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Alonzo
09-17-2007, 04:45 PM
DES MOINES, Iowa (CNN) -- Democratic presidential candidate Sen. Hillary Clinton announced a $110 billion health care reform plan Monday that would require all Americans to have health insurance.

Clinton unveiled her plan during a high-profile speech at a hospital in the key campaign state of Iowa, surrounded by supporters, American flags and campaign banners.

"Here in America people are dying because they couldn't get the care they needed when they were sick."

"I'm here today because I believe it is long past time that this nation had an answer," Clinton said. "I believe America is ready for change."

"It's time to provide quality affordable health care for every American," Clinton said. "And I intend to be the president who accomplishes that goal finally for our country."

Under the plan, federal subsidies would be provided for those who are not able to afford insurance, and large businesses would be required to provide or help pay for their employees' insurance.

Clinton said her plan would not require small businesses to take part, but will offer tax credits to encourage them to do so.

About 46.6 million people in the United States were without health care insurance in 2005, including 8.3 million children, according to a U.S. Census Bureau report released last year.

"I know my Republican opponents will try to equate this plan with government-run health care. Well don't let them fool you again," Clinton said, explaining that her plan would allow participants to "keep the doctors you know and trust" while it would expand "personal choice" and keep costs down.

Clinton's package would also require insurers to provide coverage for anyone who applies for it and would also bar insurance companies from charging people with greater health care costs more for their premiums.

As first lady in 1993 and 1994, Clinton spearheaded an effort that would have overhauled the provision of health care. Critics compared her plan to socialized medicine, and it was killed by opposition from special-interest groups -- including doctors and pharmaceutical companies.

Clinton's Democratic rival, Sen. Chris Dodd of Connecticut, used her past attempts at health care reform in criticizing Clinton's proposal.

"The mismanagement of the effort in 1993 and 1994 has set back our ability to move toward universal health care immeasurably," Dodd said in a statement. "We've known what the problems have been for nearly 15 years and what the solutions could be. What's been missing is leadership that knows how to bring people together and get the job done."

The campaign of fellow Democrat John Edwards, which has already put out a detailed a health care plan, will up the ante Monday during a speech to the Laborers' International Union of North America in Chicago, Illinois, campaign sources said.

The Edwards proposal would cut off health care for the president, Congress and all political appointees in mid 2009, if a universal health care plan for all Americans has not been passed by then.

Edwards is expected to outline "basic principles" the health care plan would have to meet, the sources said.


http://www.cnn.com/2007/POLITICS/09/17/health.care/index.html

Marley
09-17-2007, 04:52 PM
Excellent.

I'm suprised, the usual liberal campaign ploy is to sell a pig in a poke. Vague undefined promises.

I can't believe a candidate is going to lay their cards on the table.

We'll see how much truth there is to the verb "unveil."

preservanation
09-17-2007, 05:00 PM
Gee, it worked so well for her in the 90's, why not?

bobbylien
09-17-2007, 05:49 PM
I'm suprised, the usual liberal campaign ploy is to sell a pig in a poke. Vague undefined promises.

Vague undefined promises? You mean the motto of the 2001 Bush Campaign? Like when Bush said getting our troops involved overseas was harming our armed forces? Every campaign is full of promises the candidate knows he/she can't keep.

Buck Laser
09-17-2007, 05:54 PM
I'm suprised, the usual liberal campaign ploy is to sell a pig in a poke. Vague undefined promises.

Vague undefined promises? You mean the motto of the 2001 Bush Campaign? Like when Bush said getting our troops involved overseas was harming our armed forces? Every campaign is full of promises the candidate knows he/she can't keep.

How DARE you bring that up? :blah: :madlaugh:

BoogyMan
09-17-2007, 05:58 PM
I would seriously like to know how Hillary plans to provide for the following:

"I know my Republican opponents will try to equate this plan with government-run health care. Well don't let them fool you again," Clinton said, explaining that her plan would allow participants to "keep the doctors you know and trust" while it would expand "personal choice" and keep costs down.

Alonzo
09-17-2007, 06:01 PM
I think she's doing what Romney did. Essentially make it so everyone has to have insurance and restricting what insurance companies can do, but not changing the procedure of having health insurance and going to the hospital.

heyjude
09-17-2007, 06:14 PM
Having insurance alone will not help that much. Many people have found to their horror that their insurance will not cover what they need. And there is a limit to the amount they will spend. If you are terribly hurt, you can blow through your insurance limit quickly, and then have no coverage. As a nurse, I have seen it happen. It is not much help if the doctors can keep you alive and then not fix what is broken.

Marley
09-17-2007, 06:32 PM
Still no cards?

Let's see this plan!

Question #1: HOW MUCH?

I know the federal government skims 15.1% of my earnings for two programs, then withholds another 0% to 35% of my earnings before I can choose between medicine and food.

So how much is the hit going to be?

A percentage of my earnings? How much?

A dollar amount like my existing insurance? How much?

You all pretend screeching the leftist mantra "Bush! Bush! Bush!" means diddly squat, ok? Wake me up when you actually have something, like HOW MUCH my pocket will be picked for.

Thanks!

Deadshot
09-17-2007, 06:47 PM
Considering what I pay in health insurance now, that plus the costs that health insurance doesn't pay for, as long as it's not over 11% of my paycheck, which is what I'm paying now, I'm fine.

If it's more then 11%, I'd have to see by how much. 12%-15% to cover everyone where there is no out of pocket for prescriptions, dental, health, etc. then I'm fine. If it's 15% or higher they'll be some problems.

But whereas you are ready to kill it NOW, emale, I'll at least wait and see what the numbers are to pass judgement.

Marley
09-17-2007, 06:54 PM
In short, I posted two things "excellent" and "how much?"

And now I have some yahoo accusing me of "ready to kill."

Great cognitive skills pal.