We Pull Out of Iraq and the Blood Bath Begins

[crimzonsol]

If we pull out of Iraq the Middle East will Trasform Into a Free-For-all Warzone, you think what has happened in Iraq is bad wait untill the entire Middle East realizes that nobody is going to send troops to the Middle East.

How it will start

Land Grab from Iraq
How long will a dived Iraq survive when all the countries around it know that they will encounter little to no resistance in taking land from Iraq.

It will start with the Kurdish people trying to create a state since they can no longer count on support from the Us.
Then Iran will enter Iraq to secure itself from a sucesfull Kurdish Rebellion which will make its people think about Rebellion.
After Putting down The Kurdish Rebellion it will take over Iraq to make sure that no one else thinks about rebelling against Iran. Those who do not want to become part of Iran will turn to the only other military power in the Middle East and one of Irans biggest enemies Israel. this will ignite every fire that has been smoldering for the last thousand years as people realize that Israel & Iran both want power and will help its allies. Everybody that has a bone to pick with someone else will approach Israel or Iran to get there help, and the group they attack will go to the other side to get help.The other countries will not want Iran to be the major power in the area, thus they will try to take as much as they can or support groups against Iran. These groups who oppose Iran will turn to one of Iran's Enemies, Israel.

Then the Blood Bath will begin. Every group that wants something from another will go to one of the two sides, Israel of Iran, to get help. There will be two sides that both want to be the dominate Power in the Middle East, neither will turn down the offer to have a friendly government installed.

Why I think this.

One, Iran Wants Power, First It will have to gain power in the Middle East, who is preventing them from getting that Power? Israel. Normally these groups would be careful fearing a reprisal by the West, If the West Pulls out it will show that they have nothing to fear from The West. Like Rwanda they will get the go ahead because some Idiot turned saving peoples lifes into an a Political Issue, that Democrats & Republicans can't agree on.

Two, he spot light has been on Iran and since then it has been arming itself, WHAT DO YOU THINK THAT THE COUNTRIES THAT NORMALLY EXPRIENCE CLOSE SCRUTINY HAVE BEEN DOING NOW THAT EVERYONE IS FOCOUSED ON IRAN?

[Elrathin]

Or we pull out of Iraq and the Iraqis stand together and kick AQ out.

[crimzonsol]

Aq Has nothing to do with this, If you read what I said NOTHING mentioned AQ being relevant to any of this up until the different groups go to there respective sides, then AQ gets minor importance, since it mostly works against the west, also the group will break up as some go to their respective countries to work there.

[PatrickHenry]

crimzon, no need to worry. Uncle Sam will never be leaving Iraq.

Reduction in the occupation troops will happen, because the nation connot sustain the type of effort it has for the last four and a half years.

But the permanent bases will remain...along with plenty of US troops.
http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/facility/iraq-intro.htm

So don't get your panties all twisted up...

[crimzonsol]

You know that those Bases where Supposed to be Built by last year? and do you really think that 3 bases will Stop Iran?

This will not happen if the Democrats get power, most likely they will get scrapped because as I said before saving people is all politics now.

[bobbylien]

You know that those Bases where Supposed to be Built by last year? and do you really think that 3 bases will Stop Iran?

Are you foolish enough to believe that Iran would attack our bases in Iraq?
Why would Iran invade Iraq? Just because they could doesn't mean they will. They are trying hard to gain the support of the rest of the world and invading Iraq wouldn't help them.

[Elrathin]

You know that those Bases where Supposed to be Built by last year? and do you really think that 3 bases will Stop Iran?

This will not happen if the Democrats get power, most likely they will get scrapped because as I said before saving people is all politics now.


I'm sorry from your comments I cannot understand are you saying those bases being built will stop Iran or won't. If you are saying they won't, then who cares who is in power?

If you do think they will stop them, then how?

[ECW]

They won't have to invade Iraq. If they wait long enough the Shia Iraqis will seek them out to help them "quell" the Sunni Insurgency which will cause the Saudis, Jordanians, and Egyptians to jump in. Short of everyone killing each other, the Arab League will step in and broker a peace that we cannot bring anyone to the table over.

