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Mr. Neocon
08-26-2007, 09:41 AM
The worldwide complaint today is that the U.S. is the overwhelmingly dominant nation, setting the rules and making everyone jump to its command. Those down on America offer a bitter complaint about U.S. triumphalism.

Well, since we Americans are condemned to be pilloried for our success, let us at least take a moment to glory in it. By every measure, the extent of America's dominance astonishes.

Militarily? Militarily, not since the fall of Rome has there been a greater gap between the No. 1 world power and the No. 2. American military spending exceeds that of the next twenty countries combined. Not even the British Empire at its height displayed the superiority shown by American arms today. Our space power (satellites) are unrivaled. Our technology is irresistible.The United States has nuclear and anti-nuclear superiority, the world's overwhelmingly dominant air force, the only truly blue-water navy, and a unique capability to project raw firepower to every corner of the globe. The result is the dominance of a single power unlike anything ever seen in human history.

Economically? The American economy is at the top of the list and almost twice the size of its nearest competitor. We enjoy, almost uniquely, low inflation, low unemployment, record home ownership, and vigorous growth. Put another way, the state of California's economy alone has risen to become the fifth largest in the world (using market exchange-rate estimates), ahead of France and just behind the United Kingdom.

Culturally? Parents the world over vainly fight the tide of T shirts and low-rider jeans, of our rap and rock music and movies, of video and game software pouring out of America and craved by their children. There has been mass culture. But there has never before been mass world culture. Now one is emerging, and it is distinctly American. Why, even the intellectual and commercial boulevard of the future, the Internet, has been set up in our own language and idiom. Everyone speaks American.

Diplomatically? Nothing of significance gets done without us. Consider one of history's rare controlled experiments. In the 1940s, lines were drawn through three peoples--Germans, Koreans and Chinese--one side closely bound to the United States, the other to our adversary Soviet Russia. It turned into a controlled experiment because both states in the divided lands shared a common culture. Fifty years later the results are in. Does anyone doubt the superiority, both moral and material, of West Germany vs. East Germany, South Korea vs. North Korea and Taiwan vs. China. We decide if NATO expands and who gets in. And where we decide not to decide, as in Cambodia and Rawanda, often held up as an example of how the U.N. and regional powers can settle local conflicts without the U.S.--all hell breaks loose.

Just 20 years ago, Paul Kennedy's The Rise and Fall of the Great Powers became an improbable best seller. People did not buy it to learn about the decline of 17th century Spain, however. They bought it to learn about the decline of late-20th century America, the book's heavily promoted topical hook. Indeed, it touched off an intellectual vogue on U.S. decline. The major theme was that Reagan's grandiose revivalism had turned into a grotesque overreaching--wrecking the economy with irresponsible deficits, overstretching us abroad with a mad anticommunism and generally overplaying the weak hand of a country headed downward.

That was then. Where are the decline theorists and defeatist now? In just two decades their hypothesis has suffered one of the most ignominious refutations ever recorded. After Paul Kennedy saw what America did in the Afghan war--a display of fully mobilized, furiously concentrated unipolar power at a distance of 7,000 miles in the "graveyard of empires" he not only recanted, he stood in wonder: Nothing has ever existed like this disparity of power; he wrote, nothing. . . . No other nation comes close. . . . Charlemagnes empire was merely western European in its reach. The Roman empire stretched farther afield, but there was another great empire in Persia, and a larger one in China. There is, therefore, no comparison.

All right then. We all--American triumphalists and worldwide complainers--agree on the premise: The center of world power is an unchallenged superpower; the United States, attended by its Western allies. Why are we American triumphalists right that this is as it should be?

First, there is the question of justice. We deserve it. Having fought and won in the last three world wars--I, II and the cold war--we have a right to claim the spoils. And we have a right to the dominance afforded us by our conquest of the "evil empire," coming as it did after a long twilight struggle that America carried on at high peril and huge cost. NATO and other such groupings made for a wonderful show of burden sharing and risk taking. But in truth, the burdens of the cold war were shared very unevenly. It was Washington and New York City that were threatened in the Cuban missile crisis, not Paris and London. It was 57,000 Americans who died in Vietnam, not Germans or Japanese. It was America that expended the blood and treasure--up to 10% of GNP in military spending--that stood down the Soviet Empire and destroyed the very idea of communism. Dominance? Arrogance? We got there the old-fashioned way. We earned it.

Second, there is the question of prudence: American hegemony is good for the world. Why? The modern world, interconnected as it is today, can exist in only two states: reasonably structured or chaotic. Chaos in the global system means no leader, no rules, nothing but contending powers and universal vulnerability. We have had experience with chaos: it was known as the 1930s. It was a Hobbesian universe that plunged the world into catastrophe.

