North American Union

[PatrickHenry]

This ought to be a hot button issue.

If you are conservative, you want the US to remain a separate nation, correct? If you are a lefty, maybe not. Maybe you are willing to see a North American Superstate.

As a libertarian, I want government smaller, not bigger. And if you don't think NAU is on it's way, you ought to get up to speed with your research.

There's a little confab scheduled in Canada next month. And the security forces will be US military. The event will be closed to Canadian protest and in fact the locals can't even rent to groups that would be conducting seminars opposing this agenda.

http://globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=6424

So tell me you conservatives...are you in favor of free speech, protest activities and other dissent? Do you favor the use of US military to quell protest in our neighbor nations?

I just want to see what you're really made of.

Or if you "conservatives" are really closet totalitarians...

[Truth_and_Power]

You have to use the T - word to activate the fear centers of their brain..

[Mayberry]

So tell me you conservatives...are you in favor of free speech, protest activities and other dissent? Do you favor the use of US military to quell protest in our neighbor nations?
Free speech, of course. Protest your little hearts out, it's our right to do so. And the US military has no business whatsoever crossing the Canadian border. It's not too hard to see that some in government now, the President especially, would like to see an American Union. NAFTA, CAFTA, Mexican truckers, inaction on border security...... It's not too hard to put 2 and 2 together. About the Mexican truckers, where the hell were our truck drivers?!!! I expected to see interstate blockades from coast to coast. I was very disappointed. I really can't believe they just let that slide.

[PatrickHenry]

Something's very fishy here, Mayberry.

I get blasted all the time for talking about conspiracy, but what else can you call it when there are elites from three nations conspiring against the working guy?

And setting up a superstate that no one in the underclass favors?

And the media thinks it isn't worth talking about? Where's all the right wing talking heads?[hr]Here's some video on the topic: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=brYWujMC-0k&mode=related&search=

[Mayberry]

And the media thinks it isn't worth talking about? They'll make their money either way, so why would they care? Where's all the right wing talking heads? I don't know, and I don't get it either. Limbaugh dismisses it as a crackpot theory every time it comes up. My only explanation is that wealthy right wingers see more money to be made in it. The whole thing is fishy indeed, and I wonder if the unions aren't involved as well. There'd be lots of new members for them to milk dues from. The lack of a response from truckers over letting Mexican trucks on our highways is highly suspect to me. I drove a truck myself 10 years ago, and back then this would have caused outrage. I think the Teamsters squashed any large scale protest.

[PatrickHenry]

The NAFTA highway is only one part of the agenda.

http://globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=6456

The SPP is a treasonous metamorphosis of our federal and provincial government bureaucracies into formal instruments to implement the agenda of the shadow government - the military/ industrial/ financial complex exemplified by the Canadian Council of Chief Executives who in turn are dominated by the U.S Council on Foreign Relations, and the US military apparatus. The S.P.P. has created the competitiveness council (10 to 16 people from industry and academe unelected by citizens, unaccountable to citizens, unrepresentative of citizens ) in each of Canada, U.S.A., and Mexico. They meet with our Prime Minister and the two Presidents. They actively direct the restructuring of the civil service apparatus and governance of Canada, U.S., and Mexico away from instruments serving the public interest and nationhood, and into tools to serve the power and greed of the industrial, financial, military complex. This Competitiveness Council will be at Montebello directing the three leaders in August, 2007 finalizing the last steps of the NAU.

Since March, 2005, under the direction of three senior cabinet ministers of each country, about 100 working groups of unelected officials from government and industry have been meeting at taxpayer expense deciding on and directing the implementation of the restructuring of the apparatus of governance and the form of rule over the people. Their command goes out down the chain of bureaucracy expending vast amounts of taxpayer dollars implementing the changes in our border crossings, in our airports, on our airplanes, in our skies, on and to our roads and highways, in our personal identification systems, in our health, in our vaccines, over our food supplements, in our pesticide safety levels, in our schools and universities, in the exploitation of our natural resources-our rivers, lakes, oil, gas, in our environment, in the arms industry, in the manufacture and use of depleted uranium, in the exploitation of and experimentation on our indigenous people and our military personnel, in immigration, over our right of Habeus Corpus, in our right of due process, our right to assemble and our freedom of speech, etc., etc.

