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ViolaLee
08-31-2007, 06:41 AM
Wow. So anyone think the surge is really working? I mean the insugents have weapons that can fire on planes carrying our elected officials. Iraq is not getting any safer, that's for sure.

U.S. lawmakers' plane fired upon
Onboard: Rep. Bud Cramer; Sens. Mel Martinez, Richard Shelby, James Inhofe

"I saw a shell or something," Shelby says

Flares were deployed to attract rockets away from plane

WASHINGTON (CNN) -- A U.S. military plane with three U.S. senators and a U.S. House member onboard came under rocket fire while leaving Baghdad, Iraq, for Amman, Jordan, Thursday night and had to take evasive maneuvers.

"I was looking out the window, a little small window, and I saw a shell or something," said Republican Senator Richard Shelby of Alabama in a phone interview from Amman, where the plane landed safely. "And then I see a flare. Our plane started maneuvering and changing directions and shaking all around."

The rockets were "near misses," he told CNN affiliate WVTM in Birmingham, Alabama.

The flares were part of the missile avoidance system onboard the C-130 aircraft carrying the Congress members. The flares' heat are used as a countermeasure to attract rockets that have heat-seeking guidance systems.

Onboard with Shelby were Rep. Bud Cramer, an Alabama Democrat; Sens. Mel Martinez, a Florida Republican; and James Inhofe, a Republican from Oklahoma.

"Our plane leaving Iraq was fired upon and it was a close call, but this is something that our men and women in combat face every day," Cramer said in a statement. "The flight crew was outstanding and I credit them for the way they handled the situation."

http://www.cnn.com/2007/POLITICS/08/31/iraq.us/index.html?eref=rss_topstories

PatrickHenry
08-31-2007, 06:44 AM
Well, I am happy we didn't lose any government officials in Mess O Potamia, today.

ViolaLee
08-31-2007, 07:08 AM
Me too. That must have been pretty darn scary. And if they don't come back saying the surge ain't working, I don't know what to think of them. The Iraqis are not going to stop fighting while US troops are occupying their country.

BoogyMan
08-31-2007, 11:37 AM
Someone firing a rocket, which could possibly be shoulder fired, means that the surge isn't working?

Thats a stretch Viola.

Jaaaman
08-31-2007, 11:52 AM
Agreed Boogy. Just because we have not disarmed all of these militants does not mean that some of the objectives of the surge are not being met. Pulling out one example like this and trying to say the 'surge is a failure' is ridiculous.

bobbylien
08-31-2007, 12:52 PM
You just don't get it, securing Baghdad means nothing without political progress. The entire surge is going to be completely worthless unless the politicians get something done. We don't have enough troops to sustain this surge until the Iraqi government gets set.

jafar00
08-31-2007, 03:54 PM
Dang, they missed ;)

Seriously though, how can the surge and everything be going so well as they have been trying to convince everyone, yet insurgents are still able to shoot missiles at aircraft around Baghdad airport?

ViolaLee
08-31-2007, 03:59 PM
The surge was supposed to secure Baghdad. Baghdad is not secure. The surge didn't work.

lily
08-31-2007, 09:28 PM
The surge was supposed to secure Baghdad. Baghdad is not secure. The surge didn't work.



No actually Viola part of the surge was to control Baghdad so that the government could get up and running. Instead we have them on vacation, while Allawai is planning a "coup" with a GOP publishing firm and Malaki telling us to get out and if we don't want to be his "friend" he can find allies elsewhere, while visiting Syria.

Wow. So anyone think the surge is really working? I mean the insugents have weapons that can fire on planes carrying our elected officials. Iraq is not getting any safer, that's for sure.

What do these senators expect? They are in a war zone. Not every delegation going over to Iraq are going to get the 100 soldiers as bodyguards and helecopters flying up ahead, that McCain and CO. recieved.......and those RPG's that fired at their plane could have just as easily fired on the helicopters that were flying overhead with McCain and company.......but yes, I'll agree with you the surge isn't working......but for other reasons. The Iraqi government. Our soldiers are just following orders.

BoogyMan
08-31-2007, 09:46 PM
The surge was supposed to secure Baghdad. Baghdad is not secure. The surge didn't work.


If someone firing a rocket at a plane is all that is required to signal failure, there are MANY countries that must be in an abject state of war right now based on that description Viola. Pakistan and other countries have had such actions happen recently.

quiet man
09-01-2007, 01:36 AM
if securing the oil fields wasn't such a high priority maybe we could have secured some of the rest of the country! might have saved a lot of lives.