Democratic Debates

[Deadshot]

They're on right now, what do you think?

[NortheastCynic]

I can't find it, what channel, Deadshot?

-NC

[red states rule]

good cure for insomina for sure

[Deadshot]

ABC

[red states rule]

will the ratings be lower then the last Dem debate?

[moses2792796]

Always constructive to debate about method. Who cares about what is actually being done as long as we have some good old fashioned politics to worry about. If we distract ourselves from the real world for long enough you never know, it must just...disappear...hopefully.

[red states rule]

I do hope the Dems say once again what they are for

Higher taxes, government run health care, surrender in Iraq, more spending, and new government handout programs

[nevadamedic]

will the ratings be lower then the last Dem debate?


C'mon man it doesn't always have to be attacks. Sure they dance around a lot of questions and you don't get to hear from anyone other then Clinton, Obama and Edwards when I want to hear from Senator Dodd, but it is still a part of our future like it or not and is worth watching.[hr]
They're on right now, what do you think?


I can't find it................. Is it still on? If not will there be a replay?

[red states rule]

will the ratings be lower then the last Dem debate?


C'mon man it doesn't always have to be attacks. Sure they dance around a lot of questions and you don't get to hear from anyone other then Clinton, Obama and Edwards when I want to hear from Senator Dodd, but it is still a part of our future like it or not and is worth watching.[hr]
They're on right now, what do you think?


I can't find it................. Is it still on? If not will there be a replay?




Why? If you are that bored go watch your dog take a shit in the yard, it would be more interesting

[Deadshot]

ABC, channel 9 in the Kansas City area.

RSR, your Red is showing again...

[red states rule]

Again I hope the Dems talk about their left wing agenda. It will help Republicans alot

[Deadshot]

The Dems' won in '06, we'll win again. Fear will only go so far.

[red states rule]

If a majority of voters want higher taxes, surrender to terrorists, government run health care, and more social programs - Dems will win

I do not see it happening

[Deadshot]

If a majority of voters want higher taxes, surrender to terrorists, government run health care, and more social programs - Dems will win

I do not see it happening


We'll see. If people want to live in fear, have their taxes spent on war and not domestically and want sickness to bankrupt them we'll get the Republicans. Something I don't see happening.

[red states rule]

Yes, reminding people of terrorists is now called fear by libs

Once again, even with tax cuts, the government is taking in record levels of revenue and the annual budget is nearly $3 trillion

[manyfeathers]

Kucinich has a career in comedy for certain! His comedic timing is right on.

I'm leaning closer and closer to the hairdo - Edwards. I like his common sense approach, his commitment to undo lobbyists and not take their bribes. His desire to completely do away with nuclear arsenals. Liked his position on education as well.

Biden should find another venue.

I thought the debate went pretty well and everybody got a chance to speak, of course the frontrunner's had more to say and held the microphone for the greater duration.

Richardson has to be the biggest liar on the podium - no way he is going anywhere except back to his welfare state of New Mexico.

Hillary - if she picks up Al Gore as her VP - maybe.

Obama - the fresh faced guy. Nice style, but not sure of the substance. VP material - maybe with Edwards.

That's what I think.

[red states rule]

This is the real comedy


Barack Obama Accuses Rivals of Taking Advantage of His Comments
Sunday, August 19, 2007

DES MOINES, Iowa — Democrat Barack Obama on Sunday tried to portray his relative lack of national experience as a positive, chiding rivals for "conventional thinking" that led to war and divided the nation.

In the latest Democratic debate, the candidates critiqued the first-term senator for recent comments on Pakistan and a willingness to meet with foreign leaders — including North Korea's head of state — without conditions.

"To prepare for this debate I rode in the bumper cars at the state fair," Obama said to laughter and applause from the audience at Drake University.

The debate capped an intense week of politicking in Iowa, an early voting state in the process of picking a nominee. The Iowa State Fair is a magnet for White House hopefuls each presidential election. This year was no exception, especially for Democrats who swept into the state after a GOP straw poll last week.

Sen. Christopher Dodd, D-Conn., directly addressing a question about Obama's relative inexperience, said: "You're not going to have time in January of '09 to get ready for this job." Dodd has served in Congress for more than 30 years.


"It effectively limits your options," Edwards said, drawing agreement from one rival, New Mexico Gov. Bill Richardson.

Obama said he could handle the rigors of international diplomacy and noted that many in the race, including Dodd and Edwards and Sens. Hillary Rodham Clinton and Joe Biden, voted to authorize the Iraq war in 2002.

"Nobody had more experience than Donald Rumsfeld and Dick Cheney and many of the people on this stage that authorized this war," Obama said. "And it indicates how we get into trouble when we engage in the sort of conventional thinking that has become the habit in Washington."

The debate, hosted and broadcast nationally by ABC, took place less than five months before Iowa caucus-goers begin the process of selecting the parties' presidential nominees. The debate moderator was "This Week" host George Stephanopoulos, a former aide in the Clinton White House.