We Pull Out of Iraq and the Blood Bath Begins

I don't know if you have been watching the news lately but the blood bath has already begus with the ethnic cleansing of Iraqi cities and the 4 million Iraqis living outside of Iraq because we cannot enforce the peace. No westerner is safe travelling anywhere in Iraq and the place is a powderkeg. Why? Because we are still there and giving everyone who hates us a great big target to shoot at. Once we wise up and leave, AQ won't be able to recruit new members, other Arab nations will step in to broker peace and Iraqis will have their country back.

[crimzonsol]

Of Course Iran would attack our bases, we have proven that we have no bite.

Second I did not ay that they would attack our base, there is more than one way to skin a cat.
Now I will explain how they can do it with out attacking our bases.

1. The Kurds will try to create a state of their own.
2. Iran will graciously extand a helping hand to its fledging neighbour to deal with it since they need to mantian order in the rest of the Iraq.
3 There are several things that could happen.
If Iraq allows Iran to do this, the Kurds will most likely approach Israel because nobody else will help them, or has the power to help them.
3-1 When Israel decides to help, Iran will Accuse Israel of atempting to over throw the Iraqi Government and Install Kurds as the rulers.
3-2 Iran can then use this as a rallying call for "helping" Iraq by suppling them with its soldiers.
3-3 The Iraqi people do not want an Israeli installed leade so they will accept Irans offer.
3-4 What I mentioned above, all the Different groups will recognize this as an opportune moment to dispose of those who are currently in power or are resisting their power.
3-5 Blood Bath Begins.
However if Iraq should refuse Irans help
4 Iranian soldiers will some how be attacked by the Kurds
4-1 Iran will invade Iraq to secure its safety (sound Familliar)
4-2 Either Iraq or the Kurds will plead with Israel to help.
4-3 Sound Familliar, same as 3-4
4-4 Blood Bath Begins[hr]
I don't know if you have been watching the news lately but the blood bath has already begus with the ethnic cleansing of Iraqi cities and the 4 million Iraqis living outside of Iraq because we cannot enforce the peace. No westerner is safe travelling anywhere in Iraq and the place is a powderkeg. Why? Because we are still there and giving everyone who hates us a great big target to shoot at. Once we wise up and leave, AQ won't be able to recruit new members, other Arab nations will step in to broker peace and Iraqis will have their country back.


ECW, I wrote this assuming that people who are Dictators can see opportunities to increase their own power.
Their definition of peace is not the same as ours. They propose that the Killing of all Jews in Israel is the only way to obtain peace in that area.

[ViolaLee]

Bush sure made a big fuckin' mess-o-potamia didn't he?

[crimzonsol]

Yes He did, And who is going to have to clean it up? Certainly not us, we live in North America, we aren't affected, its just Jews & Muslims diesing why would we care, We didn't care about Rwanda because they were just a bunch of Black people killing other Black people.

[PatrickHenry]

How about giving the Iraqis what THEY want?


http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/44107000/gif/_44107043_coalition_forces_203.gif
The US is staying so GW Bush doesn't have to admit that he's a punk-ass failure. Meanwhile billions of US taxpayer dollars are fluttering away to land in the pockets of wealthy greed-head war profiteers. http://iraqforsale.org/

[heyjude]

The Kurds are already causing trouble. They are attacking Turkey and Iran. With American weapons. And the Turks and Iranians are getting pissed about it. Also, the Kurds are trying to make a private deal with to give their oil to a Texan oil company. I think Hunt Oil? A close friend of Bush. That deal is a violation of the Iraqi constitution.

[mammalicious]

Iran won't invade Iraq...the Iraqi Shia that compose the majority of the country will work WITH them. Not one drop of blood needs spilled there...they are all shia muslim.

This administration has been wrong about every prediction they have made...so when they say Iraq will fall apart if we leave (that is after Tony snow tells the press that no one can predict the future...especially when they contradict the administration's assessment) it must mean that things will look up for the region!

[jafar00]

What makes you think Iran would invade? Iran has never invaded another country in it's thousands of years history.

If anything, Iranian money and support would flood in to rebuild Iraq and the Iraqis would get things like clean water and electricity again.

