NC school bans US flag shirts.

[Stoner]

What the fuck is going on up there in NC. First you bring us the Duke fiasco and now you're not allowing kids to wear clothes that have the American flag on it?

Everyone pack up. We're taking a trip to the Rip Van Winkle state and bitch-slapping all morons.

SAMPSON COUNTY, N.C. – On the sixth anniversary of the Sept. 11 attacks, students at one high school were not allowed to wear clothes with an American flag.


Under a new school rule, students at Hobbton High School are not allowed to wear items with flags, from any country, including the United States.

The new rule stems from a controversy over students wearing shirts bearing flags of other countries.

Gayle Langston said her daughter, Jessica, was told to remove her Stars and Stripes t-shirt.

“Today she wanted to wear her shirt, and I had to tell her no,” said Langston. “She didn't like it at all because I knew it would get her in trouble. Of all days, 9/11, she could not wear her American Flag shirt.”

The superintendent of schools in Sampson County calls the situation unfortunate, but says educators didn’t want to be forced to pick and choose which flags should be permissible.

http://www.nbc17.com/midatlantic/ncn/news.apx.-content-articles-NCN-2007-09-11-0027.html

[Alonzo]

The new rule stems from a controversy over students wearing shirts bearing flags of other countries.

Gee, which side of the aisle was getting pissed off at Mexican flags? A lot of people can be blamed here, but it's not my side of the aisle.

[ticbeast]

Because wearing a Canadian t-shirt seems to disrupt the educational process ^^

[Alonzo]

Because wearing a Canadian t-shirt seems to disrupt the educational process ^^


Hey, it might. Years ago in high school I pissed off one kid so much he started telling me to go to Canada in the middle of class. He didn't like my views on war. He wanted to join the marines, I have no idea if he ever did.

[ECW]

No doubt this pissed off the rednecks who wanted to wear their confederate flag shirts on Confederate Memorial Day. *tsk* *tsk* *tsk* *tsk* *tsk*

[ViolaLee]

Wearing the flag is disrespecting the flag. Doesn't anyone know flag etiquette anymore?

Flag Code section 8d
The flag should never be used as wearing apparel.

http://www.ushistory.org/betsy/flagetiq.html

http://www.usflag.org/flagetiquette.html

[Stoner]

Wearing the flag is disrespecting the flag. Doesn't anyone know flag etiquette anymore?



That's wearing an actual American flag as apparal, not wearing a shirt that has an American flaf on it.

You're right. A lot of people don't know flag etiquite.

[Alonzo]

I see lots of pro-war protestors doing that Stoner. They wrap the flag around themselves.

[ECW]

http://www.erowid.org/culture/characters/hoffman_abbie/images/hoffman_abbie4_med.jpg

http://tristero.blogspot.com/Pictures/somethingspecial1.jpg

http://www.shop2wear.com/images/Biker-Leather-Jackets/Mens-Bomber-USA-Flag-Leather-Jacket-990.jpg

Unpatriotic SOBs. How dare they!

[Alonzo]

Well, I think the right will agree with you on the Hoffman pic.

[jafar00]

Whatever happened to the school uniform being the only acceptable form of dress?

[micfranklin]

Yeah because wearing your own country's flag to show you're American is really unlawful and makes you a disrespectful bastard:rolleyes:

[AnnEsthesia]

The title to this thread is so misleading. The schools did NOT just ban US flag shirts. They banned ALL flag shirts. They did so across the board. No flag shirts.

Guess what? The school district gets to make the rules for what is or is not allowed. Here, you are not allowed to wear teeshirts with sayings or pictures, nothing with spaghetti straps, nothing that bears your belly or has lots of cleavage, no shorts or pants that are riding low, nothing that is shorter than mid thigh and no shoes that are not strapped securely to your feet.

No big deal. Parents can easily buy appropriate apparel and the children can wear the items that do not comply when they are at home.

[bobbylien]

Why do people need to show their patriotism by wearing a shirt? Go America!

[Deadshot]

What did all those people from about 1776 - the early 20th Century do to show their patriotism when there were no flag t-shirts?

[Stoner]

Bad news for libs. They lifted the ban. Looks like intelligence prevails once again.

SAMPSON COUNTY, N.C – A North Carolina High School that came under national attention over their rule that prohibited students from wearing items with the American flag, or any flag from other countries, has lifted the ban.

Superintendent Dr. L. Stewart Hobbs, Jr said they have lifted the ban on flags and “from this point on, all dress code changes will be made at the school board level.”

Hobbs said the county has a dress code policy in place and says individual school dress codes are not allowed.

