*THE NUMBIFACATION OF THE WEST*

[CheesyMuslim]

Sorry bout that,

1. But seeing we are having more and more decapitations from Islamic Followers, in Iraq, and else where, this continuation of murdering people by cutting their heads off will do two things.
1.1.a) Soon we will all expect more of these on a daily bases.
1.2.b) When we drop the bomb on a Islamic Country we will have plenty of reasoning to say it was justified.
2. If Islam is so peaceful in its teachings, how is it we keep seeing them cut off peoples heads.
3. Talk about a pure religion, pure deadly.
4. Unless we see a doctrinal change coming from Islam, this War on Islam will escalate.

Regards,
SirJamesofTexas

[bobbylien]

1.2.b) When we drop the bomb on a Islamic Country we will have plenty of reasoning to say it was justified.
2. If Islam is so peaceful in its teachings, how is it we keep seeing them cut off peoples heads.
3. Talk about a pure religion, pure deadly.

1.2.b) So you believe we are justified in dropping bombs on any "Islamic Country" because some radicals are doing bad things?

2. Islam is peaceful in its teachings. Radical, fascist clerics have twisted the words of the great prophet to gain power. You can't blame all of Islam for the bad deeds of a few.

3. Christianity has been used in this same way throughout history. Every religion has radical followers. Look at the "godhatesfags" church in America.

[Old Corps Gunny]

Exactly, bobbylien. How many times has words been taken out of context from the Bible to justify wars in Europe? About the only religion that hasn't been used to justify violence is Buddhism, and before anyone tries to jump on that using Japan's involvement in WWII, the major religion in Japan at that time was Shinto, which deified the Emperor. The current beheadings are done for shock value (a favorite terrorist tactic) and aren't really all that common. Most of the killings, outside of bombings, are done with bullets because, unless one is experienced and has an extremely sharp and moderately heavy implement, it is very difficult to cut through the muscles, tendons and gristle of the neck in one blow.

[CheesyMuslim]

Sorry bout that,

1. But the Jury is still out on how this effects mankind.
2. In my view, our Military should be forgiven instead of put on trial for some supposed wrongful deaths of some civilian's in Iraq.
3. Wars crimes are what they are doing, cutting off heads on camera, now as far as I know our Military isn't doing this, unless we have film of them doing it, they are fine.
4. Americans shouldn't put their own heroes in prison for some deaths of Iraqi's, in a War like this they should not be held accountable.
5. Unless they start whacking off heads on the Internet.

Regards,
SirJamesofTexas

[Nitrus]

2. In my view, our Military should be forgiven instead of put on trial for some supposed wrongful deaths of some civilian's in Iraq.

Yes, but if the MP don't press these charges, the American military will be seen as "sinking to their level", which the government doesnt want.

And might I add, there are rules of engagement, and conduct in these situations, and if they were broken, then by law they have to procescuted, and you cant argue with that.

-N

[CheesyMuslim]

Sorry bout that,

1. But if the Iraqi Government allows those who cut off our men's heads, to walk, we have to do the same in every case.
2. Our men risk their lives everyday for those in power in Iraq, and the common people.
3. If they void any harm to the people fighting this war on the the other side, then our Military's wrongful actions are voided as well.
4. Its only fair, and is justified.

Regards,
SirJamesofTexas

[bobbylien]

Sorry bout that,

1. But the Jury is still out on how this effects mankind.
2. In my view, our Military should be forgiven instead of put on trial for some supposed wrongful deaths of some civilian's in Iraq.
3. Wars crimes are what they are doing, cutting off heads on camera, now as far as I know our Military isn't doing this, unless we have film of them doing it, they are fine.
4. Americans shouldn't put their own heroes in prison for some deaths of Iraqi's, in a War like this they should not be held accountable.
5. Unless they start whacking off heads on the Internet.

Regards,
SirJamesofTexas

Are you just completely incapable of looking at anything rationally?

