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ViolaLee
06-02-2007, 08:23 PM
There’s only one thing worse than sacking an honest prosecutor. That’s replacing an honest prosecutor with a criminal. Link (http://www.gregpalast.com/bushs-new-us-attorney-a-criminal/)

Tim Griffin was the US attorney meant to replace Bud Cummins in Arkansas. Tim Griffin is Karl Rove's buddy. He resigned this week because House Judiciary Chairman John Conyers requested the BBC documents on Griffin’s involvement in ‘caging voters.’

Rep. Linda Sanchez, D-Calif., asked Goodling to “explain what caging is,” clarifying that she was unfamiliar with the term. Goodling fumbled around, muttered something about, “it’s a direct-mail term, that people who do direct mail, when, when they separate addresses that may be good versus addresses that may be bad,” then made sure to end with, “I don’t … I believe that Mr. Griffin doesn’t believe that he, that he did anything wrong there and there, there actually is a very good reason for it, for a very good explanation.” Which explanation Goodling did not then provide.

To recap, Goodling told the judiciary committee that: 1) Griffin was possibly involved in caging; 2) he doesn’t believe he did anything wrong (she is less certain, it seems); and 3) McNulty lied under oath when he downplayed his knowledge of these allegations to the committee.

That would suggest that vote caging is a big deal. Is it?

Vote caging is an illegal trick to suppress minority voters (who tend to vote Democrat) by getting them knocked off the voter rolls if they fail to answer registered mail sent to homes they aren’t living at (because they are, say, at college or at war).

The Bush-Cheney operatives sent hundreds of thousands of letters marked “Do not forward” to voters’ homes. Letters returned (”caged”) were used as evidence to block these voters’ right to cast a ballot on grounds they were registered at phony addresses. Who were the evil fakers? Homeless men, students on vacation and—you got to love this—American soldiers. Oh yeah: most of them are Black voters.

Why weren’t these African-American voters home when the Republican letters arrived? The homeless men were on park benches, the students were on vacation—and the soldiers were overseas. Source (http://www.gregpalast.com/raging-caging-what-the-heck-is-vote-caging-and-why-should-we-care/#more-1744)

The Griffin scheme was sickly brilliant. We learned that the RNC sent first-class letters to new voters in minority precincts marked, “Do not forward.” Several sheets contained nothing but soldiers, other sheets, homeless shelters. Targets included the Jacksonville Naval Air Station in Florida and that city’s State Street Rescue Mission. Another target, Edward Waters College, a school for African-Americans.

If these voters were not currently at their home voting address, they were tagged as “suspect” and their registration wiped out or their ballot challenged and not counted. Of course, these ‘cages’ captured thousands of students, the homeless and those in the military though they are legitimate voters.
We telephoned those on the hit list, including one Randall Prausa. His wife admitted he wasn’t living at his voting address: Randall was a soldier shipped overseas.

Randall and other soldiers like him who sent in absentee ballots, when challenged, would lose their vote. And they wouldn’t even know it. link (http://www.gregpalast.com/bushs-new-us-attorney-a-criminal/)

Not only has the US Attorney firings investigation shown us that Gonzales is a horrible AG, now we are finding out about GOP and RNC, Karl Rove related voter fraud. Republicans can't win elections anymore unless they cheat?

ECW
06-02-2007, 11:15 PM
I've known about them cheating to win elections since.... 2000.

ViolaLee
06-03-2007, 03:47 AM
I've known about them cheating to win elections since.... 2000.
Well, me too, and now the details are emerging. Stinking, cheating, lying RNC, Rove, GOP.

Unless the Republican party casts off this leech, they will go down in flames. Why aren't Republicans more angry about this? Do they think they can cover it up and make it go away? Each week new dishonesty is shown. There's a pile so high, congress doesn't know where to start.

Labrocca
06-03-2007, 07:06 AM
I read the whole story. It's speculation at best of whether any crime was committed. It would need to be investigated before a judgement could be made.

Churchel
06-03-2007, 09:04 AM
I read the whole story. It's speculation at best of whether any crime was committed. It would need to be investigated before a judgement could be made.


If he resigned over it he must not thought it was the right thing to do. I am suspecting we can agree about that.

ECW
08-13-2007, 03:50 PM
I read the whole story. It's speculation at best of whether any crime was committed. It would need to be investigated before a judgement could be made.


And now that Bush's brain is a civilian it would be the perfect time to start just such an investigation. Trust me, Lab, you are not going to like how this one turns out. There is no bottom to the level that the GOP will stoop to win elections anymore.

Deadshot
08-13-2007, 05:08 PM
Would anyone be suprised if this were true? And if it were, what really could be done about it, besides making sure it can't happen again?

This is a shrug moment. Stop the caging, but I don't believe that anyone will be punished here...

ViolaLee
08-13-2007, 05:31 PM
No one in the Bush admin will ever be punished for anything as long as Gonzales is the head law enforcer in the country.

Drocket
08-13-2007, 06:50 PM
And if it were, what really could be done about it, besides making sure it can't happen again?

You say that as though making sure it won't happen again isn't important.

preservanation
08-14-2007, 12:07 AM
Would anyone be suprised if this were true? And if it were, what really could be done about it, besides making sure it can't happen again?

This is a shrug moment. Stop the caging, but I don't believe that anyone will be punished here...

Anything can be true in the lib world

Just try

ECW
08-14-2007, 02:57 AM
If that were true, we would be looking at impeachment right about now.

In the long run, I'll settle for damaging their reputations and that of the GOP so badly that they remain a minority party for the next 25 years or so. Wait until the next Democratic president gets in, puts honest US Attorneys to work and round up all the SOBs for a stint in the clink after they have been found guilty at a speedy trial, of course.

preservanation
08-14-2007, 02:59 AM
If the Dems don't extract Soros from their ass they are looking into a barren political wasteland.
Ignore this fact at your own peril.

bobbylien
08-14-2007, 03:51 AM
Preserve, just stop now.. I can't imagine the mods will put up with this for long. Are you looking to get banned or having a really bad day?

preservanation
08-14-2007, 04:01 AM
I doubt they will ban me for astute political analysis, but one never knows.

ECW
08-14-2007, 05:47 AM
I doubt they will ban me for astute political analysis, but one never knows.


I'm glad you told us what that was. I thought you were just copying it out of Chesswarsnow's playbook. He said the same exact thing before the last election and look how that turned out.