[lily]

It will start with the Kurdish people trying to create a state since they can no longer count on support from the Us.
Then Iran will enter Iraq to secure itself from a sucesfull Kurdish Rebellion which will make its people think about Rebellion.
After Putting down The Kurdish Rebellion it will take over Iraq to make sure that no one else thinks about rebelling against Iran. Those who do not want to become part of Iran will turn to the only other military power in the Middle East and one of Irans biggest enemies Israel. this will ignite every fire that has been smoldering for the last thousand years as people realize that Israel & Iran both want power and will help its allies. Everybody that has a bone to pick with someone else will approach Israel or Iran to get there help, and the group they attack will go to the other side to get help.The other countries will not want Iran to be the major power in the area, thus they will try to take as much as they can or support groups against Iran. These groups who oppose Iran will turn to one of Iran's Enemies, Israel.

I see a couple of things wrong with your scenario, crim.
1. You forget that the Iraqis already fought with Iran and kicked them out. Now before you say that the Iraqi's no longer have an army to fight with, remember that we just armed and trained thousand and they don't seem to want to fight AQ, but I'm sure the would be more than willing to fight another innvader.

2. We are now proposing a deal to sell arms to Saudi Arabia, Jordan and Egypt. They are not going to allow any more instability in their region....... Bush might have even antisipated this happening. Who knows?

3. Last but not least.........Israel has nukes.

[preservanation]

What makes you think Iran would invade? Iran has never invaded another country in it's thousands of years history.


Not for the lack of trying.
What was the war with Saddam all about?
A petty exercise?
"Ha, we won, now you can have you country back, Saddam."
Nuts[hr]The main difference between the horrific blood-bath that ensued after we pulled out of Vie Nam and the one that will occur if we pull out of Iraq, is that in Iraq, the enemy will follow us home.

[Scorpion]

crimzon, no need to worry. Uncle Sam will never be leaving Iraq.

Reduction in the occupation troops will happen, because the nation connot sustain the type of effort it has for the last four and a half years.

But the permanent bases will remain...along with plenty of US troops.
http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/facility/iraq-intro.htm

So don't get your panties all twisted up...


I agree. The US will maintain a permanent tactical presence in Iraq, just as we have done in Korea, Japan, Germany, Kosovo and elsewhere. That token presence will deter Iran from attempting any adventure into Iraq, allow us to monitor progress in Iraq and provide an opportunity to continue training Iraqi security forces.

[preservanation]

crimzon, no need to worry. Uncle Sam will never be leaving Iraq.

Reduction in the occupation troops will happen, because the nation connot sustain the type of effort it has for the last four and a half years.

But the permanent bases will remain...along with plenty of US troops.
http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/facility/iraq-intro.htm

So don't get your panties all twisted up...


I agree. The US will maintain a permanent tactical presence in Iraq, just as we have done in Korea, Japan, Germany, Kosovo and elsewhere. That token presence will deter Iran from attempting any adventure into Iraq, allow us to monitor progress in Iraq and provide an opportunity to continue training Iraqi security forces.

I agree with you both and this will not change no matter what party wins the White House.

[lily]

The main difference between the horrific blood-bath that ensued after we pulled out of Vie Nam and the one that will occur if we pull out of Iraq, is that in Iraq, the enemy will follow us home.



What in your mind is going to constitute following us home? Another attack or a total all out invasion?

[crimzonsol]

seems people disagree with what I am saying.
Because they are not reading what I sy properly.


How about giving the Iraqis what THEY want?


If you read what I have said you will realise that nobody except the Iraqi people care about the Iraqi people, everybody is using it to push their own agenda.



Iran won't invade Iraq...the Iraqi Shia that compose the majority of the country will work WITH them. Not one drop of blood needs spilled there...they are all shia muslim.

This administration has been wrong about every prediction they have made...so when they say Iraq will fall apart if we leave (that is after Tony snow tells the press that no one can predict the future...especially when they contradict the administration's assessment) it must mean that things will look up for the region!


Why is Everybody just concentrating on Iran, I wrote about Iran because it is one of two main powers in the Middle East, the Middle East Soviet Union if you will. What Happened in the Cold War? The US & the USSR fought in other peoples countries, What do you think Israel & Iran will do?