Today the risks, the stakes are even higher: It is of course banal to say that modern technology has shrunk the world. But the obvious corollary, that in a shrunken world the divide between regional superpowers and great powers is radically narrowed, is rarely drawn. Missiles shrink distance. Nuclear (or chemical or biological) devices multiply power. Both can be bought at market. Consequently the geopolitical map is irrevocably altered. Fifty years ago, Germany--centrally located, highly industrial and heavily populated--could pose a threat to world security and to the other great powers. It was inconceivable that a relatively small Middle Eastern state with an almost entirely imported industrial base could do anything more than threaten its neighbors. The central truth of the coming era is that this is no longer the case: relatively small; peripheral and backward states will be able to emerge rapidly as threats not only to regional, but to world security.

Which is why America, in the "age of terrorism" is orchestrating the global campaign to denying, disarming, and defending against the proliferation of weapons of mass destruction. In a world where the means of mass destruction can be transported in a suitcase, why should we fully entrust our national security, not to mention world security to Kofi Annan and the rest of the U.N. security councel?

The international system must have a structure. And because the international arena, unlike the ordinary national arena, has no cops, no enforcers, no courts with any real power, the structure must be established and maintained by a leading world power. In the 19th century, the high seas were safe and maritime commerce was routine because of the British navy. The U.S. now plays the role of the British navy everywhere. Whom would those chafing under American hegemony prefer instead? China? Iran? The Russian mafia?

The complainers would prefer, naturally, to see power shared equally among the leading nations and the rules arrived at by consensus. How nice. How Utopian. Multipolar systems do not evolve into happy Elks clubs. They break down rudely into rival alliances and coalitions, like the Triple Entente and the Triple Alliance, the Axis and the Allies, the Warsaw Pact and NATO, that gave us the calamities and the terrors of this century.

Tennyson dreamed of a parliament of man. Dream on. The League of Nations and the United Nations have proved utterly ineffective. Why, even the European Union, an unprecedented club of like-minded friendly neighbors, was in disarray over the Iraq issue and the question of war and peace.

Why? Simple. Put great powers with diverging interests together, and consensus is almost always impossible to reach. And if not consensus, what? Which nation will long subordinate its own sovereignty to the majority vote of a bunch of rivals? Hence the best, if imperfect, guarantee of international order and safety: the dominance of a benign power. For now and for the foreseeable future, America is it--and the world knows it.

American dominance is a blessing because it has given the world a Pax Americana, an era of international peace and tranquillity unseen in this century, rarely seen in human history. The Great Powers have been corralled into the American "zone of peace" or, as with China and Russia, engaged and/or contained. Smaller powers do not dare start regional wars; they have seen what happened to Afghanistan and Iraq (twice). What remains are brushfire wars, most of which the U.S. simply will not strain to quell.

But the world does not live by safety alone. American dominance brings the world something more: the American creed. We are a uniquely ideological nation. We do not define ourselves by race or blood but by adherence to a proposition--DEMOCRACY/FREEDOM--a proposition so humane and attractive that it has, independently of American power, won near universal adherence. From Prague's "velvet revolution" to China's "Tiananmen Square", whose Declaration of Independence--whose Statue of Liberty--do demonstrators for freedom turn to for inspiration?

Individual rights, government by consent, protection from arbitrary power, the free exchange of goods and ideas: we did not invent these ideas. We inherited them. We codified them. And now we propagate them.

The world could do alot worse than be dominated by a country so committed to these values and ideas. America came, but it did not come to rule. Unlike other hegemons and would-be hegemons, it does not entertain a grand vision of a new world. No Thousand Year Reich. No New Soviet Man. It has no great desire to remake human nature, to conquer for the extraction of natural resources, or to rule for the simple pleasure of dominion. Our principal aim is to maintain the stability and relative tranquility of the current international system by enforcing, maintaining and extending the current peace.

The new preemption and unilateralism of the Bush doctrine argues explicitly and unashamedly for maintaining unipolarity, for sustaining America's unrivaled superpower dominance for the foreseeable future. It could be a long future, assuming we successfully manage the single greatest threat, namely, weapons of mass destruction in the hands of aggressive rogue or failed states.

This issue is not one of style but of purpose. Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld gave the classic formulation of unilateralism when he said (regarding the Afghan war and the war on terrorism, but the principle is universal), "the mission determines the coalition. We take our friends where we find them, but only in order to help us in accomplishing the mission. The mission comes first, and we decide it."

Contrast this with the classic case study of multilateralism at work: the U.S. decision in February 1991 to conclude the Gulf War. As the Iraqi army was fleeing, the first Bush Administration had to decide its final goal: the liberation of Kuwait or regime change in Iraq. It stopped at Kuwait. Why? Because, as Brent Scowcroft has explained, going further would have fractured the coalition, gone against our promises to allies and violated the UN resolutions under which we were acting. "Had we added occupation of Iraq and removal of Saddam Hussein to those objectives", wrote Scowcroft in the Washington Post on October 16, 2001, "... our Arab allies, refusing to countenance an invasion of an Arab colleague, would have deserted us." The mistake was the coalition defined the mission.

