The Clinton Body Count

[nevadamedic]

The following people are/were 'risks' to Bill Clinton. All but four are dead and most died under mysterious conditions.


Mary Mohane – former White House intern gunned down in a coffee shop. Nothing was taken. It was suspected that she was about to testify about sexual harassment at the White House.


Vincent Foster – former White House Counsel, found dead of a gunshot wound to the head and ruled a suicide. He had significant knowledge of the Clintons’ financial affairs and was a business partner (and alleged sex partner) with Hillary. If the Clintons are guilty of the crimes they are accused of by Larry, Vincent Foster would have detailed knowledge of those crimes.


C. Victor Raiser, II – former National Finance Co-Chairman of Clinton for President, and Montgomery Raiser, his son. Both died in a suspicious private plane crash in Alaska. No cause determined. Raiser was considered to be a major player on the Clinton team.


Paul Tully – DNC Political Director, was found dead in a Little Rock hotel room. No cause was ever determined and no autopsy was allowed. Tully was a key member of the damage control squad and came up with some of the Clinton strategies.


Ed Willey – Clinton fund raiser. Found in the woods in Virginia with a gunshot wound to the head. Ruled a suicide.


Hershell Friday – Clinton fund-raiser. His plane exploded.


Jerry Parks – former security team member for Governor Clinton. Prior to his death he had compiled and extensive file on Clinton’s activities. His family had reported being followed and his home broken into just before being gunned down at a deserted intersection.


John Wilson – former Washington D.C. council member. Had ties to Whitewater. Died of a very suspicious hanging suicide.


Kathy Ferguson – former wife of Arkansas State Trooper Danny Ferguson, the co-defendant with Bill Clinton in the Paula Jones lawsuit. Found dead in her living room of a gunshot wound to the head. Ruled a suicide. Interestingly, her packed suitcases seemed to indicate she was about to go somewhere.


Bill Shelton – Arkansas state trooper and fiancé of Kathy Ferguson. Allegedly committed suicide by shooting himself at her grave.


Gandy Baugh – attorney for Dan Lasater in a financial misconduct case. Supposedly jumped out the window of a tall building to commit suicide.


Dr. Donald Rogers – dentist. Killed in a suspicious plane crash on his way to an interview with reporter Ambrose Evans-Pritchard to reveal information about Clinton.


Stanley Huggins – lawyer investigating Madison Guaranty. Suicide. His extensive report has never been released.


Florence Martin – Accountant for the CIA and had information on the Barry Seal case. Three gunshot wounds to the head.


Suzane Coleman – reportedly had an affair with Clinton. Was seven months pregnant at the time she was found dead of a gunshot wound to the back of the head, ruled suicide.


Paula Grober – Clinton’s interpreter for the deaf. Traveled with Clinton from 1978 until her death in 1992 in a one-car accident. There were no witnesses.


Paul Wilcher – attorney investigating corruption. He had investigated federal elections, drug and gun smuggling through Mena, the Waco incident, and had just delivered a lengthy report to Janet Reno. He died in his home of unknown causes.


Jon Parnell Walker – RTC investigator who mysteriously fell to his death from an apartment balcony.


Ron Brown – former DNS Chairman, Commerce Secretary. Reported to have died in a plane crash, but new evidence reveals he may have been shot in the head. He was being investigated by a special investigator and was about to be indicted with 54 others. He spoke publicly of his willingness to “make a deal” with the prosecutors to save himself a few days before the fatal trip. He was not supposed to be on the flight but was asked to go at the last minute.


Barbara Wise – Commerce Department secretary. Worked with Ron Brown and John Huang and had extensive knowledge of their activities. Found dead in her locked office the day after Thanksgiving. It was ruled a suicide. Interestingly, she was found partially clothed, bruised, and in a pool of blood.


Charles Meissner – Assistant Secretary of Commerce. John Huang was given a special security clearance by Meissner. Shortly thereafter, he died in the crash of a small plane.


Kevin Ives and Don Henry – seventeen-year-old boys who apparently saw something related to drugs in Mena by accident late at night. Officially ruled an accidental death on the train tracks, but evidence shows they died before being placed on the tracks – one of a crushed skull and the other of a knife wound in the back.


Keith Koney – had information on the Ives and Henry deaths. Died in a motorcycle accident with reports of a high-speed car chased involved.


Keith McKaskle – had information on the Ives and Henry deaths. Stabbed to death.


Gregory Collins – had information on the Ives and Henry deaths. Gunshot wound to the head.


Jeff Rhodes – had information on the Ives and Henry and McKaskle deaths. Tortured, mutilated, shot, body burned in a dumpster.


James Milam – had information on the Ives and Henry deaths. He was decapitated. The coroner ruled death due to natural causes.


Jordan Kettleson – had information on the Ives and Henry deaths. Found shot in the front seat of his pick up truck.


Dr. Stanley Heard – Chair, National Chiropractic Health Care Advisory Committee. He personally treated Clinton’s mother, stepfather, and brother. His personal small plane developed problems so he rented another. Fire broke out in flight and he crashed.


Steve Dickson – attorney for Heard. Died in same plane crash.


John Hillier – video journalist and investigator. He helped to produce the documentaries “Circle of Power,” and “The Clinton Chronicles.” He mysteriously died in a dentist’s chair for no apparent reason.


Maj. Gen. William Robertson, Col. William Densberger, Col. Robert Kelly, Spec. Gary Rhodes, Steve Willis, Robert Williams, Conway LeBleu, Todd McKeehan, Sgt. Brian Haney, Sgt. Tim Sabel, Maj. William Barkley, Capt. Scott Reynolds – all former Clinton bodyguards who are dead.


Gary Johnson – former attorney for Larry Nichols, severely beaten and left for dead.


Dennis Patrick – had millions of dollars laundered through his account at Lasater & Co. without his knowledge. There have been several attempts on his life, all unsuccessful.


L.J. Davis – reporter. Wile investigating the Clinton scandals he was attacked in his hotel room and his notes were taken. He survived. Larry Nichols – former marketing director of ADFA. Responsible for bringing forth more evidence and witnesses on Clinton corruption than any other source. Very public about his claims against Clinton. He has suffered six beatings, arrest on trumped up charges, and a near arrest.

William Colby - Former CIA Director and at the time, contributing editor for Davidson's Strategic Investment, "a newsletter that never pulled any punches about the Clintons and detailed monthly the Clintons' sordid drug, mob, and murder connections." Colby was found drowned after reportedly going canoeing on the river next to his house alone. Strangely, his wife never recalled him saying he was going canoeing and his body was found without a lifejacket on, which was uncharacteristic of him.

http://www.unsolvedmysteries.com/usm6622.html

[nevadamedic]

MARY MAHONEY - A former White House intern was murdered July 6, 1997 at a Starbucks Coffee Shop in Georgetown. The murder happened during the pre-trial publicity surrounding the Paula Jones lawsuit days after Newsweek's Mike Isakoff dropped hints that a former White House staffer was about to go public with her story of sexual harassment in the White House.

VINCENT FOSTER - Former White House counselor, and former colleague of Hillary Clinton at Little Rock's Rose law firm. Foster was found dead July 20, 1993 of a gunshot to the head ruled a suicide. Rumours were that Foster and Hillary had an affair.

RON BROWN - Secretary of Commerce and former DNC Chairman. Reported to have died by impact in a plane crash. A pathologist close to the investigation reported to the Bob Grant Radio Show a hole in top of Brown's skull resembling a gunshot wound. At the time of his death Brown was being investigated, and spoke publicly of his willingness to cut a deal with prosecutors.

http://www.lizmichael.com/clintond.htm

[nevadamedic]

James McDougal
Banker
Died March 8, 1998
Jim McDougal was serving his three-year sentence for bank fraud at the Fort Worth Federal Medical Center in Texas, a facility operated by the federal Bureau of Prisons for inmates who need medical attention. Just prior to another round of testimony before Kenneth Starr's grand jury, McDougal, while in solitary confinement, suffered a heart attack that may have been brought on by diuretics forced on him. When Jim McDougal was finally taken
out of solitary, instead of attempting to defibrillate his heart with equipment on hand at the facility, he was driven over to John Peter Smith Hospital. Not the closest hospital to the Fort Worth Federal Medical Center, John Peter Smith hospital is a public hospital, where (in the words of one local) ,"They let
interns practice on deadbeats."