Government of the people, by the people, for the people has been eliminated while those people we have elected stand idly in the sidelines apparently blissfully oblivious, or deliberately careless of the termination of their policy making role except as a rubber stamp. Those we have elected have abused their responsibility to protect our power, the people's power. They have permitted an undemocratic elite to control them and the operation of government. It is by us, the general citizenry, that Members of Parliament and Members of Legislative Assemblies and city councillors,and Senators and congressmen are supposed to be ruled in all matters, not by the military/ industrial/ complex that General Dwight D. Eisenhower warned about on his final address to his nation. The Prime Minister and Presidents along with their most senior Cabinet members and officials really now do apply a "Divine Right of Kings" mentality to their role. They have metamorphosed into a cancer rotting the life out of our democracies.

For this reason the Canadian Action Party calls for electoral reform not just in how we elect candidates, but why and how the bureaucracy operates. In particular, we call for a curb on the exercise of power in the executive branch of government, and especially in the P.M.s office. This need is of paramount importance because it is the key to why and how three nations (Canada, USA, Mexico) are being dismantled.

Remember, if you believe in democratic accountable representation, there must be a universal franchise. Government of the people, by the people, for the people still is right. It is not government by officials of any organization or interest group whether public or private who are unelected by, unrepresentative, and unaccountable to the general public. We need to reform our government structure so that we can recall and replace any person we elect when they fail to keep their promise or do their duty to us, the citizenry; and, we also need to turn our executive arm of government back to being the servant of the citizens.

The Security and Prosperity Partnership Agreement (S.P.P) is deliberately not a formal international treaty such as NAFTA which is set out in a system of rule by international law. As a legal treaty the SPP would never have flown because it would have been exposed to scrutiny. It remains a work in progress agreement of incredible treacherous magnitude. It has already succeeded in implementing profound changes to three nations integrating the geographical region of North America. We do not even know the full extent of what has been completed or what little is left to be accomplished..

We know that a powerful think tank chaired by former Sen. Sam Nunn and guided by trustees including Richard Armitage, Zbigniew Brzezinski, Harold Brown, William Cohen and Henry Kissinger, is in the final stages of preparing a report to the White House and U.S. Congress on the benefits of integrating the U.S., Mexico and Canada into one political, economic and security bloc.

We know that the final report, published in English, Spanish and French, is scheduled for submission to all three governments by Sept. 30, according to the <http://www.csis.org/> Center for Strategic & International Studies.

We know that the data collected for the report is based on seven secret roundtable sessions involving between 21 and 45 people and conducted by CSIS. The participants are politicians, business people, labour leaders and academics from all three countries with equal representation.

We know all this because it is described in a CSIS report, <http://www.canadians.org/water/documents/NA_Future_2025.pdf> "North American Future 2025 Project."

It will be interesting to see who the think tank representatives will be that appear before our Canadian Parliament and how it is presented since so many of our Canadian MP's deny this integration is happening. They need to realize that the vote still works in Canada and if they want to be re-elected, they must repel the submissions for integration. In fact, their duty to us is to refuse to hear such a delegation. SInce when has it become lawful to entertain discussion or debate on any form of treason??

This kind of presentation by such influential players will likely be a formalization of the integration as a done deal.

We, the citizens, must demonstrate to our governments that we demand an end to the integration of North America . And, we must tell them we are not asking for a front row seat at our hanging party. We do not want to be involved or to have them involved in any negotiations or discussions or debate about how our nations are to die. We already know we do not want a North American Union, period!!! They must repel the formal instructions coming to them this fall from the shadow government.

In recognition of our sovereign democratic rights and powers as citizens promulgated by the respective founding fathers of three nations, the Canadian Action Party calls upon all Canadians to join with our neighbours in the USA and Mexico to stand and defend our distinctive nations, NOT TO CALL FOR DEBATE AND DISCUSSION ON INTEGRATION. We must DEMAND SOVEREIGNTY AND INDEPENDENCE We must make a sound and sight so that uninformed citizens can be alerted. How can we do this?

[Truth_and_Power]

Are you really talking as if it's the left that would push such a thing? I this you are showing your biases patrick. Clearly the neocons favor ruling as much of the world as possible.