We have learned from our past mistakes, but we still require the aggressive and confident application of unipolar power rather than falling back, as we did in the 1990s, on paralyzing multilateralism. The future of the unipolar era hinges on whether America is governed by those who wish to retain, augment and use unipolarity to advance not just American but global ends, or whether America is governed by those who wish to give it up-either by allowing unipolarity to decay as they pull up the drawbridge to Fortress America, or by passing on the burden by gradually transferring power to multilateral institutions as heirs to American hegemony. The challenge to our unipolarity is not from the outside but from the inside. The choice is ours. To impiously paraphrase Benjamin Franklin: History has given you an empire, if you will keep it. - Dr. Charles Krauthammer

Stoner
08-26-2007, 09:44 AM
Interesting decision for a first post.

Welcome to the boards.

bobbylien
08-26-2007, 09:52 AM
It was 57,000 Americans who died in Vietnam, not Germans or Japanese.
Yes, because the Japanese and Germans weren't stupid enough to put their soldiers in that position.

Mr. Neocon
08-26-2007, 11:19 AM
Interesting decision for a first post.

Welcome to the boards.


I can't tell if you approve or disapprove. . .anyway, thanks for the warm welcome![hr]
It was 57,000 Americans who died in Vietnam, not Germans or Japanese.
Yes, because the Japanese and Germans weren't stupid enough to put their soldiers in that position.


Wrong. The Japanese and Germans were still war weary and still licking their wounds. And what "position" do you speak of? Reading your rebuttal reads like the spread of communism wasn't worth fighting? Is that how you see it?

jafar00
08-26-2007, 12:15 PM
Economically? The American economy is at the top of the list and almost twice the size of its nearest competitor. We enjoy, almost uniquely, low inflation, low unemployment, record home ownership, and vigorous growth.


When was this written? In the last 2 weeks, the Federal Reserve has pumped $124 billion into the ailing Stock Market in a vain attempt to stop a freefall crash. That $124 billion was just created out of thin air and dumped into the market. Money created in this fashion creates inflation. It's interesting to note that the Fed stopped publishing the M3 results a year ago. M3 is an index of levels of money creation. Keeping it hidden, hides the fact that they have the printing presses running a full pelt, churning out new and increasingly worthless paper money. It helps them hide the real level of inflation. Injections of liquidity such as this, can only trigger hyper inflation.

Ok, so unemployment is fairly low at the moment, but that won't last long with the US economy struggling as it is. Most of those jobs are in the low paying service sector anyway. With people no longer buying things on credit and being unable to use rising house prices as an ATM machine, the services sector is set to decline, and many of those jobs will go with it.

Record home ownership? That's already started to collapse as record numbers of home owners default on their mortgages and banks, reeling from the collapse of the subprime lending bubble, stop lending to new purchasers.

The last bit is the best. Vigorous growth? Where? Total spin I'm afraid.


Oh, and welcome to DF :)

Mr. Neocon
08-26-2007, 12:36 PM
I have to confess, I am no economist. But, our stock market is at all time highs, unemployment (and that after we took in 12 million illegal mexicans) is at record lows. There was a huge housing boom these last couple of years, but you are correct, the bubble has burst. But I'm sure it will work itself out. . .Your prediction that the "sky is falling" on our economy is, well,. . .just that, a prediction

Our military expenditures/budget is run on between 4%-5% of the GDP. Being the #1, big daddy, sole superpower on the whole planet at great cost is one thing. Being king sh!t on the cheap is quite another. . .wouldn't you say?

PatrickHenry
08-26-2007, 07:20 PM
Free Hawaii Now...

Uncle Sam is a devourer. His appetite is voracious and he cares only for the wealthy elite. He is inhuman.

jafar00
08-26-2007, 11:04 PM
I have to confess, I am no economist. But, our stock market is at all time highs, unemployment (and that after we took in 12 million illegal mexicans) is at record lows. There was a huge housing boom these last couple of years, but you are correct, the bubble has burst. But I'm sure it will work itself out. . .Your prediction that the "sky is falling" on our economy is, well,. . .just that, a prediction

Our military expenditures/budget is run on between 4%-5% of the GDP. Being the #1, big daddy, sole superpower on the whole planet at great cost is one thing. Being king sh!t on the cheap is quite another. . .wouldn't you say?


You admit you're no economist. I trade the Foreign Exchange market as my fulltime profession. Who's opinion is of greater value? Mine based on Economic data and a general feel of the market that I trade in daily? Or your based on spin, with a blindfold on saying everything is just peachy as it all falls down around you?

I hope you are prepared for the big crash. I give it until the end of September where there will be new highs for the stocks, followed by a loss of around 30% of the market's value by December. And that is my conservative assessment.

