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busybusymom
08-03-2007, 08:03 AM
My prayers and very best wishes go out to anyone who is suffering the agony of a missing loved one, or the trauma of a near-miss in the collapse of the I-35 bridge.

I know it's early for this discussion, given that the victims have yet to be retrieved from the river. However, I cannot help feeling a deep sense of frustration and outrage that such a collapse could occur, that such a danger was not recognized and addressed, that our infrastructure is so perilously maintained.

My outrage is further deepened by the knowledge that we are have spent billions of dollars -- and thousands of precious American lives -- in a war globally recognized as having failed in its primary, oxymoronic objective (a stable, democratic, and U.S.-friendly Iraqi state). Sure, we had the best of intentions, but our leadership has failed us by not planning appropriately, not sharing with us the identified possible outcomes, ignoring predicted complications, and simply not executing workable plans that would have come at too much "political cost." Such tragic hubris...

The current adminstration and those who speak for it have frequently flung accusations of "emboldening the terrorists" at anyone who questions their policies, their results, and their conduct.

My question is: Do you doubt that the terrorists, Wahabbists and "Islamofascists" are out there saying to themselves and others, "Look how Allah has favored us. We do not even have to bomb them, or send 'martyrs' to America. Allah is destroying their country for us!"

Neglecting our country's infrastructure, our environment, education, and our children's future is just as "emboldening" to the terrorists, if not more so, than anyone demanding accountability, effective strategic planning, and some simple realism from our leaders.

Anyone with business sense, Republican or Democrat, knows the following: success in any major initiatives requires:
a realistic assessment of the situation
goal-oriented strategic planning
specified 'ownership' of all action items
alignment of all practices with the goal, the plan
metrics to measure outcomes
accountability for results
consequences (strategy change and/or personnel change) for failure to execute those plans.

Fellow Americans: Let's stop hiring the guys we'd like to have a beer with, and get someone with some successful management experience. Please join me in holding our leaders accountable for their failures, and let's all vow not to be taken in by accusations of "emboldening the terrorists." This bridge collapse has likely done more to that end, worldwide, than we yet know.

Thank you for reading.

jafar00
08-03-2007, 10:10 AM
I think the extra $30billion recently promised to Israel in military aid would be better spent on bridges in the US. Your government needs to spend more time acting in the best interests of the country it governs.

Twenty heavily trafficked bridges may need to be replaced because they are structurally deficient, according to national bridge inspection data. These bridges scored a lower structural integrity rating than the I-35W bridge in Minnesota before its collapse.

http://blogs.abcnews.com/theblotter/2007/08/20-heavily-traf.html

bobbylien
08-03-2007, 03:44 PM
Heres to being reactionary!

Truth_and_Power
08-03-2007, 03:45 PM
Although the problem was probably more local than national, nice post.

3.14
08-03-2007, 03:52 PM
I think the extra $30billion recently promised to Israel in military aid would be better spent on bridges in the US. Your government needs to spend more time acting in the best interests of the country it governs.

Twenty heavily trafficked bridges may need to be replaced because they are structurally deficient, according to national bridge inspection data. These bridges scored a lower structural integrity rating than the I-35W bridge in Minnesota before its collapse.

http://blogs.abcnews.com/theblotter/2007/08/20-heavily-traf.html


That's a VERY good point, especially considering the current complaints about there not being enough money to repair all the bridges in the US that are "functionally obsolete". . .

http://news.yahoo.com/s/time/20070803/us_time/whydidthebridgefall;_ylt=Ao09Ybfq41g04yYO24rSgi6s0 NUE

But since civil engineers know all this, how come they didn't spot the weak points? It may well be that the real breaking point was hidden, or simply wasn't obvious under normal inspection. In fact, as everyone knows by now, the bridge was deemed "structurally deficient" starting in 1990. That didn't result in an emergency repair order, but rather an intention to replace the bridge by 2020 - not unusual, evidently, since the designation doesn't suggest imminent danger. According to Minnesota Gov. Tim Pawlenty, speaking Thursday afternoon at a press conference, there are no fewer 70,000 to 80,000 bridges in the U.S. in the same category; at least another 80,000 are considered "functionally obsolete," or not up to current design standards, another label that fails to testify to a structure's safety for travel.


