For Those Of You Who Question The Iraq War

[nevadamedic]

Look at this website and the pictures.

http://gopvixen.blogs.com/gop_vixen/2005/08/a_memo_to_cindy.html

[Cobra]

What type of pics, I've had my quota of dead and mangled bodies for the day.

[Alonzo]

How classy. Tricking people into looking at photos of dead bodies.

[Cobra]

Didn't trick me, I guessed it. Good propanganda though, pics like that always pull on peoples heart strings and inspire an emotional reaction.[hr]Those aren't that bad tho after looking. Fresh kills are worse at least to me.

[Elrathin]

Well I guess one could post pictures of what the roadside bomb victims and market victims of suicide attacks looks like since we invaded Iraq and gave terrorists the ability to wage war with us and the Iraqis in Iraq.

Not a very convincing argument there NM.

[Scorpion]

Wonderful. Another ultra neo-con blog. *yawn*

[sbannon]

Okay, I bit and gave a glance. What strikes me the most is what I didn't see there. Not one single victim of Al Qaeda's, and not one single dead American son or daughter. Yes, those were better days for us.

Sure, they were some bad times for the Iraqi people, but it was their bad times to stand up against, not ours.

[April15]

Outside of being dead so long they are nothing like the killings in our prison systems.

[underdawg]

Yeah it just shows pictures of the result of a dictator that we put into power. I doubt we would have gone to war against Saddam if he were an ally and still killed his people. Our government tends to look the other way when a country kills its people yet remains an ally or even better a trade partner. That whole reason that our government went to war to give democracy to the Iraqi people is totally bullsh*t. We invaded Iraq under false reasons and the war is unjust pure and simple.

[ViolaLee]

I can't look at dead bodies on purpose. It's always by mistake that I see pictures of horror and the image stays with me for days. Thanks for the warnings guys. What are the pictures of? The killings of the Kurds, one of the 'after the fact' reasons we invaded Iraq, 30 years too late? We invaded Iraq for WMD and then when we didn't find any, so we pretended we did it because Saddam killed the Kurds 30 years ago. Oh wait, it was to spread freedom and democracy. Is that right? I can never remember the reason we invaded Iraq.

[ECW]

I question the Iraq War, Nevadamedic, and what you posted did not change my mind one bit. In fact, it made me even more determined to oppose this war. Thanks.

[Saigio]

And? I've seen worse in my school history classes.
Nice try at an appeal to emotion and shock value, though.
It tends not to work after the first person notices it and mentions it though.
But here, have a cookie for effort.

[maineman]

the world has always been a nasty place... the killing fields of cambodia... the ethnic slaughter in rwanda... the genocide of idi amin.... if we were to attempt to right every wrong around the globe, we would be incapable of doing so.

we were attacked. we know who our enemies are and were....AND THEY ARE NOT SECULAR SUNNI BA'ATHISTS FROM IRAQ!!!! And regardless of what an asshole Saddam had been to his people, he did not have anything to do with the attack on us and he had nothing to do with the people who attacked us.

we have an enemy. he is just as strong today as he was the day he attacked us. we have diverted our assets that should have been used to fight our real enemy and now have them bogged down in a conflict in iraq that has nothing to do with our enemies and that keeps us from effectively fighting those real enemies while we babysit a sunni-shiite civil war in iraq instead.

and still, the republicans continue to proclaim that bush is the greatest thing since sliced bread.

pathetic.

[Todzilla]

Well, once we found out who supplied Saddam with the components to make those vile chemical weapons, they'll have AMERICA to answer to.

[jafar00]

Well, once we found out who supplied Saddam with the components to make those vile chemical weapons, they'll have AMERICA to answer to.


Don't be silly. The US govt wont hold itself accountable to anyone, especially not themselves.

[exigent]

Nice try Nevadamedic.

Not one of those pictures was a threat to my safety.

Awwwwe those poor Iraqis...what about this picture?

http://www.ordoesitexplode.com/photos/uncategorized/darfur_2.gif

500 murders a unabated day. Keep patting yourself on the back for helping the world become a better, safe place...but genocide still exists. Saddam was nothing compared to some monster that are still in power. As long as they smile and nod whenever we look at them, they wont be harmed either.

[namguy]

Let's call it the way it is. Wars are good for the big corporate lobby, this war is all about money, just as the other wars were. I was in one, I know what there all about and absoultely no one will convince me other wise.

[bobbylien]

As Nixon once said Namguy, "Short of changing human nature, therefore, the only way to achieve a practical, livable peace in a world of competing nations is to take the profit out of war."

[namguy]

As Nixon once said Namguy, "Short of changing human nature, therefore, the only way to achieve a practical, livable peace in a world of competing nations is to take the profit out of war."