Buck Laser
08-26-2007, 11:44 PM
Just a word of advice, Mr. Neocon--when you post someone else's essay here, it's a good idea to provide a direct link to it, as well as posting the essay itself. I know of Krauthammer, but I'd like to be able to check the link so I can see something of the context--especially since K writes for several different publications.

April15
08-27-2007, 01:11 AM
Chuck is an elitist. He makes no pretext to caring about anything or one but the DOLLAR. I dismiss his essay as propaganda. More blathering for the self serving neo-cons.[hr]I post the following as a just for the hell of it rebuttal to superpower.


America No. 1?

America by the numbers

by Michael Ventura

02/03/05 "ICH" - - No concept lies more firmly embedded in our national character than the notion that the USA is "No. 1," "the greatest." Our broadcast media are, in essence, continuous advertisements for the brand name "America Is No. 1." Any office seeker saying otherwise would be committing political suicide. In fact, anyone saying otherwise will be labeled "un-American." We're an "empire," ain't we? Sure we are. An empire without a manufacturing base. An empire that must borrow $2 billion a day from its competitors in order to function. Yet the delusion is ineradicable. We're No. 1. Well...this is the country you really live in:

* The United States is 49th in the world in literacy (the New York Times, Dec. 12, 2004).
* The United States ranked 28th out of 40 countries in mathematical literacy (NYT, Dec. 12, 2004).
* Twenty percent of Americans think the sun orbits the earth. Seventeen percent believe the earth revolves around the sun once a day (The Week, Jan. 7, 2005).
* "The International Adult Literacy Survey...found that Americans with less than nine years of education 'score worse than virtually all of the other countries'" (Jeremy Rifkin's superbly documented book The European Dream: How Europe's Vision of the Future Is Quietly Eclipsing the American Dream, p.78).
* Our workers are so ignorant and lack so many basic skills that American businesses spend $30 billion a year on remedial training (NYT, Dec. 12, 2004). No wonder they relocate elsewhere!
* "The European Union leads the U.S. in...the number of science and engineering graduates; public research and development (R&D) expenditures; and new capital raised" (The European Dream, p.70).
* "Europe surpassed the United States in the mid-1990s as the largest producer of scientific literature" (The European Dream, p.70).
* Nevertheless, Congress cut funds to the National Science Foundation. The agency will issue 1,000 fewer research grants this year (NYT, Dec. 21, 2004).
* Foreign applications to U.S. grad schools declined 28 percent last year. Foreign student enrollment on all levels fell for the first time in three decades, but increased greatly in Europe and China. Last year Chinese grad-school graduates in the U.S. dropped 56 percent, Indians 51 percent, South Koreans 28 percent (NYT, Dec. 21, 2004). We're not the place to be anymore.
* The World Health Organization "ranked the countries of the world in terms of overall health performance, and the U.S. [was]...37th." In the fairness of health care, we're 54th. "The irony is that the United States spends more per capita for health care than any other nation in the world" (The European Dream, pp.79-80). Pay more, get lots, lots less.
* "The U.S. and South Africa are the only two developed countries in the world that do not provide health care for all their citizens" (The European Dream, p.80). Excuse me, but since when is South Africa a "developed" country? Anyway, that's the company we're keeping.
* Lack of health insurance coverage causes 18,000 unnecessary American deaths a year. (That's six times the number of people killed on 9/11.) (NYT, Jan. 12, 2005.)
* "U.S. childhood poverty now ranks 22nd, or second to last, among the developed nations. Only Mexico scores lower" (The European Dream, p.81). Been to Mexico lately? Does it look "developed" to you? Yet it's the only "developed" country to score lower in childhood poverty.
* Twelve million American families--more than 10 percent of all U.S. households--"continue to struggle, and not always successfully, to feed themselves." Families that "had members who actually went hungry at some point last year" numbered 3.9 million (NYT, Nov. 22, 2004).
* The United States is 41st in the world in infant mortality. Cuba scores higher (NYT, Jan. 12, 2005).
* Women are 70 percent more likely to die in childbirth in America than in Europe (NYT, Jan. 12, 2005).
* The leading cause of death of pregnant women in this country is murder (CNN, Dec. 14, 2004).
* "Of the 20 most developed countries in the world, the U.S. was dead last in the growth rate of total compensation to its workforce in the 1980s.... In the 1990s, the U.S. average compensation growth rate grew only slightly, at an annual rate of about 0.1 percent" (The European Dream, p.39). Yet Americans work longer hours per year than any other industrialized country, and get less vacation time.
* "Sixty-one of the 140 biggest companies on the Global Fortune 500 rankings are European, while only 50 are U.S. companies" (The European Dream, p.66). "In a recent survey of the world's 50 best companies, conducted by Global Finance, all but one were European" (The European Dream, p.69).
* "Fourteen of the 20 largest commercial banks in the world today are European.... In the chemical industry, the European company BASF is the world's leader, and three of the top six players are European. In engineering and construction, three of the top five companies are European.... The two others are Japanese. Not a single American engineering and construction company is included among the world's top nine competitors. In food and consumer products, Nestlé and Unilever, two European giants, rank first and second, respectively, in the world. In the food and drugstore retail trade, two European companies...are first and second, and European companies make up five of the top ten. Only four U.S. companies are on the list" (The European Dream, p.68).
* The United States has lost 1.3 million jobs to China in the last decade (CNN, Jan. 12, 2005).
* U.S. employers eliminated 1 million jobs in 2004 (The Week, Jan. 14, 2005).
* Three million six hundred thousand Americans ran out of unemployment insurance last year; 1.8 million--one in five--unemployed workers are jobless for more than six months (NYT, Jan. 9, 2005).
* Japan, China, Taiwan, and South Korea hold 40 percent of our government debt. (That's why we talk nice to them.) "By helping keep mortgage rates from rising, China has come to play an enormous and little-noticed role in sustaining the American housing boom" (NYT, Dec. 4, 2004). Read that twice. We owe our housing boom to China, because they want us to keep buying all that stuff they manufacture.
* Sometime in the next 10 years Brazil will probably pass the U.S. as the world's largest agricultural producer. Brazil is now the world's largest exporter of chickens, orange juice, sugar, coffee, and tobacco. Last year, Brazil passed the U.S. as the world's largest beef producer. (Hear that, you poor deluded cowboys?) As a result, while we bear record trade deficits, Brazil boasts a $30 billion trade surplus (NYT, Dec. 12, 2004).
* As of last June, the U.S. imported more food than it exported (NYT, Dec. 12, 2004).
* Bush: 62,027,582 votes. Kerry: 59,026,003 votes. Number of eligible voters who didn't show up: 79,279,000 (NYT, Dec. 26, 2004). That's more than a third. Way more. If more than a third of Iraqis don't show for their election, no country in the world will think that election legitimate.
* One-third of all U.S. children are born out of wedlock. One-half of all U.S. children will live in a one-parent house (CNN, Dec. 10, 2004).
* "Americans are now spending more money on gambling than on movies, videos, DVDs, music, and books combined" (The European Dream, p.28).
* "Nearly one out of four Americans [believe] that using violence to get what they want is acceptable" (The European Dream, p.32).
* Forty-three percent of Americans think torture is sometimes justified, according to a PEW Poll (Associated Press, Aug. 19, 2004).
* "Nearly 900,000 children were abused or neglected in 2002, the last year for which such data are available" (USA Today, Dec. 21, 2004).
* "The International Association of Chiefs of Police said that cuts by the [Bush] administration in federal aid to local police agencies have left the nation more vulnerable than ever" (USA Today, Nov. 17, 2004).

