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lily
05-29-2007, 11:30 PM
Seems like they are stuck between a rock and a hardplace. Can Thompson be their savior? (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/18881808?from=rss/site/newsweek/?rf=nwnewsletter)

In Search of a Political Savior
Evangelicals aren't flocking to the GOP front runners, and don't know where
to turn.



By Eve Conant
Newsweek
June 4, 2007 issue - They'd come to pay their respects to the past, but the
talk soon turned to the future. The country's leading conservative
Christians convened in Lynchburg, Va., last week to bury the Rev. Jerry
Falwell, the televangelist who, decades ago, fused politics and religion and
helped define the GOP as the party of the faithful. Now, as the mourners
straggled out of the church, some wondered aloud about the 2008 presidential
election. Did any of the 10 Republican candidates deserve their coveted
blessing? "Ralph Reed asked me who I was interested in," says Richard
Viguerie, the longtime conservative political consultant. Viguerie had no
good answer. He turned the question back on Reed, a Republican operative who
once led the Christian Coalition. Reed shrugged his shoulders. "There's just
nobody out there," says Viguerie.


Surveying the crowded GOP field, many evangelicals are feeling unloved, and
unsettled. Conservative Christians were crucial in sending George W. Bush to
the White House—and were even more important to his narrow re-election in
2004—but many evangelical leaders complain that he hasn't shown much thanks,
and their devotion to the born-again president is waning. They are
disappointed that he has abandoned his election-year promise to push for an
anti-gay-marriage amendment, even as Dick Cheney is posing for pictures with
the newborn son of his lesbian daughter and her partner. Though Bush talked
a lot during the campaign about the "culture of life," many Christian
conservatives do not believe he uses his bully pulpit enough to denounce
abortion. Disappointment in Bush is now translating into deep skepticism
among evangelicals about the men who are vying to succeed him. So far, the
leading GOP candidates leave them cold. Front runner Rudy Giuliani is
tainted by his messy divorces and support for abortion rights—a deal breaker
for Christian conservatives. McCain is against abortion, but evangelical
leaders haven't forgotten that he denounced them as "agents of intolerance"
back in 2000. His campaign-reform bill is also deeply unpopular among
religious interest groups.

The others aren't any more appealing. Former Massachusetts governor Mitt
Romney looks presidential and says all the right things, but many
evangelicals say his rightward drift on the issues smacks of political
opportunism. "Sure, Ronald Reagan changed his mind on abortion," says
Viguerie. "But not on 25 other things, too." Another issue is his Mormonism.
The Southern Baptist Convention's Richard Land joined a dozen other
evangelicals in a private meeting at Romney's home last October. "I told
him: you need to give the 1960 Kennedy speech, when he said, 'I'm not a
Catholic candidate, I'm the Democratic candidate'." But so far Romney has
failed to convince evangelicals that he is one of them. Some in the
religious right talked up Sam Brownback and Mike Huckabee, sturdy
conservatives with impeccable Christian credentials. But their campaigns
have gone nowhere.

Labrocca
05-29-2007, 11:34 PM
Well personally...I am hoping the GOP can wrestle away some of it's power from the religious right. It's done nothing but cause more harm than good. I consider myself a conservative but not religious politically. I think the death of Falwell and Bush being too pleasing to the religious right and hated by the left that the GOP base will hopefully lean more central ala Rudy G. The last thing this country needs imho is another radical type President that's polarized and does nothing but push the politcal landscape further into a left-right situation. Bush was voted in as a crosser of bridges and so far...he has only burned them down.

lily
05-29-2007, 11:37 PM
Well personally...I am hoping the GOP can wrestle away some of it's power from the religious right. It's done nothing but cause more harm than good. I consider myself a conservative but not religious politically. I think the death of Falwell and Bush being too pleasing to the religious right and hated by the left that the GOP base will hopefully lean more central ala Rudy G. The last thing this country needs imho is another radical type President that's polarized and does nothing but push the politcal landscape further into a left-right situation. Bush was voted in as a crosser of bridges and so far...he has only burned them down.


Well, it seems the Religious Right is not all that pleased with Bush. I'm curious, how do you see Rudy leaning more central? He's for gay rights, abortion (I even believe state funded, but I'd have to check) and for gun rights. I don't think any Repbulican left, right or center would be willing to seel their soul and vote for Rudy.

preservanation
06-01-2007, 05:56 PM
No matter who the GOP puts up, I would never stay home and cede the election and this nation to socialists.

Red Dragon
06-02-2007, 02:38 AM
No matter who the GOP puts up, I would never stay home and cede the election and this nation to socialists.