Things are not looking up for the reason, The Iraq war has only made sure that The Date for the Blood Bath has been set.


What makes you think Iran would invade? Iran has never invaded another country in it's thousands of years history.

If anything, Iranian money and support would flood in to rebuild Iraq and the Iraqis would get things like clean water and electricity again.



Please Read:

Now I will explain how they can do it with out attacking our bases.

1. The Kurds will try to create a state of their own.
2. Iran will graciously extand a helping hand to its fledging neighbour to deal with it since they need to mantian order in the rest of the Iraq.
3 There are several things that could happen.
If Iraq allows Iran to do this, the Kurds will most likely approach Israel because nobody else will help them, or has the power to help them.
3-1 When Israel decides to help, Iran will Accuse Israel of atempting to over throw the Iraqi Government and Install Kurds as the rulers.
3-2 Iran can then use this as a rallying call for "helping" Iraq by suppling them with its soldiers.
3-3 The Iraqi people do not want an Israeli installed leade so they will accept Irans offer.
3-4 What I mentioned above, all the Different groups will recognize this as an opportune moment to dispose of those who are currently in power or are resisting their power.
3-5 Blood Bath Begins.
However if Iraq should refuse Irans help
4 Iranian soldiers will some how be attacked by the Kurds
4-1 Iran will invade Iraq to secure its safety (sound Familliar)
4-2 Either Iraq or the Kurds will plead with Israel to help.
4-3 Sound Familliar, same as 3-4
4-4 Blood Bath Begins


They Do not have to Invade.
You Asked why would they invade?

1. Power
2. Trying to upset the balance of power in the Middle East by daring Israel to help those that would oppose Iran in that war.
3. Legitimately because the Kurds Have attacked them, the Kurds will ask Israel for help, the Iraqis will join with the Iranians to put down the Kurds, Iraq would then become a battle ground between Israel and Iran.


1. You forget that the Iraqis already fought with Iran and kicked them out. Now before you say that the Iraqi's no longer have an army to fight with, remember that we just armed and trained thousand and they don't seem to want to fight AQ, but I'm sure the would be more than willing to fight another innvader.


Agian you are assuming that they will invade, also if they did invade, who Iraq turn to if it was losing the war against Iran?
Someone who is just itching to blow Iran sky high?
someone who would help the Iraqi Government Stay in Power by eliminating all their opponents? (Hint, they have already kill alot of people deemed dangerous after Munich.)


2. We are now proposing a deal to sell arms to Saudi Arabia, Jordan and Egypt. They are not going to allow any more instability in their region.......who knows, Bush might have even antisipated this happening. Who knows?


And How do you think they will stop Instability? By Killing those responsable for it, Iran would support those groups that they were trying to eliminate, Same Situation except its Iran vs. Suadi Arabia, Jordan And Eygypt. Egypt & Jordon will have no problem with calling on Israel for Help.



3. Last but not least.........Israel has nukes.


The US has nukes, didn't stop the Iraqis from fighting.

The fact that Israel has Nukes is the reason why they won't actually fight, they will help other people to fight. you remember the cold War?


I agree. The US will maintain a permanent tactical presence in Iraq, just as we have done in Korea, Japan, Germany, Kosovo and elsewhere. That token presence will deter Iran from attempting any adventure into Iraq, allow us to monitor progress in Iraq and provide an opportunity to continue training Iraqi security forces.


None of you are thinking like politions, Iran does not have to Invade, THEY CAN DO IT ECONMICALY (If you kick the US out we will support you and eliminate your opponents, Israel will support those Opponents)
THEY CAN DO IT POLITICALY, AS I HAVE ALREADY MENTIONED.

The reason you people don't understand my points, is that you are looking from an American Civillians point of view, you have to look at it from a Middle Eastern Politions point of view.

[preservanation]

The main difference between the horrific blood-bath that ensued after we pulled out of Vie Nam and the one that will occur if we pull out of Iraq, is that in Iraq, the enemy will follow us home.



What in your mind is going to constitute following us home? Another attack or a total all out invasion?
In the short term, more attacks at the expense of innocent American lives.
In the long term an all out invasion of our culture and political system aided by the willing dupes and useful idiots of the multicultural and politically correct crowd.