The single most damning fact to come out of the McDougal death was his injection with Lasix, a diuretic, to force his giving of a urine sample for drug testing, even though McDougal was not a known drug user. Lasix is contra-indicated in cases of heart disease and can cause excessive diuresis, blood volume reduction, circulatory collapse and vascular thrombosis or blood clots. If a matching potassium supplement is not administered at the same time, Lasix can kill. McDougal may have been taking the heart medication Digitalin, which cannot be combined with Lasix. Several inmates had gone public with the claim that McDougal was given a heavy injection of Lasix right after he ate lunch, but the prison system has refused to allow those prisoners to be interviewed or to release McDougal's medical records. The Fort Worth Star-Telegram recently acquired the official report of the McDougal death via a Freedom Of Information Act request, and found that doctors ignored McDougal's signs of imminent death.

Ron Miller Witness Died Oct. 12, 1997

Ron Miller, investigated by authorities over the sale of his company, Gage Corp. to Dynamic Energy Resources, Inc. was the man who tape-recorded Gene and Nora Lum and turned those tapes (and other records) over to congressional oversight investigators. The Lums were sentenced to prison for campaign finance violations, using "straw donors" to conceal the size of their contributions to various candidates. Indeed, Dynamic Energy Resources, Inc. had hired Ron Brown's son Michael solely for the purpose of funneling $60,000 through him to the Commerce secretary, according to Nolanda Hill's testimony. Reportedly a healthy man, Miller suddenly took ill on Oct. 3, and steadily worsened until his death nine days later. (This pattern fits Ricin poisoning.) Owing to the strangeness of the illness, doctors at the Integris Baptist Medical Center referred the matter to the Oklahoma State Medical Examiner's Office. The Oklahoma State Medical Examiner's Office promptly ran tests on samples of Ron Miller's blood, but has refused to release the results or even to confirm that the tests were ever completed.

Mary Mahoney White House intern Died July 1997

An attractive 25-year-old woman, Mahoney was a former White House intern for Bill Clinton working as the assistant manager at a Starbuck's Coffee shop in Georgetown. Gunmen entered the Starbuck's while the crew was cleaning up after closing. Mahoney's two associates, Aaron Goodrich, 18 and Emory Evans, 25, were taken to a room and shot. Mary herself had five bullets in her, from at least two different guns, most likely with silencers. A total of 10 shots were fired; none of them heard by neighbors in the densely populated Georgetown section. Mahoney was shot in the chest, her face, and in the back of the head. Even though more than $4,000 remained in the store, the police have categorized the triple murder as a robbery, even as they acknowledge the "execution style" killings. There was no sign of forced entry. One report said the cafe was still locked when the bodies were found the next morning. George Stephanopoulos, Monica Lewinsky and Chelsea Clinton were all regulars at the Starbuck's.

THE MOST FAMOUS

Vincent Foster White House Counsel Died July 21, 1993

Found dead in Fort Marcy Park in Virginia of a supposed suicide by gunshot. A suicide note was supposedly found a few days later, torn into 28 pieces, in his briefcase, after his office had been entered by White House staff and materials removed. The gun which he supposedly used to kill himself was reported to be still in his hand, but the person who first found the body reports that there was no gun at that time. Many irregularities surround the death and the investigation of it. Like Clinton, Foster was from Hope, Ark. He worked for the Rose Law firm with Hillary Clinton. London Telegraph reporter Ambrose Evans-Pritchard reports a member of the Foster family has confirmed to him that Foster and Mrs. Clinton were lovers. Foster had intimate knowledge of the Clintons' personal finances. Foster was involved in an investigation of their finances, and reportedly made a phone call to Hillary Clinton, in Los Angeles, just hours before his death. Recently, the signed report of medical examiner Dr. Donald Haut was uncovered at the National Archives. It stated that Foster had a previously unreported gunshot wound to his neck. Finally, an FBI memo has surfaced dated the day after the date of the official autopsy, in which the autopsist informs the FBI that there was no exit wound.

William Colby Director of Central Intelligence (ret) Died April 27, 1996

William Colby had been the DCI from 1973 to 1976 under Nixon and Ford. At age 76, Colby had found a new career and had just started writing for Strategic Investment at the time of his death. This had worried many insiders in the intelligence community who felt that Colby had already divulged too many of the CIA's secrets in the preceding years. Indeed, his dismissal by Ford because of his over-cooperation with congressional investigations into CIA wrongdoing. It was Colby who had revealed to Congress the plans to kill Fidel Castro, the spying on American citizens (in direct violation of the CIA charter) and the conducting of biological tests by the CIA on unsuspecting citizens. He was replaced by George Bush. According to the original CNN report, Colby was reported missing by neighbors who "recovered" his canoe, by one story from under the dock at Colby's house, by another report, a quarter mile downstream. Colby was, by all reports, a methodical, tidy man, yet police found his home unlocked, his computer on, and a partly eaten dinner on the table. The official story is that Colby just put down his fork and decided to drop everything and go canoeing. Colby at 76 was still a world-traveler and consultant to many corporations. He recently became an editor of an important financial newsletter, "Strategic Investment," which covered the Vince Foster "suicide" in detail. Its editors hired three renowned handwriting experts to investigate Foster's suicide note, which hadn't been found when his briefcase was first searched, but later materialized, torn into pieces, with no fingerprints on any of the pieces. Upon comparing this document with others of Foster's writings, these experts declared it was a forgery, and a not very good one at that. Colby had old enemies as well as new, with plenty of motives for his extermination. He was in charge of the infamous Operation Phoenix during the Vietnam War, in which more than 20,000 South Vietnamese citizens -- supposedly Viet Cong sympathizers -- were rounded up, tortured and executed. In the 1970s he opened some of the secrets of the CIA to Congress: "Colby insisted on going public about the agency's role in tapping the telephones and opening the mail of Americans; plotting the assassination of Fidel Castro, and using human guinea pigs for mind-control experiments involving LSD," the Times reports. On Monday, May 6, Colby's body was found just 20 yards from where his canoe had been recovered, in an area that had been thoroughly searched several times by helicopters and search teams. Most notable about the body was the absence of a life jacket, which according to his wife, Colby always wore on the water.

DEAD BODYGUARDS

Maj. Gen. William Robertson Deputy Commanding General, V Corps, Europe Died Feb. 23, 1993 Col William Densberger V Corps Chief of Operations and Plans Died Feb. 23, 1993 Col. Robert Kelly V Corps Chief of Intelligence Died Feb. 23, 1993 Spec. Gary Rhodes Crew Chief Died Feb. 23, 1993 All were killed when their Army UH-60 Blackhawk helicopter crashed in Weisbaden, Germany. No cause was ever determined. V Corps figured prominently in the US Bosnia-Serbia peacekeeping operations, along with the carrier Roosevelt. These men, and eight others associated with Clinton's visit to the Roosevelt all died within four months of each other.

Steve Willis Clinton bodyguard Died Feb. 28, 1993 Robert Williams Clinton bodyguard Died Feb. 28, 1993 Conway LeBleu Clinton bodyguard Died Feb. 28, 1993 Todd McKeehan Clinton bodyguard Died Feb. 28, 1993 Killed by gunfire in the Waco, Texas, assault on the Branch Davidians. All four were examined by a "private doctor" and died from nearly identical wounds to the left temple, so-called execution style. In his address to employees of the Treasury Department in the Cash Room on March 18, 1993, Clinton said: "My prayers and I'm sure yours are still with the families of all four of the Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms agents who were killed in Waco -- Todd McKeehan and Conway Le Bleu of New Orleans; Steve Willis of Houston, and Robert Williams from my hometown of Little Rock. Three of those four were assigned to my security during the course of the primary or general election." However, the Little Rock, Arkansas, office of the ATF confirmed that all four had at one point been bodyguards for Bill Clinton, three while he was campaigning for president, and one while he had been governor of Arkansas. In the autopsies of these agents, three had virtually identical wounds to the left temple that exited through the rear of the head, execution-style. All four were treated by a "private physician."

Alan G. Whicher Died April 19, 1995 Oversaw Clinton's Secret Service detail. In October 1994, Whicher was transferred to the Secret Service field office in the Murrah Building in Oklahoma City. Whicher was the only agent killed in the bomb blast of April 19, 1995.

