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lily
09-14-2007, 04:12 AM
Thought I'd put this up in case anyone wanted to discuss. (http://www.nytimes.com/2007/09/13/washington/14text.html?_r=3&oref=slogin&pagewanted=all&oref=slogin)

Text of the President's Address



Published: September 13, 2007
Following is the prepared text of President Bush's address on Iraq, as
provided by the White House:

THE PRESIDENT: Good evening. In the life of all free nations, there come
moments that decide the direction of a country and reveal the character of
its people.

We are now at such a moment.

In Iraq, an ally of the United States is fighting for its survival.
Terrorists and extremists who are at war with us around the world are
seeking to topple Iraq's government, dominate the region, and attack us here
at home. If Iraq's young democracy can turn back these enemies, it will mean
a more hopeful Middle East and a more secure America. This ally has placed
its trust in the United States. And tonight, our moral and strategic
imperatives are one: We must help Iraq defeat those who threaten its future
and also threaten ours.

Eight months ago, we adopted a new strategy to meet that objective,
including a surge in U.S. forces that reached full strength in June. This
week, General David Petraeus and Ambassador Ryan Crocker testified before
Congress about how that strategy is progressing. In their testimony, these
men made clear that our challenge in Iraq is formidable. Yet they concluded
that conditions in Iraq are improving, that we are seizing the initiative
from the enemy, and that the troop surge is working.

The premise of our strategy is that securing the Iraqi population is the
foundation for all other progress. For Iraqis to bridge sectarian divides,
they need to feel safe in their homes and neighborhoods. For lasting
reconciliation to take root, Iraqis must feel confident that they do not
need sectarian gangs for security. The goal of the surge is to provide that
security and to help prepare Iraqi forces to maintain it. As I will explain
tonight, our success in meeting these objectives now allows us to begin
bringing some of our troops home.

Since the surge was announced in January, it has moved through several
phases. First was the flow of additional troops into Iraq, especially
Baghdad and Anbar Province. Once these forces were in place, our commanders
launched a series of offensive operations to drive terrorists and militias
out of their strongholds. Finally, in areas that have been cleared, we are
surging diplomatic and civilian resources to ensure that military progress
is quickly followed up with real improvements in daily life.

Anbar Province is a good example of how our strategy is working. Last year,
an intelligence report concluded that Anbar had been lost to Al Qaeda. Some
cited this report as evidence that we had failed in Iraq and should cut our
losses and pull out. Instead, we kept the pressure on the terrorists. The
local people were suffering under the Taliban-like rule of Al Qaeda, and
they were sick of it. So they asked us for help.

To take advantage of this opportunity, I sent an additional 4,000 marines to
Anbar as part of the surge. Together, local sheiks, Iraqi forces, and
coalition troops drove the terrorists from the capital of Ramadi and other
population centers. Today, a city where Al Qaeda once planted its flag is
beginning to return to normal. Anbar citizens who once feared beheading for
talking to an American or Iraqi soldier now come forward to tell us where
the terrorists are hiding. Young Sunnis who once joined the insurgency are
now joining the army and police. And with the help of our provincial
reconstruction teams, new jobs are being created and local governments are
meeting again.

These developments do not often make the headlines, but they do make a
difference. During my visit to Anbar on Labor Day, local Sunni leaders
thanked me for America's support. They pledged they would never allow Al
Qaeda to return. And they told me they now see a place for their people in a
democratic Iraq. The Sunni governor of Anbar Province put it this way: "Our
tomorrow starts today."

The changes in Anbar show all Iraqis what becomes possible when extremists
are driven out. They show Al Qaeda that it cannot count on popular support,
even in a province its leaders once declared their home base. And they show
the world that ordinary people in the Middle East want the same things for
their children that we want for ours - a decent life and a peaceful future.

In Anbar, the enemy remains active and deadly. Earlier today, one of the
brave tribal sheiks who helped lead the revolt against Al Qaeda was
murdered. In response, a fellow Sunni leader declared: "We are determined to
strike back and continue our work." And as they do, they can count on the
continued support of the United States.

