Ten ways Muslims will kill you.

[preservanation]

http://www.truthandgrace.com/muslimviolence.htm
:thumbsup:

[Alonzo]

Tasteless. Remind me of boogys quote in my sig.

[preservanation]

Tasteless. Remind me of boogys quote in my sig.

So you are refuting the quotes, scholar?

[Buck Laser]

The Dick Cheney one was funny.
Are you the designated sub for Cheesy? You'll have to try harder. :blah:

[jafar00]

Tasteless. Remind me of boogys quote in my sig.

So you are refuting the quotes, scholar?


Aww, do I have to refute them again? :s

[preservanation]

Qur'an 9:5 So when the sacred months have passed, slay the idolaters, wherever you find them, and take them captive and besiege them and lie in wait for them in every ambush. But if they repent and keep up prayer and pay the poor-rate, leave their way free. Surely Allah is Forgiving, Merciful.

What a mouthful of contradictions.
How can anybody be taken seriously who espouse this?

The actions of the proponents of this faith are the only thing I take VERY seriously!

[Elrathin]

Ok I get it. When someone quotes the Koran out of context, that is fact. But when someone quotes from the bible out of context, they just don't understand it. Must be the conservative way.

[preservanation]

Actions, not words are what I fear.
911, or the "invasion of Manhattan", according to AQ, was perpetrated by Muslims not Baptists nor Bush.
Or do you disagree?

[Elrathin]

Actions, not words are what I fear.
911, or the "invasion of Manhattan", according to AQ, was perpetrated by Muslims not Baptists nor Bush.
Or do you disagree?


It was perpetrated by RADICAL Muslims, not representative of ALL Muslims or even a majority of them. There is a difference.

If a group from Texas, decides to bomb something in Colorado, does that mean all Texans are responsible? No, of course not. Then why are all Muslims responsible for 9/11? They aren't.

[preservanation]

Actions, not words are what I fear.
911, or the "invasion of Manhattan", according to AQ, was perpetrated by Muslims not Baptists nor Bush.
Or do you disagree?


It was perpetrated by RADICAL Muslims, not representative of ALL Muslims or even a majority of them. There is a difference.

If a group from Texas, decides to bomb something in Colorado, does that mean all Texans are responsible? No, of course not. Then why are all Muslims responsible for 9/11? They aren't.
I'll take your point under advisement.

[jafar00]

Qur'an 9:5 So when the sacred months have passed, slay the idolaters, wherever you find them, and take them captive and besiege them and lie in wait for them in every ambush. But if they repent and keep up prayer and pay the poor-rate, leave their way free. Surely Allah is Forgiving, Merciful.

What a mouthful of contradictions.
How can anybody be taken seriously who espouse this?

The actions of the proponents of this faith are the only thing I take VERY seriously!


You clearly do need some context

(This is a declaration of) immunity by Allah and His Messenger towards those of the idolaters with whom you made an agreement.

So go about in the land for four months and know that you cannot weaken Allah and that Allah will bring disgrace to the unbelievers.

And an announcement from Allah and His Messenger to the people on the day of the greater pilgrimage that Allah and His Messenger are free from liability to the idolaters; therefore if you repent, it will be better for you, and if you turn back, then know that you will not weaken Allah; and announce painful punishment to those who disbelieve.

Except those of the idolaters with whom you made an agreement, then they have not failed you in anything and have not backed up any one against you, so fulfill their agreement to the end of their term; surely Allah loves those who are careful (of their duty).

So when the sacred months have passed away, then slay the idolaters wherever you find them, and take them captives and besiege them and lie in wait for them in every ambush, then if they repent and keep up prayer and pay the poor-rate, leave their way free to them; surely Allah is Forgiving, Merciful.

And if one of the idolaters seek protection from you, grant him protection till he hears the word of Allah, then make him attain his place of safety; this is because they are a people who do not know.

How can there be an agreement for the idolaters with Allah and with His Messenger; except those with whom you made an agreement at the Sacred Mosque? So as long as they are true to you, be true to them; surely Allah loves those who are careful (of their duty).

How (can it be)! while if they prevail against you, they would not pay regard in your case to ties of relationship, nor those of covenant; they please you with their mouths while their hearts do not consent; and most of them are transgressors.

They have taken a small price for the communications of Allah, so they turn away from His way; surely evil is it that they do.

They do not pay regard to ties of relationship nor those of covenant in the case of a believer; and these are they who go beyond the limits.