[PatrickHenry]

It's neither left nor right. It's the political elite doing this and the left/right charade is a shell game to distract the gullible.


Please tell me you are aware of this fundamental fact, TaP...

[Truth_and_Power]

Yeah I'm satisfied with neither party and the dem's opposition only that for those stuck on hope.

[Mayberry]

Pat, I got this today from www.grassfire.org. If you have been scratching your head trying to figure out
why President Bush has pushed so hard for amnesty, here's
your "smoking gun."

An effort is underway to create a North American "framework"
that will all but eliminate hard borders between Mexico,
the U.S. and Canada. This "framework" includes a "trusted
travelers" program that allows "citizens of North America"
to move freely within the three countries.

No wonder the President is pushing amnesty!

On August 20-21, President Bush will join Mexican President
Calderon and Canadian Prime Minister Harper for the second
Security and Prosperity Partnership (SPP) summit.

The SPP is what many believe to be the beginnings of the
infrastructure for the North American Union. The SPP's
stated goal is to:

"...Consolidate our action into a North American
framework to confront security and economic challenges,
and promote the full potential of our people, addressing
disparities and increasing opportunities for all."

This tri-lateral agreement already has resulted in regulatory
changes and open borders initiatives that clearly undermine
our sovereignty. The SPP is the one touting the "trusted
travelers" program to encourage migration of "citizens of
North America."

[DANG]

This months "The Nation" has this awesome article:
The NAFTA Superhighway (http://www.thenation.com/doc/20070827/hayes)

http://img408.imageshack.us/img408/1952/naftasuperhub9.jpg

Its 5 pages... Read them all.
You'll be glad you did.
Especially you Texans.[hr]Here's the introductory blurb for The Nation story...The NAFTA Superhighway is a total myth. But the private Trans-Texas Corridor is all too real, foretelling a future America in which globalism and crony capitalism eclipse government as the provider of public services. Its like Diebold changing the name of their e-vote systems.
By calling The NAFTA Superhighway by another name.... its almost as if they arent DOING IT!

[DANG]

Saturday Mexicans will be taking trucking jobs away from Americans as NAFTA goes forward with destroying our sovereignity and borders.

We are all victims of the NWO, whether you like it or not, our treasure is being transferred to Mexico.
http://images.clickability.com/partners/162736/mainLogo.gif

LINK (http://www.printthis.clickability.com/pt/cpt?action=cpt&title=Teamsters+will+ask+courts+to+block+Mexican+t ruckers&expire=&urlID=23686965&fb=Y&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.freep.com%2Fapps%2Fpbcs.dll%2 Farticle%3FAID%3D%2F20070829%2FBUSINESS07%2F708290 50%2F1118%2FRSS&partnerID=162736)

Teamsters will ask courts to block Mexican truckers
August 29, 2007

ASSOCIATED PRESS


WASHINGTON — The Teamsters Union said today it will ask a federal appeals courts to block the Bush administration’s plan to begin allowing Mexican trucks to carry cargo anywhere in the United States.

The union said it has been told by officials in the U.S. Transportation Department’s Federal Motor Carrier Safety Administration that the first Mexican trucks will be coming across the border on Saturday.

Teamsters leaders said they planned to seek an emergency injunction today from the Ninth Circuit U.S. Court of Appeals in San Francisco.

“What a slap in the face to American workers, opening the highways to dangerous trucks on Labor Day weekend, one of the busiest driving weekends of the year,” said Teamsters President Jim Hoffa.

Joining the Teamsters in seeking the emergency stay were the Sierra Club and Public Citizen.

“Before providing unconditional access throughout the country to tens of thousands of big rigs we know little to nothing about, we must insure they meet safety and environmental standards,” Sierra Club executive director Carl Pope said.

more....

[BoogyMan]

Something's very fishy here, Mayberry.

I get blasted all the time for talking about conspiracy, but what else can you call it when there are elites from three nations conspiring against the working guy?

And setting up a superstate that no one in the underclass favors?

And the media thinks it isn't worth talking about? Where's all the right wing talking heads?[hr]Here's some video on the topic: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=brYWujMC-0k&mode=related&search=


I don't think you have been paying attention to those right wing talking heads PH, they have been having a hissy about the so-called "immigration reform" that was tabled by our president, and rightly so. The immigration push was the final straw for me and many others who have supported this president.