Throughout Iraq, too many citizens are being killed by terrorists and death
squads. And for most Iraqis, the quality of life is far from where it should
be. Yet General Petraeus and Ambassador Crocker report that the success in
Anbar is beginning to be replicated in other parts of the country.

One year ago, much of Baghdad was under siege. Schools were closed, markets
were shuttered, and sectarian violence was spiraling out of control. Today,
most of Baghdad's neighborhoods are being patrolled by coalition and Iraqi
forces who live among the people they protect. Many schools and markets are
reopening. Citizens are coming forward with vital intelligence. Sectarian
killings are down. And ordinary life is beginning to return.

One year ago, much of Diyala Province was a sanctuary for Al Qaeda and other
extremist groups, and its capital of Baquba was emerging as an Al Qaeda
stronghold. Today, Baquba is cleared. Diyala Province is the site of a
growing popular uprising against the extremists. And some local tribes are
working alongside coalition and Iraqi forces to clear out the enemy and
reclaim their communities.

One year ago, Shia extremists and Iranian-backed militants were gaining
strength and targeting Sunnis for assassination. Today, these groups are
being broken up, and many of their leaders are being captured or killed.

These gains are a tribute to our military, they are a tribute to the courage
of the Iraqi security forces, and they are a tribute to an Iraqi government
that has decided to take on the extremists.

Now the Iraqi government must bring the same determination to achieving
reconciliation. This is an enormous undertaking after more than three
decades of tyranny and division. The government has not met its own
legislative benchmarks - and in my meetings with Iraqi leaders, I have made
it clear that they must.

Yet Iraq's national leaders are getting some things done. For example, they
have passed a budget. They are sharing oil revenues with the provinces. They
are allowing former Baathists to rejoin Iraq's military or receive
government pensions. And local reconciliation is taking place. The key now
is to link this progress in the provinces to progress in Baghdad. As local
politics change, so will national politics.

Our troops in Iraq are performing brilliantly. Along with Iraqi forces, they
have captured or killed an average of more than 1,500 enemy fighters per
month since January. Yet ultimately, the way forward depends on the ability
of Iraqis to maintain security gains. According to General Petraeus and a
panel chaired by retired General Jim Jones, the Iraqi army is becoming more
capable, although there is still a great deal of work to be done to improve
the national police. Iraqi forces are receiving increased cooperation from
local populations. And this is improving their ability to hold areas that
have been cleared.

Because of this success, General Petraeus believes we have now reached the
point where we can maintain our security gains with fewer American forces.
He has recommended that we not replace about 2,200 marines scheduled to
leave Anbar Province later this month. In addition, he says it will soon be
possible to bring home an Army combat brigade, for a total force reduction
of 5,700 troops by Christmas.

And he expects that by July, we will be able to reduce our troop levels in
Iraq from 20 combat brigades to 15.

General Petraeus also recommends that in December, we begin transitioning to
the next phase of our strategy in Iraq. As terrorists are defeated, civil
society takes root, and the Iraqis assume more control over their own
security, our mission in Iraq will evolve. Over time, our troops will shift
from leading operations, to partnering with Iraqi forces, and eventually to
overwatching those forces. As this transition in our mission takes place,
our troops will focus on a more limited set of tasks, including
counterterrorism operations and training, equipping and supporting Iraqi
forces.

I have consulted with the Joint Chiefs of Staff, other members of my
national security team, Iraqi officials, and leaders of both parties in
Congress. I have benefited from their advice, and I have accepted General
Petraeus's recommendations. I have directed General Petraeus and Ambassador
Crocker to update their joint campaign plan for Iraq, so we can adjust our
military and civilian resources accordingly. I have also directed them to
deliver another report to Congress in March. At that time, they will provide
a fresh assessment of the situation in Iraq and of the troop levels and
resources we need to meet our national security objectives.

