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Uncle
08-17-2007, 04:20 PM
Source: http://www.webofdebt.com/articles/bankrupt-germany.php

THINKING OUTSIDE THE BOX:
HOW A BANKRUPT GERMANY SOLVED ITS
INFRASTRUCTURE PROBLEMS

Ellen Brown, August 9th, 2007
http://www.webofdebt.com/articles/bankrupt-germany.php

"We were not foolish enough to try to make a currency [backed by] gold of which we had none, but for every mark that was issued we required the equivalent of a mark's worth of work done or goods produced. . . .we laugh at the time our national financiers held the view that the value of a currency is regulated by the gold and securities lying in the vaults of a state bank."
- Adolf Hitler, quoted in "Hitler's Monetary System," www.rense.com, citing C. C. Veith,

Citadels of Chaos (Meador, 1949)
Guernsey wasn't the only government to solve its infrastructure problems by issuing its own money. (See E. Brown, "Waking Up on a Minnesota Bridge," www.webofdebt.com/articles/infrastructure-crisis.php, August 4, 2007.) A more notorious model is found in post-World War I Germany. When Hitler came to power, the country was completely, hopelessly broke. The Treaty of Versailles had imposed crushing reparations payments on the German people, who were expected to reimburse the costs of the war for all participants — costs totaling three times the value of all the property in the country. Speculation in the German mark had caused it to plummet, precipitating one of the worst runaway inflations in modern times. At its peak, a wheelbarrow full of 100 billion-mark banknotes could not buy a loaf of bread. The national treasury was empty, and huge numbers of homes and farms had been lost to the banks and speculators. People were living in hovels and starving. Nothing quite like it had ever happened before - the total destruction of the national currency, wiping out people's savings, their businesses, and the economy generally. Making matters worse, at the end of the decade global depression hit. Germany had no choice but to succumb to debt slavery to international lenders.

Or so it seemed. Hitler and the National Socialists, who came to power in 1933, thwarted the international banking cartel by issuing their own money. In this they took their cue from Abraham Lincoln, who funded the American Civil War with government-issued paper money called "Greenbacks." Hitler began his national credit program by devising a plan of public works. Projects earmarked for funding included flood control, repair of public buildings and private residences, and construction of new buildings, roads, bridges, canals, and port facilities. The projected cost of the various programs was fixed at one billion units of the national currency. One billion non-inflationary bills of exchange, called Labor Treasury Certificates, were then issued against this cost. Millions of people were put to work on these projects, and the workers were paid with the Treasury Certificates. This government-issued money wasn't backed by gold, but it was backed by something of real value. It was essentially a receipt for labor and materials delivered to the government. Hitler said, "for every mark that was issued we required the equivalent of a mark's worth of work done or goods produced." The workers then spent the Certificates on other goods and services, creating more jobs for more people. Continued at top link.[/quote]

Buck Laser
08-17-2007, 05:43 PM
Just what we need now: a post praising Hitler's economic acumen. :blah:

Marley
08-17-2007, 05:50 PM
What's so "outside the box" about the economic concepts presented?

Didn't Nixon take the USd off the gold standard a generation ago?

And Buck Laser, puh-leez, shallow cliches aren't compelling, let alone accurate.

Surely every owner of a Mercedez-Benz or Volkswagon doesn't "praise Hilter's" automotive "acumen."

Truth_and_Power
08-17-2007, 05:58 PM
What's so "outside the box" about the economic concepts presented?

Didn't Nixon take the USd off the gold standard a generation ago?

And Buck Laser, puh-leez, shallow cliches aren't compelling, let alone accurate.

Surely every owner of a Mercedez-Benz or Volkswagon doesn't "praise Hilter's" automotive "acumen."


It is, of course, purely coincidence that the same poster

1. Supports white "seperatists" in america (KKK)
2. Despises Jews and disputes the holocaust
3. Suggests copying portions of hitler's economic policies

It's not like the guy is a FLAMING NEONAZI or anything, it's just COINCIDENCE.

Marley
08-17-2007, 06:07 PM
If you have personal issues with someone, fine.

I merely respond to the topic and the substance of the post.

If I ran a railroad, I might study Mussolini, he's notorous for having his "Trians run on time."

Post WWI Germany was a case study in economic disaster. "Hitler's econimic acumen" is arguably a reason he compelled otherwise good people to perpetrate his pure evil.

Finally, howling at the moon against some neonazi hardly seems effective to me. I find it much better to point out how ignorant and ill informed of the topic in general the neonazi is.

Maybe the howling is to soothe yourself?

My BMW was one of the best cars I ever owned but that doesn't make me an advocate of Jewish genocide.

Truth_and_Power
08-17-2007, 06:13 PM
Yes I feel much better now, thank you.

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Deadshot
08-17-2007, 06:30 PM
If you have personal issues with someone, fine.

I merely respond to the topic and the substance of the post.