Touching on his recent criticism of Clinton as a divisive figure, Obama portrayed himself as the candidate who "can bring the country together around a common purpose and rally us around a common destiny."

Clinton, a target of criticism from outgoing Bush counselor Karl Rove, said Rove is "obsessed with me." She presented a different view of politics than Obama did, arguing that negative campaigning is inevitable no matter who is nominated.

The New York senator and former first lady said no one will escape the "Republican attack machine." She added, "I know how to beat them."

Clinton said she and Obama, an Illinois senator, disagreed over how to conduct international relations with leaders who have been foes of the United States. Obama said at an earlier debate that he would have no qualms about sitting down with leaders of renegade nations such as Cuba, North Korea and Iran.

"I do not think that a president should give away the bargaining chip of a personal meeting with any leader unless you know what you are going to get out of that," Clinton said.

Obama also has said he would send U.S. troops into Pakistan if the president, Gen. Pervez Musharraf, failed to act on specific intelligence about terrorists. The U.S. intelligence director has said he thinks Sept. 11 mastermind Usama bin Liden is living in the border region of Pakistan, and Musharraf's attempt to broker a political solution with tribes had backfired by giving Al Qaeda room to regroup.

Biden sidestepped criticism of Obama and blamed the Bush administration for failing to work with moderates in Pakistan, a country he called "potentially the most dangerous country in the world.

"We don't have a Pakistan policy. We have a Musharraf policy," he said.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,293732,00.html

[Deadshot]

Read the source, FAUX news and you'll know all you need too.

[red states rule]

so you are saying Obama did NOT make those comments?

[Deadshot]

I'm saying that you are quoting out of context. Since it's FAUX News I'm not suprised.

[red states rule]

Oh so now he said it - would you care to enlighten us how it was "taken out of context"?

[BoogyMan]

Deadshot, this is beneath you don't you think? That story posted by RSR is printed on the Fox News website as written by the AP. So show me what part the AP took out of context?

[red states rule]

From what I have seen, there is nothing beneath him

[nevadamedic]

Kucinich has a career in comedy for certain! His comedic timing is right on.

I'm leaning closer and closer to the hairdo - Edwards. I like his common sense approach, his commitment to undo lobbyists and not take their bribes. His desire to completely do away with nuclear arsenals. Liked his position on education as well.

Biden should find another venue.

I thought the debate went pretty well and everybody got a chance to speak, of course the frontrunner's had more to say and held the microphone for the greater duration.

Richardson has to be the biggest liar on the podium - no way he is going anywhere except back to his welfare state of New Mexico.

Hillary - if she picks up Al Gore as her VP - maybe.

Obama - the fresh faced guy. Nice style, but not sure of the substance. VP material - maybe with Edwards.

That's what I think.


Edwards I did like until he DID take bribes from lobbiest and lobbied for things that are a conflict of interest to him. Edwards is trouble. The only one on the Democratic ticket worth anything is Senator Dodd, he is the only honest and fair one on the ticket.

[Buck Laser]

Edwards I did like until he DID take bribes from lobbiest and lobbied for things that are a conflict of interest to him. Edwards is trouble. The only one on the Democratic ticket worth anything is Senator Dodd, he is the only honest and fair one on the ticket.

Have you got a link for this story about Edwards taking money from a lobbyist?

[quiet man]

maybe we go about this whole candidate debate thing all wrong or way to early. the debate has way too many faces to give each one a chance to get his/her points across to the people. weren't we about 10 minutes in before kucinich or dodd were involved? do they really have a chance? the voters have said they want change so we all better get ready cause it's gonna be a bumpy ride!

[red states rule]

This is another example of Pretty Boy talking out of both sides of his mouth


John Edwards linked to losses of homes

Once again, John Edwards' money is getting in the way of his message. His Democratic presidential campaign spent Friday responding to a front-page Wall Street Journal report showing that a company that Edwards worked for and has invested $16 million in, Fortress Investment Group, owns mortgage companies that have sought to foreclose on homeowners in hurricane-ravaged New Orleans. The newspaper identified 34 homes that are the subject of foreclosure suits.

Edwards, who made a fortune as a trial lawyer, worked for Fortress from late 2005 through 2006. Campaign finance reports show its employees and family members have contributed heavily to his campaign.

Edwards, a former U.S. senator who makes his home in Orange County, told The Journal that he would personally provide financial help to New Orleans residents who have lost their homes to Fortress-affiliated businesses.

He also said that he would pull out any investments he had that profited from those homeowners' losses.

"I will not have my family's money invested in these firms," Edwards said.

His staff said he was on the campaign trail in Iowa on Friday and unavailable for comment.

A campaign spokesman, Eric Schultz, released a statement that said Edwards would take responsibility for those hit with foreclosures, but it provided no details as to what Edwards planned to do.

"He's taking responsibility, because for him that is the meaning of leadership," Schultz said.