Our soldiers who kill civilians are just as bad as those who cut off heads. Those soldiers arent serving our country, they are making us look bad and causing more chaos throughout the middle east. We MUST investigate these events and make sure all of those responsible are punished severely. To give them amnesty for killing CIVILIANS in cold blood is wrong. You cant rationalize this by saying that their people kill civilians too. Two wrongs don't make a right. We are better than they are.

5. So you believe that our soldiers are completely justified in killing civilians who have nothing to do with the war?

[CheesyMuslim]

Sorry bout that,

1. But yes, I am saying unless our military actually cut off a persons head, either a civilian or an insurgent, they do no wrong, at all.
2. What ever the Iraqi Government say is good for those fighting our Military, is good enough for our Military too.
3. They are making laws to over look the insurgents.
4. It applies to both sides of the conflict, or it can apply to none.
5. It should apply to our men first, then theirs secondly at best.
6. Fact is, our men can't tell who the enemy is half the time, they all look the same, no uniforms.
7. Sometimes the enemy wears women's clothing.
8. How can you tell for sure if this burka wearing human isn't an insurgent?
9. Sometimes you must shoot first ask questions later.
10. I am sure I would do the same thing they have done.

Regards,
SirJamesofTexas

[AlonzoMourning23]

Sorry bout that,

1. But yes, I am saying unless our military actually cut off a persons head, either a civilian or an insurgent, they do no wrong, at all.
2. What ever the Iraqi Government say is good for those fighting our Military, is good enough for our Military too.
3. They are making laws to over look the insurgents.
4. It applies to both sides of the conflict, or it can apply to none.
5. It should apply to our men first, then theirs secondly at best.
6. Fact is, our men can't tell who the enemy is half the time, they all look the same, no uniforms.
7. Sometimes the enemy wears women's clothing.
8. How can you tell for sure if this burka wearing human isn't an insurgent?
9. Sometimes you must shoot first ask questions later.
10. I am sure I would do the same thing they have done.

Regards,
SirJamesofTexas


Find me a law, speech etc. from Iraqi government officials saying killing civilians is acceptable. All they've said is they want to provide amnesty to those who lay down their weapons. They are trying to sap the strength of the insurgency by allowing people to stop fighting without facing charges. It's more important to prevent more deaths than punish those that occurred.

The fact is we invaded, we decided to go in, if we have to lose a few soldiers to prevent civilians being killed then so be it.

[CheesyMuslim]

Sorry bout that,

1. But for whatever reason we went into Iraq isn't important now.
2. We are there, and have to do what we can to make it a better place than it was when we got there.
3. Problem is we are dealing with a backwards people.
4. Who have nothing worth living for.
5. They see us as a ticket to get out of there.
6. If they create enough turmoil, they feel they might be able to get a visa to immigrate to USA on a asylum Visa.
7. Basically they all want out.
8. And I know this as a fact.
9. Its a dessert, hotter than hell, water is limited, green grass never, tree's few, lakes few, crime rampant.

Regards,
SirJamesofTexas

[BoogyMan]

It's more important to prevent more deaths than punish those that occurred.

Alonzo,

Good morning.Â*Â*I have to disagree in part with the statement quoted above.Â*Â*I would put those two on an equal plane as far as importance because while me must try to prevent further deaths, we must also punish those who have murdered in cold blood as insurgents because it is the right thing to do and as a message to others who might wish to involve themselves in such abhorrent activities.

[Old Corps Gunny]

Deliberate execution of non-combatants is inexcusable and a crime according to the laws of land warfare, which is governed by the various international conventions and treaties. Terrorists, insurgents, or whatever you want to call them, are not bound by these laws; the US and its military forces are. Having said that, the investigations are still on-going and until all the facts are out, we don't know that crimes have been committed. If non-combatants were murdered, the those responsible for the killings and any cover-up should be punished. But this has yet to be proven and, until the investigation is complete, I believe that these Marines and soldiers should be given the benefit of the doubt -- "innocent until proven guilty".