But if they repent and keep up prayer and pay the poor-rate, they are your brethren in faith; and We make the communications clear for a people who know.

And if they break their oaths after their agreement and (openly) revile your religion, then fight the leaders of unbelief-- surely their oaths are nothing-- so that they may desist.

What! will you not fight a people who broke their oaths and aimed at the expulsion of the Messenger, and they attacked you first; do you fear them? But Allah is most deserving that you should fear Him, if you are believers.

Fight them, Allah will punish them by your hands and bring them to disgrace, and assist you against them and heal the hearts of a believing people.

And remove the rage of their hearts; and Allah turns (mercifully) to whom He pleases, and Allah is Knowing, Wise. Qur'aan 9:1-15

This is clearly historic in nature right? Someone broke a peace treaty with the Muslims. This was the Peace Treaty of Hudaybiya.

Do yourself a favour and look it up the next time you decide to quote that verse out of it's context.

[preservanation]

Strikes me as a bunch of double-speak.
Wouldn't bother me except that a considerable segment of the Muslim faith are hell-bent on destroying the west.

Self preservation is a strong motivator, as you well know.

[Elrathin]

Wouldn't bother me except that a considerable segment of the Muslim faith are hell-bent on destroying the west.

Self preservation is a strong motivator, as you well know.


It is a considerable segment, but just take a look at many in the U.S. that fall in the "Kill all Muslims" support groups. There are extremists on every side.

I will agree that Radical Islam needs to be fought, but I think education is the key to fight it. some of these extremist types have been around for thousands of years, they aren't going to go away and much like an ant hill, you can kill the mound but there are always some to survive and come back.

The key to fighting extremism is education. Much like the Christians have done in the past so that their extremist segments are extremely small and rare now because of it.

[preservanation]

The key to fighting extremism is education. Much like the Christians have done in the past so that their extremist segments are extremely small and rare now because of it.This argument is old and false if you have more of a parallel between and the shooting of an abortion dr in Canada and the awesome scope of 911, share.
Damn Baptists!
Do you realize that there is a Muslim contingent who want to do us grave harm or not?

[Elrathin]

This argument is old and false if you have more of a parallel between and the shooting of an abortion dr in Canada and the awesome scope of 911, share.
Damn Baptists!

Um I wasn't talking about the shooting of an abortion doctor. I was referring to the Change Christianity made so that they weren't killing non-believers.

There was a time that if you weren't Christian, you were jailed for your beliefs. Christianity, through education, changed that. Or are you denying that Christianity has changed throughout the years and become more tolerant?


Do you realize that there is a Muslim contingent who want to do us grave harm or not?


Of course and there are Christian elements today that want the same thing for non-Christians. The only difference is the Christians that want to kill non-believers are not in positions of power or authority to do so. That doesn't make their belief any less hateful.

Look I'm not saying that Christians are the same threat as radical Muslims. Only that extremism has not died out completely for Christians.

Yet the majority of Christians do not want to kill non-believers as they have in the past. Why is that? Because through education, Christianity evolved. It was not done by weapons or bombs.

That's also not to say that Radical Islam doesn't need to be fought with weapons, in some cases it does. But I still think education is the key to killing out Radical Islam in a big way. I don't consider that conclusion false nor idiotic.

[preservanation]

Of course and there are Christian elements today that want the same thing for non-Christians.How many buildings have they brought down lately?

[Elrathin]

Of course and there are Christian elements today that want the same thing for non-Christians.How many buildings have they brought down lately?


Does it really matter? What happens when they teach their kids hate and THEY are the ones that bring buildings down. Hate is still a threat. There was a time Radical Muslims didn't bring any buildings down either, were they not a threat with their hate then?

[preservanation]

Of course and there are Christian elements today that want the same thing for non-Christians.How many buildings have they brought down lately?


Does it really matter? What happens when they teach their kids hate and THEY are the ones that bring buildings down. Hate is still a threat. There was a time Radical Muslims didn't bring any buildings down either, were they not a threat with their hate then?

Ah,
thought police.
I read about that somewhere it seems.

[jafar00]

The key to fighting extremism is education. Much like the Christians have done in the past so that their extremist segments are extremely small and rare now because of it.This argument is old and false if you have more of a parallel between and the shooting of an abortion dr in Canada and the awesome scope of 911, share.
Damn Baptists!
Do you realize that there is a Muslim contingent who want to do us grave harm or not?


Actually, education is a rather good idea.

