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red states rule
08-18-2007, 07:27 PM
This is from the liberal rag "The Nation". Dems are not liked by their own kook base



How the Democrats Blew It in Only 8 Months
[from the August 27, 2007 issue]

Led by Democrats since the start of this year, Congress now has a "confidence" rating of 14 percent, the lowest since Gallup started asking the question in 1973 and five points lower than Republicans scored last year.

The voters put the Democrats in to end the war, and it's escalating. The Democrats voted the money for the surge and the money for the next $459.6 billion military budget. Their latest achievement was to provide enough votes in support of Bush to legalize warrantless wiretapping for "foreign suspects whose communications pass through the United States." Enough Democrats joined Republicans to make this a 227-183 victory for Bush. The Democrats control the House. Speaker Nancy Pelosi could have stopped the bill in its tracks if she'd wanted to. But she didn't. The Democrats' game is to go along with the White House agenda while stirring up dust storms to blind the base to their failure to bring the troops home or restore constitutional government.

The row over the US Attorneys and the conduct of Attorney General Alberto Gonzales has always been something of a typhoon in a teaspoon. The Democrats love it, since they imagine it portrays them to the public as resolute guardians of the impartial administration of justice, a concept whose credibility most Americans sensibly deride. The Democrats now plan to track Gonzales's firing of the US Attorneys back to that comic opera villain of the Bush era, Karl Rove, another great provoker of dust storms.

The one Democrat acting on principle in the Gonzales affair has been Senator Russ Feingold. He at least tried to dig into the visit of chief White House counsel Gonzales, as he then was, to the bedside of Attorney General John Ashcroft, to get him to sign off on the illegal wiretaps. And how did the Democrat-controlled Congress deal with Feingold's efforts to nail Gonzales for his efforts to undermine the Constitution and for his prevarications under oath? It promptly legalized the eavesdropping.

Just as the Democrats work tirelessly to demonstrate to the voters that it makes zero difference which party controls Congress, the political establishment forces all candidates for the presidential nomination to sever any compromising ties to sanity and common sense.

Right now they're hosing down Barack Obama because he said in the YouTube debate in South Carolina that he would be prepared to meet with Kim Jong Il, Hugo Chávez, Mahmoud Ahmadinejad and Fidel Castro to hash over problems face to face. The pundits whacked him for demonstrating "inexperience." Experienced leaders order the CIA to murder such men.

Then Obama drew even fiercer fire by saying he would take nukes off the table in the war on terrorism in Afghanistan and Pakistan. "I think it would be a profound mistake for us to use nuclear weapons in any circumstance," Obama told the AP on August 2, adding, after a pause, "involving civilians." Then he quickly said, "Let me scratch that. There's been no discussion of nuclear weapons. That's not on the table."

I'm beginning to respect this man. He displays sagacity well beyond the norm for candidates seeking the Oval Office. He comprehends, if only in mid-sentence, that when you drop a nuclear bomb, it will kill civilians. He also realizes that strafing Waziristan with thermonuclear devices in the hopes of nailing Osama bin Laden is a foolish way to proceed.

So Obama is being flayed for his "inexperience," first and foremost by Hillary Clinton, who permits no table setting that does not include a couple of nuclear weapons next to the sugar bowl. To recoup, Obama has declared his readiness as Commander in Chief to order US forces to hotly pursue Osama into Pakistan, whatever the government of Pakistan might think of this onslaught on its sovereignty.

Has the left the capacity to influence the conduct of the Democrats? In terms of substantive achievement the answer thus far has been no. People didn't like it when I wrote here a month ago that the antiwar movement was at a low ebb. They invoke the polls showing that 70 percent of Americans want the troops to come home. This is presumptuous, like a barking dog claiming it made the moon go down. It didn't take an antiwar movement to make the people antiwar. People looked at the casualty figures and the newspaper headlines and drew the obvious conclusion that the war is a bust. Their attention is already shifting to the economic crisis: housing meltdown, car sales meltdown, credit crisis, threats from the Chinese to destroy the dollar. What war?

The left is as easily distracted, currently by the phantasm of impeachment. Why all this clamor to launch a proceeding surely destined to fail, aimed at a duo who will be out of the White House in sixteen months? Pursue them for war crimes after they've stepped down. Mount an international campaign of the sort that has Henry Kissinger worrying at airports that there might be a lawyer with a writ standing next to the man with the limo sign. Right now the impeachment campaign is a distraction from the war and the paramount importance of ending it.

For sure, there are actions around the country: Quakers and Unitarians picketing outside shopping centers, campus vigils, resolutions by city councils and so forth. It's all pretty quiet, in a conflict that has now--as my brother Patrick recently pointed out--gone on longer than the First World War. At the liberal blogger convention, Yearly Kos, held the first weekend in August, the organizers nixed any serious strategy session on the war. John Stauber of PR Watch had to force an impromptu (and very successful) session with leaders of the Iraq Veterans Against the War.

A war people hate, Gitmo, Bush's police-state executive orders of July 17--the Democrats have signed the White House dance card on all of them. And guess what? Just as their poll numbers are going down, Bush's are going up, by five points in Gallup from early July. People are beginning to think the surge is working, courtesy of the New York Times. So are we better or worse off since the Democrats won back Congress?

http://www.thenation.com/docprint.mhtml?i=20070827&s=cockburn

nevadamedic
08-18-2007, 07:29 PM
This is from the liberal rag "The Nation". Dems are not liked by their own kook base



How the Democrats Blew It in Only 8 Months
[from the August 27, 2007 issue]

Led by Democrats since the start of this year, Congress now has a "confidence" rating of 14 percent, the lowest since Gallup started asking the question in 1973 and five points lower than Republicans scored last year.

The voters put the Democrats in to end the war, and it's escalating. The Democrats voted the money for the surge and the money for the next $459.6 billion military budget. Their latest achievement was to provide enough votes in support of Bush to legalize warrantless wiretapping for "foreign suspects whose communications pass through the United States." Enough Democrats joined Republicans to make this a 227-183 victory for Bush. The Democrats control the House. Speaker Nancy Pelosi could have stopped the bill in its tracks if she'd wanted to. But she didn't. The Democrats' game is to go along with the White House agenda while stirring up dust storms to blind the base to their failure to bring the troops home or restore constitutional government.

The row over the US Attorneys and the conduct of Attorney General Alberto Gonzales has always been something of a typhoon in a teaspoon. The Democrats love it, since they imagine it portrays them to the public as resolute guardians of the impartial administration of justice, a concept whose credibility most Americans sensibly deride. The Democrats now plan to track Gonzales's firing of the US Attorneys back to that comic opera villain of the Bush era, Karl Rove, another great provoker of dust storms.

The one Democrat acting on principle in the Gonzales affair has been Senator Russ Feingold. He at least tried to dig into the visit of chief White House counsel Gonzales, as he then was, to the bedside of Attorney General John Ashcroft, to get him to sign off on the illegal wiretaps. And how did the Democrat-controlled Congress deal with Feingold's efforts to nail Gonzales for his efforts to undermine the Constitution and for his prevarications under oath? It promptly legalized the eavesdropping.

Just as the Democrats work tirelessly to demonstrate to the voters that it makes zero difference which party controls Congress, the political establishment forces all candidates for the presidential nomination to sever any compromising ties to sanity and common sense.

Right now they're hosing down Barack Obama because he said in the YouTube debate in South Carolina that he would be prepared to meet with Kim Jong Il, Hugo Chávez, Mahmoud Ahmadinejad and Fidel Castro to hash over problems face to face. The pundits whacked him for demonstrating "inexperience." Experienced leaders order the CIA to murder such men.

Then Obama drew even fiercer fire by saying he would take nukes off the table in the war on terrorism in Afghanistan and Pakistan. "I think it would be a profound mistake for us to use nuclear weapons in any circumstance," Obama told the AP on August 2, adding, after a pause, "involving civilians." Then he quickly said, "Let me scratch that. There's been no discussion of nuclear weapons. That's not on the table."

I'm beginning to respect this man. He displays sagacity well beyond the norm for candidates seeking the Oval Office. He comprehends, if only in mid-sentence, that when you drop a nuclear bomb, it will kill civilians. He also realizes that strafing Waziristan with thermonuclear devices in the hopes of nailing Osama bin Laden is a foolish way to proceed.

So Obama is being flayed for his "inexperience," first and foremost by Hillary Clinton, who permits no table setting that does not include a couple of nuclear weapons next to the sugar bowl. To recoup, Obama has declared his readiness as Commander in Chief to order US forces to hotly pursue Osama into Pakistan, whatever the government of Pakistan might think of this onslaught on its sovereignty.

Has the left the capacity to influence the conduct of the Democrats? In terms of substantive achievement the answer thus far has been no. People didn't like it when I wrote here a month ago that the antiwar movement was at a low ebb. They invoke the polls showing that 70 percent of Americans want the troops to come home. This is presumptuous, like a barking dog claiming it made the moon go down. It didn't take an antiwar movement to make the people antiwar. People looked at the casualty figures and the newspaper headlines and drew the obvious conclusion that the war is a bust. Their attention is already shifting to the economic crisis: housing meltdown, car sales meltdown, credit crisis, threats from the Chinese to destroy the dollar. What war?

The left is as easily distracted, currently by the phantasm of impeachment. Why all this clamor to launch a proceeding surely destined to fail, aimed at a duo who will be out of the White House in sixteen months? Pursue them for war crimes after they've stepped down. Mount an international campaign of the sort that has Henry Kissinger worrying at airports that there might be a lawyer with a writ standing next to the man with the limo sign. Right now the impeachment campaign is a distraction from the war and the paramount importance of ending it.

For sure, there are actions around the country: Quakers and Unitarians picketing outside shopping centers, campus vigils, resolutions by city councils and so forth. It's all pretty quiet, in a conflict that has now--as my brother Patrick recently pointed out--gone on longer than the First World War. At the liberal blogger convention, Yearly Kos, held the first weekend in August, the organizers nixed any serious strategy session on the war. John Stauber of PR Watch had to force an impromptu (and very successful) session with leaders of the Iraq Veterans Against the War.

A war people hate, Gitmo, Bush's police-state executive orders of July 17--the Democrats have signed the White House dance card on all of them. And guess what? Just as their poll numbers are going down, Bush's are going up, by five points in Gallup from early July. People are beginning to think the surge is working, courtesy of the New York Times. So are we better or worse off since the Democrats won back Congress?

http://www.thenation.com/docprint.mhtml?i=20070827&s=cockburn


Everytime I see you put that headline up I keep thinking it reffers to Bill Clinton's affairs while in office. :madlaugh:

red states rule
08-18-2007, 07:30 PM
That, and these other actions by Dems
Funny how the liberal media ignores these type of stories that goes against the Dems, and shows what they are really doing while in power


'King Corruption' Reigns
By Robert Novak

WASHINGTON -- Republicans returning to the House floor on Friday morning Aug. 3 after their walkout the night before were surprised to find as presiding officer the Democrat they call "King Corruption": Rep. John Murtha of Pennsylvania, master of earmarks and backroom deals.

Rep. Ed Pastor, a 64-year-old eight-term Democrat from Phoenix, Ariz., who is affable and well-liked by Republicans, had been scheduled to preside. But Speaker Nancy Pelosi, fearing parliamentary tricks by Republicans, put her muscleman Murtha in the chair.

Murtha's performance as non-partisan presiding officer ran true to form. On a voice vote, Murtha ruled for Democrats when obviously more Republicans were on the House floor. He subsequently ordered a roll call vote, though members rising in support clearly fell short of the 44 required. After that ruling was challenged, Murtha declared: "The chair's decision is not subject to question."

HILLARY'S LEAD

Democratic insiders who are not neutral in the presidential race do not take seriously the USA Today/Gallup poll of Democratic voters showing Sen. Hillary Clinton 23 percentage points ahead of Sen. Barack Obama. They contend national surveys are meaningless because outcomes of the early state contests are still critical.

State polls show a virtual three-way tie among Clinton, Obama and former Sen. John Edwards in Iowa's early caucuses. Clinton has only a narrow lead over Obama in New Hampshire's opening primary. Obama has moved slightly ahead in the latest survey for South Carolina, the next primary state.

A footnote: Mitt Romney collects only 6 percent in the USA Today/Gallup national poll of Republicans but leads in Iowa and New Hampshire.

DISSENTER DIANNE

The Senate Judiciary Committee unexpectedly sent to the Senate floor the judicial nomination of former Mississippi Court of Appeals Judge Leslie Southwick, thanks to a defection by Democratic Sen. Dianne Feinstein of California that blindsided Judiciary Chairman Patrick Leahy.

The homosexual rights coalition has targeted for defeat President Bush's nomination of Southwick to the 5th Circuit Court of Appeals (Texas, Louisiana and Mississippi). Leahy called for an immediate committee vote on Aug. 2, expecting that the nomination would be killed. According to Senate sources, Republican Whip Trent Lott appealed to Feinstein on grounds that the Republican-controlled Senate had confirmed President Bill Clinton's judicial nomination of California liberal Richard Paez. Feinstein's vote provided a 10 to 9 edge for Southwick.

A footnote: This dissent adds to liberal displeasure with Feinstein, who voted for extension of the Patriot Act and supported authority for federal eavesdropping of suspected terrorists without court warrants.

READING ABOUT RAHM

Rep. Tom Cole of Oklahoma, heading Republican efforts to take back the House in 2008, has advised his staffers at the National Republican Congressional Committee to read an account of how the Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee, under the chairmanship of Rep. Rahm Emanuel of Illinois, won the 2006 elections.

The book recommended by Cole is "The Thumpin': How Rahm Emanuel and the Democrats Learned to Be Ruthless and Ended the Republican Revolution" by Naftali Bendavid.

Cole told me he believes Republican operatives should read Bendavid's book because it "shows the Democrats were lucky to win" despite their mistakes. At a point of low Republican morale, Cole thinks the book demonstrates Democrats are not 10-feet tall.

YOUTH FROM PEORIA

Aaron Schock, a conservative 26-year-old Illinois state legislator, is privately boosted by national Republican operatives as their choice in a contested GOP primary next year to replace retiring seven-term Rep. Ray LaHood from the Peoria, Ill., district.

Schock would represent a rightward shift in the centrist representation of the solidly Republican district by LaHood for 14 years and by his old boss, former House Minority Leader Bob Michel, for the preceding 38 years.

Michel spent 20 years in the House Republican leadership, but LaHood's ambitions to become a leader were frustrated by the post-Michel Republican caucus. LaHood considered but abandoned a run for governor of Illinois in 2006.

Copyright 2007 Creators Syndicate Inc.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2007/08/king_corruption_reigns.html

Drocket
08-18-2007, 09:04 PM
Yep, the public is unhappy that the Democrats aren't doing enough to stop the Republicans. That sounds like a good reason to vote for the Republicans the public wants to stop for me!

red states rule
08-18-2007, 09:07 PM
Dems have broken nearly every promise they made to the voters. The voters are seeing they were lied to and played for fools by the Dems

PatrickHenry
08-18-2007, 09:32 PM
Partisan Republicans are so passé...

red states rule
08-18-2007, 09:34 PM
and libs have a severe phobia to the truth and facts

AnnEsthesia
08-18-2007, 09:36 PM
*rofl* And the republicans are truth-tellers? Have you even looked at Washington lately?

red states rule
08-18-2007, 09:39 PM
I have seen where the Dems have lied and broken nearly every promise they made to get elected, and lied about why they broke them

PatrickHenry
08-18-2007, 09:39 PM
Red Staters don't even have the insight to use proper terms to describe their foes.

Heh. Libs...