Okay I see you don't like the economic left, but just for clarification not all democrats are socialists. With them being in the social area at the center left and in regards to fiscal concerns they're centrists. Though some of them are Social liberals they reject the more radical forms of socialism and emphasize what is usually called "Positive liberty". Just thought I would make that clear.

PatrickHenry
06-05-2007, 07:01 PM
You're talking GOP here, right lily?

Who has announced for that nomination?
Here's the Wiki article on who's running and who's not. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2008_Republican_presidential_candidates

I like the honest guy. Ron Paul. He'd probably gain the evangelical right voter, and his reversal on foreign policy is what the nation needs.

Buck Laser
06-05-2007, 08:40 PM
You're talking GOP here, right lily?

Who has announced for that nomination?
Here's the Wiki article on who's running and who's not. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2008_Republican_presidential_candidates

I like the honest guy. Ron Paul. He'd probably gain the evangelical right voter, and his reversal on foreign policy is what the nation needs.

I think you're wrong here, Patrick. As a libertarian, Paul is opposed to laws regulating personal behavior, including laws against gay marriage, abortion, and recreational drugs. Evangelicals, for the most part, tend to be single issue voters: furthermore, most of them believe in the War Against Iraq with evangelical fervor. When Rudy, or whoever it was, denounced him for his foreign policy ideas, the doofii on Free Republic cheered. Admitted, some of the Freepers like him, but not many. He does have a certain appeal to us liberal republicans as well, but I think he's got as much chance as Dennis Kucinich of grabbing the nomination.

NortheastCynic
06-05-2007, 08:42 PM
I'm with Buck, Patrick. The Evangelicals cannot understand the concept of thinking something is immoral while simultaneously thinking it should be legal. Paul has no chance at winning the primary, despite the fact that he would win a general election easily.

-NC

PatrickHenry
06-05-2007, 08:58 PM
I think you're wrong here, Patrick. As a libertarian, Paul is opposed to laws regulating personal behavior, including laws against gay marriage, abortion, and recreational drugs. Evangelicals, for the most part, tend to be single issue voters: furthermore, most of them believe in the War Against Iraq with evangelical fervor. When Rudy, or whoever it was, denounced him for his foreign policy ideas, the doofii on Free Republic cheered. Admitted, some of the Freepers like him, but not many. He does have a certain appeal to us liberal republicans as well, but I think he's got as much chance as Dennis Kucinich of grabbing the nomination.
Which single issue do you think might be the motivator for the evangelical right, Buck? Or would it be an individual issue for each individual voter, and no way to generalize?

The reason I ask is that I am a member of another forum of Christian Constitutionalists who are even more fervently faithful than I am. Granted, that most of them are opposed to foreign interventionism, they seem to be sending approval signals for Rep Paul, based on his domestic agenda of smaller government.

I don't think Paul favors abortion, just says that it's not Washington's place to regulate it and the question should be left to the states as required by the tenth amendment.

You may be correct that the overlords will not permit his candidacy to advance. Do you think his antipathy to the Iraq war is a net plus or a minus for a national Presidential candidate? In other words, don't you think that the voting public is ready for a new foreign policy course?

Buck Laser
06-05-2007, 10:34 PM
Which single issue do you think might be the motivator for the evangelical right, Buck? Or would it be an individual issue for each individual voter, and no way to generalize?

The reason I ask is that I am a member of another forum of Christian Constitutionalists who are even more fervently faithful than I am. Granted, that most of them are opposed to foreign interventionism, they seem to be sending approval signals for Rep Paul, based on his domestic agenda of smaller government.

I don't think Paul favors abortion, just says that it's not Washington's place to regulate it and the question should be left to the states as required by the tenth amendment.

You may be correct that the overlords will not permit his candidacy to advance. Do you think his antipathy to the Iraq war is a net plus or a minus for a national Presidential candidate? In other words, don't you think that the voting public is ready for a new foreign policy course?

Not being a libertarian myself, I can't speak to the questions you raise. As a lifelong liberal pragmatic republican, I have a hard time with the ideological rigor of libertarianism, though I respect many of its views on individual freedom. I am horrified, however, at the results so far of deregulation of various industries, the so-called "free-trade" treaties, and the overweening power that global corporations have wielded over national interests.

lily
06-06-2007, 01:46 AM
You're talking GOP here, right lily?

Who has announced for that nomination?
Here's the Wiki article on who's running and who's not. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2008_Republican_presidential_candidates

I'm taling about the faces that I see on TV daily and those who have participated in the debates so far.

I like the honest guy. Ron Paul. He'd probably gain the evangelical right voter, and his reversal on foreign policy is what the nation needs.

I like him too.......someone should have told him that honesty is not going to get you the nomination.