Exactly:peace:

[TheStripey1]

I can't look at dead bodies on purpose. It's always by mistake that I see pictures of horror and the image stays with me for days. Thanks for the warnings guys. What are the pictures of? The killings of the Kurds, one of the 'after the fact' reasons we invaded Iraq, 30 years too late? We invaded Iraq for WMD and then when we didn't find any, so we pretended we did it because Saddam killed the Kurds 30 years ago. Oh wait, it was to spread freedom and democracy. Is that right? I can never remember the reason we invaded Iraq.


that's because bush and his neocon pals keep changing the reason we are there... and they keep changing the goals in order to keep us there...

I bet if their own children were sent to Iraq tour after tour after tour after tour after tour, they'd have a different view...

but alas, the first twins haven't enlisted... their patriotism is just so much lip service. And I'd be willing to bet twenty tiger bucks that none of the neocons' children have enlisted either.

any takers?

:fight:[hr]
the world has always been a nasty place... the killing fields of cambodia... the ethnic slaughter in rwanda... the genocide of idi amin.... if we were to attempt to right every wrong around the globe, we would be incapable of doing so.

we were attacked. we know who our enemies are and were....AND THEY ARE NOT SECULAR SUNNI BA'ATHISTS FROM IRAQ!!!! And regardless of what an asshole Saddam had been to his people, he did not have anything to do with the attack on us and he had nothing to do with the people who attacked us.

we have an enemy. he is just as strong today as he was the day he attacked us. we have diverted our assets that should have been used to fight our real enemy and now have them bogged down in a conflict in iraq that has nothing to do with our enemies and that keeps us from effectively fighting those real enemies while we babysit a sunni-shiite civil war in iraq instead.

and still, the republicans continue to proclaim that bush is the greatest thing since sliced bread.

pathetic.


aye, mm... aye!

too bad more of those war mongering bush supporters don't enlist...

[hr]
Let's call it the way it is. Wars are good for the big corporate lobby, this war is all about money, just as the other wars were. I was in one, I know what there all about and absoultely no one will convince me other wise.




welcome to the board, namguy... and only about half of the posters here will try to convince you that this war is in our best interests...

It's not...

** When and where did you serve in Nam? I was there from Oct 67 to Oct 68... annnnnnnnnnnnnd I volunteered to go...

thus becoming a forever member of the Fraternal Order Of Lunatics...

obtw... I was in the air force...

[namguy]

How classy. Tricking people into looking at photos of dead bodies.


One thing for a fact....don't believe anything you may hear of the war:unreal:

[Deadshot]

Nevada, where are your pics from Greece? How 'bout from Tibet? Maybe Brazil?

Oh that's right, we didn't invade those countries so our men and women aren't dying over there.

I wonder if all our troops left if there would be anymore pics, ya think?

[Kyi Yo]

I not only question the Iraq War, I opposed it from day one and still do.

The latest figures on Iraqi deaths because of the war are at 1.2 million, worse then Darfur or Rwanda. Yeah, we've done a lot for Iraqis.

We've also created the greatest refugee crisis in decades with over 4 million Iraqis displaced from their homes and lives.

We went into a country that had no terrorists operating within their borders to creating a place where terrorists reign in some provinces. We've also boosted their coffers and inspired many many more young men and women to join their ranks.

We've destroyed their healthcare system, infrastructure (water, bridges, roads) and economy.

I think we've done enough in "liberating" Iraq. We sent them almost back to the stone age.

We didn't even get what we came for, their oil. Oh, yeah, that's why we have to "Stay the Course". Gotta finish the job eh?

[namguy]

I not only question the Iraq War, I opposed it from day one and still do.

The latest figures on Iraqi deaths because of the war are at 1.2 million, worse then Darfur or Rwanda. Yeah, we've done a lot for Iraqis.

We've also created the greatest refugee crisis in decades with over 4 million Iraqis displaced from their homes and lives.

We went into a country that had no terrorists operating within their borders to creating a place where terrorists reign in some provinces. We've also boosted their coffers and inspired many many more young men and women to join their ranks.

We've destroyed their healthcare system, infrastructure (water, bridges, roads) and economy.

I think we've done enough in "liberating" Iraq. We sent them almost back to the stone age.

We didn't even get what we came for, their oil. Oh, yeah, that's why we have to "Stay the Course". Gotta finish the job eh?


As yourself, I was never for this war...any war:peace:

[Labrocca]

I found this picture touching.

http://gopvixen.blogs.com/gop_vixen/images/grave10.jpg

Agree or disagree with the war it's probably best Saddam was removed from power.