The principle guiding my decisions on troop levels in Iraq is "return on
success." The more successful we are, the more American troops can return
home. And in all we do, I will ensure that our commanders on the ground have
the troops and flexibility they need to defeat the enemy.

Americans want our country to be safe and our troops to begin coming home
from Iraq. Yet those of us who believe success in Iraq is essential to our
security, and those who believe we should bring our troops home, have been
at odds. Now, because of the measure of success we are seeing in Iraq, we
can begin seeing troops come home.

The way forward I have described tonight makes it possible, for the first
time in years, for people who have been on opposite sides of this difficult
debate to come together.

This vision for a reduced American presence also has the support of Iraqi
leaders from all communities. At the same time, they understand that their
success will require U.S. political, economic and security engagement that
extends beyond my Presidency. These Iraqi leaders have asked for an enduring
relationship with America. And we are ready to begin building that
relationship - in a way that protects our interests in the region and
requires many fewer American troops.

The success of a free Iraq is critical to the security of the United States.
A free Iraq will deny Al Qaeda a safe haven. A free Iraq will counter the
destructive ambitions of Iran. A free Iraq will marginalize extremists,
unleash the talent of its people, and be an anchor of stability in the
region. A free Iraq will set an example for people across the Middle East. A
free Iraq will be our partner in the fight against terror - and that will
make us safer here at home.

Realizing this vision will be difficult, but it is achievable. Our military
commanders believe we can succeed. Our diplomats believe we can succeed. And
for the safety of future generations of Americans, we must succeed.

If we were to be driven out of Iraq, extremists of all strains would be
emboldened. Al Qaeda could gain new recruits and new sanctuaries. Iran would
benefit from the chaos and would be encouraged in its efforts to gain
nuclear weapons and dominate the region. Extremists could control a key part
of the global energy supply. Iraq could face a humanitarian nightmare.
Democracy movements would be violently reversed. We would leave our children
to face a far more dangerous world. And as we saw on September the 11th,
2001, those dangers can reach our cities and kill our people.

Whatever political party you belong to, whatever your position on Iraq, we
should be able to agree that America has a vital interest in preventing
chaos and providing hope in the Middle East. We should be able to agree that
we must defeat Al Qaeda, counter Iran, help the Afghan government, work for
peace in the Holy Land, and strengthen our military so we can prevail in the
struggle against terrorists and extremists.

So tonight I want to speak to members of the United States Congress: Let us
come together on a policy of strength in the Middle East. I thank you for
providing crucial funds and resources for our military. And I ask you to
join me in supporting the recommendations General Petraeus has made and the
troop levels he has asked for.

To the Iraqi people: You have voted for freedom, and now you are liberating
your country from terrorists and death squads. You must demand that your
leaders make the tough choices needed to achieve reconciliation. As you do,
have confidence that America does not abandon our friends, and we will not
abandon you.

To Iraq's neighbors who seek peace: The violent extremists who target Iraq
are also targeting you. The best way to secure your interests and protect
your own people is to stand with the people of Iraq. That means using your
economic and diplomatic leverage to strengthen the government in Baghdad.
And it means the efforts by Iran and Syria to undermine that government must
end.

To the international community: The success of a free Iraq matters to every
civilized nation. We thank the 36 nations who have troops on the ground in
Iraq and the many others who are helping that young democracy. We encourage
all nations to help, by implementing the International Compact to revitalize
Iraq's economy, by participating in the Neighbors Conferences to boost
cooperation and overcome differences in the region, and by supporting the
new and expanded mission of the United Nations in Iraq.

To our military personnel, intelligence officers, diplomats, and civilians
on the front lines in Iraq: You have done everything America has asked of
you. And the progress I have reported tonight is in large part because of
your courage and hard effort. You are serving far from home. Our nation is
grateful for your sacrifices and the sacrifices of your families.

Earlier this year, I received an e-mail from the family of Army Specialist
Brandon Stout of Michigan. Brandon volunteered for the National Guard and
was killed while serving in Baghdad. His family has suffered greatly. Yet in
their sorrow, they see larger purpose. His wife, Audrey, says that Brandon
felt called to serve and knew what he was fighting for. And his parents,
Tracy and Jeff, wrote me this: "We believe this is a war of good and evil
and we must win ... even if it cost the life of our own son. Freedom is not
free."

