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Marley
08-01-2007, 01:54 PM
August 01, 2007
There's A Major Problem No One's Discussing
By Robert Samuelson

Just in case you haven't noticed, the major presidential candidates -- Republican and Democratic -- are dodging one of the thorniest problems they would face if elected: the huge budget costs of aging baby boomers. In last week's CNN/YouTube debate, New Mexico Gov. Bill Richardson cleverly deflected the issue. "The best solution," he said, "is a bipartisan effort to fix it." Brilliant. There's already a bipartisan consensus: Do nothing. No one plugs cutting retirement benefits or raising taxes, the obvious choices.

End of story? Not exactly. There's also a less-noticed cause for the neglect. Washington's vaunted think tanks -- citadels for public intellectuals both liberal and conservative -- have tiptoed around the problem. Ideally, think tanks expand the public conversation by saying things too controversial for politicians to say on their own. Here, they've abdicated that role.

The aging of America is not just a population change or, as a budget problem, an accounting exercise. It involves a profound transformation of the nature of government: Commitments to the older population are slowly overwhelming other public goals; the national government is becoming mainly an income-transfer mechanism from younger workers to older retirees.

Consider the outlook. From 2005 to 2030, the 65-and-over population will nearly double to 71 million; its share of the population will rise to 20 percent from 12 percent. Social Security, Medicare and Medicaid -- programs that serve older people -- already exceed 40 percent of the $2.7 trillion federal budget. By 2030, their share could hit 75 percent of the present budget, projects the Congressional Budget Office.

The 2030 projections are daunting. To keep federal spending stable as a share of the economy would mean eliminating all defense spending and most other domestic programs (for research, homeland security, the environment, etc.). To balance the budget with existing programs at their present economic shares would require, depending on assumptions, tax increases of 30 percent to 50 percent -- or budget deficits could quadruple. A final
possibility: Cut retirement benefits by increasing eligibility ages, being less generous to wealthier retirees or trimming all payments.

Little wonder politicians stay silent. But think tanks ought to be thrilled, because these changes pose basic questions about government. What should it do? For whom? Why? How big can it grow without weakening the economy? Does that matter? Is social justice more important than economic growth? Do gains in life expectancy and the well-being of the elderly justify significant changes in Social Security and Medicare?

Over the years, the major think tanks have published tens of thousands of words on Social Security and Medicare. Most of the reports are technical, though some propose major (even radical) changes. But the two programs are usually treated separately, and the larger questions of adjusting to an aging society are mostly evaded. I think I know why: Wrenching honesty might be deeply embarrassing.

Liberals might have to concede that government could grow too large and that spending and benefit cuts are needed. Conservatives might have to concede that, even with plausible benefit and spending cuts, tomorrow's government would be bigger than today's. For think-tank scholars, brutal candor might offend friends and political mentors. For the ambitious, it might jeopardize future appointments to top government jobs.

As an antidote to this timidity, I propose that some public-spirited sugar daddy (the MacArthur Foundation? Warren Buffett?) sponsor a short book. A possible title: "Facing Up to an Aging America." Six leading think tanks would be invited to participate: three liberal -- the Brookings Institution, the Center on Budget and Policy Priorities and the Urban Institute -- and three conservative -- the American Enterprise Institute, the Cato Institute and the Heritage Foundation.

After an introduction describing America's aging, each think tank would receive 35 pages to respond to questions and to present its vision. Are the looming budget changes good for America? If so, how would they be financed? If not, why not? How could adverse consequences be avoided? The think tanks would be expected to be specific. Higher eligibility ages? Well, how much and when? Higher taxes? Which ones and how much? If think tanks rejected the invitation, the publisher would run 35 blank pages and an explanation: "Think tank X declined to participate."

This approach would force think tanks to compete. They'd have to make their vision of the future explicit within the untidy framework of government's past commitments. It would illuminate the connections between defense spending, retirement benefits, health care, economic growth and much more. Writing for a general audience, it would favor plain English, not the usual technobabble. If published in April, the book might prod the presidential candidates to address the future. If they didn't, it would demonstrate the enormity of their evasion.

(c) 2007, The Washington Post Writers Group

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Bush presented a good, sound, workable solution but was politically defeated.

Democrats -- stupidly or dishonestly -- pretend the probelm doesn't exist.

"Privatization" is the solution, it's feisable, it can be implemented in a slow deliberate manner like the Fed controlling the money supply, and it conforms to the successful models already in practice in the real world -- 401(k) plans.

NortheastCynic
08-01-2007, 01:58 PM
Well given the fact that most of the programs you are talking about are unConstitutional [and all of the New Deal programs would have been found as such if FDR didn't coerce the SCOTUS], I agree completely.

-NC

ViolaLee
08-01-2007, 03:42 PM
The answer is easy.

1. Stop stealing from social security to pay for other things.
2. Get rid of the law that says the rich, after $97,000 don't have to pay into social security, so everyone pays the same percentage of their income into it. It's just another tax break for the rich.
3. Make the undocumented immigrants legal so they can pay taxes too. They will make up for the baby boomers who've retired and stopped paying taxes.

Truth_and_Power
08-01-2007, 04:21 PM
Reduce the baby boomers' benefits. When you consider the amount they paid in (supporting just a fraction of a retiree) and the irresponsibility of the politicians they have largely elected, they do not deserve the same level of benefits enjoyed by the previous generation.

Marley
08-01-2007, 04:31 PM
1. Stop stealing from social security to pay for other things.

That doesn't accomplish anything. Social Security is a pyramid scheme, pure and simple, it doesn't take in near enough to meet it's promised obligations. You're saying to leave the current suples of a few trillion liquide while the programs ACTUAL liability runs into the tens of trillions.

2. Get rid of the law that says the rich, after $97,000 don't have to pay into social security, so everyone pays the same percentage of their income into it. It's just another tax break for the rich.

That doesn't accomplish anything. Your mythical bogeyman "The Rich" got there by not being STUPID. And unfortunately for your tendancies, Americans are FREE. "The Rich" will simply STOP "earning" income when they deem their cut after taxes is too small. Real World 101.

3. Make the undocumented immigrants legal so they can pay taxes too.

This, IMO, is EXACTLY why the problem exists and isn't a partisan pinata. We are suffering this peaceful invasion exactly to remedy the worker/retiree ratio that is plummeting to the point where the pyramid scheme implodes.

PatrickHenry
08-01-2007, 05:05 PM
Just give me a lump sum with the interest for what I have paid in my lifetime.

I am 57 with a few years of work left until I apply for benefits. Let me out of the system, now. I won't pay in, saving about $15k a year which I will invest for my own benefit. And I won't make any claims...in fact, make it so I can't make any claims.

I'll look after myself with no help from Social Security, just give me back my money with interest right now.

Drocket
08-01-2007, 08:13 PM
These I would definitely agree with. I'd also add that it's time to bump the retirement age up a couple more years. The biggest issue with SS is the fact that, when it was designed, you really weren't supposed to live to collect it. It was a program to help extremely old people who were generally too crippled by age to ever be able to work. With medical advances leading to ever-increasing lifespan, though, way, way, WAY too many people are collecting, most of them in pretty darn good health. If you want to retire while you still have a few good years left in you so you can travel the world of something, that's something you can fund yourself.

[quote]3. Make the undocumented immigrants legal so they can pay taxes too. They will make up for the baby boomers who've retired and stopped paying taxes.
This one would actually make the problem worse. Most illegals are already paying the taxes - they just can't collect the benefits.

Fritz
11-06-2007, 03:53 AM
"Higher eligibility ages? Well, how much and when?"
Make the retirement age 78. Raise it over the next 25 years. This will apply to Medicare also.

PatrickHenry
11-06-2007, 04:07 AM
"Higher eligibility ages? Well, how much and when?"
Make the retirement age 78. Raise it over the next 25 years. This will apply to Medicare also.
Why would you say such a thing? No one can work until they're 78!

Unless you're like Warren Buffet or Robert Byrd or something!

Life expectancy is currently 77.8 years. So half of all Americans would work until they die!

And the other half probably wouldn't be doing so well when their retirement age arrived...

You are a mean person, Fritz.

Pookie
11-06-2007, 04:13 AM
Right. I gotta work til I'm 78 while I'm paying SS for those who retired at 62 or 65.
Where the hell is the fairness of that?
What a load. Also, in case nobody noticed, the author of this thread was BANNED.
Wake up, folks. Start a new thread. This should be closed.
Hisses,

Anti-Racism
11-06-2007, 04:18 AM
This, IMO, is EXACTLY why the problem exists and isn't a partisan pinata. We are suffering this peaceful invasion exactly to remedy the worker/retiree ratio that is plummeting to the point where the pyramid scheme implodes.


It's a giant ponzi scheme, and only the poultry industry thrives.