Mirror and Window Parties

[ClayBarham]

There are two kinds of people in this world. One type is the mirror people. They live in rooms with walls covered by mirrors. Seeing their own reflection gives them one of two views of how they look to others. Some are peacocks. They believe what they see exalts them above all others, in beauty and intelligence. Others see themselves as sheepish dogs, ears and head down, tail tucked in between their legs. They believe they are less than others are. Both these mirror-people orientations affect how they think and act toward others. Both are full of pride, what Christians call original sin.

The pride they must shoulder, leads them to envy what others have. Others who have greater beauty, health or wealth in excess of what they have, cause their envy. This causes them to be angry at what others enjoy and they lack. They are then easily depressed when failing to measure up to their own image. The peacocks are angry if others possess more wealth or power than they do, because the peacocks think they are the only ones who should have these things. The hangdogs are angry when behind and believe there should be some kind of lifting of status, of forced equality. Politically, mirror people agree with one another. The peacocks believe only they should rule. The hangdogs accept rule by them, as someone needs to elevate them to a higher level to suit their pride. The result sought by both is control of all governing authority, to plan and manage society to suit their needs. They form the mirror party.

The other kinds of people live in rooms where the walls are all windows. They are interested more on what is taking place outside. They do not focus on how they look or how other people perceive them. They see the world and the possibilities existing there as open to them. They can love and admire. They can pursue dreams and visions. They can attempt, invent, create, build and accomplish as their form of pleasure. Instead of suffering from the destructive power of envy, anger or depression, they are elated more like small children at play, unconcerned with how others see them. The window people are political allies in that they want no governing authority controlling their lives, getting in the way of their achievements or failures. They applaud others and wish only for them to applaud their creations. They are the window party.

Elections are held frequently in America, candidates coming from the Mirror and the Window Parties. They seek public office, one to control and reshape society, the other to block them from doing so. America started almost 400 years ago with a majority of window people. Survival depended on their seeing the world as it was, and from this, they built a great, prosperous, free nation. Today, the Mirror Party is gaining, promising to redefine America in their image and return to the Old World ways of life...

[ViolaLee]

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[Truth_and_Power]

Two kinds of people:

1. Write long diatribes about their unchanging opinions which inspire no real conversation or debate or learning.
2. Open minded, like to discuss issues and willing to learn from and teach others.

[ClayBarham]

Sorry to confuse, but as a psychologist I have become used to working with both types, not the fixed opinion or open mind types, but those steeped in their own pride and others who, like little children, were always excited about getting out of bed and taking on life as they met it or could fashion it. They have a tendency to gravitate to like-minded folks, forming the two political parties, mirror and window. Sorry it offends your senses, but, alas, the ravings of the elated.

[Truth_and_Power]

Wow clay are you saying democrats are selfish narcissistic little children who deserve no power in our government and are ruining our country??!!

OMG who'd a thunk it!

[Questerr]

You're wrong Clay, there are only 10 kind of people, those who understand binary, and those who don't.

[exigent]

there are only 10 kind of people, those who understand binary, and those who don't.


heh, I get it.

Claybarham...by your own definitions, you have the two mixed up. Not only that, but your twisted perceptions group people into a section that is incapable of love. We are are capable of love.

It's very hard to take anything you write seriously...that was ALMOST a good post, but there was too much distortion.

[ClayBarham]

So, you are saying there are no distinctions between self-centered and other-centered people, or are you trying to say liberals are other-centered because they love others so much they want them penned in a cage where they can be taken care of, or that conservatives are self-centered, and as a result are fearful, angry and depressed, while liberals are happy-go-lucky? Are you trying to say that people like me, as a therapist, are wrong on how we understand troubled people who envy others and live awful lives because they hate? I'm not sure what it is you see as so bad about what is stated in the post as you couch you opinions of it in empty rhetoric instead of intellectual feedback, or is that asking too much?

[exigent]

I completely understand your OP, though I dont fully agree with your comparison that
mirror = democrat and window = republican

[Truth_and_Power]

So, you are saying there are no distinctions between self-centered and other-centered people, or are you trying to say liberals are other-centered because they love others so much they want them penned in a cage where they can be taken care of, or that conservatives are self-centered, and as a result are fearful, angry and depressed, while liberals are happy-go-lucky? Are you trying to say that people like me, as a therapist, are wrong on how we understand troubled people who envy others and live awful lives because they hate? I'm not sure what it is you see as so bad about what is stated in the post as you couch you opinions of it in empty rhetoric instead of intellectual feedback, or is that asking too much?


I think what he's trying to say is that characterizing liberals as wanting everyone else pinned in a cage is a ridiculous metaphor that shows that you are completely motivated by your political biases and unable to objectively examine this subject. If anyone is holding on to hate, I think it's you Clay. What party are you again? Oh yeah you're the party that's full of great moral responsible people, not the one that's full of the crappy people who screw up the country. LOL. Geez man take off the tinted glasses, there is a political dichotomy in this country but it's not Good vs. Bad.

