jpg http://img338.imageshack.us/img338/8387/pinkcheeksdg8.th.jpg (http://img338.imageshack.us/my.php?image=pinkcheeksdg8.jpg)

Right guys?

[AnnEsthesia]

I have as much of a problem with that as with a man and his boxers being all that covers them.

[Deadshot]

These outlaws must be stopped!!

http://img259.imageshack.us/img259/4945/eyecandypb4.jpg http://img338.imageshack.us/img338/8387/pinkcheeksdg8.th.jpg (http://img338.imageshack.us/my.php?image=pinkcheeksdg8.jpg)

Right guys?


:shock:NO!NO!NO!NO!NO!NO!NO! NEVER stop these giving, loving women:drool:

[micfranklin]

Um... you just said it is NOT ok to wear underwear in public. If your pants are down at your knees, what difference does it make that you are wearing them? If your underwear is all that is covering you, then you should be fined.


Wrong, I said it's not okay to wear just underwear in public. I highly doubt that anyone wearing baggy pant has them down at their knees, because that would be off of them.

[AnnEsthesia]

If your pants are down your ass and you are holding them up around your crotch, you are not dressed any more than I would be if I went out just wearing a towel. Sorry, but if your ass is just covered in your underwear, or not covered at all like those pics, you need to go home and change. It is called having decency.[hr]This is not acceptable, nor should you walk around in society this way. This is NOT a fashion statement any more than a woman walking around in just a bra would be.

http://msnbcmedia2.msn.com/j/msnbc/Components/Video/061024/nn_mank_baggy_061024.300w.jpg

[micfranklin]

If your pants are down your ass and you are holding them up around your crotch, you are not dressed any more than I would be if I went out just wearing a towel. Sorry, but if your ass is just covered in your underwear, or not covered at all like those pics, you need to go home and change. It is called having decency.[hr]This is not acceptable, nor should you walk around in society this way. This is NOT a fashion statement any more than a woman walking around in just a bra would be.

No. No one needs to do anything except leave everybody alone, that's one of the problems with society, we can't leave people alone when they're not doing anything harmful. Even if your undies are showing, if you have pants on then you're technically still dressed.

[Buck Laser]

These outlaws must be stopped!!

http://img259.imageshack.us/img259/4945/eyecandypb4.jpg http://img338.imageshack.us/img338/8387/pinkcheeksdg8.th.jpg (http://img338.imageshack.us/my.php?image=pinkcheeksdg8.jpg)

Right guys?


:shock:NO!NO!NO!NO!NO!NO!NO! NEVER stop these giving, loving women:drool:

I find it hilarious that when I clicked on the smaller picture, it came up with a popup ad for ADHD. I don't remember what the ad said...:dizzy:

[AnnEsthesia]

So as long as you have the correct pieces of clothing someplace on your person, you can wear your clothes however you want? So I can wear my skirt down on my knees and my shirt tied around my neck and that would be ok? Somehow I doubt it.

[DANG]

So as long as you have the correct pieces of clothing someplace on your person, you can wear your clothes however you want? So I can wear my skirt down on my knees and my shirt tied around my neck and that would be ok? Somehow I doubt it.
Keep It SimpleIndecent Exposure (http://criminal.findlaw.com/crimes/a-z/indecent_exposure.html)- Findlaw for the Public -Indecent exposure laws in most states make it a crime to purposefully display one's genitals in public, causing others to be alarmed or offended.

[AnnEsthesia]

I happen to think that purposefully exposing your ass or wearing clothing that will drop off your person if you need to remove your hand should also be included.

[Labrocca]

lol at Lab.

I showed my 14 year old son a picture of me in high school on the basketball team. He thought my shorts were hilarious.


Hey man I LOVE those shorts. Wearing psuedo shorts that are really pants sucks.

[DANG]

AnnE;
How about women who wear a tank top without a bra?
You arent going to take that away from us next....are you?

I am willing to fight for a womans equal rights.
If a man can go shirtless in the summer.....