He adds that principals cannot make a policy that exceeds the board policy, "The principal acted in good faith and said no flags."

According to Hobbs, the policy all stems from information from law enforcement of gangs wearing foreign flags as gang symbols and the board does have a policy to prevent gang signs in schools.

He said they are just as patriotic as other Americans flying the flag over the school, saying the pledge and have planned to have Constitution day at the school next week.

Under the previous rule, students at Hobbton High School were not allowed to wear items with flags, from any country, including the United States.

The board will be meeting with school attorneys to look into the issue further.

http://www.nbc17.com/midatlantic/ncn/news.apx.-content-articles-NCN-2007-09-12-0013.html

[Elrathin]

Yes because only libs were against this LOL What partisan BS.

[Saigio]

Yes because only libs were against this LOL What partisan BS.


Well, it is Stoner.

[Scorpion]

I've got to agree with Stoner on this topic. Worn respectfully, I can't believe that anyone in their right mind would disallow anyone from wearing the American flag, especially at this time when our military is in harms way.

Good Lord, school officials are getting awfully narrow minded.[hr]
The title to this thread is so misleading. The schools did NOT just ban US flag shirts. They banned ALL flag shirts. They did so across the board. No flag shirts.

Guess what? The school district gets to make the rules for what is or is not allowed. Here, you are not allowed to wear teeshirts with sayings or pictures, nothing with spaghetti straps, nothing that bears your belly or has lots of cleavage, no shorts or pants that are riding low, nothing that is shorter than mid thigh and no shoes that are not strapped securely to your feet.

No big deal. Parents can easily buy appropriate apparel and the children can wear the items that do not comply when they are at home.


Hi Ann:

What about the Boy Scout uniform? It has the US flag on the right shoulder. Should the Boy Scout uniform be forbidden? I don't want to get trivial but this flys in the face of common sense about pride in one's country.

[Alonzo]

Bad news for libs. They lifted the ban. Looks like intelligence prevails once again.


You'll complain tomorrow when kids show up with Palestinian and Mexican flags on their shirts.

[ViolaLee]

A us flag patch is ok under flag etiquette. A US flag shirt is violating flag etiquette.

The flag should never be dipped to any person or thing. It is flown upside down only as a distress signal.

The flag should not be used as a drapery, or for covering a speakers desk, draping a platform, or for any decoration in general. Bunting of blue, white and red stripes is available for these purposes. The blue stripe of the bunting should be on the top.

The flag should never be used for any advertising purpose. It should not be embroidered, printed or otherwise impressed on such articles as cushions, handkerchiefs, napkins, boxes, or anything intended to be discarded after temporary use. Advertising signs should not be attached to the staff or halyard.

The flag should not be used as part of a costume or athletic uniform, except that a flag patch may be used on the uniform of military personnel, fireman, policeman and members of patriotic organizations.

The flag should never have placed on it, or attached to it, any mark, insignia, letter, word, number, figure, or drawing of any kind.
The flag should never be used as a receptacle for receiving, holding, carrying, or delivering anything.

http://www.usflag.org/flagetiquette.html

[Stoner]

Sorry, Zo, it is not against etiquette to wear a shirt with the flag on it. You're misreading the quote you posted.

Try again. I'll let you know when you get it right.

[Alonzo]

What are you talking about?

You'll complain tomorrow when kids show up with Palestinian and Mexican flags on their shirts.

[ViolaLee]

Sorry, Zo, it is not against etiquette to wear a shirt with the flag on it. You're misreading the quote you posted.

Try again. I'll let you know when you get it right.
It is against US Flag Etiquette to wear a shirt with the flag on it unless it is a patch on the arm or the breast.

It is a violation of US Flag etiquette. Stoner, if you say it isn't a million times, that doesn't make it so.

Read the flag etiquette. I posted it twice already.

[mammalicious]

Bad news for libs. They lifted the ban. Looks like intelligence prevails once again.

SAMPSON COUNTY, N.C – A North Carolina High School that came under national attention over their rule that prohibited students from wearing items with the American flag, or any flag from other countries, has lifted the ban.

Superintendent Dr. L. Stewart Hobbs, Jr said they have lifted the ban on flags and “from this point on, all dress code changes will be made at the school board level.”

Hobbs said the county has a dress code policy in place and says individual school dress codes are not allowed.

He adds that principals cannot make a policy that exceeds the board policy, "The principal acted in good faith and said no flags."

According to Hobbs, the policy all stems from information from law enforcement of gangs wearing foreign flags as gang symbols and the board does have a policy to prevent gang signs in schools.

He said they are just as patriotic as other Americans flying the flag over the school, saying the pledge and have planned to have Constitution day at the school next week.

Under the previous rule, students at Hobbton High School were not allowed to wear items with flags, from any country, including the United States.

The board will be meeting with school attorneys to look into the issue further.

http://www.nbc17.com/midatlantic/ncn/news.apx.-content-articles-NCN-2007-09-12-0013.html


Intelligence? IT was a technicality. The individual school cannot impose a ban...it must be done at the county school board level the article stated. HOWEVER, the reason that was given for the initial ban was that it DID fall in line with the policy regarding the banning of clothing that identified gang members, and many kids were using clothing with the flags of other nations as gang affiliation ID.

Personally...I think the rednecks were screaming because they couldn't wear their beloved 'rebel flag'. THAT flag should be banned...what other nation allows the flying of the flag of a defeated, traitorous military over state buildings, etc.?

[heyjude]

When my grandkids went to school in California they were not allowed to wear any print or decoration on their clothing. Schools find it easier to outlaw everything, rather than putting up with the constant flack about what to allow. I'm on their side. People are awful. Schools are damned if they do and damned if they don't.

[mammalicious]

When my grandkids went to school in California they were not allowed to wear any print or decoration on their clothing. Schools find it easier to outlaw everything, rather than putting up with the constant flack about what to allow. I'm on their side. People are awful. Schools are damned if they do and damned if they don't.


My kids go to public school, and I WISH they'd have uniforms! Not only do you eliminate the name brand competition nonsense...but it's cheaper, and it completely stops teenage girls from complaining that they have nothing to wear for school at 6:30 AM!!:clapper:

[AnnEsthesia]

I've got to agree with Stoner on this topic. Worn respectfully, I can't believe that anyone in their right mind would disallow anyone from wearing the American flag, especially at this time when our military is in harms way.

Good Lord, school officials are getting awfully narrow minded.[hr]
The title to this thread is so misleading. The schools did NOT just ban US flag shirts. They banned ALL flag shirts. They did so across the board. No flag shirts.

Guess what? The school district gets to make the rules for what is or is not allowed. Here, you are not allowed to wear teeshirts with sayings or pictures, nothing with spaghetti straps, nothing that bears your belly or has lots of cleavage, no shorts or pants that are riding low, nothing that is shorter than mid thigh and no shoes that are not strapped securely to your feet.

No big deal. Parents can easily buy appropriate apparel and the children can wear the items that do not comply when they are at home.


Hi Ann:

What about the Boy Scout uniform? It has the US flag on the right shoulder. Should the Boy Scout uniform be forbidden? I don't want to get trivial but this flys in the face of common sense about pride in one's country.




Well, since one would not be wearing the boy scout uniform to school, it would not be an issue. Here, the kids change or put the uniform on after school. They are not allowed to wear them during the day as it is a disruption.

And again, the school has the right to determine what is or is not acceptable school attire and (provided the rules have been made clear), they can and should make the kids change in order to comply.

[Anti-Racism]

What the fuck is going on up there in NC. First you bring us the Duke fiasco and now you're not allowing kids to wear clothes that have the American flag on it?


If these were gay kids, women, black kids or fat kids, this would be all over the mainstream media in tones of strident protest.

[AnnEsthesia]

Not really. Schools can determine how kids can dress. It is well within their rights to have a dress code. If you don't like it, then home school or tell your kid to suck it up and deal. Really, it is not the worst thing in the world for your child to learn that they cannot always have things their way and that they have to play by the same rules as the rest of the world.

[HumanBeast]

I thought it would be California, not NC.

[preservanation]

Welcome to socialized education.
When you cede your rights to the gov they get to define them.
Hello Hillary care!

[Deadshot]

Welcome to socialized education.
When you cede your rights to the gov they get to define them.
Hello Hillary care!


Can you answer an earlier question about this? What did all those people from about 1776 - the early 20th Century do to show their patriotism when there were no flag t-shirts?

BTW, ask most Conservatives and they would like to have a uniform dress code. If there were such a thing, and I know because I went to a Catholic grade and high school, ANY t-shirt would be banned.

Next time THINK before you post!

[davo]

Welcome to socialized education.
When you cede your rights to the gov they get to define them.
Hello Hillary care!


Good point except wasn't it Bush who signed the "No Child Gets Ahead" act into law? (correct me if I'm wrong, I'm an Aussie)

Either way, it's not a red vs blue issue. It's a "we the people" vs "we the money" issue.