I have already resigned to the fact that the conservatives will have to fight this war on terror without the left.
I just hope the libs don't succeed in stopping us all together.

[crimzonsol]

The main difference between the horrific blood-bath that ensued after we pulled out of Vie Nam and the one that will occur if we pull out of Iraq, is that in Iraq, the enemy will follow us home.



What in your mind is going to constitute following us home? Another attack or a total all out invasion?
In the short term, more attacks at the expense of innocent American lives.
In the long term an all out invasion of our culture and political system aided by the willing dupes and useful idiots of the multicultural and politically correct crowd.


That won't happen, they will be to busy killing each other to anything to America other than jack up oil prices.

[preservanation]

The main difference between the horrific blood-bath that ensued after we pulled out of Vie Nam and the one that will occur if we pull out of Iraq, is that in Iraq, the enemy will follow us home.



What in your mind is going to constitute following us home? Another attack or a total all out invasion?
In the short term, more attacks at the expense of innocent American lives.
In the long term an all out invasion of our culture and political system aided by the willing dupes and useful idiots of the multicultural and politically correct crowd.


That won't happen, they will be to busy killing each other to anything to America other than jack up oil prices.
I don't know.
I think the idea of the 'Great Satan" will not go away if we turn tail in Iraq.

I think they will perceive this as weakness and us as a paper tiger, like they did in Somalia and actually step up the pressure.
Talk about a recruitment tool, hooo boy.
"We defeated the mighty US! See how strong we are? Follow me to Allah! Ay,Ay Ay Ayyyy.!"
I remember the daily "Death to America" dances in Iran and elsewhere in the 70's and we were no where near Iraq.
No, I think they will not just go away.
They are in this for the long haul, and we should be too.

[crimzonsol]

I never said they would go away, I said that their priorities would change from kill America to Kill Israel. and that would start the blood bath in the Middle East.

[preservanation]

I never said they would go away, I said that their priorities would change from kill America to Kill Israel. and that would start the blood bath in the Middle East.

Oh, yes it would. You're right, and millions of people will die.
Not a legacy that would serve us well in the future, morally or politically.
These ramifications are lost on some and the short-sightedness of it all saddens me.

[crimzonsol]

Me to, but so far neither the Republicans or the Dmocrats are willing to lose the election to save us from that legacy.

[preservanation]

Me to, but so far neither the Republicans or the Dmocrats are willing to lose the election to save us from that legacy.
What would you suggest?
Pull out, step it up (ie. go after Iran and Syria hard) or go with the current plan spearheaded by Petraeus?
Or maybe another option?

[crimzonsol]

We I would consider that we Nuke them all, but no it has to be humanitarian.:D

I can see no way of avioding it, there is going to be a Blood Bath, but we can Limit who it is that is killed.
Here's how we do it:
We tell everyone that we are going to be there for another three months. That would give everybody a deadline of three months, but what we only tell Israel and our Allies is that we are going to leave in two months, of course we would have slowly be draining of forces. That way our Iran will be expecting an attack in three months that will show up in two.

We also need to give Israel the means to do what it needs to do, i.e. let it use that F-22s , let actually be able to attack with out it having to worry that much about International opinion.

Israel already has most of the means to do what it needs to do, we just need to give an opening.

To do that we allow Mohasad to eliminate as many of the key Iranians as they can, but we should say that we did it, make like we are going to attack Iran after we pull out of Iraq in three months, then let Israel have free reign after two months.

The three months can be changed, I just used three to make what I said coherent.

There may be other ways, but this is the one I think will work.

[preservanation]

crimzonsol, you are a wily fox.
I like the idea of including Israel and the misdirection you propose.
Short of turning their sand into glass that's a good one!:D

[crimzonsol]

Now all we have to do is get the Democrats to agree with us.

How about I'll go into the Middle East and fight while you convince the Democrats. Hehe I get the easy job.:)

That would be my solution to this problem, I can see no real solution to this problem because the Democrats will probably screw it up as much as Bush screwed this up. What about you preservanation, can you think of a solution to the problem that the Democrats will allow?

[mammalicious]

What makes you think Iran would invade? Iran has never invaded another country in it's thousands of years history.