This country is blessed to have Americans like Brandon Stout, who make
extraordinary sacrifices to keep us safe from harm. They are doing so in a
fight that is just, and right, and necessary. And now it falls to us to
finish the work they have begun.

Some say the gains we are making in Iraq come too late. They are mistaken.
It is never too late to deal a blow to Al Qaeda. It is never too late to
advance freedom. And it is never too late to support our troops in a fight
they can win.

Good night, and God bless America.[hr]To the international community: The success of a free Iraq matters to every
civilized nation. We thank the 36 nations who have troops on the ground in
Iraq and the many others who are helping that young democracy.


HUH? Last I checked in 2006 it was down to 22, with those 22 countries having no more that 100 troops.....all in non-combat. If Bush doesn't know this.......then we're in more trouble than I thought.

ECW
09-14-2007, 04:20 AM
Nope. Nothing to discuss. It's Stay The Course for the next **** years. (You can fill in the blank with any random number you wish.)

lily
09-14-2007, 04:38 AM
No! No! No! It's now Return on Success!!!

Geeeeezzzzz.........:lmao:[hr]To take advantage of this opportunity, I sent an additional 4,000 marines to
Anbar as part of the surge. Together, local sheiks, Iraqi forces, and
coalition troops drove the terrorists from the capital of Ramadi and other
population centers. Today, a city where Al Qaeda once planted its flag is
beginning to return to normal. Anbar citizens who once feared beheading for
talking to an American or Iraqi soldier now come forward to tell us where
the terrorists are hiding. Young Sunnis who once joined the insurgency are
now joining the army and police. And with the help of our provincial
reconstruction teams, new jobs are being created and local governments are
meeting again.

Bush should really have a word with his speechwriter (http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2007/09/13/...in3257360.shtml)

Top U.S.-Allied Sunni Sheik Killed
Iraqi Cleric Met President Bush Earlier This Month, Killing May Deter
Alliance With U.S.

BAGHDAD, Sept. 13, 2007

(CBS/AP) The most prominent figure in a revolt of Sunni sheiks against al
Qaeda in Iraq was killed Thursday in an explosion near his home in Anbar
province, Iraqi police and tribal leaders said.

Abdul-Sattar Abu Risha was leader of the Anbar Salvation Council, also known
as the Anbar Awakening - an alliance of clans backing the Iraqi government
and U.S. forces.

Abu Risha and two of his bodyguards were killed by a roadside bomb planted
near the tribal leader's home in Ramadi, Anbar's provincial capital, said
Col. Tareq Youssef, supervisor of Anbar police.

ViolaLee
09-14-2007, 04:52 AM
I was wondering about those 36 countries. I'd like the list, please, Mr Bush. I watched his speech. It reminded me of another 'Mission Accomplished' speech.

He mentioned Anbar 11 times. He said it's safe and things are going great there. He talked about the changes in Anbar and how they drove the enemy out. And then he said the enemy remains active and deadly in Anbar and a tribal leader was just killed there. It's like he doesn't listen to what he is reading.

36 countries fighting along with us, Anbar is safe yet the enemy is active and deadly. The surge is working. We will be bringing the troops home (of course that just means bringing the number of troops back to 2006 levels).

The man is a liar. The man is dishonest and he thinks we are all very stupid. He thinks we are as stupid as he is.

These developments do not often make the headlines, but they do make a difference. During my visit to Anbar on Labor Day, local Sunni leaders thanked me for America's support. They pledged they would never allow Al Qaeda to return. And they told me they now see a place for their people in a democratic Iraq. The Sunni governor of Anbar Province put it this way: "Our tomorrow starts today."

The changes in Anbar show all Iraqis what becomes possible when extremists are driven out. They show Al Qaeda that it cannot count on popular support, even in a province its leaders once declared their home base. And they show the world that ordinary people in the Middle East want the same things for their children that we want for ours - a decent life and a peaceful future.