After all: Discovery Health (http://health.discovery.com/centers/sex/sexpedia/genitals.html):: Genitals and Genitalia
Genitals or genitalia are the sex organs in the pelvic region of both men and women

[AnnEsthesia]

Yes, I understand what genitals are. I also know that if I walked out of my house with just my underwear covering my ass or with just my bra, I would be told to change or cover up. It is part of existing in civilized and polite society.

[DANG]

I think we can all agree,
http://www.mondotees.com/ProductImages/misc/Thumb_borat7.jpg
this should be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law.

This, however:
http://www.allamericanbikini.com/shop/media/Curaco_Mediterranean_Splash.jpg
is perfectly acceptable to society

[AnnEsthesia]

On the beach is different than walking down the street. We expect to see skin and rears and the rest on the beach. In the grocery store or on the street, no.

[HumanBeast]

Men really do need to not show their underwear. It's just disgusting.

[DANG]

So, you can turn on and off what is "decent"?[hr]I say; as long as the genitals are covered in public.... who cares?

[AnnEsthesia]

Can I turn it off? No. What is appropriate for one venue is not for another. That thong bikini is fine for the beach, but not for a shopping mall. It also would probably not be allowed in a family water park. And if you walked down the street looking like that, you should be asked to go and cover yourself, since that is not appropriate.

Same goes for other types of clothes. One would not wear a dress that barely covered your ass to church, so why wear it to a supermarket?

[DANG]

A lot of women dress likes sluts in church.

I am not easily shocked, but some of them dress like whores (who havent clocked out)

[AnnEsthesia]

and if the church wished to ask them to cover up or leave, they would have every right to.

Frankly, I think the picture with the girl's ass hanging out, for all that it turns you men on, looks pretty skanky to me.

[micfranklin]

So as long as you have the correct pieces of clothing someplace on your person, you can wear your clothes however you want? So I can wear my skirt down on my knees and my shirt tied around my neck and that would be ok? Somehow I doubt it.


If you were wearing your skirt down on your knees, wouldn't that count as taking your skirt off?

[DANG]

I dont feel a need to lord it over everbody else, HOW they have to look. I am more of a spectator, I guess. http://img130.imageshack.us/img130/1079/popcornde0.gif

I dont find the human body repulsive.

I just try to enjoy the show http://img130.imageshack.us/img130/1079/popcornde0.gif

Should we have an official state issued uniform?
Should this be dictated to us? Once we have a "National Dress Code";
Can we ever go back to free choice. Will they stop at what is legal to wear in public?

I dont like handing too much power to a government who doesnt think we need ANY Rights.

Puritanical guilt has its place. That place is not in my life. God gave me my sex drive. I am an artist and truly appreciate the beauty of the human form. I dont want the government busting my door down and telling me; "Your art is dirty".

Republicanism is Satanic

[AnnEsthesia]

If a man can wear his pants down on his thighs and walk around with his underwear the only thing covering him, I should be able to do the same with my skirt. But I can't because that would be an issue with most people. Typical double standards.

[micfranklin]

Well for starters, how long or short is the skirt?

[AnnEsthesia]

The length hardly matters, since it will be down around my thighs, now does it?

[Scorpion]

If a man can wear his pants down on his thighs and walk around with his underwear the only thing covering him, I should be able to do the same with my skirt. But I can't because that would be an issue with most people. Typical double standards.


I think that this debate transcends the right to dress as you please with the obligation to dress with respect to the venue.

As you said, what is acceptable on the beach would be out of line in the classroom, office or church.

In my world, it is unacceptable for a man to walk around in public wearing pants that are falling off, showing off your underwear and having to hold your crotch just to keep your pants up. Where I come from, and during my upbringing, real mean didn't dress like a fool or to emulate the mannerisms of those who espouse criminal behavior.

We are a civilized society and that is why we wear clothing so it would follow that clothing be worn in an appropriate manner rather then in some lame attempt to make a sexually related statement.