Not for the lack of trying.
What was the war with Saddam all about?
A petty exercise?
"Ha, we won, now you can have you country back, Saddam."
Nuts[hr]The main difference between the horrific blood-bath that ensued after we pulled out of Vie Nam and the one that will occur if we pull out of Iraq, is that in Iraq, the enemy will follow us home.



Huh?? Iraqi militias will travel to the US?? The AQ that is in Iraq is in Iraq to keep it destabilized (they are primarily Iraqis that have sworn allegiance to AQ AFTER we invaded)..and if they get to kill Americans, it's a bonus for them...they are NOT the same organization that struck on 9/11. I have seen no reports from intelligence agencies that suggest fighters in Iraq will hop in a boat and come here. As for being hit again...that WILL happen regardless of whether or not we are in Iraq. Petraeus, when asked directly and under oath in congressional testimony, could not state that fighting in Iraq has made the US safer (as the prez likes to say).

[crimzonsol]

That Issue was already cleared up mammalicious in the posts 25 & 26, please read the thread before posting.

[preservanation]

Now all we have to do is get the Democrats to agree with us.
Whatever you are smoking...
give me some.[hr] can you think of a solution to the problem that the Democrats will allow? Go back in time and get a Gore or Kerry elected, then whatever is happening now would be sheer genius and the president would be the greatest leader in the history of this nation.
Ah, unparalleled military brilliance!

The only other one I can think of is if all people who disagree with them are sent to a gulag,
or put to work trundling them around in rickshaws!

[crimzonsol]

you know that plan has a higher succes rate than trying to convince the Democrats, Maybe we should just not tell them about it?

[mammalicious]

That Issue was already cleared up mammalicious in the posts 25 & 26, please read the thread before posting.



You and preservanation seem to think that they haven't already had their sights on Israel. That they would just turn it on them after the US pulls out? We are THERE because for whatever reason we are allowing Americans to die for Israel.

Perhaps the bloodbath can be avoided if the US stops meddling altogether. Where is the drive towards energy independance? If countries can supply their energy needs without oil...then that commodity becomes worthless, and funds begin to dry up. Unfortunately, the vibe I got from your post, it seems that you have no problem with death..as long as you are on the giving end. Again...how do you think the backstab helps that ''Great Satan'' image? Is it any wonder why that identity sticks around with attitudes like this? You can lie about the attack date...but it doesn't take months to launch a retaliatory strike when an attack is sensed, and you assume that plans won't leak and THEY move TWO months early. Then there is definitely no where to go but armageddon when neither side sees good faith in the other.

[preservanation]

you know that plan has a higher succes rate than trying to convince the Democrats, Maybe we should just not tell them about it?
I'm hoping that when they realize that their positions are politically untenable they will come around for fear of losing power.

Their 800 pound gorilla is Soros and his moveon bunch, who will yank the purse strings and destroy them over the Internet if they even hint of changing their tune.

[crimzonsol]

You seem to think that they haven't already had their sights on Israel. That they would turn it on them if the US pulls out? We are THERE because for whatever reason we are allowing Americans to die for Israel.

Perhaps the bloodbath can be avoided if the US stops meddling altogether. Where is the drive towards energy independance? If countries can supply their energy needs without oil...then that commodity becomes worthless, and funds begin to dry up. Unfortunately, the vibe I got from your post, it seems that you have no problem with death..as long as you are on the giving end. Again...how do you think the backstab helps that ''Great Satan'' image? Is it any wonder why that identity sticks around with attitudes like this? You can lie about the attack date...but it doesn't take months to launch a retaliatory strike when an attack is sensed, and you assume that plans won't leak and THEY move TWO months early.


The blood Bath can not be stoped from what I can tell, but if you know a way it can please share, I would rather that there is not a blood Bath. But I do believe in being prepared.

As for the plans being leaked, how does a Muslim sneak into a Jewish and White person meeting?:)

Better to be on the giving end then the recieving end, but my bias in this matter is probably due to the fact I have whats left of my family in Israel.

Putting good faith in someone who has vowed to kill you is not a good way to survive

Your points are valid, but saying somethings wrong and providing a solution are to different things.[hr]

you know that plan has a higher succes rate than trying to convince the Democrats, Maybe we should just not tell them about it?
I'm hoping that when they realize that their positions are politically untenable they will come around for fear of losing power.