No. 1? In most important categories we're not even in the Top 10 anymore. Not even close.

The USA is "No. 1" in nothing but weaponry, consumer spending, debt, and delusion.

Reprinted from the Austin Chronicle. www.citypages.com/databank/26/1264/article12985.asp

Mr. Neocon
08-27-2007, 01:50 AM
I have to confess, I am no economist. But, our stock market is at all time highs, unemployment (and that after we took in 12 million illegal mexicans) is at record lows. There was a huge housing boom these last couple of years, but you are correct, the bubble has burst. But I'm sure it will work itself out. . .Your prediction that the "sky is falling" on our economy is, well,. . .just that, a prediction

Our military expenditures/budget is run on between 4%-5% of the GDP. Being the #1, big daddy, sole superpower on the whole planet at great cost is one thing. Being king sh!t on the cheap is quite another. . .wouldn't you say?


ou admit you're no economist. I trade the Foreign Exchange market as my fulltime profession. Who's opinion is of greater value? Mine based on Economic data and a general feel of the market that I trade in daily? Or your based on spin, with a blindfold on saying everything is just peachy as it all falls down around you?

I hope you are prepared for the big crash. I give it until the end of September where there will be new highs for the stocks, followed by a loss of around 30% of the market's value by December. And that is my conservative assessment.


I also trade in stocks. Last year I owned Ryland Homes, (RYL) <---ticker symbol and (HOV) I got out at the start of the new year (thank god) and have owned (you should put all you good clients in these) Nivida, Gamespot, and Activision since (NVDA, GME, ATVI) Whoo Hooo!

Again I am no economist, but I am willing to take that bet (-30% of the markets value last Friday till December 1) $20 bucks sound fair? We can PM each other with home address to send funds to the winner. You down? Hell it's only a 20 and it'll be fun! For me it'll just be 20 less I wager on the Super Bowl. Let me know.

jafar00
08-27-2007, 11:10 AM
I also trade in stocks. Last year I owned Ryland Homes, (RYL) <---ticker symbol and (HOV) I got out at the start of the new year (thank god) and have owned (you should put all you good clients in these) Nivida, Gamespot, and Activision since (NVDA, GME, ATVI) Whoo Hooo!