[exigent]

I found this picture touching.

http://gopvixen.blogs.com/gop_vixen/images/grave10.jpg

Agree or disagree with the war it's probably best Saddam was removed from power.


how does that change anything? They always have and always will hate each other, no matter who's in charge

[heyjude]

It would probably be best if we removed Bush from power too, but I don't want 100 years of foreign occupation, millions of dead, and nationwide devestation to convince me of that. Not to mention stealing our oil.

[AnnEsthesia]

Yep, Saddam needed to be removed from power... 10 years before the war began when he was actively committing genocide. Funny how we were not terribly indignant about that until we needed a reason to invade.

[ViolaLee]

Actually that was 25 years before the war began, when he gassed the Kurds and the Iranians with the chemical weapons we and our European allies sold to him.

[AnnEsthesia]

Ok, whenever it was, lol.

[Elrathin]

Agree or disagree with the war it's probably best Saddam was removed from power.


I would agree with you if I didn't think the mess we have left there is worse now. In Sadaam's time, the main fear you had was pissing off the man. Now everyone is afraid because no matter what their actions are they are targets for suicide bombs.

[ECW]

Agree or disagree with the war it's probably best Saddam was removed from power.


I would agree with you if I didn't think the mess we have left there is worse now. In Sadaam's time, the main fear you had was pissing off the man. Now everyone is afraid because no matter what their actions are they are targets for suicide bombs.


...or being run out of their homes by one of the militias so that one of their own people can move in. Ethnic cleansing isn't a real nice feature of a society that is collapsing but it's a reality.

[Todzilla]

SO, anywhere we see dead bodies, we should invade?

[namguy]

SO, anywhere we see dead bodies, we should invade?


I've no idea what your talking about

[Todzilla]

SO, anywhere we see dead bodies, we should invade?


I've no idea what your talking about


Mine was a sarcastic reply to the original poster who sought to have us redouble support for the war based on images of carnage and cruelty, which by the way, both sides in the debate have plenty of fodder for.

[namguy]

SO, anywhere we see dead bodies, we should invade?


I've no idea what your talking about


Mine was a sarcastic reply to the original poster who sought to have us redouble support for the war based on images of carnage and cruelty, which by the way, both sides in the debate have plenty of fodder for.


Cool:thumbsup:

[HumanBeast]

Sick, man, sick. :sadly:



However, what about all the atrocities happening in Africa, South America, and other parts of Asia?

[jafar00]

SO, anywhere we see dead bodies, we should invade?


So that would make Burma next on the list?

[namguy]

Sick, man, sick. :sadly:



However, what about all the atrocities happening in Africa, South America, and other parts of Asia?


I do feel for the African, South American and Asian peoples, I agree with you there. The truth is this adninistration is only worried about countries that are feeding the run away corporations here. There not worried about the the peoples you've mentioned above:sadly:

[tony mitra]

Agree or disagree with the war it's probably best Saddam was removed from power.


Well, somehow I cannot come to agree to that statement. This, to me, has less to do with Saddam, and more to do with the legitimacy of the US action.

If USA is to single handedly decide Saddam is an unfit ruler of his own country, and USA more or less did just that, not even seeking an UN approval, then in essence USA decided to be the judge, jury and executioner in the same stroke.

Further, having captured Saddam, the US did not hand him over to the International Criminal Court for crime against Humanity, like Milocevic was. Instead, they let him be judged by a make shift court in Iraq, a country that had no time to even finalize its own constitution, nor form a stable government, have an established and independent judiciary with some history of having conducted such high value criminal cases. Iraq neither controlled its own oil weath, or had an infrastructure to supports its civilian population. It was in the midst of serious sectarian civil war as well as insurgency, and same time oppupied by a foreign force, namely the US.

To me, USA had Saddam tried in a Kangaroo court, and got him hanged.

And there is probably a reason. Saddam, even if he deserved to be hanged, would have spilled some uncomfortable beans about a lot of people and a lot of nations, had he been tried in The Hague and given a full and fair hearing.

So, no disrespect to your notion about Saddam, I stand disagreed on the entire process starting from the invasion, the toppling of his regime and his ultimate sham court case and execution.

But this is just my view.

Cheers :)

[micfranklin]

Look at this website and the pictures.

http://gopvixen.blogs.com/gop_vixen/2005/08/a_memo_to_cindy.html


Dead bodies, mourning people, skeletons.

Try harder next time.

[namguy]

Look at this website and the pictures.

http://gopvixen.blogs.com/gop_vixen/2005/08/a_memo_to_cindy.html


Dead bodies, mourning people, skeletons.

Try harder next time.



I hate war:help:I saw that first hand many years ago:dizzy: