Dems Worry That Hillary Could Hurt Party

[red states rule]

This is one reason why I hope Dems will go with Hillary


WASHINGTON (AP) — Looking past the presidential nomination fight, Democratic leaders quietly fret that Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton at the top of their 2008 ticket could hurt candidates at the bottom.

They say the former first lady may be too polarizing for much of the country. She could jeopardize the party's standing with independent voters and give Republicans who otherwise might stay home on Election Day a reason to vote, they worry.

In more than 40 interviews, Democratic candidates, consultants and party chairs from every region pointed to internal polls that give Clinton strikingly high unfavorable ratings in places with key congressional and state races.

"I'm not sure it would be fatal in Indiana, but she would be a drag" on many candidates, said Democratic state Rep. Dave Crooks of Washington, Ind.

Unlike Crooks, most Democratic leaders agreed to talk frankly about Clinton's political coattails only if they remained anonymous, fearing reprisals from the New York senator's campaign. They all expressed admiration for Clinton, and some said they would publicly support her fierce fight for the nomination — despite privately held fears.

The chairman of a Midwest state party called Clinton a nightmare for congressional and state legislative candidates.

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/

[nevadamedic]

This is one reason why I hope Dems will go with Hillary


WASHINGTON (AP) — Looking past the presidential nomination fight, Democratic leaders quietly fret that Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton at the top of their 2008 ticket could hurt candidates at the bottom.

They say the former first lady may be too polarizing for much of the country. She could jeopardize the party's standing with independent voters and give Republicans who otherwise might stay home on Election Day a reason to vote, they worry.

In more than 40 interviews, Democratic candidates, consultants and party chairs from every region pointed to internal polls that give Clinton strikingly high unfavorable ratings in places with key congressional and state races.

"I'm not sure it would be fatal in Indiana, but she would be a drag" on many candidates, said Democratic state Rep. Dave Crooks of Washington, Ind.

Unlike Crooks, most Democratic leaders agreed to talk frankly about Clinton's political coattails only if they remained anonymous, fearing reprisals from the New York senator's campaign. They all expressed admiration for Clinton, and some said they would publicly support her fierce fight for the nomination — despite privately held fears.

The chairman of a Midwest state party called Clinton a nightmare for congressional and state legislative candidates.

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/


Asswad you stole that from me on DP

[red states rule]

Just sharing what other Dems think of the Red Queen

[heyjude]

Hmmmm. So someone found 40 Democrats who had concerns about Clinton. Well, I am one of the 'others' that everyone is so concerned about. And I did not like Clinton at all. But once I actually listened to what she had to say, and I was very impressed. It startled me. I won't say I like the woman, but I could vote for her today, and a few weeks ago I wouldn't have.

All the Republicans are offering is more Bush. Some of their canidates are worse than Bush is. I'll bet you didn't think that was possible. People haven't started listening to the politicians yet. It is way to early, except for political junkies. When they do start listening, many more people may be amazed, happy, sad, or pissed off as hell at what is out there.

[preservanation]

What's funny is that the more Hillary sounds like Bush, the more support she gets from moderates.
This is weird

[Elrathin]

The fear is growing with Republicans. Please by all mean put up Ron Paul LOL.

[Buck Laser]

What's funny is that the more Hillary sounds like Bush, the more support she gets from moderates.
This is weird

Funny you should say this at the very time you're telling us Clinton is a socialist! :madlaugh:

[preservanation]

She will lie to get elected then start installing her socialist, left wing, totalitarian agenda.
By then it will be too late.

[Elrathin]

She will lie to get elected then start installing her socialist, left wing, totalitarian agenda.
By then it will be too late.


What is she lying about right now?

[ViolaLee]

We're not afraid of Hillary. I'd prefer some new blood....but the first woman President will be a great celebration!

[Elrathin]

She will lie to get elected then start installing her socialist, left wing, totalitarian agenda.
By then it will be too late.