[DANG]

In post #12 above:
Saturday Mexicans will be taking trucking jobs away from Americans

No comments?

I am thinkin theres gonna be some violence this weekend.

We are talking about a million jobs LITERALLY going south!

[PatrickHenry]

Why? Why do the Federals think that they are gonna get away with this?

Truck drivers will NOT put up with it, IMO...

[Mayberry]

I dunno Pat. I expected to see trucker road blocks, etc... when the news first came out. But nothing happened. Hell, truckers protested when they upped the speed limit for cars, but not for trucks. I sure wish they would take a stand, but maybe the trucking companies have already squashed any rebellion with threats.

[PatrickHenry]

It may take a while to sink in and organize mass action...

[tony mitra]

I wonder if they will talk about merging the three currencies into a single "Amero", in line with the "Euro".

[PatrickHenry]

I wonder if they will talk about merging the three currencies into a single "Amero", in line with the "Euro".

Try google amero

[Mayberry]

I think we can now safely move this thread out of the "conspiracy theory" section:
I-69 route gains funds with federal recognition
$800K is available for studies
By Fanny S. Chirinos (Contact)
Originally published 04:51 a.m., September 13, 2007
Updated 04:51 a.m., September 13, 2007

The Interstate 69 corridor, a Mexico-to-Canada concept discussed since 1991, has received government recognition as a "corridor of the future," a designation that immediately means $800,000 in federal money for studies.

Local officials say it could mean more trade in South Texas.

The corridor -- a 2,680-mile international trade route from Mexico to Canada also known as the Trans-Texas Corridor-69 -- was one of two designated Tuesday as corridors of the future. Interstate 10 from California to Florida also received recognition.

Hailed as a route that would facilitate trade resulting from the North American Free Trade Agreement, I-69's Texas portion includes a corridor from Texarkana to Houston, then Victoria where it could branch out to Laredo, McAllen and/or Brownsville.

An environmental study, begun in 2004 to help determine the route from Victoria, is expected by the end of the year, said Frances Garza, a spokeswoman for the Texas Department of Transportation.

I-69 has been the subject of multiple studies. It has stalled because the state doesn't have the money to pay for it, transportation officials have said. Dick Messbarger, executive director of the Greater Kingsville Economic Development Council, said having any of the state highways achieve interstate designation would make those routes more attractive to shipping companies coming from Mexico and Canada. Interstates allow nonstop travel, with overpasses at intersections preventing the need for traffic lights or stop signs.

"(Achieving that designation) appears to us to be a much more achievable plan than tons of money coming in for I-69," Messbarger said. "The Valley is the largest population concentration area in the U.S. that doesn't have an interstate highway. That's the problem. Whether I-69 or some other corridor fixes it is not the point. It's getting it done."

The federal recognition of the project opens the door to more federal funding and might allow states to have more of a say in planning it, said Judy Hawley, a member of the Alliance of I-69's executive committee. A meeting of the alliance is scheduled on Friday in the Valley, she said.

"We're going to discuss, among other things, forming regional planning groups with the counties affected by this corridor," Hawley said. "There might be one, two or three groups come out of this that will have a lot of responsibility."

Responsibilities might include determining if parts of the proposed corridor are needed, the viability of those segments and how to fund those parts, Hawley said. Although U.S. highways 77 and 281 and State Highway 44 might become part of I-69, the point has been to have an interstate northward from the Rio Grande Valley.

"Whether it becomes I-69 or I-37 South doesn't matter, so long as we achieve interstate standards," Hawley said. I-69, how appropriate.:rolleyes: They've cloaked it as a need for the Rio Grande Valley (which the Valley really does not need an Interstate), but it's the NAFTA highway any way you look at it. US 77 is an excellent 4 lane road, and is not heavily travelled. there are only 2 stop lighted intersections from Kingsville to Raymondville, nearly 100 miles, and all other intersections have overpasses. US 77 is as good as an interstate already. North of Corpus Christi there are a few towns to go through along the way, but there are long stretches of open 4 lane highway. One interesting fact to note is, that a continuous interstate from the Valley would bypass the US Border Patrol checkpoint at Sarita, (where every single north bound vehicle must stop, 24/7) a checkpoint notorious for stopping tons of illegal drugs and hundreds of illegal aliens every year. http://www.caller.com/news/2007/sep/13/i-69-route-gains-funds-with-federal-recognition/

[gpruitt54]

Why is this topic relegated to the Government Conspiracy Theories section? Is it true that the administration is actually trying to create a North American Union or not?