Koranic duels ease terror (http://www.csmonitor.com/2005/0204/p01s04-wome.html)
Yemen uses the pages of the Qur’an to re-educate its jihadis (http://www.worldviewmagazine.com/issues/article.cfm?id=139&issue=34)

The Qur'aan is the best weapon against terrorists.

[preservanation]

The threat of a threat is purely subjective.
Whereas Muslim Terrorists proclaim awful threats in word and deed on a daily basis[hr]The Qur'aan is the best weapon against terrorists.
Only if you throw it at them

[Elrathin]

Ah,
thought police.
I read about that somewhere it seems.


Now where did I say to arrest people based on thought. That is where I said education is the key to battle extremism.

I understand you may not agree with what I say, but please try not to accuse me of something I didn't say ok?

[jafar00]

The threat of a threat is purely subjective.
Whereas Muslim Terrorists proclaim awful threats in word and deed on a daily basis[hr]The Qur'aan is the best weapon against terrorists.
Only if you throw it at them


Not so. The words inside the Qur'aan are against their terrorism. Use it to show them their path is wrong, and they no longer have anything to support what they do and the way that they do it.

[Deadshot]

I think that people are people. There are people that want to kill us for shits and giggles, yet alone over their own extremism.

[Labrocca]

People find reasons and excuses for their actions. The Koran is certainly a great book for those who are murderers, rapists and terrorists. It's used to justify many attrocities. Of course for many it's a wonderful book which guides their faith. Sadly...this is not how the west is viewing the Koran because of the radical elements inside Islam. Islam really needs to do a better job of outing the terrorists within it's own society if it expects the world to view Muslims with respect instead of fear. More clerics and mosques need to be very outspoken against radical terrorism. A message needs to be sent that's loud and clear and until it does...the world will view Islam and Muslims as murdering terrorists with a religious idealogy backed by Islam and the Koran.

[preservanation]

The threat of a threat is purely subjective.
Whereas Muslim Terrorists proclaim awful threats in word and deed on a daily basis[hr]The Qur'aan is the best weapon against terrorists.
Only if you throw it at them


Not so. The words inside the Qur'aan are against their terrorism. Use it to show them their path is wrong, and they no longer have anything to support what they do and the way that they do it.
Brings me to one of my original points.
If AQ and other Asian terrorists are not Muslims, who are they?

[jafar00]

Islam really needs to do a better job of outing the terrorists within it's own society if it expects the world to view Muslims with respect instead of fear.


What does a terrorist look like? What needs to be done is for the media to educate people about Islam. That Muslims are not to be feared. Instead we are made out to be full of hate and wanting to blow ourselves up. It's not fair that you put the blame on us for the image that is out there.


More clerics and mosques need to be very outspoken against radical terrorism. A message needs to be sent that's loud and clear and until it does...the world will view Islam and Muslims as murdering terrorists with a religious idealogy backed by Islam and the Koran.


How do you know that Imams in Mosques aren't being outspoken against terrorism? You never been in one to hear the Imam speak have you? Unfortunately, the content of the Khutba(Friday Sermon) is never televised unless it can be dressed up to serve the anti Islamic agenda.[hr]


The threat of a threat is purely subjective.
Whereas Muslim Terrorists proclaim awful threats in word and deed on a daily basis[hr]The Qur'aan is the best weapon against terrorists.
Only if you throw it at them


Not so. The words inside the Qur'aan are against their terrorism. Use it to show them their path is wrong, and they no longer have anything to support what they do and the way that they do it.
Brings me to one of my original points.
If AQ and other Asian terrorists are not Muslims, who are they?


People who have turned their back on the decree of Almighty God in order to further their political aspirations. That is, if they followed the path of Islam originally.

[preservanation]

If a misconception exists, I blame the lack of PR on the non-terrorist Muslims' part.
The violent Muslims get their message out much more effectively.

[Deadshot]

If a misconception exists, I blame the lack of PR on the non-terrorist Muslims' part.
The violent Muslims get their message out much more effectively.


While I don't subscribe to most of your arguments, I think you have a point here.

I do believe that there are moderate Muslims out there. But just like the fatwah vs. Rushdie, the Danish cartoons and terrorism in general the moderates don't have much of a voice. But it seems like religious leaders around the Muslim world do not seem to condem, but instead are either silent or are screaming with the terrorists.

It's sad that the moderates can't get through. It give Muslim haters a forum when only the idiots are heard.

[lawless168]

The moderate Muslims wont say much, or they will be killed.

[Alonzo]

If a misconception exists, I blame the lack of PR on the non-terrorist Muslims' part.
The violent Muslims get their message out much more effectively.

NBC: NBC, may I ask who's calling?

Nassar: Can I talk to the director of NBC programming?

NBC: One moment please.

NBC: Director of programming, is there something I can do for you?

Imam #1

Nasser: My name is Mihran Nassar. I was interested in having you film my friday sermon. Today the focus is on the importance of giving to charity.

NBC: ......................

Nasser: Hello?

NBC: .......................

Imam #2

Yassin: Hello infidel, I'm Ikhbar Yassin. I'd like you to film my sermon tonight, I want it to act as a warning to those decadent infidels who, like yourself, ignore Allahs wishes and will, God willing, soon be burning in hell.

NBC: We'll be right there! .... What's that noise?

Yassin: Oh it's nothing, just Baber beating his wife.
(Yells to Baber) Take her in the back room and beat her!

Yassin: So you'll be here shortly? I'll get things ready.

[phone hangs up]

NBC: Cancel Law and Order and replace it with a special report "The real Islam".

[preservanation]

If a misconception exists, I blame the lack of PR on the non-terrorist Muslims' part.
The violent Muslims get their message out much more effectively.


While I don't subscribe to most of your arguments, I think you have a point here.

I do believe that there are moderate Muslims out there. But just like the fatwah vs. Rushdie, the Danish cartoons and terrorism in general the moderates don't have much of a voice. But it seems like religious leaders around the Muslim world do not seem to condem, but instead are either silent or are screaming with the terrorists.

It's sad that the moderates can't get through. It give Muslim haters a forum when only the idiots are heard.

Si, senor.
Just like some argue that America's actions around the world breeds more terrorists, it can also be argued that the silence of peaceful Muslims breeds bigotry in the west.

[Deadshot]

Si, senor.
Just like some argue that America's actions around the world breeds more terrorists, it can also be argued that the silence of peaceful Muslims breeds bigotry in the west.


Again, I find myself agreeing with you.

[jafar00]

If a misconception exists, I blame the lack of PR on the non-terrorist Muslims' part.
The violent Muslims get their message out much more effectively.


Osama does seem to get the kind of publicity most movie stars or companies selling a product can only dream about. It's free for him too![hr]
The moderate Muslims wont say much, or they will be killed.


I'm still alive. Halleyuj... Alhumdulillah :)[hr]
Si, senor.
Just like some argue that America's actions around the world breeds more terrorists, it can also be argued that the silence of peaceful Muslims breeds bigotry in the west.


Oui Monsieur. Except that we are not silent. Especially amongst ourselves.

[preservanation]

Oui Monsieur. Except that we are not silent. Especially amongst ourselves.
Oui, mon ami,
and you have done your share to show me that.
Merci.

[madbetcha2]

Interesting.

[ViolaLee]

Si, senor.
Just like some argue that America's actions around the world breeds more terrorists, it can also be argued that the silence of peaceful Muslims breeds bigotry in the west.
The thing is, they are not silent. You just have to google muslims against terrorism and you get loads of links. It's just that the main stream media doesn't show it. It's not an exciting news story.

Peace doesn't sell I suppose.

Here's the first one, among many. Lots of quotes from lots of Muslims against terrorism.

http://www.islamfortoday.com/terrorism.htm

[madbetcha2]

Clean the land of christianty,pure Church's air,ban/kick out all pagan/jew off.No terriost anymore.

[jafar00]

Clean the land of christianty,pure Church's air,ban/kick out all pagan/jew off.No terriost anymore.


There is another guy I'm sure you would get along well with.

Hence today I believe that I am acting in accordance with the will of the Almighty Creator - by defending myself against the Jew, I am fighting for the work of the Lord. - Adolph Hitler

[exigent]

Clean the land of christianty,pure Church's air,ban/kick out all pagan/jew off.No terriost anymore.


All religion is a threat to our survival.

[bobbylien]

Just like some argue that America's actions around the world breeds more terrorists, it can also be argued that the silence of peaceful Muslims breeds bigotry in the west.
I've heard that from conservatives for quite a while now and I have a question. What do you want them to say and do you think the American news media would even show it?

[AnnEsthesia]

Those damned Jewish terrorists! Have you ever been bombarded with lox? I tell you, it really stings! madbetcha, I have no idea where you are coming from, but you truly have an interesting view of the world.

[moses2792796]

Isn't terrorism defined as the murder of civilians. Clearly the Israeli army are terrorists by that definition.