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December
09-17-2007, 04:33 PM
In the week in which General Patraeus reports back to US Congress on the impact the recent ‘surge’ is having in Iraq, a new poll reveals that more than 1,000,000 Iraqi citizens have been murdered since the invasion took place in 2003.

Previous estimates, most noticeably the one published in the Lancet in October 2006, suggested almost half this number (654,965 deaths).
These findings come from a poll released today by ORB, the British polling agency that has been tracking public opinion in Iraq since 2005. In conjunction with their Iraqi fieldwork agency a representative sample of 1,499 adults aged 18+ answered the following question:-

QHow many members of your household, if any, have died as a result of the conflict in Iraq since 2003 (ie as a result of violence rather than a natural death such as old age)? Please note that I mean those who were actually living under your roof.

None 78%
One 16%
Two 5%
Three 1%
Four or more 0.002%

Given that from the 2005 census there are a total of 4,050,597 households this data suggests a total of 1,220,580 deaths since the invasion in 2003.

Detailed analysis (which is available on our website) indicates that almost one in two households in Baghdad have lost a family member, significantly higher than in any other area of the country. The governorates of Diyala (42%) and Ninewa (35%) were next.

The poll also questioned the surviving relatives on the method in which their loved ones were killed. It reveals that 48% died from a gunshot wound, 20% from the impact of a car bomb, 9% from aerial bombardment, 6% as a result of an accident and 6% from another blast/ordnance. This is significant because more often that not it is car bombs and aerial bombardments that make the news – with gunshots rarely in the headlines.

As well as a murder rate that now exceeds the Rwanda genocide from 1994 (800,000 murdered), not only have more than one million been injured but our poll calculates that of the millions of Iraqis that have fled their neighbourhoods, 52% have moved within Iraq but 48% have crossed its borders, with Syria taking the bulk of refugees.

And for those left in Iraq, although 81% may describe the availability of basic groceries such as bread and fresh vegetables as “very/fairly good”, more than one in two (54%) consider them to be “expensive”.

http://www.opinion.co.uk/Newsroom_details.aspx?NewsId=78

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Drocket
09-17-2007, 09:46 PM
Previous estimates, most noticeably the one published in the Lancet in October 2006, suggested almost half this number (654,965 deaths).
This makes it sound incompatible with the previous study, but it actually backs it up - it appears that about another 400,000 deaths have happened in the past year and a half since the Lancet survey was done. This accelerated rate of death corresponds pretty accurately to the rising number of recorded attacks in Iraq.

But, of course, we're winning in Iraq. You know, other than the dead people.

Oedipus Rex
09-18-2007, 07:38 AM
Blah, blah, blah. Over 840,000 unborn children are killed each year in THIS country and I don't see any of you bleeding hearts wiping tears from your eyes over them.



Just in case any of you guys care, here are the population statistics. Looks as if some numbers have been cooked so that your story sounds better.



Population: 24,683,313 (July 2003 est.)
Population growth rate: 2.78% (2003 est.)
http://permanent.access.gpo.gov/lps35389/2003/iz.html


Population (2007 est.): 27,499,638
(growth rate: 2.6%); birth rate:
http://www.infoplease.com/ipa/A0107644.html

heyjude
09-18-2007, 08:32 PM
So Oedipus Rex, you equate the death of a thing the size of this "." with the death of the little three year old boy I have seen three times on tv. Even death could not prevent one seeing that he had been a beautiful little boy. He was in the arms of a very angry man, who kept shouting to the camera, "Do you see what you have done." The baby was killed by one of the bombs we had dropped. You actually think they are the same? You are strange. And yes, we are responsible for 1.2 million deaths in Iraq. They were living and bigger that the periods at the end of sentances. There were only 25 million when the war started. 24 million to go.

Labrocca
09-18-2007, 08:39 PM
Population: 24,683,313 (July 2003 est.)

So basically we only have another 23 million and our job is done there...sweet! And who says the Iraq war will last forever? I see victory in a decade or two.