It would be so expensive to fix hundreds of thousands of bridges, that it's just not going to happen. But these numbers highlight the problem of the nation's infrastructure. No word is likely to make taxpayers' eyes glaze over more quickly. As a result, officials at all levels of government tend to defer maintenance on bridges and roadways; the voters wouldn't stand for the required expenditures, estimated at more than $9 billion a year. They might, however, be willing to pay for more frequent and thorough inspections, which could distinguish the structurally deficient bridges in imminent danger of failure from those that aren't.

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Although the problem was probably more local than national, nice post.



Heres to being reactionary!


If the problem is that there isn't enough money, either locally or federally, to repair the bridges, then that money needs to come out of something else. . . To stop funding Israel's military wouldn't be a bad thing in itself, but if the money goes towards this purpose, it's even better. . .

Truth_and_Power
08-03-2007, 04:00 PM
If we can get off our oil addiction, it'll be the israeli alliance that's functionally obsolete.

DANG
08-03-2007, 04:07 PM
"The Terrorists" are laughing their asses off right now.

We are being destroyed from within by a cancer in the White House.[hr]....But thats just fine with the bush crime family, who seems to be siding with the enemy lately.

Just this week bush wanted to give Billion$ in weapons to our enemy....

the Saudis.

Just chalk up one more treason... its bidness as usual for GW Cheney.

Truth_and_Power
08-03-2007, 04:15 PM
"The Terrorists" are laughing their asses off right now.

We are being destroyed from within by a cancer in the White House.


The term "house of cards" comes to mind.

NortheastCynic
08-03-2007, 04:19 PM
The term 'emboldens our enemy' is the most nonsensical and overrused term in the current vernacular. It is completely and utterly meaningless. How in Christ's name do any of us proport to know what does and does not make 'our enemy' tick? I have no idea what 'emboldens' our enemy and what doesn't, but I'll tell you what, I'm not sure how you can get much more 'emboldened' than being prepared to kill yourself in order to kill as many Americans as possible. If our enemy can get any more 'emboldened' than that, it can only be nominally so. I'd rather live my life as I normally would without caring whether or not 'our enemy' is 'emboldened'.

-NC

NortheastCynic
08-03-2007, 04:22 PM
Eh, they're 1a., 1b. as far as I'm concerned, but good point.

-NC

Truth_and_Power
08-03-2007, 04:25 PM
No, actually "support out troops" is the most nonsensical and overrused term in the current vernacular.

A. A sticker does nothing
B. What, as opposed to wishing our troops harm?
C. It's just another "don't question the pres-dent" b.s. phrase to beat down critics

NortheastCynic
08-03-2007, 04:26 PM
Why did my post come before yours? Weird...

-NC

DANG
08-03-2007, 04:45 PM
"House of Cards", how true.
"Domino Effect" comes to mind too.
"The Butterfly Effect" also applies.

Did you hear about the bridge collapse in northern Calif. (http://www.forbes.com/feeds/ap/2007/07/31/ap3971892.html) ?
It was just the day before, on Tuesday. Fortunately nobody died. There were some close calls. A FedEx driver almost had his legs chopped off... and a construction worker rode down on debris, mostly unscathed.

This is our "chickens coming home to roost". We have "burned the bridges" of our neighbors.

We claim to be "pulling the speck out of Iraqs eye", while our own house is "built on a foundation of sand". (Caveat emptor-- I claim artistic license to mix metaphors, at will!)

Fair warning:
Bagdad still only gets about 1 hour of electricity per day...
AFTER 4 YEARS of our "help".

"Back-up often"

bobbylien
08-03-2007, 04:59 PM
The problem isn't as much that the DOT doesn't have the money to fix these bridges as it is that bridge inspectors really don't do anything more than glance at the exterior of a bridge.

Truth_and_Power
08-03-2007, 05:04 PM
"House of Cards", how true.
"Domino Effect" comes to mind too.
"The Butterfly Effect" also applies.

Did you hear about the bridge collapse in northern Calif. (http://www.forbes.com/feeds/ap/2007/07/31/ap3971892.html) ?
It was just the day before, on Tuesday. Fortunately nobody died. There were some close calls. A FedEx driver almost had his legs chopped off... and a construction worker rode down on debris, mostly unscathed.

This is our "chickens coming home to roost". We have "burned the bridges" of our neighbors.

We claim to be "pulling the speck out of Iraqs eye", while our own house is "built on a foundation of sand". (Caveat emptor-- I claim artistic license to mix metaphors, at will!)

Fair warning:
Bagdad still only gets about 1 hour of electricity per day...
AFTER 4 YEARS of our "help".

"Back-up often"


House of cards -- what an underused pun when andrew card was chief of staff.