Good thing you got out when you did. I don't trade stocks myself. You have to keep up with the news too much. Information is everything when stock trading. I much prefer the technical movements of Forex and futures but each to their own I guess. :)


Again I am no economist, but I am willing to take that bet (-30% of the markets value last Friday till December 1) $20 bucks sound fair? We can PM each other with home address to send funds to the winner. You down? Hell it's only a 20 and it'll be fun! For me it'll just be 20 less I wager on the Super Bowl. Let me know.


While a bet would be fun, my religion forbids it. Lets just wait and see who's right. :D

The Patriot's Blade
08-27-2007, 12:21 PM
I have to confess, I am no economist. But, our stock market is at all time highs, unemployment (and that after we took in 12 million illegal mexicans) is at record lows. There was a huge housing boom these last couple of years, but you are correct, the bubble has burst. But I'm sure it will work itself out. . .Your prediction that the "sky is falling" on our economy is, well,. . .just that, a prediction

Our military expenditures/budget is run on between 4%-5% of the GDP. Being the #1, big daddy, sole superpower on the whole planet at great cost is one thing. Being king sh!t on the cheap is quite another. . .wouldn't you say?


Meanwhile back in the real world: Our stock market is shakier than a 3 wheeled cart on a dirt road. (Just had to be bailed out by the fed in case you don't remember.) New home sales are at a 20 year low, existing home sales are at a 4 year low and our military is stretched to it's breaking point. But on the bright side you've still got your health, as long as you aren't one of the 44 million people who can't afford to maintain it.

Mr. Neocon
08-27-2007, 02:43 PM
I have to confess, I am no economist. But, our stock market is at all time highs, unemployment (and that after we took in 12 million illegal mexicans) is at record lows. There was a huge housing boom these last couple of years, but you are correct, the bubble has burst. But I'm sure it will work itself out. . .Your prediction that the "sky is falling" on our economy is, well,. . .just that, a prediction

Our military expenditures/budget is run on between 4%-5% of the GDP. Being the #1, big daddy, sole superpower on the whole planet at great cost is one thing. Being king sh!t on the cheap is quite another. . .wouldn't you say?


Meanwhile back in the real world: Our stock market is shakier than a 3 wheeled cart on a dirt road. (Just had to be bailed out by the fed in case you don't remember.) New home sales are at a 20 year low, existing home sales are at a 4 year low and our military is stretched to it's breaking point. But on the bright side you've still got your health, as long as you aren't one of the 44 million people who can't afford to maintain it.


Our stock market is at all time highs. (Fact) As far as the home sales go, just last year and the year before that, they were at all time highs. The bubble burst. It happens. It's the natural order of things. Nothing endures forever. Our military is stretched. Why? Because we are the worlds police force, plain and simple. We need to re-think our global positioning of our forces. We don't need 2/3rds of the forces we have in S.Korea. S. Korea can more then handle itself against the North. We don't need our troops in Germany anymore. The cold war is over. We should be moving our troops toward the new theater, the new trouble spot, the M.E. . .Just my opinion, but I've been wrong before. As to the 44 million without healthcare, what do you suggest we do about that? The European model perhaps? Trade our military in for free healthcare, free daycare, free elderlycare, a 30 hr workweek, and all the other "government cheese" they enjoy?[hr]While a bet would be fun, my religion forbids it. Lets just wait and see who's right. :D

Fair enough. . .Now if only I had your religion I wouldn't get taken to the cleaners every year come superbowl time![hr]We can discuss our stock market, heathcare, and all the rest of it until the cows come home, but alas, thats not the reason I posted this piece.

The end of the piece begs the reader to answer a simple question: Who should define the hegemons ends? This question, I believe, leads directly to the fundamental question of our national foriegn policy. If the coalition, whether NATO, the wider Western alliance, outfits such as the Gulf War alliance, the UN, or the "international community" define americas mission, we have one vision of America's role in the world. If, on the other hand, "the mission defines the coalition", we have an entirely different vision. Which brings me back to my original question: Who should define americas ends today?

bobbylien
08-27-2007, 04:00 PM
* One-third of all U.S. children are born out of wedlock. One-half of all U.S. children will live in a one-parent house (CNN, Dec. 10, 2004).
* "Americans are now spending more money on gambling than on movies, videos, DVDs, music, and books combined" (The European Dream, p.28).
* "Nearly one out of four Americans [believe] that using violence to get what they want is acceptable" (The European Dream, p.32).
* Forty-three percent of Americans think torture is sometimes justified, according to a PEW Poll (Associated Press, Aug. 19, 2004).
* "Nearly 900,000 children were abused or neglected in 2002, the last year for which such data are available" (USA Today, Dec. 21, 2004).
Its the gays and illegal immigrants! They are the cause of our problems, I say we eliminate both of them, then our problems will just go away.
That first one is pretty funny really... remember... abstinence works! Although I do think its kind of telling that you didn't post our worldwide ranking on that one.