If I ran a railroad, I might study Mussolini, he's notorous for having his "Trians run on time."

His trains ran on time only for awhile then he needed a war to bail him out financially. Italy invaded Ethiopia and join in the war to get economic spoils because of a collapsing economy.


Post WWI Germany was a case study in economic disaster. "Hitler's econimic acumen" is arguably a reason he compelled otherwise good people to perpetrate his pure evil.

PROMISES of economic acumen, not actual economic acumen. The story of the Volkswagen is a good example.

Hitler had the idea for all Germans to have a car. He helped create the Volkswagen and started a program to have people begin to start a payment plan to buy the car. In 1939 they built the plant and millions put in the first few payments...then the war came. The business kept the money, converted the plant to making small arms, and the people were screwed.

Without the war, just like Italy, Germany's economy would collapse.

Finally, howling at the moon against some neonazi hardly seems effective to me. I find it much better to point out how ignorant and ill informed of the topic in general the neonazi is.

Maybe the howling is to soothe yourself?

My BMW was one of the best cars I ever owned but that doesn't make me an advocate of Jewish genocide.
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Nor should it, own your BMW with pride. But when people start to espouse the greatness of Adolf Hilter or Benito Mussolini's plans on anything expect not to be greeted with open arms.

Buck Laser
08-17-2007, 06:41 PM
What's so "outside the box" about the economic concepts presented?

Didn't Nixon take the USd off the gold standard a generation ago?

And Buck Laser, puh-leez, shallow cliches aren't compelling, let alone accurate.

Surely every owner of a Mercedez-Benz or Volkswagon doesn't "praise Hilter's" automotive "acumen."

Sorry, Jimmi, but the gold standard ended in 1933, early in FDR's administration. The US abandoned both silver certificates and silver coins in the 70s and 60s respectively.

Secondly, Uncle has already established himself as a racist antisemite segregationist, and I tend not to have any respect for people of his ilk.

As to German cars, I'm not sure I can find much of a link to Hitler's economic policies there.

Finally, from your confusion about the dates various events occurred, it's fairly clear to me that you need to get a better grasp on the history of the twentieth century before you carry your pontification too far.

Marley
08-17-2007, 08:21 PM
Nah, my grasp is fine.

I got the big pieces straight, I leave the details for underlings usually.

The money and power is in the big pieces, getting the big picture right. You can always find cheap labor to flesh it out and edit it.

Thanks anyway.

Deadshot
08-17-2007, 08:24 PM
Nah, my grasp is fine.

I got the big pieces straight, I leave the details for underlings usually.

The money and power is in the big pieces, getting the big picture right. You can always find cheap labor to flesh it out and edit it.

Thanks anyway.



Someone who deals with the "big pieces" wants to get it all right. They do so so they know what they're talking about. Hence the quality of your posts...

Marley
08-17-2007, 08:48 PM
Once you're able to hold a position of power and leadership my post will come into focus for you.

Line-level laborers seldom grasp this point, so really I'm fine with your lack of comprehension.

But why waste computer talking about each other when we meet here to discuss policitcs?

Labrocca
08-17-2007, 09:53 PM
I don't see what's wrong with considering Hitlers economic polices. The man was probably Germany's best and worst leader ever at the same time. The first 7-8 years he took a country in ruin and made it into the #1 world power. You have to admit that's incredibly admirable. However he went on to commit attrocities and start wars so for that...well less than admirable for sure. You do not however discount everything the man said or did. He is probably one of the most studied people in all of history.

http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,760539,00.html

Oddly reading the Time Man Of The Year article from 1938 reminds me somehow of Hugo Chavez. Chavez is also given huge credit for turning around Venezuala by some circles. However..what lies beneath the cloak?

Economically..I think there is a LOT to learn from Hitler and how he turned a war torn bankrupt nation into the Third Reich in such a short time.

Also notice the article mentions that Hitler did the same thing as Abraham Lincoln? History looks favorably on winners. Lincoln won and Hitler lost...hmm.

ViolaLee
08-17-2007, 10:54 PM
Nah, my grasp is fine.

I got the big pieces straight, I leave the details for underlings usually.

The money and power is in the big pieces, getting the big picture right. You can always find cheap labor to flesh it out and edit it.

Thanks anyway.



Someone who deals with the "big pieces" wants to get it all right. They do so so they know what they're talking about. Hence the quality of your posts...


The way he learns things is this: He reads about things. He writes things down and then he reads it.

:help:

Buck Laser
08-18-2007, 01:56 AM
I don't see what's wrong with considering Hitlers economic polices.

You might be right. But as one who remembers WW2 pretty vividly, and having had a very close friend who was with the American infantry that arrived first at Dachau in 1945, and heard him tell first hand of his experiences, I tend to be unwilling to confer any dignity or value on Hitler. I doubt that you'll find anyone from my generation, or the generation that actually fought in WW2 who'd be able to consider Hitler dispassionately.