It just looks so childish...

red states rule
08-18-2007, 09:42 PM
I find the terms appeasers, cut and runners, kook libs, and moonbats to fit the description very well

nevadamedic
08-18-2007, 10:32 PM
Atleast we dont keep electing a murderer from a known family of bootleggiersand rackerteers(which he participated in).

red states rule
08-18-2007, 10:34 PM
Who would that be? Last I checked, Ted (hic) kennedy was still in offfice?

nevadamedic
08-18-2007, 10:35 PM
Who would that be? Last I checked, Ted (hic) kennedy was still in offfice?


Like I said they keep electing him. Everytime they do it is a slap in the face to the poor girl who he murdered's family.

red states rule
08-18-2007, 10:36 PM
Sorry, you posted "at least we don't" - I thought that was who you were talking about

nevadamedic
08-18-2007, 10:50 PM
Sorry, you posted "at least we don't" - I thought that was who you were talking about


No, Republicans don't. Typically the criminals are in the Democratic Party though................

red states rule
08-18-2007, 10:52 PM
We are talking about the same people that keeps electing John "I served in Viet Nam" Kerry

nevadamedic
08-18-2007, 10:56 PM
We are talking about the same people that keeps electing John "I served in Viet Nam" Kerry


And are pushing to rewrite the law not allowing Felons to vote to make it to where they can vote, go figure. Jeb Bush has been fighting that on in Florida for years.

red states rule
08-18-2007, 10:57 PM
Well with felons being able to vote, would increase the Dem base

Red Dragon
08-19-2007, 12:04 AM
Yeah it only goes to show that both parties have lost touch with the American people, in the years to come hopefully this will allow one of the larger third parties to gain power. That is if the American public actually gets involved in the political system and gets off that crazy one-dimensional political spectrum.

red states rule
08-19-2007, 12:11 AM
Dems have lost touch if they think voters are for higher taxes, surrender to terrorists, and more spending and pork

nevadamedic
08-19-2007, 12:28 AM
Yeah it only goes to show that both parties have lost touch with the American people, in the years to come hopefully this will allow one of the larger third parties to gain power. That is if the American public actually gets involved in the political system and gets off that crazy one-dimensional political spectrum.


Actually the Independant and Libertarian Parties are getting bigger now due to all the BS that is going on.

Red Dragon
08-19-2007, 12:49 AM
Yeah it only goes to show that both parties have lost touch with the American people, in the years to come hopefully this will allow one of the larger third parties to gain power. That is if the American public actually gets involved in the political system and gets off that crazy one-dimensional political spectrum.


Actually the Independant and Libertarian Parties are getting bigger now due to all the BS that is going on.


Yeah but the growth is rather small seeing as the elections are overwhelmingly dominated by the two major parties that typically capture more than 95% of the vote in partisan elections. Also that and there is no single objective, agreed-upon standard to compare the size of third parties, so I'm going to have to remain sceptical.

red states rule
08-19-2007, 10:27 AM
Now if one of those parties would find a decent candidate maybe things would become interesting

Stoner
08-19-2007, 10:34 AM
Now if one of those parties would find a decent candidate maybe things would become interesting


Neolibs fail in elections because their campaigns are always the same...Run on hate and bash the current POTUS/Republicans. They can't offer any ideas because the ones they do have are awful. So instead they flip-flop around the real issues and when asked a direct question they dive right into neolib talking points complete with name-calling and other childish behavior.

ECW
08-19-2007, 10:36 AM
Stealing elections has nothing to do with Bush's "victories" in the neocon world, I see. No problem. Joe Stalin would be proud.

Stoner
08-19-2007, 10:51 AM
Stealing elections has nothing to do with Bush's "victories" in the neocon world

Proof?

/me waits for ECW to whip out something from moveon.org, Kos or some other neolib website.

red states rule
08-19-2007, 11:18 AM
Amazing how libs see things. When Dems lose, their egos prevent them from admitting the voters rejected their liberalism

When they lost in 2000, 2002, and 2004 - the elections had to be stolen, or the voters were to stupid to understand the issues

But in 2006, the election was fair and the voters voiced their opinions

Liberal logic makes a figure eight look like a straight line