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Buck Laser
08-16-2007, 07:02 PM
Since a few posters on DF love to toss the term "neo-lib" around as a pejorative, I thought I'd take a quick look at what the hell it's supposed to mean. Given the fact that the posters who use the term tend to be sloppy and imprecise in their expression, going for what they think a word means rather than using it properly, I figured Wikipedia would be a pretty good place to begin. Not a tool for serious research, I know, but still more seriously researched than our resident word butchers are willing to do. So here's the link: NEOLIBERALISM (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neoliberalism)

And here, in brief, are the policies advanced by "neoliberalsim:"
Policies Advanced by Neoliberalism

The definitive statement of the concrete policies advocated by neoliberalism is often taken to be John Williamson's[3] "Washington Consensus" , a list of policy proposals that appeared to have gained consensus approval among the Washington-based international economic organizations (like the IMF and World Bank). These reforms are described by Dani Rodrik[4] as:

* Fiscal rectitude, meaning that governments would cut expenditures and/or raise taxes to maintain a budget surplus
* Competitive exchange rates, whereby governments would accept market-determined exchange rates, as opposed to implemented government-fixed exchange rates, as had prevailed under the Bretton Woods System
* Free Trade, which means the selected removal of trade barriers, like tariffs, subsidies, and regulatory trade barriers
* Privatization, which means the transfer of previously-public-owned enterprises, goods, and services to the private sector.
* Undistorted Market Prices, meaning that governments would selectively refrain from policies that would alter market prices.
* Limited Intervention, with the exception of intervention designed to promote exports, some kinds of education or infrastructural development.

That's straight out of the article. It doesn't sound a BIT like what the DF posters are accusing us liberals of. I've always been proud to carry the "liberal" banner, but this "neo-liberal" stuff sounds JUST LIKE neoconservatism rehashed--or libertarianism.

Surely you guys can do better.

bobbylien
08-16-2007, 07:51 PM
Surely you guys can do better.
Its stoner and chess...they can't. Its all they've got.

ClayBarham
08-16-2007, 09:22 PM
Hey Buck: If you are going to use the Physiocrat to Adam Smith version of the term liberalism, then you are describing todays conservative, but you know that. Unfortunately, the word liberal has been "drafted" by those who believe just the opposite of those who, like Jefferson and Madison, would have accepted that label. Their use of the word today is meant to confuse those who spend very little time on events and politics, and who don't know their pockets are being picked until someone's in there with both feet. Labels from the past do not carry along the same meanings. A conservative in Russia today is a Bolshevik. That doesn't mean Jefferson was a communist, but you know that. You are jst carrying the ball for those who see us all as too stupid to know.

Marley
08-16-2007, 09:33 PM
If this is supposed to be a "political analysis" forum, why are all the posts personal attacks at each other?

Buck Laser
08-16-2007, 09:46 PM
Hey Buck: If you are going to use the Physiocrat to Adam Smith version of the term liberalism, then you are describing todays conservative, but you know that. Unfortunately, the word liberal has been "drafted" by those who believe just the opposite of those who, like Jefferson and Madison, would have accepted that label. Their use of the word today is meant to confuse those who spend very little time on events and politics, and who don't know their pockets are being picked until someone's in there with both feet. Labels from the past do not carry along the same meanings. A conservative in Russia today is a Bolshevik. That doesn't mean Jefferson was a communist, but you know that. You are jst carrying the ball for those who see us all as too stupid to know.

Wow. What a scattershot reply. You addressed everything but the concept of neoliberalism, a term that certain posters use regularly against those with whom they disagree. As people who've read my posts know, I am not a "neo-liberal." I toyed with it at one time, because I thought "free trade" might be a good idea. I found out it wasn't, and continued with liberalism as it's been defined during the 20th century.

CheesyMuslim
08-16-2007, 11:41 PM
Sorry bout that,

1. But Neoliberalism=NeoNaziLiberalism.
2. I have changed the meaning of the word, Neoliberalism, you can do that, when you're *The Great CWN*!
3. So just get used to it Buck, words they are a changing.
4. When I hear of how the New Neoliberalists sound, hey I've got to call em as I here em.


Regards,
SirJamesofTexas

Deadshot
08-16-2007, 11:52 PM
What's funny about this term is how little people use because people really don't know what it means. NeoCon has an identity, NeoLib does not.

So CWN or anyone else can lay claim to it, the problem is that most people don't adhere to any NeoLib definition. Making the word moot.

PatrickHenry
08-17-2007, 12:52 AM
Neoliberalism is equivalent to globalism. Bad Juju...

Jaaaman
08-17-2007, 12:58 AM
I have never used the term 'neoliberal' to describe or label anyone on this board. Take a look at all of my posts. You will find I have never used that term here.

Buck Laser
08-17-2007, 01:15 AM
I have never used the term 'neoliberal' to describe or label anyone on this board. Take a look at all of my posts. You will find I have never used that term here.

And I don't think I inferred in any way that you did. I was merely pointing out that it doesn't mean what the people who use it think it means. :lmao:

Jaaaman
08-17-2007, 01:57 AM
I have never used the term 'neoliberal' to describe or label anyone on this board. Take a look at all of my posts. You will find I have never used that term here.

And I don't think I inferred in any way that you did. I was merely pointing out that it doesn't mean what the people who use it think it means. :lmao:


Yeah... I just didn't want to be lumped into that category of people using that term. :thumbsup:

ECW
08-17-2007, 06:56 AM
I have never used the term 'neoliberal' to describe or label anyone on this board. Take a look at all of my posts. You will find I have never used that term here.

And I don't think I inferred in any way that you did. I was merely pointing out that it doesn't mean what the people who use it think it means. :lmao:


Yeah... I just didn't want to be lumped into that category of people using that term. :thumbsup:


You are hereby excused.

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