Five Navy aviators Clinton bodyguards/escorts (names not determined) Died March 26, 1993 All died in the crash of an E-2C Hawkeye in Italy. The crash occurred shortly after the plane was "waved off" from a landing attempt on the Carrier Roosevelt, due to a "foul deck." All five men had been Clinton's escorts during Clinton's visit to the Roosevelt two weeks prior. Three other men, who had flown Clinton to the Roosevelt for that visit also died later in a helicopter crash.

Staff Sgt. Brian Haney Clinton bodyguard Died May 19, 1993 Marine Sgt. Tim Sabel Clinton bodyguard Died May 19, 1993 Maj. William Barkley Clinton bodyguard Died May 19, 1993 Capt. Scott Reynolds Clinton bodyguard Died May 19, 1993 All four men died when their helicopter crashed in the woods near Quantico, Va. Reporters were barred from the site, and the head of the fire department responding to the crash described it by saying, "Security was tight," with "lots of Marines with guns." A videotape made by a firefighter was seized by the Marines. All four men had escorted Clinton on his flight to the carrier Roosevelt shortly before their deaths.

Unknown SS agent Killed when the C-130 carrying the presidential limos crashed near Jackson Hole, Wyoming.

DEAD FUNDRAISERS

C. Victor Raiser II National Finance Co-Chairman, Clinton for President Campaign Died July 30, 1992 Montgomery Raiser Son of C. Victor Raiser II Died July 30, 1992 Both men died in a private plane crash in Alaska, en route to a fishing expedition. No cause was ever determined. Five others not connected to Clinton died with them. DeeDee Meyers described Raiser as a "major player" in the Clinton organization. Victor raiser was also chairman of Mobile Telecomm Technologies Corp., whose subsidiary, SkyTel Corp. is an international paging company used by federal police agencies such as the FBI. Victor Raiser was a Washington lawyer and he was counsel to the Washington law firm of Jones Day Reavis & Pogue until 1991. At his death, he was the national finance co-chairman of the Clinton for President campaign. He and his wife had been friends of the Clintons for ten years. He was the past national finance chairman of the Democratic National Committee. He served on the boards of the Democratic Business Council and the Center for National Policy and the board of advisers of the Democratic Leadership Council. On May 29, 1993, President Clinton announced that he had selected Raiser's widow, Molly Raiser, 50, former Democratic co-chair of the Women's Campaign Fund, to be his protocol chief and stated that he planned to nominate her for confirmation as an ambassador.

Paul Tully Democratic National Committee Political Director Died Sept. 24, 1992 Found dead in a hotel room in Little Rock Arkansas of "unknown causes." No autopsy allowed. Described by Clinton as a "dear friend and trusted advisor. Tully authored several key strategies for Clinton and the party. Paul Tully, 48, Democratic National Committee political director and architect of a strategy to make the party competitive again in presidential elections, was found dead in his hotel room on September 24, 1992, in Little Rock, Arkansas of unknown causes. Authorities speculated his death was from a heart attack or stroke. Tully devised a strategy of targeting states based on their value in the Electoral College, and coordinating the presidential campaign with state and congressional races.

Ed Willey Real Estate Attorney, Clinton Fund Raiser Died Nov. 30, 1993 Died of a shotgun blast to the head. Body found in deep woods in Virginia. Ruled a suicide, no note was found. Died on the same day his wife was allegedly sexually accosted in the White House by Bill Clinton. Intimately involved in several Clinton fund raising events.

Hershell Friday Attorney and Clinton fund raiser. Died March 1, 1994 Killed when his plane exploded. Cause unknown.

Larry Lawrence Ambassador to Switzerland nominee. Larry Lawrence was a fundraiser, made famous by his burial at Arlington which revealed not only the special treatment given him but the depths of his legal troubles prior to his being nominated as ambassador to Switzerland. Less well known is that at the time of his death, allegedly from a heart attack, Larry Lawrence had just come under criminal investigation by the State Department and had (as had Ron Brown) indicated a willingness to cooperate.

DEAD WITNESSES

Luther Parks Head of Clinton's ecurity team in Little Rock. Died Sept. 26, 1993 Gunned down in his car at the intersection of Chanaul Parkway and Cantrell Road, near Jacksonville, Arkansas, (near Little Rock). Parks was shot through the rear window of his car. The assailant then pulled around to the driver's side of Park's car and shot him three more times with a 9mm pistol. His family reported that shortly before his death, they were being followed by unknown persons, and their home had been broken into (despite a top quality alarm system). Parks had been compiling a dossier on Clinton's illicit activities. The dossier was stolen. When news of the discovery of Vincent Foster's body was reported, Parks is reported to have said, "Bill Clinton is cleaning house."

Bill Shelton Arkansas state trooper and fiancee of Kathy Ferguson Died June 1994 He allegedly committed suicide by shooting himself in the back of the head at the grave site of his fiancee. Officer Shelton was the fiancee of Kathy Ferguson, who was the ex-wife of Trooper Danny Ferguson. Kathy Ferguson also committed "suicide" a month earlier by allegedly shooting herself in the back of the head. Oddly, next to the body were her packed bags, as if she was expecting to be going somewhere. Danny Ferguson is a co-defendant along with Bill Clinton in Paula Corbin Jones' sexual harassment suit. His ex-wife was reported as a corroborating witness for Ms. Jones.

Kathy Ferguson Ex-wife of Trooper Danny Ferguson Died May 1994 Died of a supposed gunshot suicide in her living room. There was a suicide note found by the body. However, friends were surprised at having noticed nothing wrong previously. And even more curious, found nearby were several packed suitcases, as if she expected she was going somewhere. She was the former wife of Trooper Danny Ferguson, who is the Arkansas state trooper alleged to have escorted Paula Corbin Jones to the hotel room for her alleged episode of sexual harassment by then-Governor Clinton. Ferguson's wife was reported as a possible corroborating witness for Jones.

Gandy Baugh Died Jan. 8, 1994 Attorney representing Dan Lasater in a case concerning alleged financial misconduct. Died in an alleged suicide by jumping out of a window of a multi-story building. Lasater was a close associate of Gov. Clinton, and was convicted of cocaine distribution. Baugh's law partner was also "committed suicide" one month later on Feb. 9, 1994.

Dr. Ronald Rogers Dentist from Arkansas Killed in plane crash as he was on his way to an interview with a London Sunday Telegraph reporter to reveal information about Clinton scandals.

Stanley Huggins Partner in Memphis law firm Investigating Madison Guaranty Savings & Loan, he was reported to have succumbed to viral pneumonia. His 300-page report has never been released.

Calvin Walraven A key witness in Joycelyn Elder's son's drug case. Ten days after Elder's son was convicted of trafficking in cocaine, Walraven was found dead in his apartment with a gunshot blast to the head. Tim Hover, a Little Rock police spokesman, said no foul play is suspected.

Neil Moody Died Aug. 25, 1996 Following Vincent Foster's murder, Lisa Foster married James Moody, a judge in Arkansas, on Jan 1, 1996. Near the time Susan McDougal first went to jail for contempt, Judge Moody's son, Neil, died in a car crash. There were other reports that Neil Moody had discovered something very unsettling among his stepmother's private papers and was threatening to go public with it just prior to the beginning of the Democratic National Convention. Witnesses said they saw Neil Moody sitting in his car arguing with another person. Then his car sped off and hit a brick wall.

Johnny Franklin Lawhon Died March 29, 1998 In the spring of 1997, a tornado ripped through some junked cars at Johnny's Transmission shop and opened up the trunk of a car that proved to have a box of Whitewater records in it, including a copy of a $27,000 cashier's check drawn on Madison and payable to Bill Clinton. Lawhon realized what he was looking at and turned the box of documents over to the FBI. According to police, Lawhon and a friend hit a telephone pole at a high rate of speed after their car had become airborne and left the road. They had driven less than a quarter mile at the time of the impact.

Eric Butera An informant who came forward offering information regarding the murder of White House intern Mary Mahoney. He was then sent into a known crack house to make an undercover buy for the police and was beaten to death.

DEAD WOMEN

Suzanne Coleman Had affair with Clinton when he was attorney general. Died of "suicide" with gunshot wound to the back of her head. No autopsy allowed. Was seven months pregnant at time of her death. She had told friends it was Bill Clinton's child.

