law, parental rights and duties

[Athena]

A major concern for all religions and civil laws is the protection of children.Â*Â*Who is responsible for meeting the child's needs?Â*Â*What laws will insure responsible parenting?Â*Â*

To bad the Ten Commandent did not include:
"Thou shalt not have sex until prepared to care for a child".Â*Â*
"Thou shalt not abandon the child who carries your genes".

Those who say abortion should be illegal, do not appear to be thinking about how a child will be care for.Â*Â*When we assumed men supported women and women were home makers who met the needs of the man, the children, extended family members, and community, we were clear about the man's and woman's responsibilty to a child.Â*Â*Today we do not have that clarity, but a lot of self rightous opinions that do not seem to consider who will care for the child.Â*Â*

Those who defend drinking, seem to be thinking only of their own pleasure and not the bigger reality that includes children who are abandoned or raised by unfit parents.Â*Â*

We know children who grow up with bad parenting, or are missing a parent are at risk of doing poorly in school and having social problems.Â*Â*These children are victims, and later these victims, become social burdens.Â*Â*I do not think it just, or even the way to correct to the problem, to punish the victims, especially when so little is done to prevent the evictimization.Â*Â*What are we to do?

[bobbylien]

A major concern for all religions and civil laws is the protection of children. Who is responsible for meeting the child's needs? What laws will insure responsible parenting?

To bad the Ten Commandent did not include:
"Thou shalt not have sex until prepared to care for a child".
"Thou shalt not abandon the child who carries your genes".
Those things are implied by the teachings of the bible.


Those who say abortion should be illegal, do not appear to be thinking about how a child will be care for. When we assumed men supported women and women were home makers who met the needs of the man, the children, extended family members, and community, we were clear about the man's and woman's responsibilty to a child. Today we do not have that clarity, but a lot of self rightous opinions that do not seem to consider who will care for the child.

Thats where you are wrong. I feel deeply for the children affected by the situation. Theres really no great way to solve the problem without hurting somebody. If we could only get hollywood to put money aside and stop glamourizing the alternative lifestyles that cause unwanted pregnancies. The seem to have no problem getting political but refuse to do anything but talk. They don't give a fuck about anybody if they have to do something besides run their mouths. There are exceptions, but my statement is mostly true.


Those who defend drinking, seem to be thinking only of their own pleasure and not the bigger reality that includes children who are abandoned or raised by unfit parents.
I defend the right of people do get wasted and destroy their bodies up to the point where it harms somebody else. I know many people who drink responsibly. I don't and won't ever drink to get drunk though, thats where the problems start.


We know children who grow up with bad parenting, or are missing a parent are at risk of doing poorly in school and having social problems. These children are victims, and later these victims, become social burdens. I do not think it just, or even the way to correct to the problem, to punish the victims, especially when so little is done to prevent the evictimization. What are we to do?

We need to better enforce child protection laws. Our laws are supposed to prevent things like this from happening but we don't give enough funding to our law enforcement agencies.

[Athena]

Athena Wrote:

Those who say abortion should be illegal, do not appear to be thinking about how a child will be care for. When we assumed men supported women and women were home makers who met the needs of the man, the children, extended family members, and community, we were clear about the man's and woman's responsibilty to a child. Today we do not have that clarity, but a lot of self rightous opinions that do not seem to consider who will care for the child.

Thats where you are wrong. I feel deeply for the children affected by the situation. Theres really no great way to solve the problem without hurting somebody. If we could only get hollywood to put money aside and stop glamourizing the alternative lifestyles that cause unwanted pregnancies. The seem to have no problem getting political but refuse to do anything but talk. They don't give a f_ck about anybody if they have to do something besides run their mouths. There are exceptions, but my statement is mostly true.

I am wrong about what? Someone must be responsible for every child's physical, emotional and mental well being. How do you purpose we determine who has this responsibility and the ability to fullfil it?
Seriously we need to reason this through.

[Athena]

Athena Wrote:

A major concern for all religions and civil laws is the protection of children. Who is responsible for meeting the child's needs? What laws will insure responsible parenting?

To bad the Ten Commandent did not include:
"Thou shalt not have sex until prepared to care for a child".
"Thou shalt not abandon the child who carries your genes".

Those things are implied by the teachings of the bible.

For all the people who do not read the bible, can you be more specific?
You see, I base my morality on life, not the bible, so if the bible has something to say about the care of a child, please say it. I only remember a few things the bible says, such as God was testing a man and told him to sacrifice his son to prove himself to God and the father was going to do it.

[Athena]

We need to better enforce child protection laws. Our laws are supposed to prevent things like this from happening but we don't give enough funding to our law enforcement agencies.

A law can not make a person a good parent. Good parents are the result of good parenting. Good parenting is best when the family has economic security and a safe, pleasant home. This is something our society can assure parents, but so far it is unwilling to commit to this.
Until our society takes the well being of the child seriously, abortion needs to be an option. There are somethings worse than death.

[Labrocca]

"Thou shalt not have sex until prepared to care for a child".
"Thou shalt not abandon the child who carries your genes".

How can you say that...then say this?

Those who say abortion should be illegal, do not appear to be thinking about how a child will be care for.

They seem to contradict each other. Not having sex is an excellent rule. And killing the unborn child in the womb is KILLING the child that carries your genes. That's much worse than abandon.

Are you one of those people that feel an unborn child isn't human?

[AlonzoMourning23]

Human has different definitions. There's genetically human and morally human. If something cannot think, feel pain, or have consciousness, and never had those things, it is not a full human in many peoples eyes. The reason that humans think they are special has not been attained yet.

You make it sound like only a fringe group believes that a newly conceived organism is fully human.

[Labrocca]

I don't get what you are driving at Alonzo..sorry.

[Athena]

I don't get what you are driving at Alonzo..sorry.




When there was a high rate of infant death, children weren't accepted as full human beings until around age 8. I would not go that far, but neither do I go to the other extreme of considering all multiply cells as equal to a human being.

Beyond this, is the care of the child who is born. Until we can assure the care of all children, I will be in favor of abortion. Perferably within the first three months. The day after pill is a good idea, because people should not be having children when they can not take care of them, and sometimes in the heat of the moment our judgement isn't the best. Why focus on keeping the potential child alive and not the care of the child? Come on anti abortionist, please, speak of the care of all the lives you want to save, and extend this to the care of human beings who are no longer cute babies. Speak to me of human values.