Their 800 pound gorilla is Soros and his moveon bunch, who will yank the purse strings and destroy them over the Internet if they even hint of changing their tune.


I hope so, I also hope that I am dead wrong about What is going to happen after we pull out, I guess being 15 all I can do is hope.

[lily]

In the short term, more attacks at the expense of innocent American lives.

As we've pretty much seen those attacks will be done mostly by people that are already here or by second generation. Attacks are going to happen whether we are in Iraq or not.


In the long term an all out invasion of our culture and political system aided by the willing dupes and useful idiots of the multicultural and politically correct crowd.

How are they going to accomplish this? Should I be testing my water? I'm serious when I ask questions. I don't realy expect the talking point of the day. Come on..........extra points for some originality.

I have already resigned to the fact that the conservatives will have to fight this war on terror without the left.
I just hope the libs don't succeed in stopping us all together.

That's the old spirit! I rather like this idea. I'm not much for profiling, but I guess if we can do don't ask don't tell for gays, I'm sure you will allow non-consservatives to enlist? If not you're going to be in a world of hurt.[hr]

Here's how we do it:
We tell everyone that we are going to be there for another three months. That would give everybody a deadline of three months, but what we only tell Israel and our Allies is that we are going to leave in two months, of course we would have slowly be draining of forces. That way our Iran will be expecting an attack in three months that will show up in two.

You don't think anyone is going to notice that we're gone?

[crimzonsol]

How are they going to accomplish this? Should I be testing my water? I'm serious when I ask questions. I don't realy expect the talking point of the day. Come on..........extra points for some originality.


Is that a chalenge?
I will anwser your question with another, have Blacks influenced our culture at all?
Not Being Racist, just wanted to put that out there

[lily]

Is that a chalenge?

I sure hope so!


I will anwser your question with another, have Blacks influenced our culture at all?
Not Being Racist, just wanted to put that out there

Yes, as have the Irish, the Jews, the Germans, the French, the British, the Canadians, the Mexicans, the Japanese, the Chinese, the Catholics, the Protestants, the Evangelicals, the Baptist, the gays, the children, the elderly, the television, the radio, the internet, the media........

.........are we going someplace with this? I don't see this as some type of invasion that we all must prepare for and fight against.

[maineman]

I don't think that Iran needs to attack anything. I think that the shiites in Iraq will prevail - or the country will be partitioned, and the shiite portion (south and east) will naturally align itself with Iran without Iran having to fire a shot.

[crimzonsol]

I don't see this as some type of invasion that we all must prepare for and fight against.


Not all wars are fought with guns.

[tony mitra]

We Pull Out of Iraq and the Blood Bath Begins

Uhh huhh...

Blood bath began a long time ago, when anatomically modern humans came out of Africa and started beating the crap out of the Neanderthal and other archaic humans in that region some hundred odd thousand years ago.

Blood bath since then has washed over the land in several waves, right through the Babylonian and the Zoroastrian and later era, all the way to the times of the Mongol hordes and later the Ottomans, the British, the the oil companies the Baathists and now the Shia the Sunni, the Kurds the Turks the Yanks, and everybody else.

The blood bath, never ended, but did get a bit gruesome since the US forces landed without a clue how to tell a shia from a sunni, both of whom looked like Ali baba to the soldiers.

[crimzonsol]

too true tony, but it is an effective way to stire people into talking about it. Also it is an efective way to communicate what is going to happen in the middle east, unless you know a better term for it?

[tony mitra]

too true tony, but it is an effective way to stire people into talking about it.


No argument there. You are the devil that asks a one line question, then can sit on the roof with a beer and watch the crowd hop around yelling at each other and making faces on the street.

What I was doing in response, actually, was being a smart ass.:P

[crimzonsol]

What I was doing in response, actually, was being a smart ass.


Atlest you weren't being a dumb ass or just a regular ass.


No argument there. You are the devil that asks a one line question, then can sit on the roof with a beer and watch the crowd hop around yelling at each other and making faces on the street.

And miss all the fun of hopping around and yelling? Not a Chance.