Paula Grober Clinton's speech interpreter for the deaf. Died Dec. 9, 1992 Died in a one-car accident with no known witnesses. Her body was thrown 33 feet from the car, indicating a very high speed. A very attractive woman, Paula traveled extensively with Clinton from 1978 until her death. Clinton, through a spokesman, called Gober's death "a great personal loss." He also said, "Hillary and I extend our sincere sympathy to Paula's family. I had the privilege of working with her over many years."

Judy Gibbs Penthouse model and call girl Judy Gibbs, who appeared in the December 1979 issue of Penthouse, and her sister Sharon were part of a house of prostitution in Fordyce, Arkansas, that also engaged in blackmail of its more powerful clients. Linked to Bill Clinton by both her own family and by one of Bill's bodyguards, Judy had just decided to cooperate with police in an investigation of Arkansas cocaine trafficking when she burned to death inside her home from a fire of undetermined origin.

DEAD INVESTIGATORS

Paul Wilcher Washington attorney investigating gun running out of Mena, Arkansas. Died June 22, 1993 Found dead on a toilet in his Washington apartment. No cause of death was ever reported by the coroner. At the time of his death, he was investigating connections between the "October Surprise" during the 1980 federal election campaign and drug and gun-running out of Mena, Arkansas, as well as the assault on the Waco, Texas, Branch Davidians. Was planning on producing a television documentary on his findings. He had delivered a 105-page affidavit to Janet Reno detailing the evidence he had collected regarding the drug operation at Mena, just three weeks before his death.

Jon Parnell Walker Resolution Trust Commission investigator Mysteriously fell to his death from an apartment balcony.

COMMERCE DEPARTMENT DEATHS

Ron Brown Former Chairman, DNC; Commerce Secretary Died May 3, 1996. Ron Brown died along with 39 other people when the T-43 (a converted 737 used by the Air Force) carrying the group on a trip to Bosnia crashed while approaching the Dubrovnik airport. On the verge of being indicted and having stated his willingness to make a deal with prosecutors, Ron Brown's death brought to an end his ability to testify. Military investigators concealed from the public the fact that a perfectly cylindrical hole, the size of a .45-caliber round, was found in the top of his head. No autopsy was performed.

Barbara Wise Commerce Department staffer Died Nov. 29, 1996 As the scandals continued to swirl around the Commerce Department, and most of all about John Huang, one of Huang's associates, Barbara Wise, was found dead in her locked office at the Department of Commerce, partially nude and covered with bruises. No cause of death has ever been announced.

Charles Meissner Assistant Secretary of Commerce for International Economic Policy. Following Ron Brown's death, John Huang was placed on a Commerce Department contract that allowed him to retain his security clearance by Charles Meissner. Shortly thereafter, Charles Meissner died in the crash of a small plane.

THE HENRY - IVES DEATHS A.K.A. THE "TRAIN DEATHS"

Kevin Ives & Don Henry Initial cause of death was reported to be the result of falling asleep on railroad tracks in Arkansas on Aug. 23, 1987. This ruling was reported by the state medical examiner Fahmy Malak, appointed at the pleasure of Gov. Bill Clinton. Later it was determined that Kevin died from a crushed skull prior to being placed on the tracks. Don had been stabbed in the back. Rumors indicate that they might have stumbled upon part of the Mena drug operation.

Keith Coney Keith had information on the Ives/Henry deaths. Died in a motorcycle accident in July 1988 while being chased by a car. Ruled a traffic accident.

Keith McKaskle McKaskle had information on the Ives/Henry deaths. He was stabbed to death in November 1988. He had told his family someone was out to kill him and told them "goodbye."

Gregory Collins Greg had information on the Ives/Henry deaths. He died from a gunshot blast to the face in January 1989. Declared a suicide.

Paul Olson A federal witness in investigations to drug money corruption in Chicago politics, Paul had just finished two days of FBI interviews when his plane ride home crashed, killing Paul and 130 others on Sept 8, 1994. The Sept. 15, 1994, Tempe Tribune newspaper reported that the FBI suspected that a bomb had brought down the airplane.

Jeff Rhodes He had information on the deaths of Ives, Henry & McKaskle. His burned body was found in a trash dump in April 1989. He died of a gunshot wound to the head and there was some body mutilation, specifically that his hands and feet had been partially sawed off, leading to the speculation that he was tortured prior to being killed. The body was then burned.

James Milan Milam had information on the Ives & Henry deaths. He was decapitated. The state Medical examiner, Fahmy Malak, initially ruled death due to natural causes, claiming that the victim's small dog had eaten the head, which was later recovered from a trash bin several blocks away.

Richard Winters Winters was a suspect in the deaths of Ives & Henry, and had offered to cooperate. He was killed by a shotgun blast to the face during a "robbery" in July 1989. Dan Harmon, the prosecutor to whom Winters reportedly made the offer, has been accused of involvement in the Kevin/Ives deaths and is now in jail for running his office as a racket.

Jordan Kettleson Kettleson had information on the Ives & Henry deaths. He was found shot to death in the front seat of his pickup in June 1990.

http://www.theforbiddenknowledge.com/hardtruth/clintonbodycount.htm

[AlonzoMourning23]

So what should happen to these mass murdering clintons? Execution?

[Scorpion]

So what should happen to these mass murdering clintons? Execution?


No, an award for pulling off all these homicides without any intelligent person catching on.

Time to re-open the X-Files.

[Deadshot]

What's the body count in Iraq right now? Around 71K Iraqi civilians and military personnel from 2003. Of course let's not forget about our own dead, 3743 U.S. Deaths confirmed by the DoD.

So in your opinion, Nevada, the Clintons have killed about 50-60 rich, fat cats while Bush has been responsible for killing almost 4000 American kids, young men and women who gave the ultimate sacrifice for a bullshit war that Bush started.

So Clinton's "X-Files" (good call Zo) "murders" don't mean shit compared to Bush's murders!

[Buck Laser]

It's not surprising at all that NevadaMedic chooses to spread stupid lies. Here's an authoritative source on his bullshit: Urban Legends: Clinton body count (http://www.snopes.com/politics/clintons/bodycount.asp)

[Elrathin]

Well this thread completely blew the "Only liberals think of conspiracies" mantra that some have hehe. Yeah, I love how people say Hilary and Bill are two of the most stupid people on Earth, yet NM has them pulling off all these.

What are they, the mafia? LOL

[ViolaLee]

It's not surprising at all that NevadaMedic chooses to spread stupid lies. Here's an authoritative source on his bullshit: Urban Legends: Clinton body count (http://www.snopes.com/politics/clintons/bodycount.asp)
The right wingers have nothing left but lies after their imbecile of a President has made such a mess of everything. I read the link Buck, thanks for posting it. It debunks every single one of the lies nevadamedic has posted. Do you think he will read it? I doubt it. He and the rest of the extreme right wackos love lies and liars. They are liar lovers! :clapper:

[nevadamedic]

Well this thread completely blew the "Only liberals think of conspiracies" mantra that some have hehe. Yeah, I love how people say Hilary and Bill are two of the most stupid people on Earth, yet NM has them pulling off all these.

What are they, the mafia? LOL


If you think they pulled it off themselves your nuts. Everyone knows Clinton used the FBI, Secret Service, CIA, ATF and IRS like his own personal army. Do I think the Clinton's did it? No, but the ordered it, maybe were in on the planning. It was probably CIA "Wetboys" who did it under Clinton's orders.

[AnnEsthesia]

And yet you say that the government would never have anything to do with 9/11... lol.

[Elrathin]

If you think they pulled it off themselves your nuts. Everyone knows Clinton used the FBI, Secret Service, CIA, ATF and IRS like his own personal army. Do I think the Clinton's did it? No, but the ordered it, maybe were in on the planning. It was probably CIA "Wetboys" who did it under Clinton's orders.


Thanks for the laugh this morning I needed it. Do you want me to buy you a tin-foil hat too?

Did Clinton also kill JFK? :lmao:

[nevadamedic]

That Starbucks and Vincent Foster murders are perfect examples of classic CIA hits.

[nevadamedic]

If you think they pulled it off themselves your nuts. Everyone knows Clinton used the FBI, Secret Service, CIA, ATF and IRS like his own personal army. Do I think the Clinton's did it? No, but the ordered it, maybe were in on the planning. It was probably CIA "Wetboys" who did it under Clinton's orders.


