Bush Says People Choose Freedom

[ClayBarham]

In yesterday’s speech in Prague, President Bush said that, when people have the choice, they choose freedom. That has been a consistent message since America took the offensive in the fight against the Kali-worshipping Islamocrats. However, when it comes to America today, people no longer choose freedom. Today’s American has never known what it is like to be without freedom, so it is not valued. It is apparent that, in 2008, a majority of voting Americans will choose to rid America of freedom finally, by electing Democrats to run government. They will choose to redistribute the wealth of those who have enjoyed freedom. Four hundred years ago, Americans first tasted freedom and with it built a prosperous nation. Today, the burdens and responsibility to maintain freedom is distasteful to many Americans, and they want what others have worked to produce. They will elect their agents to take from those who have to give to those who have not.

[NortheastCynic]

The President displayed an incredible ignorance in human history when he said that. The entire Middle East favors some form of an Islamic theocracy, Russia has had two revolutions result in undemocratic regimes, South America is content with giving their chief executives dictatorial power. People oftentimes choose to be controlled instead of freedom.

As for America, Americans will elect either a Republican or a Democrat as President, either way, we'll be less free as a result.

-NC

[Truth_and_Power]

Clay - the patriot act is freedom? Or that's sacrificing freedom for the greater freedom of the future?

[ClayBarham]

Could be classed as self-defense, like putting an alarm on our homes and cars, even though it deprives some poor misunderstood poverty-stricken thief from breaking in, possibly killing someone in the home while just taking things he needs, sort-of-thing.

[ClayBarham]

Cynic:
I guess when people have no experience with freedom, like the people of Europe and Asia and Africa for all of the history of the world, they cannot conceive of it being of value. For that, I agree that Bush is wrong. As for America, we stumbled into it because a vacuum of leadership existed 400 years ago, and we liked it so much we codified it 150 years later and have tried to stick with it. Too many bleeding hearts and immigrants who have no experience with individual liberty (Jefferson warned us about that) entered the Country and have diluted the numbers believing in individual freedom. In 2008, Americans will finally tell the world that only a compassionate dictatorship is worth having, and President Evita, sorry, Hillary, will give us all her and Bill's compassion.

[Truth_and_Power]

Could be classed as self-defense, like putting an alarm on our homes and cars, even though it deprives some poor misunderstood poverty-stricken thief from breaking in, possibly killing someone in the home while just taking things he needs, sort-of-thing.


Well I guess as long as you classify everything correctly, there's no harm in any republican policies which deprive us of our rights and freedoms. If only you were as adept as classifying the actions of the democrats, we'd all be free forever.

[ClayBarham]

Well, you know Liberals despise the police in America for violating the civil rights of thieves and murderers who are only pursuing avenues to support their needs. I guess the Patriot Act, which took down that protective wall separating the intel gatherers from law enforcement, as a protection of the civil rights of what some of us think are bad guys, is a bad thing in your book. That was the part the Dems took more exception to, because the wire-tapping and all that listening to grandmothers talking to their grandchildren had been in play against drug cartels and organized crime for a long time. It is when they extend it to those nice folks who want to kill Americans wholesale that you take exception, i.e., to protect those peaceful Kali-worshipping Islamocrats....right?

[Truth_and_Power]

Well, you know Liberals despise the police in America for violating the civil rights of thieves and murderers who are only pursuing avenues to support their needs. I guess the Patriot Act, which took down that protective wall separating the intel gatherers from law enforcement, as a protection of the civil rights of what some of us think are bad guys, is a bad thing in your book. That was the part the Dems took more exception to, because the wire-tapping and all that listening to grandmothers talking to their grandchildren had been in play against drug cartels and organized crime for a long time. It is when they extend it to those nice folks who want to kill Americans wholesale that you take exception, i.e., to protect those peaceful Kali-worshipping Islamocrats....right?


If I thought we could trust the government to only use power against the bad guys, I'd vote for a dictator.

[ClayBarham]

You and many others, I'm afraid. Like the people of Germany did in the early thirties, when they voted for the guy who could take from those who have to give to those who have not.