In Anbar, the enemy remains active and deadly. Earlier today, one of the brave tribal sheiks who helped lead the revolt against Al Qaeda was murdered. In response, a fellow Sunni leader declared: "We are determined to strike back and continue our work." And as they do, they can count on the continued support of the United States.

ECW
09-14-2007, 08:56 AM
Did I just feel a breeze? Was that the rush of neocons swooping down to defend their president?



I guess not. My bad.

mammalicious
09-14-2007, 06:19 PM
Did ya notice that he couldn't get through the speech without a 9/11 reference??

He also didn't mention that Petraeus did not state that the war in Iraq was making America safer during his testimony, and he was asked directly.

So NOW there is success...success enough to begin bringing troops home? So a few weeks ago, when dems would mention bringing troops home...they were called defeatists, cut-n-runners, etc...but NOW the success is so marked in a few weeks? Not after YEARS of being in Iraq...these last few WEEKS showed results.

Elrathin
09-14-2007, 06:25 PM
Anbar Province is a good example of how our strategy is working.

Yeah, the fact that local leader was assassinated doesn't really help that comment at all does it?

Marley
09-14-2007, 07:10 PM
Democracy is greater than the politicians.

JFK was assasinated, the USA rolled on. I guess you think we should've surrended to England after the Kennedy assasination?

Buck Laser
09-14-2007, 11:11 PM
Democracy is greater than the politicians.

JFK was assasinated, the USA rolled on. I guess you think we should've surrended to England after the Kennedy assasination?

I'm sorry, but I don't see how this connects to the topic of this thread.

ViolaLee
09-14-2007, 11:17 PM
Bush and Patraeus are cut and runners!!!!!

Seriously though......WHO ARE those 36 other countrys fighting alongside our US troops anyway?????[hr]OK so I googled 36 countries Iraq and found what I was looking for. Bush is cooking the books with these numbers too....same as the Iraqi casualty count.

Remember how Bush accused Al Gore of using fuzzy math in the debate? Bush is an expert on fuzzy math.

All right, we've got the official accounting about the "36 nations" cited last night by President Bush "who have troops on the ground in Iraq." And it still doesn't add up.

According to a National Security Council official, our tally of 34 was slightly off. We had been including the U.S. as a contributor to MNF-I, and we had forgotten the island nation of Tonga. Additionally, the White House relied on two other nations contributing forces to the United Nations Assistance Mission in Iraq -- Canada and New Zealand -- in addition to the Figians. So there you have it: 26 in MNF-I; seven in the Nato non-combat force; and three guarding UNAMI. Thirty-six!

Only... not. First, Canada withdrew its single soldier to UNAMI in June. (New Zealand does contribute its own soldier -- that's soldier, singular -- to UNAMI, along with, one hopes, bootleg DVDs of Flight of the Conchords.) Second, the aforementioned CRS report (pdf) notes that Tonga has withdrawn its force from Iraq; and, accordingly, MNF-I no longer includes Tonga on its list of coalition members. Additionally, globalsecurity.org isn't sure whether Hungary has anyone in Iraq as part of the Nato force. (No one's answering the phones at the Hungarian embassy in Washington, either.) And, lest we forget, Iceland is sending its press aide -- apparently not really a soldier -- home from Baghdad on October 1.

But assume the White House is correct on Hungary. And also concede that Iceland isn't out yet. Still, by the accounting of the White House, at least two of the nations the president cited last night aren't in Iraq in any capacity anymore.