Thanks for the laugh this morning I needed it. Do you want me to buy you a tin-foil hat too?

Did Clinton also kill JFK? :lmao:


Nope, Lindon Johnson was the architect behind that one.

[ViolaLee]

If you think they pulled it off themselves your nuts. Everyone knows Clinton used the FBI, Secret Service, CIA, ATF and IRS like his own personal army. Do I think the Clinton's did it? No, but the ordered it, maybe were in on the planning. It was probably CIA "Wetboys" who did it under Clinton's orders.
Dude! You're believing a whole pile of crap! Read the truth.

http://www.snopes.com/politics/clintons/bodycount.asp

[Elrathin]

NM is entitled to his opinion, but as such we are all entitled to call his theory completely loony. I just bookmarked this thread for the next time some conservative says their side doesn't believe in loony conspiracies.

I just get a kick out conservatives saying that the government couldn't have been behind 9/11 (Which I don't think they were), but then some go off on the loony "Clinton Mafia" conspiracy theory and all of a sudden the government is involved. Gotta love it.

[Deadshot]

Everybody keep Nevada talking..the black helicopters are closing in on him:shock:

[AnnEsthesia]

I hope they send women agents so they can beat the crap out of him for his comments in the other thread.

[nevadamedic]

NM is entitled to his opinion, but as such we are all entitled to call his theory completely loony. I just bookmarked this thread for the next time some conservative says their side doesn't believe in loony conspiracies.

I just get a kick out conservatives saying that the government couldn't have been behind 9/11 (Which I don't think they were), but then some go off on the loony "Clinton Mafia" conspiracy theory and all of a sudden the government is involved. Gotta love it.


Of course we believe in conspiracy theroys, and they really arn't theroy's.

[AnnEsthesia]

Right. Sure. lol

[nevadamedic]

Right. Sure. lol


Thery're not. Clinton's are linked to murders, JFK was killed by our Government and Area 51 does exist.

[AnnEsthesia]

*chuckle* The only ones who think the Clintons used the government to murder people are neocons who need a reason for their hate.

[Elrathin]

Thery're not. Clinton's are linked to murders, JFK was killed by our Government and Area 51 does exist.


Well then, since you seem to think our government is so extensive in conspiracy then I guess you believe the government was behind 9/11 too? I mean, if the government could do all the stuff you claimed, why not 9/11 LOL.

[Buck Laser]

And NM still hasn't responded to the Snopes debunking. If it doesn't fit his dream world, he can just ignore it. How convenient! :nana:

[nevadamedic]

Thery're not. Clinton's are linked to murders, JFK was killed by our Government and Area 51 does exist.


Well then, since you seem to think our government is so extensive in conspiracy then I guess you believe the government was behind 9/11 too? I mean, if the government could do all the stuff you claimed, why not 9/11 LOL.


Nope, it sure didn't.

[Deadshot]

What's so funny is that this is all they've got. A POTUS that's been out of office for over 7 years. That's it.

If you think about it it's really sad.

BTW nevada, you never did compare the killer's Clinton and Bush...

[Stoner]

I personally don't believe the Clintons had all these people killed. It's possible one or two but definitly not all of them.

What blows my mind is the neolibs will say killing 50-60 people is an absurb conspiracy theory but orchestrating 9/11 and killing over 3,000 people is no problem at all.

I will never understand lib logic.

[AnnEsthesia]

And I will never understand how anyone can say our government, esp the blackest parts of it, could never kill 3,000 people in order to gain power and control.

[Deadshot]

I personally don't believe the Clintons had all these people killed. It's possible one or two but definitly not all of them.

What blows my mind is the neolibs will say killing 50-60 people is an absurb conspiracy theory but orchestrating 9/11 and killing over 3,000 people is no problem at all.

I will never understand lib logic.


Well I'm not saying that. All I'm saying is that if one is willing to make claims like nevadamedic and say that Clinton killed 35-60 people, then one can just as easily make the claim that Bush is responsible for the deaths of thousands of Americans in the Iraq War.

No 9-11 conspiracy for me, thanks. My logic is that niether Clinton nor Bush are "murderers", but if you're going to go out on the conspiracy and bullshit limb, let's start calling everything.

[Elrathin]

What blows my mind is the neolibs will say killing 50-60 people is an absurb conspiracy theory but orchestrating 9/11 and killing over 3,000 people is no problem at all.

I will never understand lib logic.


Well if you believe either line, then the government would have to be extensively behind it no matter what the body count. The body count is unimportant if you have the government involvement so high. That is what makes the conspiracies either both plausible or both completely absurd depending on your view.

You can't say that there was no way 9/11 was a government conspiracy but then say absolutely that Clinton had all those people murdered.

And vice versa you can't say 9/11 was a government conspiracy, but the Clinton thing was impossible.

It all depends on your point of view, but if you believe one could happen with that much government involvement then they all could have happened.

[Stoner]

while Bush has been responsible for killing almost 4000 American kids

These are the kinds of statements that make people not take your posts seriously. Once you make off-the-wall neolib comments like this you lose all credibility.

Saying a president is responsible for soldiers who die in war is like saying a teacher is responsible for a kid getting shot in the hallway at school on his way to the principal's office because she's the one that sent him to the principal's office.

The reason DS and other neolibs make outrageous and completely false statements is because they have nothing else. Ever notice that? Watch how many threads there are out there now (and what will surly follow) and pay attention to the lack of facts and evidence neolibs present when they bash Bush.

None. That's how much truth is in their posts. It's all conspiracy theories when libs talk about Bush. They claim he's guilty of all these marvelous and extrordinary conspiracy theories but in the end they have no proof or hard facts. Just lib talking points.

[AnnEsthesia]

Really? The president is not responsible for deaths that happened after he starts a war based on lies? So then ya'll will stop bitching about how Clinton is responsible for the deaths that happened under BUSH's watch, right?

[Deadshot]

while Bush has been responsible for killing almost 4000 American kids

These are the kinds of statements that make people not take your posts seriously. Once you make off-the-wall neolib comments like this you lose all credibility.

Saying a president is responsible for soldiers who die in war is like saying a teacher is responsible for a kid getting shot in the hallway at school on his way to the principal's office because she's the one that sent him to the principal's office.

The reason DS and other neolibs make outrageous and completely false statements is because they have nothing else. Ever notice that? Watch how many threads there are out there now (and what will surly follow) and pay attention to the lack of facts and evidence neolibs present when they bash Bush.

None. That's how much truth is in their posts. It's all conspiracy theories when libs talk about Bush. They claim he's guilty of all these marvelous and extrordinary conspiracy theories but in the end they have no proof or hard facts. Just lib talking points.


But Stoner, as I explained - numerous times, I only made those comments to combat a NeoCon myth about Clinton and his "murders." As you pointed out earlier, it is a myth that Clinton was a mass murderer as others have accussed him of being. I simply pointed out that if we're going to go all out crazy on this crap, Liberals can certainly make a claim against Bush for murder.

[Stoner]

I only made those comments to combat a NeoCon myth about Clinton and his "murders."

Ah, so you lied. Got it.

[Deadshot]

I only made those comments to combat a NeoCon myth about Clinton and his "murders."

Ah, so you lied. Got it.


No. Those people are dead. Those attributed by NeoCons to Clinton and those others attribute to Bush.

I simply stated that if we are to go down the road of blame, and someone wants to make an unprovable comment about Clinton, the same can be made for Bush.

[Stoner]

Do you even know where you stand, DS? You have flip-flopped more than Kerry did during his 04 campaign.

First you say Bush is responsible, then you say he's not, then you say you just said it to prove a point, and now you're saying he is responsible again.

Holy Christ!

Way to take a stand. Stonewall Jackson you are definitly not.

[nevadamedic]

And I will never understand how anyone can say our government, esp the blackest parts of it, could never kill 3,000 people in order to gain power and control.


So your saying that no planes hit the WTC, Pentagon or in that field? :shock: Black ops are good, but even they arn't that good.

[nevadamedic]

I personally don't believe the Clintons had all these people killed. It's possible one or two but definitly not all of them.

What blows my mind is the neolibs will say killing 50-60 people is an absurb conspiracy theory but orchestrating 9/11 and killing over 3,000 people is no problem at all.