April15
08-27-2007, 04:01 PM
I have to confess, I am no economist. But, our stock market is at all time highs, unemployment (and that after we took in 12 million illegal mexicans) is at record lows. There was a huge housing boom these last couple of years, but you are correct, the bubble has burst. But I'm sure it will work itself out. . .Your prediction that the "sky is falling" on our economy is, well,. . .just that, a prediction

Our military expenditures/budget is run on between 4%-5% of the GDP. Being the #1, big daddy, sole superpower on the whole planet at great cost is one thing. Being king sh!t on the cheap is quite another. . .wouldn't you say?


Meanwhile back in the real world: Our stock market is shakier than a 3 wheeled cart on a dirt road. (Just had to be bailed out by the fed in case you don't remember.) New home sales are at a 20 year low, existing home sales are at a 4 year low and our military is stretched to it's breaking point. But on the bright side you've still got your health, as long as you aren't one of the 44 million people who can't afford to maintain it.

Let's not forget the change in bankruptcy law a few years ago that makes it just about impossible to have debt discharged. Score a big one for corporations ala Bush and congress.

Truth_and_Power
08-27-2007, 04:21 PM
I fully agree that we do not need a bunch of troops on vacation in europe. The beer is great but if EUROPE can't take care of itself, the world is really f**cked and we should just stay home. S. Korea.. I agree some drawdown would be good. Between Japan and China I don't think N.K. will have the balls to pull an all-out invasion.

Personally I'd prefer solar panels to nation-building.

Deadshot
08-27-2007, 05:01 PM
Its the gays and illegal immigrants! They are the cause of our problems, I say we eliminate both of them, then our problems will just go away.
That first one is pretty funny really... remember... abstinence works! Although I do think its kind of telling that you didn't post our worldwide ranking on that one.


What's really funny about this is that you are joking and many Conservatives are serious and will point out the gay "immorality" as causing problems. See they can't hit the one that they really want to, the big immorality, divorce and people having affairs - THAT's what kills familys, not gays.

But to hit the divorce and/or affair button would be to attack many, many Conservatives and all but one, front running, Republican Presidential candidate.:madlaugh:

ECW
08-27-2007, 05:11 PM
For a president who ran for office promising not to be the world's policeman, he sure has done a major flip-flop. But then I could have told you that trusting a neocon to tell you the truth is like telling the Germans not to drink beer anymore. Ain't gonna happen. The acquisition of power is just about all the neocon philosophy is about and that's it. Unfortunately, until we are able to wean ourselves of our reliance on foreign oil we are a house of cards supported by other nations' economies. If we are #1, we are merely better climbers to the top of the heap.

It sorta reminds me of the Lily Tomlin admonition: The trouble with the rat race is that even if you win, you're still a rat. Big whoop.

jafar00
08-27-2007, 06:03 PM
Our stock market is at all time highs. (Fact)


It's only up there today because of a $124 billion injection of fiat cash injected into the market by the FED to bail out some corporations that made some bad decisions (see the US=communist thread I started elsewhere ;))


As far as the home sales go, just last year and the year before that, they were at all time highs. The bubble burst. It happens. It's the natural order of things. Nothing endures forever.


Today's existing home sales 5.72M. -0.2% from the expected figure.
The slowest in 5 years.


Our military is stretched. Why? Because we are the worlds police force, plain and simple. We need to re-think our global positioning of our forces. We don't need 2/3rds of the forces we have in S.Korea. S. Korea can more then handle itself against the North. We don't need our troops in Germany anymore. The cold war is over. We should be moving our troops toward the new theater, the new trouble spot, the M.E. . .Just my opinion, but I've been wrong before.


Or you could simply stop picking fights and building empires.

You have far too many bases scattered about the place in countries with little puppy dog dictators installed who do your bidding when told to. Close some of those down and you'll save a lot.


As to the 44 million without healthcare, what do you suggest we do about that? The European model perhaps? Trade our military in for free healthcare, free daycare, free elderlycare, a 30 hr workweek, and all the other "government cheese" they enjoy?

Sure. I am glad I get free healthcare, free dental, 2 free pairs of eyeglasses and 6 months worth of daily wear contacts free every year.
My children also get free or heavily subsidised healthcare, and yes free preschooling from 3 years old. Would you seriously choose quality of life over boasting about having the biggest army?


Fair enough. . .Now if only I had your religion I wouldn't get taken to the cleaners every year come superbowl time!

Go to your local Mosque, and sit and talk with people. Then you will know if it is for you or not :)
If you do away with gambling, you can just go and enjoy the game right? :P


Which brings me back to my original question: Who should define americas ends today?