[ViolaLee]

............. It is apparent that, in 2008, a majority of voting Americans will choose to rid America of freedom finally, by electing Democrats to run government.............


If we vote for Chris Dodd, he said the first thing he will do is restore our constitutional rights.

It's the Bush admin that is taking away our freedom. Not the Democrats running for President.

[ViolaLee]

Well, you know Liberals despise the police in America for violating the civil rights of thieves and murderers who are only pursuing avenues to support their needs. I guess the Patriot Act, which took down that protective wall separating the intel gatherers from law enforcement, as a protection of the civil rights of what some of us think are bad guys, is a bad thing in your book. That was the part the Dems took more exception to, because the wire-tapping and all that listening to grandmothers talking to their grandchildren had been in play against drug cartels and organized crime for a long time. It is when they extend it to those nice folks who want to kill Americans wholesale that you take exception, i.e., to protect those peaceful Kali-worshipping Islamocrats....right?

Where do you people get this bullshit from?

Stop rotting your brain with Hannity/Limbaugh/O'Reilly/FOX.

[Truth_and_Power]

You and many others, I'm afraid. Like the people of Germany did in the early thirties, when they voted for the guy who could take from those who have to give to those who have not.


I said IF, and no, I don't trust the government or its corporate backers.

[ClayBarham]

Viola.ee:
You are kidding, right? You mean you never heard of the wall of separation that the Patriot Act tore down? It was even in the 911 commission report. From the time Senator Frank Church from Idaho started attacking and tearing down our intelligence-gathering capabilities in the fifties, and LBJ's shutting down the military intelligence efforts in the sixties, the closing of the HCUA and Senate oversight committee, we were virtually blind to knowing beforehand if and when violent anti-American groups were going to blow something up. Under Clinton, if the crippled intelligence groups did discover something afoot, they were prohibited from bringing it to the attention of law enforcement. Is there any wonder the Towers were hit twice? Now, if you need me to site sources, I would suggest you research it. I lived through it as ex-Army CIC and I watched all the field files confiscated, many destroyed, by the FBI. I am no Bush booster, but his administration and the Patriot Act tried to rectify this self-imposed blindness.

[Yushimi]

You and many others, I'm afraid. Like the people of Germany did in the early thirties, when they voted for the guy who could take from those who have to give to those who have not.


Hitler lied and said that they would be free, and they would be rid of the burdens. Its actually alot like what Bush says. He calls Islamics the "Evil" people.

[wonder cow]

The patriot act is shit. The fact they named it the "patriot" act should be evidence in and of itself. Keep in mind that almost all of the alleged political opposition to Bush (Dems) openly and without hesitation supported this absurd and unnecessary increase in government power. Only once Bush's poll numbers started dropping did they start having "second thoughts".

I fully expect morons of Bush's ilk to advocate more power for themselves at the expense of our Democratic traditions. It saddens me that there were so few honorable people in Congress willing to make a courageous stand and, if need be, sacrifice their political careers to do the right thing.

[PatrickHenry]

I want freedom. Freedom FROM America. Free Hawaii, now!

[underdawg]

It seems so silly that people who claim to love freedom so much would be so willing to sacrifice that freedom for a sense of security.

[ClayBarham]

Dodd's words make me feel everyone's pain, even though his actions do not fit his words. I remember his Father, a real crook! But, that's OK if he says he will guide us and take us where we want to go, and once we put him in the driver's seat, he takes us in the same direction he has been going right along. I can understand your wanting to take from those to give to those who have not, one of his positions, but, like all liberals, you don't want him to touch what you have.

[tony mitra]

That has been a consistent message since America took the offensive in the fight against the Kali-worshipping Islamocrats.


That's an amazing opening statement. I do not know what constitutes an "Islamocrat", but I do know Muslims believe in one God that that is Allah.

Kali, on the other hand, is just one (incarnation) of a plethora of Gods and Goddesses that are worshipped by Hindu people of India. As it happens, Kali is considered to be a Goddess of War, or destruction, or conflict, or even power, depending on your interpretation.