I will never understand lib logic.


Well I'm not saying that. All I'm saying is that if one is willing to make claims like nevadamedic and say that Clinton killed 35-60 people, then one can just as easily make the claim that Bush is responsible for the deaths of thousands of Americans in the Iraq War.

No 9-11 conspiracy for me, thanks. My logic is that niether Clinton nor Bush are "murderers", but if you're going to go out on the conspiracy and bullshit limb, let's start calling everything.


One question, would you rather fight the War over here where millions will be killed or over there where a couple of thousand?

[AnnEsthesia]

And I will never understand how anyone can say our government, esp the blackest parts of it, could never kill 3,000 people in order to gain power and control.


So your saying that no planes hit the WTC, Pentagon or in that field? :shock: Black ops are good, but even they arn't that good.


No dear. Where, exactly, did you read me saying the events of the day did not happen?

[AnnEsthesia]

I personally don't believe the Clintons had all these people killed. It's possible one or two but definitly not all of them.

What blows my mind is the neolibs will say killing 50-60 people is an absurb conspiracy theory but orchestrating 9/11 and killing over 3,000 people is no problem at all.

I will never understand lib logic.


Well I'm not saying that. All I'm saying is that if one is willing to make claims like nevadamedic and say that Clinton killed 35-60 people, then one can just as easily make the claim that Bush is responsible for the deaths of thousands of Americans in the Iraq War.

No 9-11 conspiracy for me, thanks. My logic is that niether Clinton nor Bush are "murderers", but if you're going to go out on the conspiracy and bullshit limb, let's start calling everything.


One question, would you rather fight the War over here where millions will be killed or over there where a couple of thousand?


Ah yes, the typical argument. And yet, we all, know that is false, what with the arrests here and there around the world of al qaeda trying to attack us. Clearly keeping them 'there' is working, since they are so weak now... erm... nevermind.

[nevadamedic]

And I will never understand how anyone can say our government, esp the blackest parts of it, could never kill 3,000 people in order to gain power and control.


So your saying that no planes hit the WTC, Pentagon or in that field? :shock: Black ops are good, but even they arn't that good.


No dear. Where, exactly, did you read me saying the events of the day did not happen?


Let's see you Lib's are saying 9/11 was our Governments fault and your fearless leader Rosie O'donnell seems to think it was bombs not planes.

[AnnEsthesia]

And I will never understand how anyone can say our government, esp the blackest parts of it, could never kill 3,000 people in order to gain power and control.


So your saying that no planes hit the WTC, Pentagon or in that field? :shock: Black ops are good, but even they arn't that good.


No dear. Where, exactly, did you read me saying the events of the day did not happen?


Let's see you Lib's are saying 9/11 was our Governments fault and your fearless leader Rosie O'donnell seems to think it was bombs not planes.


How about you actually respond to what I have said, and not respond based on the loop of voices playing in your head. Rosie is not my leader and I never said it was bombs. Are you just unable to read and discuss what I am actually saying?

I also never said it was the government's fault. I said that if you are willing to buy that the government helped Clinton murder people, then you have to accept that the government *could* have been involved in 9/11.

[nevadamedic]

And I will never understand how anyone can say our government, esp the blackest parts of it, could never kill 3,000 people in order to gain power and control.


So your saying that no planes hit the WTC, Pentagon or in that field? :shock: Black ops are good, but even they arn't that good.


No dear. Where, exactly, did you read me saying the events of the day did not happen?


Let's see you Lib's are saying 9/11 was our Governments fault and your fearless leader Rosie O'donnell seems to think it was bombs not planes.


How about you actually respond to what I have said, and not respond based on the loop of voices playing in your head. Rosie is not my leader and I never said it was bombs. Are you just unable to read and discuss what I am actually saying?

I also never said it was the government's fault. I said that if you are willing to buy that the government helped Clinton murder people, then you have to accept that the government *could* have been involved in 9/11.


The only way the Government was involved is by letting these asswads in the country.

[AnnEsthesia]

So therefore you do not believe Clinton had the CIA or any other government group kill people, right?

[nevadamedic]

So therefore you do not believe Clinton had the CIA or any other government group kill people, right?


The hell I don't.

[AnnEsthesia]

And there you have it. You believe the government would willingly hurt people in order to do the bidding of the president, yet you do not believe that people in the black areas of the government would be willing or able to be a part of 9/11. You don't notice a disconnect?

[ViolaLee]

He believes the government would only kill people to help a Democratic president but not a Republican one?

[AnnEsthesia]

Apparently.

[nevadamedic]

September 11th didn't help President Bush.

[ViolaLee]

Really? What were his approval ratings before and after 9/11?

[AnnEsthesia]

Even if Bush was not involved, the black part of the government that thrives on conflict certainly could have been. Look at all the fun they get to have these days and no one would ever say boo, lest the terrorists win.

[Buck Laser]

September 11th didn't help President Bush.


I guess if that's what you think, it explains a whole lot about the other impossible things you believe. Now. What about the Snopes.com debunking of the "Clinton murders?" Still ignoring that?

[Scorpion]

Well this thread completely blew the "Only liberals think of conspiracies" mantra that some have hehe. Yeah, I love how people say Hilary and Bill are two of the most stupid people on Earth, yet NM has them pulling off all these.

What are they, the mafia? LOL


If you think they pulled it off themselves your nuts. Everyone knows Clinton used the FBI, Secret Service, CIA, ATF and IRS like his own personal army. Do I think the Clinton's did it? No, but the ordered it, maybe were in on the planning. It was probably CIA "Wetboys" who did it under Clinton's orders.


Somebody has been watching too many "black Ops, Secret Government" DVDs.

[Scorpion]

Even if Bush was not involved, the black part of the government that thrives on conflict certainly could have been. Look at all the fun they get to have these days and no one would ever say boo, lest the terrorists win.


C'mon Ann. "Black part of the government?" I can't believe that you would buy into this load of nonsense.

[Stoner]

Somebody has been watching too many "black Ops, Secret Government" DVDs.


Actually he got that from 'In the Line of Fire.' Great movie by the way.

[Scorpion]

Somebody has been watching too many "black Ops, Secret Government" DVDs.


Actually he got that from 'In the Line of Fire.' Great movie by the way.


And nothing more then a movie. Although I appreciate the fact that female protective detail SS agents wear black lingere while on duty.

Also, Clint has got to upgrade his botox treatments.

[AnnEsthesia]

Do I believe beyond a shadow of a doubt that there are secret parts of our government perhaps operating outside of known channels and with or without the President's permission? No.

Do I believe it is possible? Yes.

[nevadamedic]

Somebody has been watching too many "black Ops, Secret Government" DVDs.


Actually he got that from 'In the Line of Fire.' Great movie by the way.


Got what from where?

[nevadamedic]

Do I believe beyond a shadow of a doubt that there are secret parts of our government perhaps operating outside of known channels and with or without the President's permission? No.

Do I believe it is possible? Yes.


Oh so yu think that the CIA and NSA are just think tanks? DO you realize that 90% of what they do are black ops.

[Scorpion]

Do I believe beyond a shadow of a doubt that there are secret parts of our government perhaps operating outside of known channels and with or without the President's permission? No.

Do I believe it is possible? Yes.


Ok, operating under the presumption that anything is possible I'll yield to your point. But I don't believe in any of this "Secret Government" business without substantial and verifiable proof.

BTW Ann, saw The Bourne Ultimatum for the fourth time this afternoon. My obsession is done. I'll wait for the DVD to be released.

[AnnEsthesia]

So nevada, do you know about the CIA and NSA?

[nevadamedic]

So nevada, do you know about the CIA and NSA?


I know everything :nana:

[AnnEsthesia]

LOL! *wipes away tears* Thanks, I needed the laugh!

Now, to the subject at hand. If you know about those organizations, then how does that fit this description: Do I believe beyond a shadow of a doubt that there are secret parts of our government perhaps operating outside of known channels and with or without the President's permission?

Think about it. If you, Joe Schmoe, knows about it, it hardly is a 'secret', now is it?

[Questerr]

Do I believe beyond a shadow of a doubt that there are secret parts of our government perhaps operating outside of known channels and with or without the President's permission? No.

Do I believe it is possible? Yes.


Oh so yu think that the CIA and NSA are just think tanks? DO you realize that 90% of what they do are black ops.