Totalitarian agenda? Gimme a break preservation, that is about as bad as saying Bush is a dictator don't ya think. Look up totalitarian and then get back with me on that one. There is no way for her to do such a thing and you know it. Doom and Gloom, Doom and Gloom.

[preservanation]

Liberalism is totalitarian at it's core.Dictionary.com Unabridged (v 1.1) -
to·tal·i·tar·i·an /toʊˌtælɪˈtɛəriən/ Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation[toh-tal-i-tair-ee-uhn] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation
–adjective 1. of or pertaining to a centralized government that does not tolerate parties of differing opinion and that exercises dictatorial control over many aspects of life.
2. exercising control over the freedom, will, or thought of others; authoritarian; autocratic. Add fear of force or threat of personal destruction, and you can include "fascist".

[micfranklin]

I'm not worried about Clinton lying at the moment, I'm more worried about her installing socialist policies should she take office.

[AnnEsthesia]

Frankly, this just sounds like the opposite side of the: If you do not vote Republican, the terrorists will attack us! argument.

[Buck Laser]

She will lie to get elected then start installing her socialist, left wing, totalitarian agenda.
By then it will be too late.

And how exactly do you have this hidden knowledge?

[ViolaLee]

Frankly, this just sounds like the opposite side of the: If you do not vote Republican, the terrorists will attack us! argument.
They're desperate. They know Americans are sick and tired of Republicans right now and Democrats are going to win the election easily. They'll try anything. It's going to get ugly. You've heard about the wild animal trapped in the corner?

[Elrathin]

Liberalism is totalitarian at it's core.Dictionary.com Unabridged (v 1.1) -
to·tal·i·tar·i·an /toʊˌtælɪˈtɛəriən/ Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation[toh-tal-i-tair-ee-uhn] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation
–adjective 1. of or pertaining to a centralized government that does not tolerate parties of differing opinion and that exercises dictatorial control over many aspects of life.
2. exercising control over the freedom, will, or thought of others; authoritarian; autocratic. Add fear of force or threat of personal destruction, and you can include "fascist".


Yeah because Liberals are saying you aren't allowed to disagree. :rolleyes:

[preservanation]

Exactly.
Look how they (elected Dems) threaten investigations and silencing of their political rivals, PRIVATE CITIZENS.
You could be next.
Wake up.
Shocking.

[Pogo]

Frankly, this just sounds like the opposite side of the: If you do not vote Republican, the terrorists will attack us! argument.
They're desperate. They know Americans are sick and tired of Republicans right now and Democrats are going to win the election easily. They'll try anything. It's going to get ugly. You've heard about the wild animal trapped in the corner?

I think Americans are sick and tired of all politicians, Viola, and for good reason. The Dems would be well advised to keep that in mind.[hr]
Liberalism is totalitarian at it's core.Dictionary.com Unabridged (v 1.1) -
to·tal·i·tar·i·an /toʊˌtælɪˈtɛəriən/ Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation[toh-tal-i-tair-ee-uhn] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation
–adjective 1. of or pertaining to a centralized government that does not tolerate parties of differing opinion and that exercises dictatorial control over many aspects of life.
2. exercising control over the freedom, will, or thought of others; authoritarian; autocratic. Add fear of force or threat of personal destruction, and you can include "fascist".


Sounds an awful lot like the Repubs. Guess you've never heard of the Patriot Act.

[preservanation]

You mean the one the Dems voted for?
That Patriot Act?
Yeah, that one.

[Pogo]

You mean the one the Dems voted for?
That Patriot Act?
Yeah, that one.

Yup, that one -- the one that *both* the Repubs and Dems voted for.

Doesn't really look like you have much of a problem with totalitarianism, now does it?

[Elrathin]

Exactly.
Look how they (elected Dems) threaten investigations and silencing of their political rivals, PRIVATE CITIZENS.
You could be next.
Wake up.
Shocking.


E X A G G E R A T I O N Big time. As for silencing, isn't that what you guys wanted to do with the NYT and Moveon.org?