A little thing that starts with "We the people"?

davo
10-06-2007, 08:33 PM
If America is so great for defeating communism (which I agree, I'm a Paleocon) why are they now advancing the foreign policy of Leon Trotsky?

JohnnyAwake
10-08-2007, 06:01 AM
If America is so great for defeating communism (which I agree, I'm a Paleocon) why are they now advancing the foreign policy of Leon Trotsky?


Good assertion. I thought you guys were extinct. Yea the "permanent revolution" I thought was what characterized our distaste and foreign policy against Communism. I call it a modern day manifest destiny of political ideology. We couldn't have any countries being isolationists; it'd hurt our global interactive economy. Look what we did to most of South America along with Iran in the 50's. And we used the facade of Trotskyism as the compelling reasons. Ha! Like I have always said we need to have a second critical realignment.

moses2792796
10-16-2007, 11:03 AM
LOL at the OP, great example of intelligent people completely missing the astoundingly obvious...

JohnnyAwake
10-17-2007, 10:35 PM
LOL at the OP, great example of intelligent people completely missing the astoundingly obvious...


And what is the 'astoundingly obvious' again (I'm unintellgient according to Zeus)?

I Like Beer
10-18-2007, 02:31 AM
Second, there is the question of prudence: American hegemony is good for the world. Why? The modern world, interconnected as it is today, can exist in only two states: reasonably structured or chaotic. Chaos in the global system means no leader, no rules, nothing but contending powers and universal vulnerability. We have had experience with chaos: it was known as the 1930s. It was a Hobbesian universe that plunged the world into catastrophe.

This would assume, would it not, an American leadership that is benevolent and not given to taking hegemony to outright imperialism? With more power being given to the President - we are having far too much power concentrated within the hands of very few.

The complainers would prefer, naturally, to see power shared equally among the leading nations and the rules arrived at by consensus. How nice. How Utopian. Multipolar systems do not evolve into happy Elks clubs. They break down rudely into rival alliances and coalitions, like the Triple Entente and the Triple Alliance, the Axis and the Allies, the Warsaw Pact and NATO, that gave us the calamities and the terrors of this century.

And, how does the old quote go? The one about absolute power?

Why? Simple. Put great powers with diverging interests together, and consensus is almost always impossible to reach. And if not consensus, what? Which nation will long subordinate its own sovereignty to the majority vote of a bunch of rivals? Hence the best, if imperfect, guarantee of international order and safety: the dominance of a benign power. For now and for the foreseeable future, America is it--and the world knows it.

Benign? You argue that an administration that goes to war with another country over (at best) circumspect evidence is benign? I suppose you'd have us believe they did it b/c Saddam was a brutal dictator.

American dominance is a blessing because it has given the world a Pax Americana, an era of international peace and tranquillity unseen in this century, rarely seen in human history. What remains are brushfire wars, most of which the U.S. simply will not strain to quell.

I'm sure the people in Darfur take great comfort in these words.

But the world does not live by safety alone. American dominance brings the world something more: the American creed. We are a uniquely ideological nation. We do not define ourselves by race or blood but by adherence to a proposition--DEMOCRACY/FREEDOM--a proposition so humane and attractive that it has, independently of American power, won near universal adherence. From Prague's "velvet revolution" to China's "Tiananmen Square", whose Declaration of Independence--whose Statue of Liberty--do demonstrators for freedom turn to for inspiration?

Hmmm.... This is probably the statement I have the MOST problems with. If this is true, why has the US so often moved against DEMOCRATICALLY elected governments when it has served its purposes? I can point to Mossadeq in Iran or Allende in Chile. See, history doesn't really back up these points about the US being a great lover of DEMOCRACY around the world - quite the opposite. It has appeared to be motived by self interest.

It could be a long future, assuming we successfully manage the single greatest threat, namely, weapons of mass destruction in the hands of aggressive rogue or failed states.

This issue is not one of style but of purpose. Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld gave the classic formulation of unilateralism when he said (regarding the Afghan war and the war on terrorism, but the principle is universal), "the mission determines the coalition. We take our friends where we find them, but only in order to help us in accomplishing the mission. The mission comes first, and we decide it."

Are you SURE the greatest threat is WMDs in the hands of rogue states and not a US President who suffers with the delusion of being another Alexander or Hitler - especially with all the power now concentrated in that office? Already, Rumsfeld's quote makes me uneasy, "we decide it". He's already saying, the hell with the rest of the world. Since I'm outside the US, I don't see this as particularly encouraging.

moses2792796
10-18-2007, 10:21 AM
LOL at the OP, great example of intelligent people completely missing the astoundingly obvious...


And what is the 'astoundingly obvious' again (I'm unintellgient according to Zeus)?


I wasn't refering to you obviously, I was talking about how people seem to believe that if everyone just does what they say, politically, everything will be fine, but treating symptoms doesn't work with fatal diseases.