[MAP2010.wireless]

I have seen this coming for along time now and even if its not in my life time its going to happen, It might just be the End of America as we know it.

I'm not say it coming tomorrow or the next day, but its something that will happen. There are Tons of people coming from Mexico, We will never stop them from coming here. So why not face facts, we will be one Nation.
Even if that means having to fix Mexico so they can stay and do good there. We keep Mexico up and running, without us they'd run out of money. Its just time before this happens.

[gpruitt54]

This ought to be a hot button issue.

If you are conservative, you want the US to remain a separate nation, correct? If you are a lefty, maybe not. Maybe you are willing to see a North American Superstate.

As a libertarian, I want government smaller, not bigger. And if you don't think NAU is on it's way, you ought to get up to speed with your research.

There's a little confab scheduled in Canada next month. And the security forces will be US military. The event will be closed to Canadian protest and in fact the locals can't even rent to groups that would be conducting seminars opposing this agenda.

http://globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=6424

So tell me you conservatives...are you in favor of free speech, protest activities and other dissent? Do you favor the use of US military to quell protest in our neighbor nations?

I just want to see what you're really made of.

Or if you "conservatives" are really closet totalitarians...


Who said that those who are left of center want to see the United States loose it identity? I know people from all points on the political compus, and none of them wants this country to loose its sovereignty.

Lets start out with the idea that all Americans want what is best for this country. Let us not assume that because someone is of a different political ilk, they then, by default, want to see this nation dissolved.

One of the big problems in this country today, is that some people and groups have discovered how to keep us fighting amongst ourselves. Which takes our attention off of what they are doing to this nation.

[PatrickHenry]

Who said that those who are left of center want to see the United States loose it identity? I know people from all points on the political compus, and none of them wants this country to loose its sovereignty.

Lets start out with the idea that all Americans want what is best for this country. Let us not assume that because someone is of a different political ilk, they then, by default, want to see this nation dissolved.

One of the big problems in this country today, is that some people and groups have discovered how to keep us fighting amongst ourselves. Which takes our attention off of what they are doing to this nation.
Believe me I seek common ground. But it seems like the left is the main repository for bigger and more intrusive government.

And as far I am concerned, America can take a hike. I despise the USA.

It is a robber nation with a very bad past. I live in a nation that was siezed, occupied and colonized by Uncle Sam a century ago. Hawaii.

I am in favor of smaller, more responsive government, not bigger and more imperial ambitions led by the political Overlords.

I would love to see America dissolved.

[gpruitt54]

Believe me I seek common ground. But it seems like the left is the main repository for bigger and more intrusive government.

And as far I am concerned, America can take a hike. I despise the USA.

It is a robber nation with a very bad past. I live in a nation that was siezed, occupied and colonized by Uncle Sam a century ago. Hawaii.

I am in favor of smaller, more responsive government, not bigger and more imperial ambitions led by the political Overlords.

I would love to see America dissolved.


You have been lead to ignore the huge expansion of government under this Right-Wing administration for nearly right years. This unprecedented expansion has occurred while Republicans held both houses of congress and the presidency. Yet, you still feel compelled to point to the other party and accuse them for loving big government. Unbelievable!

This is one of the most blindly lead statements I have ever heard. You are clearly ignoring the facts in front of you, in favor of the fallacy (lies) you prefer to hear. Or, maybe, it is simply much easier to believe lies over facts. After almost eight years, how can any of us ignore the fact that roles have changed. That republicans also love big government, as long as they control it. Also, that all people in power care only to have more power. Also, that they tell us whatever we want to hear as long as, at the end of the day, they hold the power.

Like I said in an earlier posting. People and groups have figured out how to keep us fighting among our selves, to distract their un-American deeds.