[preservanation]

No, El.
Who said that?[hr]

Sounds an awful lot like the Repubs. Guess you've never heard of the Patriot Act.
Then why are you constantly referencing Republicans in your critisism when both parties voted for it?

Bias.

How is the Patriot Act unconstitutional?

I had a much bigger problem with the Dept of Homeland security because it piled another layer of bureaucracy on our already bloated Gov.
For an example of how well it works...look at FEMA, the dems argued to include the agency into the DHS and now the libs complain it is ineffective and inefficient.
Go figger.
Why you libs have so much faith in the fed gov while complaining bitterly about it's failings, is beyond me.
Now you want to give over our health care system to the same people.
Make up your minds.

[Elrathin]

No, El.
Who said that?[hr][quote=Pogo]


And who said they wanted to silence republicans? Noone.

If there is any totalitarian regime, it is closer to the Bush administration than what Hillary would provide and I am not even saying that Bush is totalitarian.

Come on, you have to admit saying that her presidency would be a totalitarian regime is going over board. She isn't silencing ANYONE.[hr]
Why you libs have so much faith in the fed gov while complaining bitterly about it's failings, is beyond me.
Now you want to give over our health care system to the same people.
Make up your minds.


What I find amusing is that conservatives call for smaller government yet they applaud Bush when he has increased the size of our government. How about you guys make up YOUR minds.

You trust the government to defend us, but you don't trust the government with health care. Make up your mind.

[preservanation]

What I find amusing is that conservatives call for smaller government yet they applaud Bush when he has increased the size of our government. How about you guys make up YOUR minds.
I did not applaud Bush for that.
Stop putting words in my mouth
You trust the government to defend us, but you don't trust the government with health care. Make up your mind. Yes!!!!
One is in the constitution, the other is not.
You still have a lot to learn about me, El.

[Elrathin]

One is in the constitution, the other is not.
You still have a lot to learn about me, El.


So because its in the constitution that makes the government trust worthy to do that? You lost me.

Again, you TRUST the government to defend us, but not to provide health care. Why not? What makes the government TRUSTWORTHY to be able to handle the military but not health care?

[preservanation]

Originalist here.
Health care is not included in "The Common Defence"
Sorry.

[Elrathin]

Originalist here.
Health care is not included in "The Common Defence"
Sorry.


That still doesn't explain why you TRUST the government to defend us, but not to provide health care. So if its in the constitution, that automatically means that the government is trustworthy to do it? That makes no sense to me sorry.

[preservanation]

I don't trust the Gov.
But without defence...we have nothing.
Including the best health care on the planet.
If we socialize our health care we would do a great disservice to the rest of the world, especially Canada.
Where would they go to get their health care?

[Elrathin]

And having the greatest health care on the planet does no good for people who can't afford it.

[preservanation]

Who is being denied health care in this country, including people without citizenship?
To my understanding, none.
Just last week I talked to a 24 year old guy who joked with me that he could afford health insurance, but why pay?
No one would refuse him care and he never paid when he went.
In his words, "what are they going to do"?
Yes, it's anecdotal but so are the examples from the left...and mine isn't contrived!
Ah, the "poor, poor" uninsured in this nation. *sob*
Hah.
Those numbers are way overblown and misrepresented in order to further Hillary's socialist agenda.
Alinsky would be very proud

[preservanation]

The hard cold truth for the Dems is that they don't have a choice.
Hillary is steamrolling the nomination process and probably embarking on smear campaign against her Dem rivals and slyly blaming it on "The vast right wing conspiracy". Very sneaky.
Dishonest?
Of course...but it's Hillary Clinton for crying out loud.
What do you expect.

The question to Dems who might not want her as their nominee is...
"How do you like being aced out of the process, doesn't your vote count?"
It won't if the DNC and Hillary Inc. has their way.
They are already planning to deny any funds to Dem candidates for campaigning in Fla and Mich. This would de facto grant Hillary the delegates in those states while denying the democratic process which you hold so dear.
if I were in your shoes I would be outraged.