View Full Version : Hillary Clinton says all options on table on Iran
jafar00
09-04-2007, 07:33 AM
This is scary.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L5ulGiPp0LQ
Elrathin
09-04-2007, 12:59 PM
I'm sorry but Hilary Clinton is absolutely right in what she says. No option must be taken off the table in regards to dealing with a threat.
We can debate whether or not Iran is a threat or not, however, it is ALWAYS the U.S. policy to make plans for all the contingencies it can think of.
If Iran does develop nukes, and threatens neighbors with them (or worse actually launches them), then the option to use nuclear weapons would be authorized would it not? Therefore, again, she is correct that no option should be taken off the table at this time.
Just because an option is not taken off the table, does not mean that the option WILL be used.
As a homeowner, is someone breaks into my house, I have the option to shoot and kill them in my defense. That doesn't mean I will do it, but it means I have the option to.
micfranklin
09-04-2007, 03:06 PM
While I agree that we should take action if Iran develops and uses nukes against other countries, by threatening to nuke Iran we'd be in the middle of a huge nuclear war that would likely wipe out countries that are innocent.
Elrathin
09-04-2007, 03:07 PM
While I agree that we should take action if Iran develops and uses nukes against other countries, by threatening to nuke Iran we'd be in the middle of a huge nuclear war that would likely wipe out countries that are innocent.
The whole thing is, at least in this thread, is Hillary DID NOT threaten to nuke Iran.
Truth_and_Power
09-04-2007, 04:02 PM
I can't see the video from here, is it the bit where she's asked about the nuclear option in reference to obama's comments and she says she would take no option off the table? If so perhaps you should fix up the title of this threat jafar in order to not violate the rules you're supposed to enforce.
While I agree that we should take action if Iran develops and uses nukes against other countries, by threatening to nuke Iran we'd be in the middle of a huge nuclear war that would likely wipe out countries that are innocent.
That knowledge is exactly why we haven't had a war like that yet. No country wants to be known as the country whose nukes wiped some uninvolved bystanding country off the map. It's a segment of MAD (mutually assured destruction), a cold war policy, that is rarely discussed but is nevertheless a powerful motivator.
jafar00
09-05-2007, 09:29 AM
I'm sorry but Hilary Clinton is absolutely right in what she says. No option must be taken off the table in regards to dealing with a threat.
We can debate whether or not Iran is a threat or not, however, it is ALWAYS the U.S. policy to make plans for all the contingencies it can think of.
If Iran does develop nukes, and threatens neighbors with them (or worse actually launches them), then the option to use nuclear weapons would be authorized would it not? Therefore, again, she is correct that no option should be taken off the table at this time.
Just because an option is not taken off the table, does not mean that the option WILL be used.
As a homeowner, is someone breaks into my house, I have the option to shoot and kill them in my defense. That doesn't mean I will do it, but it means I have the option to.
The whole idea of threatening to attack Iran over an imaginary threat is somewhat distasteful to me.
The only facts that are known is that Iran has an active Nuclear Power program that is not progressing very fast. There is absolutely no evidence of a Nuclear Weapons program, and they haven't threatened to attack anyone, so why all this bother?
Elrathin
09-05-2007, 12:31 PM
The whole idea of threatening to attack Iran over an imaginary threat is somewhat distasteful to me.
I agree, but nowhere did Hilary threaten to Nuke Iran which is the title of this thread.
jafar00
09-05-2007, 02:23 PM
Her threat is implied since she is pro nuclear weapons.
Truth_and_Power
09-05-2007, 02:43 PM
Her threat is implied since she is pro nuclear weapons.
I think you are reading too much into her statements. If iran nuked us or israel.. well yeah maybe we would. Other than that, I kind of doubt it. She has not said she would.
If you want to talk about implied threats, it would be MUCH easier to read into amadinejad's statements that he intends to nuke israel. I suppose you are equally disapproving of him?
Elrathin
09-05-2007, 03:25 PM
Her threat is implied since she is pro nuclear weapons.
I'm afraid it isn't. Being pro-nuclear weapons is not the same as threatening a country with them. They're not the same thing. You are reading too much into her statement.
Again, the title of this thread is incredibly misleading since she never threatened to actually nuke them.
heyjude
09-06-2007, 01:26 AM
The Bushies have discussed nuking Iran several times and I have heard Republicans discuss it. Cheney wants it done now. Now that scares me.
We have nukes. It is our job to keep them out of the hands of people who are not qualified to be in charge of them. That includes every one who is in charge of them at this moment. I trust Clinton. I do not trust Bush or Cheney.
You know, when you use a threat so many times, it kinda looses it's "scare". I don't think people stop and think what a nuke will actually do, it's just easy to say.
nevadamedic
09-06-2007, 04:35 AM
I'm sorry but Hilary Clinton is absolutely right in what she says. No option must be taken off the table in regards to dealing with a threat.
We can debate whether or not Iran is a threat or not, however, it is ALWAYS the U.S. policy to make plans for all the contingencies it can think of.