[PatrickHenry]

OK, Pruitt. I'll be hatin' on them elephants, too. The "other party" to me is the libertarian, green or constitution party, not the Demopublican, Republicrat or whatever you wanna call the Washington SuitMonsters these days...

My feelings for the Bush crowd are visceral.

What about losing America's sovereignty to an even bigger conglomeration, an even less accountable entity, a supergovernment?

[Trish]

And as far I am concerned, America can take a hike. I despise the USA.


I would love to see America dissolved.


Just an idle question here our of pure curiosity. If you despise the USA so much why stay? There are lots of other places you could go that perhaps would suit you better, or you wouldn't despise as much. I mean that's one of the good things about the US - no one MAKES you stay if you don't want to stay. You seem to have such an admiration for Chavez...perhaps Venezuela would be more suitable for you.

This isn't a jab at you - I'm honestly curious why anyone would stay somewhere they despised. I wouldn't.

[PatrickHenry]

Just an idle question here our of pure curiosity. If you despise the USA so much why stay? There are lots of other places you could go that perhaps would suit you better, or you wouldn't despise as much. I mean that's one of the good things about the US - no one MAKES you stay if you don't want to stay. You seem to have such an admiration for Chavez...perhaps Venezuela would be more suitable for you.

This isn't a jab at you - I'm honestly curious why anyone would stay somewhere they despised. I wouldn't.
I did leave...Texas... :evil:

[Trish]

Yes, but you're still in the US. I know, I know...Hawaii is a US occupied nation....*L* ...but it's still the US. So why stay there?

[PatrickHenry]

Yes, but you're still in the US. I know, I know...Hawaii is a US occupied nation....*L* ...but it's still the US. So why stay there?
You want me to move to Venezuela?

Why should I? Do you think that because I despise what the US has become that it is no longer my country?

LOL...some people stick with their drunken, loutish spouses, too!

But they hope to see them reform...

See, Trish, what is happening is the New World Order. There is no way to run away from it. So I have chosen to stay and fight! Capische?

[I Like Beer]

Why is this topic relegated to the Government Conspiracy Theories section? Is it true that the administration is actually trying to create a North American Union or not?

I don't know about the US, but from our end (Canada), this ain't happening.

[Athena]

This ought to be a hot button issue.

If you are conservative, you want the US to remain a separate nation, correct? If you are a lefty, maybe not. Maybe you are willing to see a North American Superstate.

As a libertarian, I want government smaller, not bigger. And if you don't think NAU is on it's way, you ought to get up to speed with your research.

There's a little confab scheduled in Canada next month. And the security forces will be US military. The event will be closed to Canadian protest and in fact the locals can't even rent to groups that would be conducting seminars opposing this agenda.

http://globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=6424

So tell me you conservatives...are you in favor of free speech, protest activities and other dissent? Do you favor the use of US military to quell protest in our neighbor nations?

I just want to see what you're really made of.

Or if you "conservatives" are really closet totalitarians...



Hum, sounds to me like the way some forums are managed. :ponder: Fortunately, we can choose the forums we participate in, but governments the size of the US government, acting to prevent freedom of speech, don't leave us much choice, unless there is another planet where we can start all over again.

[AmericanDreamer]

We are already there folks.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T74VA3xU0EA

[underdawg]

I am about as left leaning as you can get and I certainly am not in favor of the North American Union. I blame this on the media for under covering the more important news of the day and keeping us well informed of downwardly spiraling starlets like Brittany Spears.

[tony mitra]

I think Canada and USA are close enough and about as close as it can get. Merger is not in the cards, if I read Canadians correctly. Also, many Americans do not have a very strong opinion about Canada. Many have a more definite opinion, good or bad, about Mexico, and Cuba, perhaps.

By the way, today I was trying to figure out whats up with the world stock market, but got an earful of the spat between Ms Clinton and Mr. Obama. Whats up with them ?

[AmericanDreamer]

I am about as left leaning as you can get and I certainly am not in favor of the North American Union. I blame this on the media for under covering the more important news of the day and keeping us well informed of downwardly spiraling starlets like Brittany Spears.

I am also not in favor of it. Looks like all directions of the media kept it somewhat hush hush. Makes you think that they're all in one big bed.

[PatrickHenry]

It's not just theoretical or a windy conspiracy bleat.