As it has been said, clothes make the man. In my opinion, the same applies to women. I think that a well groomed woman in a tasteful suit is more beautiful then one running around in a thong. If you've got intelligence and beauty there's no need to flaunt anything.

[DANG]

As long as your genitals are covered, why would it be an issue?

Just a few years ago women were wearing bras in public.
Arent womens panties just bikini bottoms by another name?

Now we are trying to legislate words and definitions.

[AnnEsthesia]

Actually, no. If I walked into a store with just my underwear on, I would be tossed out quicker than Britney can show her goods to the paparazzi.

[Scorpion]

As long as your genitals are covered, why would it be an issue?

Just a few years ago women were wearing bras in public.
Arent womens panties just bikini bottoms by another name?

Now we are trying to legislate words and definitions.


I do see your point. It always astonishes me that some women dress very conservatively in public yet get the same women around a pool or at the beach and they dress leaving nothing to the imagination.

But do you honestly want to live in a society that permits people to run around in public in what is effectively their underwear? I hope not.

[DANG]

Ann E
That would be a private property issue.

They have the right to refuse service to anyone.

In fact there was reccently a woman bartender who won a civil suit for going topless. On the street. In NYC, I believe.

[AnnEsthesia]

No actually, it is a health code issue. No shirt, no shoes, no service. Why? Because the health code states that they cannot serve you if you do not have shoes or a shirt for sanitary issues. I wish they would force women in short skirts to wear underwear as well, since that is just skank to think of their wahoos on the seat before you.

[DANG]

As long as your genitals are covered, why would it be an issue?

Just a few years ago women were wearing bras in public.
Arent womens panties just bikini bottoms by another name?

Now we are trying to legislate words and definitions.


I do see your point. It always astonishes me that some women dress very conservatively in public yet get the same women around a pool or at the beach and they dress leaving nothing to the imagination.

But do you honestly want to live in a society that permits people to run around in public in what is effectively their underwear? I hope not.
I am not a nudist.
But there should be a place for them, too in society (but behind a fence maybe)

Liberty should be more inclusive; less exclusive.
We should have "wiggle" room for diversity.

I believe the line should be drawn at nude genitalia in public.

Dont forget, God created our bodies. They are only disgusting if YOU think they are disgusting.

I dont believe some fat pedophile in DC should be dictating to me what is decent.[hr]Ann E said:
"No shirt, no shoes, no service"

Thats for restaurants and markets, right? I agree we need regulation where food is concerned.

[Scorpion]

I agree. If someone wants to be in the nude, find an appropriate place to engage in that lifestyle.

Being in medicine, I also agree that our bodies should not be viewed with anything less then awe and reverence.

But there is a place for everything and everything in its appropriate place. As an example, I had a secretary in my clinics office stop over to use my pool this summer. She wore a bikini consisting of nothing but strings. Incredible! She said that she got the "suit" while in Brazil and that it was all the rage to wear down there.

[micfranklin]

The length hardly matters, since it will be down around my thighs, now does it?


Well if it's a really short skirt and you pull it down to your knees then you'll be showing everyone what color undies you're wearing.

[AnnEsthesia]

No, the top would be on my thighs, just like the men do with their baggy pants they have to hold to keep from falling to the floor.

[micfranklin]

Well, I guess more people would be looking at you then me or any other guy.

[preservanation]

Frankly I would rather not see someone wearing their underwear out and about. Talk about gross.

When did we start enacting laws on the basis of what AnnEsthesia considers "gross".
Unbelievable.

[AnnEsthesia]

It is called an opinion, preservation. I am allowed to have mine, even if you disagree. BTW, you and your ilk want to control what I do with my own body, so gee, I think I should be allowed to say what someone does outside of theirs... sounds fair to me.

[preservanation]

IMO abortion is murder.
Sorry, no one should have the right to that.

[AnnEsthesia]

In your opinion. Thankfully, you get to choose what you do with your body and I get to choose what I do with mine.

[preservanation]

When your choice includes the murder of an innocent life that's were I draw the line.

Too bad we got off on this AnnE.

"Baggy Pants" is a much lighter subject eh?