[CheesyMuslim]

Sorry bout that,

1. But Gunny, this isn't a normal war, its a war fought within a active city.
2. Those mistakes by our men are not worthy to be persecuted.
3. In a normal war maybe.
4. But in a war fought within an Arab Nation no way!
5. Because this isn't a war on warriors, its a war on cowards.
6. Who slink around in women's burkas, and slink in the dark.
7. Under the cover of darkness.
8. Shuffling within the public, hidden in plain site.
9. No one is perfect when fighting this kind of enemy.

Regards,
SirJamesofTexas

[AlonzoMourning23]

Sorry bout that,

1. But for whatever reason we went into Iraq isn't important now.
2. We are there, and have to do what we can to make it a better place than it was when we got there.
3. Problem is we are dealing with a backwards people.
4. Who have nothing worth living for.
5. They see us as a ticket to get out of there.
6. If they create enough turmoil, they feel they might be able to get a visa to immigrate to USA on a asylum Visa.
7. Basically they all want out.
8. And I know this as a fact.
9. Its a dessert, hotter than hell, water is limited, green grass never, tree's few, lakes few, crime rampant.

Regards,
SirJamesofTexas


It is important. When you enter a war after being attacked it's self defense, when you enter a war, as a choice, you have a much stronger obligation to fix the damage you did.

Also, please show me proof that all Iraqi's want to come to the u.s., or even leave Iraq, due to non security issues.

[CheesyMuslim]

Sorry bout that,

1. But if I were born in pure hell like Iraq is, and I knew how good it was in USA, I would want in.
2. Today 60 died in the Market from one of those unhappy residents.
3. Suicide bomber.

Regards,
SirJamesofTexas

[AlonzoMourning23]

Sorry bout that,

1. But if I were born in pure hell like Iraq is, and I knew how good it was in USA, I would want in.
2. Today 60 died in the Market from one of those unhappy residents.
3. Suicide bomber.

Regards,
SirJamesofTexas


Chess, you realize the majority of those attacks are foreigners, not Iraqi's. The Iraqi insurgents tend to aim at police and soldiers.

You also provided 0 evidence for your point:

Also, please show me proof that all Iraqi's want to come to the u.s., or even leave Iraq, due to non security issues.

[CheesyMuslim]

Sorry bout that,

1. But where is the proof that these suicide bombers are not locals but out of state bombers?
2. Its hard to prove who just died when all you find is human scraps.
3. Its easy to understand why they would want to leave their home land.
4. Far easier than to believe that they would like to remain in Iraq.
5. I did a search to learn just how many Iraqi's would want to come here and couldn't find a link.

Regards,
SirJamesofTexas

[AlonzoMourning23]

Al Qaeda and allies have been responsible for most of the worst attacks, and those groups have, at times, even come under fire from homegrown religious and secular insurgents due to their targetting of civilians and civilian areas.

Most of the people committing suicide bombings in Iraq today are foreigners, not Iraqis, a senior Multinational Force Iraq official told reporters at an April 14 meeting with reporters in Baghdad.

“The sense is that many of the suicide bombers are in fact foreign jihadists, not Iraqis, for the most part,� the official said, speaking to reporters on background.

“The ones that we’ve gotten our hands on are certainly foreigners,� he pointed out.

http://www.defenselink.mil/news/Apr2005/20050415_630.html

Though at least you admit you can't provide evidence. People want to get out of a war zone, but you have nothing to show that they want out of Iraq for the u.s., or out of Iraq even if peaceful.

[CheesyMuslim]

Sorry bout that,

1. But no matter where these suicide bombers are from they are muslims, acting out crimes on other muslims.
2. To me they are all the same, I don't hold one group of muslims over another group of muslims.
3. They are so hell bent on running America out of Iraq that they will cold hearted murder anyone and everyone they can get a chance to murder.
4. This is the type of people we are dealing with in Iran, and any other Nation that has a muslim leader, and a huge population of Arabs.
5. I say we build our base at an Airport in Iraq, make it permanent, dig in and stay no less than 100 years.

Regards,
SirJamesofTexas