Yeah, and 90% of those "black ops" deal with collecting classified information not paramilitary actions. Look back at the times when the CIA was doing alot of paramilitary activities and when the NSA was doing alot of illegal intercepts. There were leaks all over the place. But yet, you believe that they can effectively hide now? In the age of the internet and cell phone cameras?

[nevadamedic]

Do I believe beyond a shadow of a doubt that there are secret parts of our government perhaps operating outside of known channels and with or without the President's permission? No.

Do I believe it is possible? Yes.


Oh so yu think that the CIA and NSA are just think tanks? DO you realize that 90% of what they do are black ops.


Yeah, and 90% of those "black ops" deal with collecting classified information not paramilitary actions. Look back at the times when the CIA was doing alot of paramilitary activities and when the NSA was doing alot of illegal intercepts. There were leaks all over the place. But yet, you believe that they can effectively hide now? In the age of the internet and cell phone cameras?


Yes they can. Their Black Ops are mostly assasinations and things along those lines. I've watched documentaries and other programs on this issue and I've done a lot of reading on this subject.

Although when Jimmy Carter was in office it was mostly running drugs, and if you try to say the CIA wasn't involved in smuggling back then your a liar.

[exigent]

Yes they can. Their Black Ops are mostly assasinations and things along those lines. I've watched documentaries and other programs on this issue and I've done a lot of reading on this subject.


Documentaries eh?
What have you read?

[nevadamedic]

Until outlawed in mid 70s CIA directly involved in assassination attempts against Castro of Cuba, and Congolese leader Lumumba. CIA also encouraged plots that resulted in assassination of Dominican Republic President Trujillo, South Vietnamese president Ngo Dinh Diem in 63 and Chilean Rene Schneider in 73. Most extensive assassination op was Operation Phoenix conducted during latter part of VN war.

Full Story.................
http://www.serendipity.li/cia/operation_phoenix.htm

The CIA School Of Assassination at Fort Bragg
http://ciaschool.tripod.com/

Since the rise of al-Qaeda and similar organizations, who themselves often engage in assassination tactics, both the US administrations of Clinton and Bush have backed assassinations, mostly directed against terrorist leaders like Osama bin Laden, but also against elected political leaders and opponents like Mullah Omar. Most of these attempts were undertaken with remote-controlled missiles and similar tactics, often using remote surveillance for the decision where and when to strike as well. One of the most well-known examples of recent assassinations carried out by the United States was the killing of Abu Musab al-Zarqawi and Sheik Abd-Al-Rahman, both killed as a result of two guided bombs on a safe house outside of Baghdad.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assassinations#Cold_War_and_beyond

On November 5, 2002, newspapers reported that Al-Qaeda operatives in a car travelling through Yemen had been killed by a missile launched from a CIA-controlled Predator drone (a medium-altitude, remote-controlled aircraft). On May 15, 2005, it was reported that another of these drones had been used to assassinate Al-Qaeda figure Haitham al-Yemeni inside Pakistan.

In a briefing held September 15, 2001, George Tenet presented the Worldwide Attack Matrix: A "top-secret" document describing covert CIA anti-terror operations in eighty countries in Asia, the Middle East, and Africa. The actions, underway or being recommended, would range from "routine propaganda to lethal covert action in preparation for military attacks." The plans, if carried out, "would give the CIA the broadest and most lethal authority in its history."[100]

In a trend some find disturbing, many of its former duties and functions are being "outsourced" and "privatized."[

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CIA#Recent_controversies

During the morning of the 17th April 1984 an unarmed policewoman by the name of Yvonne Fletcher was gunned down in cold blood while on duty outside the Libyan People's Bureau in St. James Square, London. British accusations that the Libyan Government was responsible were incorrect. Yvonne Fletcher was assassinated on the direct orders of the American CIA in a coldly calculated 'Psyop' (Psychological Operation) designed to generate intense British hatred against Libya. The operation was a complete success. Two years later when the US used British air bases to launch a vicious bombing attack on Libyan civilians, only a handful of British voices were raised in protest.

http://www.mathaba.net/info/27a.htm

President Bush has given the CIA an explicit go-ahead to carry out covert missions to assassinate Osama bin Laden and his supporters around the world, effectively lifting a 25-year ban on such activities.

http://www.serendipity.li/wot/gow1.htm

Another part of their Black Ops are their classified prisons around the world where the detain and get information out of terrorists. This is how we get a lot of the information on upcoming plots and attacks.

A story by reporter Dana Priest published in The Washington Post of November 2, 2005, reported: "The CIA has been hiding and interrogating some of its most important alleged al Qaeda captives at a Soviet-era compound in Eastern Europe, according to U.S. and foreign officials familiar with the arrangement.

An August 13, 2007 story by Jane Mayer in The New Yorker reports that the CIA has operated "black site" secret prisons by the direct Presidential order of George W. Bush since shortly after 9/11, and that extreme psychological interrogation measures based at least partially on the Vietnam-era Phoenix Program were used on detainees. These included sensory deprivation, sleep deprivation, keeping prisoners naked indefinitely and photographing them naked to degrade and humiliate them, and forcibly administering drugs by suppositories to further break down their dignity.

In December 2005, ABC News reported that former agents claimed the CIA used waterboarding, along with five other "Enhanced Interrogation Techniques", against detainees held in the secret prisons.[87][88] Waterboarding is widely regarded as a form of torture, though there are reports that President Bush signed a secret "finding" that it is not, authorizing its use.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CIA#Recent_controversies

The CIA's black ops are not just to collect information and are in fact mostly paramilitary operations.

[Deadshot]

I find that it helps to play Patsy Cline's "Crazy" in the back ground while reading nevada's posts...:madlaugh:

Here's a video with the song in it, I know it's Spears but, just listen to the song and then read his posts, it fits...http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=28AhgEwUWYw...Crazy

[Buck Laser]

Looks to me like he's abandoned the "Clinton murders" theme. :nana:

[AlonzoMourning23]

I still want to know what to do with Clinton. He had all these people killed, shouldn't he pay the ultimate price?

[Labrocca]

Maybe I should rename the "conspiracy theory" forums to "fools paradise II".

Jeez....I can't even make sense of this thread. Seems there is a fight about who killed who and who would kill who.

The original post was debunked pretty hard. I don't put it past the Clintons to commit murder. I don't put it past our government. I don't put it past Bush. So now what have we proved? That people are willing to kill other people...woo hoo!

[nevadamedic]

Looks to me like he's abandoned the "Clinton murders" theme. :nana:


No I haven't, the Clinton's are linked to more deaths then John Gotti. I will never abandon it. Clinton should have to pay for the Deaths by the Death Penalty if neccessary.

[Elrathin]

the Clinton's are linked to more deaths then John Gotti.


They're linked to those Deaths like Bush is linked to Helping Osama Bin Ladin LOL.

At least this thread is in the right place.

[nevadamedic]

the Clinton's are linked to more deaths then John Gotti.


They're linked to those Deaths like Bush is linked to Helping Osama Bin Ladin LOL.

At least this thread is in the right place.


President Bush helping Osama Bin Laden? What kind of drugs are you on?

[Deadshot]

the Clinton's are linked to more deaths then John Gotti.


They're linked to those Deaths like Bush is linked to Helping Osama Bin Ladin LOL.

At least this thread is in the right place.


President Bush helping Osama Bin Laden? What kind of drugs are you on?


Evidently the same that you are on...though he did use LOL, whereas you're serious.

[nevadamedic]

the Clinton's are linked to more deaths then John Gotti.


They're linked to those Deaths like Bush is linked to Helping Osama Bin Ladin LOL.

At least this thread is in the right place.


President Bush helping Osama Bin Laden? What kind of drugs are you on?


Evidently the same that you are on...though he did use LOL, whereas you're serious.


Yea but I wasn't joking.

[Deadshot]

the Clinton's are linked to more deaths then John Gotti.


They're linked to those Deaths like Bush is linked to Helping Osama Bin Ladin LOL.

At least this thread is in the right place.


President Bush helping Osama Bin Laden? What kind of drugs are you on?


Evidently the same that you are on...though he did use LOL, whereas you're serious.


Yea but I wasn't joking.


That's why your paranoia is so sad...Look out, Bill's behind you!:madlaugh:

[AnnEsthesia]

Bill has something special for Nevada...


http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y142/wackiebell/StripJointL.gif

[Stoner]

It would be fairly easy for Bill Clinton to have one of those people killed and keep it kept quiet. But over 50? That's just ridiculous.

[Elrathin]

President Bush helping Osama Bin Laden? What kind of drugs are you on?


The same ones that obviously you are on to think the Clinton's had all those people murdered. :nana:

[nevadamedic]

It would be fairly easy for Bubba to have one of those people killed and keep it kept quiet. But over 50? That's just ridiculous.


Nope the CIA is good at what they do.

[maineman]

NM...you should be ashamed repeating crap like this.

[Deadshot]

NM...you should be ashamed repeating crap like this.



For many Republicans you can be ashamed of being Gay or being soft on crime or being against the war...but ashamed for lying, nah, too many Republicans have no moral problem with that.:unreal:

[Deadshot]

One other thing here. AnnE and I were PMing about something else and I thought about this thread.

How can Clinton have gotten away with so many murders, yet not be able to hide a blowjob and not come within one vote of getting impeached?

Take a look at nevadamedic's original list of Clintons alleged "murder" victims. Most are high rollers, big mover and shakers. How can someone believe that people can murder millionaires and people with power, but he couldn't have dealt with a chunky intern?

With Monica dead there is no scandal, no impeachment and Clinton stumps for Gore and Gore wins in 2000. Instead Monica lives, almost brings down Clinton, and because of the scandal the Democratic party splinters and Gore loses in 2000.

That's why this thread is so stupid.

[Buck Laser]

the Clinton's are linked to more deaths then John Gotti.


They're linked to those Deaths like Bush is linked to Helping Osama Bin Ladin LOL.

At least this thread is in the right place.


President Bush helping Osama Bin Laden? What kind of drugs are you on?

I have to say that Elrathin is making a hell of a lot more sense than you with your cockamamie conspiracy ideas. Boy, you need some SERIOUS medication. Maybe they should double the thorazine dose.

And Elrathin certainly seems to be right in that Osama has truly prospered under the Bush regime. Every time they capture or kill a big shot in Al Qaeda, a new franchise gets open somewhere in in Iraq. Nevada prolly doesn't realize that there were no Al Qaeda operatives in Iraq until we invaded. Osama's gotta just LOVE Dubya! :clapper:

Meanwhile you keep conveniently forgetting to look at the complete debunking of the "Clinton murders" shit. I guess yer afraid yer balls would fall off if you read it, huh? nudge nudge, wink wink.

[nevadamedic]

One other thing here. AnnE and I were PMing about something else and I thought about this thread.

How can Clinton have gotten away with so many murders, yet not be able to hide a blowjob and not come within one vote of getting impeached?

Take a look at nevadamedic's original list of Clintons alleged "murder" victims. Most are high rollers, big mover and shakers. How can someone believe that people can murder millionaires and people with power, but he couldn't have dealt with a chunky intern?

With Monica dead there is no scandal, no impeachment and Clinton stumps for Gore and Gore wins in 2000. Instead Monica lives, almost brings down Clinton, and because of the scandal the Democratic party splinters and Gore loses in 2000.

That's why this thread is so stupid.


Simple explination, Monica was the intended target but they got it wrong. Read up on the Starbucks murder.

[AlonzoMourning23]

nevada, reading some of the posts you made in this thread I have to wonder, are you really serious about Clinton? I really only read the first couple of pages, and this last one. Maybe I missed something. But, seriously, do you honestly believe this stuff?

[nevadamedic]

nevada, reading some of the posts you made in this thread I have to wonder, are you really serious about Clinton? I really only read the first couple of pages, and this last one. Maybe I missed something. But, seriously, do you honestly believe this stuff?


I honestly believe a couple of them and I have for years. Our country has killed citizens before to protect National Security.

[Deadshot]

One other thing here. AnnE and I were PMing about something else and I thought about this thread.

How can Clinton have gotten away with so many murders, yet not be able to hide a blowjob and not come within one vote of getting impeached?

Take a look at nevadamedic's original list of Clintons alleged "murder" victims. Most are high rollers, big mover and shakers. How can someone believe that people can murder millionaires and people with power, but he couldn't have dealt with a chunky intern?

With Monica dead there is no scandal, no impeachment and Clinton stumps for Gore and Gore wins in 2000. Instead Monica lives, almost brings down Clinton, and because of the scandal the Democratic party splinters and Gore loses in 2000.

That's why this thread is so stupid.


Simple explination, Monica was the intended target but they got it wrong. Read up on the Starbucks murder.


So the CIA and NSA are master hit men and killers, as you have described nevada, but they can't hit Monica. There they make their mistake. Time to call BULLSHIT on your theory.

Beyond the obvious logic that everyone, including the Republicans on this board, see - why not try again after the failure? They covered up the Starbucks killing, you said so nevada. So why not simply try and kill her again? Wouldn't a super killing machine agency like the CIA or NSA have a plan B?

[lily]

Wow........just wow.

[Deadshot]

Wow........just wow.


Why are you suprised? This is just NeoCon bullshit out in the open. People, like nevadamedic, actually believe this shit, yet can't believe that Bush didn't act with the best of intentions during the Iraq war.

Some people just will never accept the logic of a situation.

It's more sad then anything.

Somebody fed nevada this stuff and he'll believe it, but can't see that something else is possibly bad on the Conservative side. sad and scary.

[nevadamedic]

One other thing here. AnnE and I were PMing about something else and I thought about this thread.

How can Clinton have gotten away with so many murders, yet not be able to hide a blowjob and not come within one vote of getting impeached?

Take a look at nevadamedic's original list of Clintons alleged "murder" victims. Most are high rollers, big mover and shakers. How can someone believe that people can murder millionaires and people with power, but he couldn't have dealt with a chunky intern?

With Monica dead there is no scandal, no impeachment and Clinton stumps for Gore and Gore wins in 2000. Instead Monica lives, almost brings down Clinton, and because of the scandal the Democratic party splinters and Gore loses in 2000.

That's why this thread is so stupid.


Simple explination, Monica was the intended target but they got it wrong. Read up on the Starbucks murder.


So the CIA and NSA are master hit men and killers, as you have described nevada, but they can't hit Monica. There they make their mistake. Time to call BULLSHIT on your theory.

Beyond the obvious logic that everyone, including the Republicans on this board, see - why not try again after the failure? They covered up the Starbucks killing, you said so nevada. So why not simply try and kill her again? Wouldn't a super killing machine agency like the CIA or NSA have a plan B?


Ok, let me clarify this for you. Right before the Starbucks killing the White House got word that a staff member with the initial M was going to come forward against the President. By the time that they realized that they messed up Monica was already in the publics eye over this fiasco and would be way to suspicious to send a hitter after her then.

[Elrathin]

Sorry but the whole Clinton "X-FIles" smells like BS in real life, or something someone dreamed up after reading a cloak and dagger book LOL.

[lily]

Why are you suprised? This is just NeoCon bullshit out in the open. People, like nevadamedic, actually believe this shit, yet can't believe that Bush didn't act with the best of intentions during the Iraq war.

Well, for one thing, we are now on page 18 and we're just now getting around to discussing what was not only posted on page one, but also debunked on page one.



Somebody fed nevada this stuff and he'll believe it, but can't see that something else is possibly bad on the Conservative side. sad and scary.

Well.....it's in the proper section and people seem more than willing to discuss...........but I have to admit, I must be out of the conspiracy theories loop............because I've never head of the Starbuck Murder......but hey I like a good game.........I say Bush is hiding Ken Lay on some remote island and he really didn't have a heart attack. After all no one saw the body.

[lily]

Ok, let me clarify this for you. Right before the Starbucks killing the White House got word that a staff member with the initial M was going to come forward against the President. By the time that they realized that they messed up Monica was already in the publics eye over this fiasco and would be way to suspicious to send a hitter after her then.


Like I said, I don't know anything about the Starbuck's Murder, but let me just go by what you are saying.

So some agency got word that someone with the intial M was going to come forward against the president, so these agents went to Starbucks, not knowing who M was, or looked like........then instead of getting information on who to kill, they kill a random person and by the time they found out who they were suppose to kill, Monica was too well known????????

[lawless168]

Well I've had enough of the Bush's & Clinton's why havent you guys?

Time for a new direction