Edwards has sought to be identified on the campaign trail as a champion of the poor and the working class. At many campaign stops, including New Orleans, he has criticized predatory lenders for taking advantage of people who can ill afford it.

It's that contrast between his public message and his financial dealings that continues to dog his campaign.

Money and trouble

Over the past several months, he has had to respond to reports about $400 haircuts, a $6 million estate he built last year, and a nonprofit he created and pitched as an anti-poverty organization that benefited his campaign.

His attacks on conservative media mogul Rupert Murdoch led to the disclosure earlier this month in one of Murdoch's newspapers of a $900,000 book deal Edwards struck with a Murdoch-owned publisher. Edwards' campaign said he is donating the proceeds from the 2006 book "Home: The Blueprints of Our Lives" to charity.

Andrew Taylor, a political science professor at N.C. State University, said issues like the expensive haircuts or palatial home are peripheral compared to the war in Iraq or the nation's health-care crisis, but they hurt Edwards more because of his populist message.

"It really shows you're on the other side of the message," Taylor said. "It says you're one of the other guys -- the rich guys."

The problem lenders

The Fortress-affiliated companies that made the home loans -- Green Tree Servicing and Nationstar Mortgage -- are known as subprime lenders. These are companies that will make home loans to people with credit problems, though the borrowers are likely to pay higher costs.

Some of these subprime lenders have been labeled predatory by critics, because the lenders offer high-interest mortgages that often include additional fees, and penalties for early payoffs. The Journal reported that the two lenders fit that profile.

Lenders have faced heat for foreclosing on homes in areas damaged by Hurricane Katrina. Some mortgage companies have cut homeowners slack as they try to get back on their feet.

Edwards' financial ties to subprime lenders first surfaced in a Washington Post article in May. The newspaper reported that Green Tree threatened foreclosure of a 67-year-old woman whose home had been flooded out.

Edwards told The Post then that he had asked Fortress to find Katrina victims foreclosed on by Green Tree and to help them.

"I said, 'This is not O.K. that this is happening,' " Edwards said in the report. "I don't know how many cases there are ... but the right thing is to go back and fix this."

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1883099/posts

[Deadshot]

From what I have seen, there is nothing beneath him


At least I have a life. Three hundred posts in less then a day!!! I don't think you can judge me.

Boogy, you are right. I looked at the messenger not the message.

[red states rule]

and all I do to gain the love and tolerance of liberals is to post the truth about them

[Deadshot]

and all I do to gain the love and tolerance of liberals is to post the truth about them


:lmao: Nah, you don't have a life...so you come here to do some hating and mass posting. I don't think any Liberals need to worry about you...:nana:

[red states rule]

and I notice you are ignoring Pretty Boy Edwards and his link to a company that he is invested in, have sought to foreclose on homeowners in New Orleans.

[manyfeathers]

"I said, 'This is not O.K. that this is happening,' " Edwards said in the report. "I don't know how many cases there are ... but the right thing is to go back and fix this."

RSR - do you read your own posts? The man says what the 'right' thing to do is. ???

Yep - Edwards is rich and so are the others. But Edwards is putting himself out there as a man of the people, which by the way, he is. One who now has a lot of money and is enjoying it. What's the problem? Did you think that if Lincoln had not been assassinated that he would have retired to a log cabin? Not hardly.

Kennedy - put himself out there as a family man! He was our last great president, but even Kennedy was getting a blow job off MM.

You can't be two things at the same time? Is that your premise?

Multi-dimensional people are everywhere - look in the mirror, maybe you'll see one.

We can all hope.....:peace:

[red states rule]

Yea, I bet Pretty Boy thinks about the poor as he sits in his 30,000 sq ft mansion, getting his $400 haircuts, and making millions from hedge funds

He is a typical liberal hypocrite. As long as he says he cares about something, libs fall over him. Nevermind he does nothing to solve the problem - all he has to say is that he cares

[manyfeathers]

Yea, I bet Pretty Boy thinks about the poor as he sits in his 30,000 sq ft mansion, getting his $400 haircuts, and making millions from hedge funds

He is a typical liberal hypocrite. As long as he says he cares about something, libs fall over him. Nevermind he does nothing to solve the problem - all he has to say is that he cares


Sounds just like little George doesn't it?

I suppose it is only a matter of time before you start hollering about Bill Clinton's BJ, and how he lied to the Federal Court, blah blah blah. You sound just like most of the other narrow-minded hard case conservatives on every other board.

This thread is about the democratic debate that was on ABC, this morning. Anything intelligent to say?

Do you think that just because someone has a big mansion and prize winning hair, that they can't have empathy with the poor? Didn't Edwards come from a poor background? New money people remember their roots. And what if he seems introspective before an appearance, he's getting his thoughts organized.

Not only is he erudite, but is so, after losing a son and soon his beloved Elizabeth. That takes more guts than most men have, IMO.