Either way, I find it fascinating that America has taken the offensive against a non-existing entity, an Muslim that also worships the Hindu Goddess Kali.

Perhaps the next target of America might be Jesus-worshipping Buddhacrats or a Buddha-worshipping Hinducrat? How about a Mohammad-worshipping Judeoocrat?

Cheers.

[Buck Laser]

That has been a consistent message since America took the offensive in the fight against the Kali-worshipping Islamocrats.


That's an amazing opening statement. I do not know what constitutes an "Islamocrat", but I do know Muslims believe in one God that that is Allah.

Kali, on the other hand, is just one (incarnation) of a plethora of Gods and Goddesses that are worshipped by Hindu people of India. As it happens, Kali is considered to be a Goddess of War, or destruction, or conflict, or even power, depending on your interpretation.

Either way, I find it fascinating that America has taken the offensive against a non-existing entity, an Muslim that also worships the Hindu Goddess Kali.

Perhaps the next target of America might be Jesus-worshipping Buddhacrats or a Buddha-worshipping Hinducrat? How about a Mohammad-worshipping Judeoocrat?

Cheers.


Good for you, Tony! I missed that when this thread first came up. Clay actually accused Muslims of worshipping Kali? :madlaugh: I knew he was working out of a serious misunderstanding of American history, but I didn't realize that he was so utterly ill-informed about world religions as well.

Whatever else one may believe about Islam, it is the most radically monotheistic of any of the world's religions. To a thinking Muslim, Christianity's dogma of the Trinity is most troubling. Ah, well, this is just further evidence that Mr. Barham's ideas are ungrounded in reality.

[NortheastCynic]

If we vote for Chris Dodd, he said the first thing he will do is restore our constitutional rights.
Just out of curiosity, how would he go about doing that?

It's the Bush admin that is taking away our freedom. Not the Democrats running for President.I'd say he had a great deal of help from Congress, which is made up of Democrats and Republicans alike.

-NC

[dgun]

Bush Says People Choose Freedom

Bush is an idiot. When given a choice, most choose to be slaves.

If people want political freedom and individual liberty, they will get it themselves. And then they will keep it. Otherwise, they don't have the national will to maintain a liberal system.

[JohnnyAwake]

In yesterday’s speech in Prague, President Bush said that, when people have the choice, they choose freedom. That has been a consistent message since America took the offensive in the fight against the Kali-worshipping Islamocrats. However, when it comes to America today, people no longer choose freedom. Today’s American has never known what it is like to be without freedom, so it is not valued. It is apparent that, in 2008, a majority of voting Americans will choose to rid America of freedom finally, by electing Democrats to run government. They will choose to redistribute the wealth of those who have enjoyed freedom. Four hundred years ago, Americans first tasted freedom and with it built a prosperous nation. Today, the burdens and responsibility to maintain freedom is distasteful to many Americans, and they want what others have worked to produce. They will elect their agents to take from those who have to give to those who have not.


Are we really that evil? Well I guess you're doomed. Better get on that raft and start paddling.

[lawless168]

Bush Says People Choose Freedom

Bush is an idiot. When given a choice, most choose to be slaves.

If people want political freedom and individual liberty, they will get it themselves. And then they will keep it. Otherwise, they don't have the national will to maintain a liberal system.


or the guns ...

YANGON, Myanmar - Myanmar security forces opened fire on Buddhist monks and other pro-democracy demonstrators Wednesday for the first time in a month of anti-government protests, killing at least one man and wounding others in chaotic confrontations across Yangon

Dramatic images of the protests, many transmitted from the secretive Southeast Asian nation by dissidents using cell phones and the Internet, riveted world attention on the escalating faceoff between the military regime and its opponents.

Clouds of tear gas and smoke from fires hung over streets, and defiant protesters and even bystanders pelted police with bottles and rocks in some places. Onlookers helped monks escape arrest by bundling them into taxis and other vehicles and shouting "Go, go, go, run!"

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070926/ap_on_re_as/myanmar

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_SxZc1mXHos