The monetary union is being discussed by serious players.

http://globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=7854

So clearly, there is a move on toward a regional currency for North America, in conjunction with the formation of a North American Union. Monetary sovereignty, and especially the power to create and issue money, is perhaps more central to the idea of a free, democratic and sovereign nation than the right to vote. If we do not have the power over the issuance of money, it does not matter whom we vote for. It’s the Golden Rule: he who has the gold, makes the rules. We, as Canadians, and other peoples of their respective nations should never relinquish this sovereignty over to regional boards, private banks, or other unaccountable individuals. It is our right, not a privilege, and giving up such a right is akin to giving up the right to vote; it is anathema to democracy and a free society.

[gpruitt54]

I don't know about the US, but from our end (Canada), this ain't happening.



We are already there folks.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T74VA3xU0EA


I Like Beer:
You may have already seen this. But if you have not, please take a look at it. Some of us in the US are more than a little concerned about this kind of report. This report is not from some wack-job reporter, or conspiracy website. It is from a mainstream news program.

Comments please:

[Mr Jinx]

Is this Canada, USA and Mexico becoming one supernation or is this just an extension of NAFTA? I will assume the supernation.

I am very skeptical that either Mexico or Canada would be for it, since America would be the dominate party of the 3.

I would be all for it. All 3 nations have a lot of offer. This supernation would have an huge edge over EU, China and India. The US as the most industrial country in the world, Canada with its vast oil reserves and Mexico well its large workforce.

[gpruitt54]

I would be all for it. All 3 nations have a lot of offer. This supernation would have an huge edge over EU, China and India. The US as the most industrial country in the world, Canada with its vast oil reserves and Mexico well its large workforce.


What it equals is the extinction of this nation as we know it. If course if we, the US population of this nation are OK with a cheap labor force moving up from Mexico to replace US workers, then we are already lost and our decline is assured. This does not seem to benefit Americans. But rather benefits companies who are already sending jobs south of the boarder and to China.

You know what they say, follow the money.

Under this idea (in as much as it exists), the people of America are the losers and Companies, who no longer see themselves at Americans companies benefit.

That sucking sound you hear are jobs (AkA education, technical know-how, self-sustaining nation) going out of this country.

[potter]

This ought to be a hot button issue.

If you are conservative, you want the US to remain a separate nation, correct? If you are a lefty, maybe not. Maybe you are willing to see a North American Superstate.

As a libertarian, I want government smaller, not bigger. And if you don't think NAU is on it's way, you ought to get up to speed with your research.

There's a little confab scheduled in Canada next month. And the security forces will be US military. The event will be closed to Canadian protest and in fact the locals can't even rent to groups that would be conducting seminars opposing this agenda.

http://globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=6424

So tell me you conservatives...are you in favor of free speech, protest activities and other dissent? Do you favor the use of US military to quell protest in our neighbor nations?

I just want to see what you're really made of.

Or if you "conservatives" are really closet totalitarians...



Not a conservative but "yes" and an "BIG no"......

[Athena]

I think Canada and USA are close enough and about as close as it can get. Merger is not in the cards, if I read Canadians correctly. Also, many Americans do not have a very strong opinion about Canada. Many have a more definite opinion, good or bad, about Mexico, and Cuba, perhaps.

By the way, today I was trying to figure out whats up with the world stock market, but got an earful of the spat between Ms Clinton and Mr. Obama. Whats up with them ?


For me the issue has nothing to do with liking or not liking each other. What citizens are working towards a union? I think we are happy with things just the way they are, so why is there even talk of unions, and why before this talk began, did we take so much actions to close boarders? I hear it now takes a pass port to cross into Canada? We have to show ID to ride the Grey Hound bus, for God's sake. Something is happening, and it is not angry Arabs who scare me. Shoot with oil over $100 a barrel, someone using a bomb to blow a building, seems silly. Far greater damange can be done with the price of oil, than a bomb. Why did my government need to get in the middle of my medical care and pass a law preventing family from knowing about family? Something ominous is happening, and its not a few unhappy people who might destroy a building that I worry about. Conclusion, it isn't citizens pushing for unification and instigating this threatening build up of power.

[Mayberry]

Athena! You're back! I may have to jump back in here sooner than I had planned. I liked sparring with you! :clapper: