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Sasquatch Scientist
09-11-2007, 09:33 PM
FYI to anyone interested in this subject:

A friend referred me to this book, said it talked about 9/11 and what is going on in the world in the context of biblical prophecies. The book is called Rapture Redux, Living With Hope and Purpose in the Last Days. It is here (http://www.buybooksontheweb.com/description.asp?ISBN=0-7414-4052-0) but you can also find it on Amazon.

On the back of the book it has a link to the authors website:
http://www.myspace.com/danielgansle

exigent
09-11-2007, 09:40 PM
the author's website is a myspace profile?

BoogyMan
09-11-2007, 09:46 PM
The New Testament makes no mention of a "rapture." It is an invention of man.

Sasquatch Scientist
09-11-2007, 10:18 PM
the author's website is a myspace profile?


Well I guess to be fair there's lots of authors on myspace, lots of musicians, bands, aspiring actors/actresses, etc. Myspace is varied, not just for bored teens or what have you. Some people goof off but others use it for contact info and networking

mammalicious
09-11-2007, 11:21 PM
The New Testament makes no mention of a "rapture." It is an invention of man.


I thought that the rapture scenario arose from Thesselonians 1 & 2. The word ''trinity'' also doesn't appear in the Bible...but the concept is doctrine.

BoogyMan
09-11-2007, 11:42 PM
The New Testament makes no mention of a "rapture." It is an invention of man.


I thought that the rapture scenario arose from Thesselonians 1 & 2. The word ''trinity'' also doesn't appear in the Bible...but the concept is doctrine.


Hi Mamma, the two letters to the church at Thessalonica are great reading and in chapter 5 of 1st Thessalonians it speaks about the return of Jesus, but doesn't make any commentary about rapture or the tenants of that doctrine.

The teachings about the Father, Son, and Holy Ghost are clearly in the bible, the term trinity is not there though.

ViolaLee
09-11-2007, 11:47 PM
The Bible doesn't say the believers will float up to heaven and then the rest of us will have to deal with the anti-Christ?

That's the rapture. Maybe the Bible doesn't use that word, but it describes the happenings.

BoogyMan
09-11-2007, 11:52 PM
The Bible doesn't say the believers will float up to heaven and then the rest of us will have to deal with the anti-Christ?

That's the rapture. Maybe the Bible doesn't use that word, but it describes the happenings.


Viola, I would certainly appreciate you showing me where the rapture is described in detail.

ViolaLee
09-12-2007, 12:00 AM
My mother and grandmother are born again Christians. They told me that the Bible says that stuff, in Revelations...[hr]Here's a page all about it.

LOL!!!

http://www.countdown.org/armageddon/armageddon.htm

Buck Laser
09-12-2007, 12:09 AM
I don't believe in the rapture or the endtimes as presented in Revelation.

ViolaLee
09-12-2007, 12:10 AM
It's what's preached by the evangelicals. It's what your President believes.

BoogyMan
09-12-2007, 12:18 AM
It's what's preached by the evangelicals. It's what your President believes.


Egads Viola, the man believes something and that means I have to support it even though it isn't in the New Testament? :D

ViolaLee
09-12-2007, 12:20 AM
It's what's preached by the evangelicals. It's what your President believes.


Egads Viola, the man believes something and that means I have to support it even though it isn't in the New Testament? :D
Who said you had to support it?

I'm just tellin' ya what I know! :peace:

Buck Laser
09-12-2007, 02:19 AM
It's what's preached by the evangelicals. It's what your President believes.


Not all evangelicals are fans of Revelation's view of the end days. It was written, by the way, to Christians who expected the end to come imminently--like sometime in the first century. Literalists have been scrambling ever since to try to make events of their era fit. But that's just not what apocalyptic literature is about.

ttriber
09-12-2007, 05:59 AM
I am a Christian don't know many verses but I can tell you that their is an end time coming soon I believe and the Anti-Christ will come from Russia. I'm not gonna go into the whole debate of evolution & Christianity because before Darwin died he denounced evolution.

Questerr
09-13-2007, 05:39 PM
I am a Christian don't know many verses but I can tell you that their is an end time coming soon I believe and the Anti-Christ will come from Russia. I'm not gonna go into the whole debate of evolution & Christianity because before Darwin died he denounced evolution.


That's a myth: Index to Creationist Claims: Darwin renounced evolution on his deathbed. (http://www.talkorigins.org/indexcc/CG/CG001.html)
And even if he did recant, unlike religion, which hangs on the word of one man, science relies on evidence from many sources. Science backs evolution regardless of what Darwin thought. In fact, the current theory of evolution goes far beyond and much more into detail than anything Darwin ever came up with.

mammalicious
09-14-2007, 05:56 PM
The New Testament makes no mention of a "rapture." It is an invention of man.


I thought that the rapture scenario arose from Thesselonians 1 & 2. The word ''trinity'' also doesn't appear in the Bible...but the concept is doctrine.


Hi Mamma, the two letters to the church at Thessalonica are great reading and in chapter 5 of 1st Thessalonians it speaks about the return of Jesus, but doesn't make any commentary about rapture or the tenants of that doctrine.

The teachings about the Father, Son, and Holy Ghost are clearly in the bible, the term trinity is not there though.


They don't say they are one in the same entity...If Jesus was God...why did He pray to Himself in the Garden? Anyway, it's not just Thesselonians that hint at the rapture...

"But I would not have you to be ignorant, brethren, concerning them which are asleep, that ye sorrow not, even as others which have no hope. For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him. For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep. For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first: Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord. Wherefore comfort one another with these words." -1st Thessalonians 4:13-18




"Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto him, That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand. Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;" -2nd Thessalonians 2:1-3


Matthew 24:30-36
"At that time the sign of the Son of Man will appear in the sky, and all the nations of the earth will mourn. They will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of the sky, with power and great glory. And he will send his angels with a loud trumpet call, and they will gather his elect from the four winds, from one end of the heavens to the other

Matthew 24:40-41
Two men will be in the field; one will be taken and the other left.
Two women will be grinding with a hand mill; one will be taken and the other left.

John 14:1-3
Do not let your hearts be troubled. Trust in God; trust also in me. In my Father's house are many rooms; if it were not so, I would have told you. I am going there to prepare a place for you. And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come back and take you to be with me that you also may be where I am.

Philippians 3:20-21
But our citizenship is in heaven. And we eagerly await a Savior from there, the Lord Jesus Christ, who, by the power that enables him to bring everything under his control, will transform our lowly bodies so that they will be like his glorious body.


1 Corinthians 15:51-52
Listen, I tell you a mystery: We will not all sleep, but we will all be changed- in a flash, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet. For the trumpet will sound, the dead will be raised imperishable, and we will be changed.

BoogyMan
09-14-2007, 06:07 PM
Momma, you want to read up on what the common thought process about "the rapture" is. It isn't the 2nd coming of Christ as detailed in the bible.

The rapture is to be a time when, according to it's purporters, the saved will be taken and then a time of tribulation on Earth would begin.

Each of the verses you posted talks about the 2nd coming, not the so called rapture.