If Iran does develop nukes, and threatens neighbors with them (or worse actually launches them), then the option to use nuclear weapons would be authorized would it not? Therefore, again, she is correct that no option should be taken off the table at this time.
Just because an option is not taken off the table, does not mean that the option WILL be used.
As a homeowner, is someone breaks into my house, I have the option to shoot and kill them in my defense. That doesn't mean I will do it, but it means I have the option to.
If Hillary is really threatening this, she is definatly going up in my book, not much but definatly more then she is now. Although she could be talking out her rear, it's hard to believe anything the Clinton's say.
Although she could be talking out her rear, it's hard to believe anything the Clinton's say.
Funny thing. Many people feel the same way about Republicans right now.
Simple fact is she did not say it and nothing has been brought forward to say she did, title to the thread to the contrary.
BoogyMan
09-06-2007, 05:12 AM
As much as it pains me to say this Jafar, Hillary never claimed she was going to nuke anyone in that speech my friend. She actually just pointed out that no option could be taken off the table, which is the appropriate way to approach a nuclear Iran.
Excellent point, Boogy. Any presidential candidate who doesn't say what Hillary said doesn't deserve to be president.
Excellent point, Boogy. Any presidential candidate who doesn't say what Hillary said doesn't deserve to be president.
I would say that any candidate who ignores the pox on our society that is AIPAC, doesn't deserve to be a US citizen.
jafar00
09-06-2007, 08:13 AM
As much as it pains me to say this Jafar, Hillary never claimed she was going to nuke anyone in that speech my friend. She actually just pointed out that no option could be taken off the table, which is the appropriate way to approach a nuclear Iran.
One of the options put forward is the use of nukes. Since it is not withdrawn, she is just as likely to nuke Iran as the rest of the pro war loonies throwing baseless accusations at Iran.
Truth_and_Power
09-06-2007, 01:13 PM
As much as it pains me to say this Jafar, Hillary never claimed she was going to nuke anyone in that speech my friend. She actually just pointed out that no option could be taken off the table, which is the appropriate way to approach a nuclear Iran.
One of the options put forward is the use of nukes. Since it is not withdrawn, she is just as likely to nuke Iran as the rest of the pro war loonies throwing baseless accusations at Iran.
But she did not threaten to do it. Your thread title is clearly misleading.
Elrathin
09-06-2007, 03:19 PM
One of the options put forward is the use of nukes. Since it is not withdrawn, she is just as likely to nuke Iran as the rest of the pro war loonies throwing baseless accusations at Iran.
Again, she did not say "We will nuke Iran if they don't comply". Your thread title says Hilary Clinton threatens to nuke Iran. That is simply not true and intellectually dishonest at best. Sorry, but it is FACT she did not threaten to nuke Iran.
If you want to talk about your interpretation, that's fine, but then it becomes opinion and not fact.
preservanation
09-27-2007, 05:19 AM
The reason she stated that "no options are off the table" is because that is what serious American leaders say.
She's a smart politician and learned at the hem of Monica's dress, from of one of the most charismatic and savvy politician since Reagan, her Hubby.
Let's just hope that more Soros-types like Jaffar get a hold of this.
They might actually believe her and skewer her and try to sink her chances in 08.
There's always Obama.
Truth_and_Power
09-27-2007, 05:17 PM
I guess it's a threat from hillary but not from bush?
preservanation
09-27-2007, 05:51 PM
I guess it's a threat from Hillary but not from bush?
You have to realize that this is all aimed at getting herself elected.
Clinton Inc is well stocked with some of the sharpest political strategic minds in the world.
Hillary wont fart with out huge amounts of time spent on analyzing it through every political angle and prism. Nothing with her campaign is by "accident"
You leftists think you are playing Hillary through Soros and his groups? Ha, she is playing you like a Stradivarius.
Rich!
AnnEsthesia
09-27-2007, 05:53 PM
And so is EVERY OTHER CANDIDATE. I get it... you are fixated on Hillary, but she is no different than any other candidate, democratic or republican.
Truth_and_Power
09-27-2007, 05:53 PM
With your penchant for misquoting and mischaracterizing her, it's no wonder. Don't pretend like the media & the republicans play no part in the evolution of the manicured campaign.
preservanation
09-27-2007, 05:59 PM
I'm sitting here, waiting for the demand to a link which proves that Hillary actually has the ability to fart.[hr]
And so is EVERY OTHER CANDIDATE. I get it... you are fixated on Hillary, but she is no different than any other candidate, democratic or republican.
I Fear The Hillary.
I love my country and she is in the process of taking it away from all of us.
Truth_and_Power
09-27-2007, 06:01 PM
I'm sitting here, waiting for the demand to a link which proves that Hillary actually has the ability to fart.
With any luck you'll hold your breath.
preservanation
09-27-2007, 06:05 PM
I'm sitting here, waiting for the demand to a link which proves that Hillary actually has the ability to fart.
With any luck you'll hold your breath.
Not bad, but hey, I got to go to work.
Have a better one.:love:
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