For the record, here's the White House list of how it counts the nations "in" Iraq:

Countries with troops on ground in Iraq

1. Albania
2. Armenia
3. Austrailia
4. Azerbaijan
5. Bosnia and Herzegovina
6. Bulgaria
7. Czech Republic
8. Denmark
9. El Salvador
10. Estonia
11. Georgia
12. Japan
13. Kazakhstan
14. South Korea
15. Latvia
16. Lithuania
17. Macedonia
18. Moldova
19. Mongolia
20. Poland
21. Romania
22. Singapore
23. Slovakia
24. Ukraine
25. United Kingdom
26. Tonga

United Nations Assistance Mission in Iraq (Not listed are countries that are providing forces in other categories)

1. Canada
2. Fiji
3. New Zealand

NATO Training NTM-I

1. Hungary
2. Iceland
3. Italy
4. Netherlands
5. Portugal
6. Slovenia
7. Turkey

http://www.tpmmuckraker.com/archives/004192.php[/align]

lily
09-15-2007, 01:14 AM
A fact check on Bush's speech. I'm telling you......he should fire that speech writer! (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/09/13/AR2007091302710.html?wpisrc=newsletter)

FACT CHECK
The President Asserted Progress on Security and Political Issues. Recent
Reports Weren't Often So Upbeat.

By Glenn Kessler
Washington Post Staff Writer
Friday, September 14, 2007; Page A06

In his speech last night, President Bush made a case for progress in Iraq by
citing facts and statistics that at times contradicted recent government
reports or his own words.

For instance, Bush asserted that "Iraq's national leaders are getting some
things done," such as "sharing oil revenues with the provinces" and allowing
"former Baathists to rejoin Iraq's military or receive government pensions."


Yet his statement ignored the fact that U.S. officials have been frustrated
that none of those actions have been enshrined into law -- and that reports
from Baghdad this week indicated that a potential deal on sharing oil
revenue is collapsing.

In a radio address to the nation less than a month ago, the president
himself complained that the Iraqi government was failing to address these
issues. "Unfortunately, political progress at the national level has not
matched the pace of progress at the local level," Bush said on Aug. 18. "The
Iraqi government in Baghdad has many important measures left to address,
such as reforming the de-Baathification laws, organizing provincial
elections and passing a law to formalize the sharing of oil revenues."

Bush also asserted that Baqubah, the capital of Diyala province, was once an
al-Qaeda stronghold but that "today, Baqubah is cleared." But in a meeting
with reporters on Aug. 27, the head of the State Department team in Diyala
said the security situation was not stable, hampering access to food and
energy, though he acknowledged that commerce was returning to Baqubah.

"Everything is based around security; if we have security, then we can bring
in agencies like USAID," John Melvin Jones said, referring to the U.S.
Agency for International Development. "It's going to take a while before the
security situation gets stable enough so that you can have a lot of these
other agencies involved."

Bush also thanked "the 36 nations who have troops on the ground in Iraq."
But the State Department's most recent weekly report on Iraq said there are
25 countries supplying 11,685 troops -- about 7 percent of the size of the
U.S. forces.

At one point, the president cited a recent report by a commission headed by
retired Marine Gen. James Jones, saying that "the Iraqi army is becoming
more capable, although there is still a great deal of work to be done to
improve the national police."

But the report said Iraq's army will be unable to take over internal
security from U.S. forces in the next 12 to 18 months and "cannot yet
meaningfully contribute to denying terrorists safe haven." It also described
the 25,000-member national police force as riddled with sectarianism and
corruption, and it recommended that it be disbanded.

The commission also recommended that U.S. troops in Iraq be "retasked" in
early 2008 to protect critical infrastructure and guard against border
threats from Iran and Syria, while gradually turning responsibility for
security over to Iraqi forces despite their deficiencies -- advice the
president did not follow in last night's speech.

The president also painted a relatively favorable picture of Baghdad, saying
that a year ago much of it "was under siege" but that today "ordinary life
is beginning to return." He did not mention that much of the
once-heterogeneous city has been divided into Shiite and Sunni enclaves.

The president also said that groups of "Iranian-backed militants" are "being
broken up, and many of their leaders are being captured or killed." In
congressional testimony this week, Gen. David H. Petraeus and Ambassador
Ryan C. Crocker emphasized that Iran poses a looming menace in Iraq.