How someone can be a professional therapist and still be unable to see that they are COMPLETELY CLOSE MINDED AND BIASED is beyond me.

[Lazarus]

Clay-
you being a psychologist, I can understand how you are unable to identify your own personal flaws.
Psychologists are motivated to expose other peoples' flaws; what lurks within remains hidden.

Your diatribe is in error, and was excessive in length.
Republicans are the Mirrors, and Democrats are the Windows.
Republicans, in their actions, only take into consideration how those actions will affect themselves personally.
Democrats, on the other hand, view an action in how it will affect others.

Nevertheless, cookie-cutter descriptions rarely hold up to scrutiny.
And neither yours, nor my opposite, do so here.

[ClayBarham]

So, let me see if I understand. Those who deem themselves superior and highly exalted, who want to tell everyone else how they should live, you say are the window people? And those who want to be left alone, and want everyone else left alone to do their own thing, follow their own interests, are the mirror people? Well, if you see it that way, who am I to judge you? Self-centered people, who are the exalted ones, in their own minds, are those who want everyone to follow their lead, because they are perfect. Those who just want to follow their own interests are always thinking outside of themselves inventing, creating, serving and all that. I can see where you may be transposing my terms, assuming the liberals who want only to guide the live of others, you would see as window people. Maybe my analogy is not very good. I'll have to look deeper at it, but nonetheless, I appreciate your taking the time to think about it, except for the defensive insults made to make me look less than you....but, I understand that too.

[Lazarus]

No, you are not understanding.
Your baggage is blocking the aisles.

Believe me, nothing in which you opine will ever lead to me display a defensive posture.

I am merely using that " mirror " of yours to reflect that condescension back from whence it came.
Your thoughts come across as rather arrogant and exhibit some need to talk down to your peers.
If you cure that affliction, your threads will be more productive.
______________________
Democrats, in my view, are an altruistic society.
Self-sacrifice. They need a society for survival.

Republicans, on the other hand, are the individualists.
Independent souls.

[Truth_and_Power]

The notion that republicans don't tell other people how to live is a ridiculous one. Clay can always prove his hypothesis, he just ignores any evidence to the contrary.

[ClayBarham]

T&P:
Would appreciate an example. After all these years of being a Republican, and never having see such as you describe, I would be most interested in seeing where I have been wrong. Can you give me an example? Thanks.

[Truth_and_Power]

T&P:
Would appreciate an example. After all these years of being a Republican, and never having see such as you describe, I would be most interested in seeing where I have been wrong. Can you give me an example? Thanks.


War on Drugs

[ClayBarham]

Another failed program from the central government? Can't you suggest something conservatives would accept as a good Federal Program, other than National Defense? The War on Drugs, like the War on Poverty, are programs the few initiate in the central government in their belief the regular folks are too stupid to live without. It is about as efficient and acceptable as Prohibition. These things can be handled by people n the local level, as it was done for most of our nation's history.

[Truth_and_Power]

Another failed program from the central government? Can't you suggest something conservatives would accept as a good Federal Program, other than National Defense? The War on Drugs, like the War on Poverty, are programs the few initiate in the central government in their belief the regular folks are too stupid to live without. It is about as efficient and acceptable as Prohibition. These things can be handled by people n the local level, as it was done for most of our nation's history.


Conservatives seem pretty accepting of the war on drugs from where I stand. They also seem pretty interested in telling gays they can't marry and women they can't have abortions. So now after all these long years, you see that the republican party DOES stick its nose in people's business and tell them how to live. Glad I could help.

[ClayBarham]

I don't know any conservatives who say Gays can't live with one another. Insofar as abortion is concerned, I know most conservatives oppose legalizing murdering another human being at any stage of their life, no matter who is doing it, although, in both issues, the laws should be applied in the states, not by the Feds. Now, you can come back and say a woman has a right to decide, and my response is that, if they have that right, why can't they bump off a kid in the terrible twos, or a husband whom they are tired of having around? So, keep on going. You haven't really hit one yet.

[Truth_and_Power]

I don't know any conservatives who say Gays can't live with one another. Insofar as abortion is concerned, I know most conservatives oppose legalizing murdering another human being at any stage of their life, no matter who is doing it, although, in both issues, the laws should be applied in the states, not by the Feds. Now, you can come back and say a woman has a right to decide, and my response is that, if they have that right, why can't they bump off a kid in the terrible twos, or a husband whom they are tired of having around? So, keep on going. You haven't really hit one yet.


#1 you disavowed despite your party's approval
#2 you avoided the issue
#3 valid argument