ECW
09-15-2007, 06:47 AM
Like I said before, nothing has changed. This was political theater, nothing more. The troops that Bush bragged about coming home were due to transition out anyway, the "plan" he approved that Petraeus testified to in Congress was Bush's plan to begin with, and now he's talking about a strategic initiative that may keep us bogged down there for decades. More lies told, more lives on hold, more dead bodies growing cold. Same old, same old for George.

ViolaLee
09-15-2007, 06:51 AM
What?!?!

Bush lied?

Say it ain't so!

ECW
09-15-2007, 06:55 AM
Bush lied.

Our troops died.

Mothers cried.

mammalicious
09-15-2007, 01:04 PM
Bush and Patraeus are cut and runners!!!!!

Seriously though......WHO ARE those 36 other countrys fighting alongside our US troops anyway?????[hr]OK so I googled 36 countries Iraq and found what I was looking for. Bush is cooking the books with these numbers too....same as the Iraqi casualty count.

Remember how Bush accused Al Gore of using fuzzy math in the debate? Bush is an expert on fuzzy math.

All right, we've got the official accounting about the "36 nations" cited last night by President Bush "who have troops on the ground in Iraq." And it still doesn't add up.

According to a National Security Council official, our tally of 34 was slightly off. We had been including the U.S. as a contributor to MNF-I, and we had forgotten the island nation of Tonga. Additionally, the White House relied on two other nations contributing forces to the United Nations Assistance Mission in Iraq -- Canada and New Zealand -- in addition to the Figians. So there you have it: 26 in MNF-I; seven in the Nato non-combat force; and three guarding UNAMI. Thirty-six!

Only... not. First, Canada withdrew its single soldier to UNAMI in June. (New Zealand does contribute its own soldier -- that's soldier, singular -- to UNAMI, along with, one hopes, bootleg DVDs of Flight of the Conchords.) Second, the aforementioned CRS report (pdf) notes that Tonga has withdrawn its force from Iraq; and, accordingly, MNF-I no longer includes Tonga on its list of coalition members. Additionally, globalsecurity.org isn't sure whether Hungary has anyone in Iraq as part of the Nato force. (No one's answering the phones at the Hungarian embassy in Washington, either.) And, lest we forget, Iceland is sending its press aide -- apparently not really a soldier -- home from Baghdad on October 1.

But assume the White House is correct on Hungary. And also concede that Iceland isn't out yet. Still, by the accounting of the White House, at least two of the nations the president cited last night aren't in Iraq in any capacity anymore.

For the record, here's the White House list of how it counts the nations "in" Iraq:

Countries with troops on ground in Iraq

1. Albania
2. Armenia
3. Austrailia
4. Azerbaijan
5. Bosnia and Herzegovina
6. Bulgaria
7. Czech Republic
8. Denmark
9. El Salvador
10. Estonia
11. Georgia
12. Japan
13. Kazakhstan
14. South Korea
15. Latvia
16. Lithuania
17. Macedonia
18. Moldova
19. Mongolia
20. Poland
21. Romania
22. Singapore
23. Slovakia
24. Ukraine
25. United Kingdom
26. Tonga

United Nations Assistance Mission in Iraq (Not listed are countries that are providing forces in other categories)

1. Canada
2. Fiji
3. New Zealand

NATO Training NTM-I

1. Hungary
2. Iceland
3. Italy
4. Netherlands
5. Portugal
6. Slovenia
7. Turkey

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I believe I heard that Latvia is calling their soldier (yes, that's singular) home...he was there in a reporting capacity apparently.

The OTHER misleading statement in the speech is that sectarian violence is down. The administration has REDEFINED what sectarian violence is. Like if someone is shot to the front of the head, it's simply criminal...and mass killings are not considered as well. THAT gets the numbers down nicely!

http://forums.ebay.com/db1/thread.jspa?threadID=2000430069&tstart=0&mod=1189123622283

http://java-fiend.livejournal.com/tag/petraeus+testimony

And what of hte millions that have fled Iraq...surely violence should go down if there are less people to be violated.