New Books Expose the Clintons

[Survivor]

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0507/4198.html

[lily]

First World Net Daily and now Politico........I see a pattern here. Why not post some thoughts instead of just dropping links?

[Buck Laser]

same old, same old. and to be expected as the republicans reach desperation.

[Survivor]

And the pattern is......?

[lily]

The pattern is right wing leaning websites, which in itself there is nothing wrong with......world net daily isn't really known for repoting the truth...... I'd just like to know your thoughts on the links you keep posting.

[Survivor]

Well, Lily, I will try to find some left-leaning websites of which there are plenty, but I think it is possible to report the truth since basically the conservative websites appear to be out-numbered.

I realize, however, that many of the loyal extremists on both sides seem to be re-thinking their views.

[Phyxius]

Well, Lily, I will try to find some left-leaning websites of which there are plenty, but I think it is possible to report the truth since basically the conservative websites appear to be out-numbered.

Yet, oddly enough, it seems to be the right-leaning mouthpieces making the most noise. Why is that?

[lily]

Survivor, in all honesty I don't care if you post from left, right or in the middle. I was just stating my opinion on the 2 links you posted today. It's kind of hard to have a discussion with a link. I'd just like your opinion on the links when you post them. It's not required, but I just thought it would be intersting to have a debate.

[Survivor]

Most of the links I post contain articles that are rather lengthy, and would take up considerable bandwidth. I really am not acquainted enough here with anyone to know whether the majority of views are "left" or "right". Mostly, it seems there is an antagonistic view with the perceived content of some of my posts. I think the news reports of the conservative reporters are better written than others, although I could not readily identify the left or "liberal" views. I agree with the statements of some Democrats and some Republicans, and if I locate a fairly unbiased article about immigration, would be happy to post along with my views for and against.

[CheesyMuslim]

Sorry bout that,

1. Yeah, post a few words, just so we know where you stand.
2. Otherwise, we can all just do a linkwars, thing.
3. Posting links to battle other links, to battle other links.
4. You get the meaning eh folks?

Regards,
SirJamesofTexas

[lily]

Most of the links I post contain articles that are rather lengthy, and would take up considerable bandwidth. I really am not acquainted enough here with anyone to know whether the majority of views are "left" or "right". Mostly, it seems there is an antagonistic view with the perceived content of some of my posts. I think the news reports of the conservative reporters are better written than others, although I could not readily identify the left or "liberal" views. I agree with the statements of some Democrats and some Republicans, and if I locate a fairly unbiased article about immigration, would be happy to post along with my views for and against.


Sounds fair enough. You're new and I was just trying to help. Get your feet wet and do what you feel comfortable with, before you jump in the water. I don't mean to rush you. I'd just rather be debating with you than about you.;)

[Survivor]

My views about the Clinton books are that I am glad someone is trying to expose the situations pertaining to the presidency of the Clintons. I don't think Mrs. Clinton would have refrained from a divorce except for her basking in the "martyr" status so she could enhance her chances for election to higher political office. What do you think about that? I realize there will probably be a respectable amount of books trying to attack the credibility of the current President Bush and other perceived conservatives, however, since President Bush is not a candidate in the next election, must books trying to debase his character would not be as productive, even if true, as would books about other conservative candidates.

[lily]

So she used her husband for political gain......and I honestly think she did and to not hurt her daughter, who seems to be very close to Bill. I don't see what the problem is. Wives stay with their husbands for far less.

[Survivor]

There are children of divorced families who are very well adjusted. Their daughter isn't known to give interviews, so it is not really possible to know what she thinks.

There are many issues during the Clinton era that were not thoroughly investigated, like the Vince Foster disappearance and although I do not know whether this and other issues are covered in the current books about the Clintons, there are other questions, like the missing FBI files and contributions from Charlie Tree, a foreigner although there are laws on the books against accepting campaign contributions from foreign governments. Although much of what is said of the Clintons may be hearsay, there appears to be credibilty to some of the reports, because what would be the motive of those whose stories match who did not basically have a dog in the fight?

[lily]

There are children of divorced families who are very well adjusted. Their daughter isn't known to give interviews, so it is not really possible to know what she thinks.

Nope, she doesn't give interviews, but I've seen pictures and she adores him. Doesn't every girl favor their father?

There are many issues during the Clinton era that were not thoroughly investigated, like the Vince Foster disappearance and although I do not know whether this and other issues are covered in the current books about the Clintons, there are other questions, like the missing FBI files and contributions from Charlie Tree, a foreigner although there are laws on the books against accepting campaign contributions from foreign governments. Although much of what is said of the Clintons may be hearsay, there appears to be credibilty to some of the reports, because what would be the motive of those whose stories match who did not basically have a dog in the fight?

Well, I'm sure all that and a bag of chips will come out in campaign smears.

[plumbjim]

1. Uh, yes, I guess.
2. absolutely maybe.
3. What a waist of bandwidth huh?
4. You know what I mean?

[Drocket]

There are many issues during the Clinton era that were not thoroughly investigated, like the Vince Foster disappearance

Um, he didn't disappear - he committed suicide. And yes, it was investigated. Many, many, many times because Clinton-hating conspiracy theorists (Rush Limbaugh leading the pack) kept whining about it. It was investigated by the DC police (several times), by the FBI (again, several times), Congressional hearings were held on it, Ken Starr investigated it (what it had to do with Whitewater, which is what he was hired to investigate, God only knows. That didn't stop him from investigating Bill's BJ either, though). A few of the more crazed conspiracy theorists even hired private detectives to investigate the matter. And every single solitary investigation came out to the same conclusion - suicide.

The Vince Foster "mystery" is pretty much the Clinton conspiracy group in a nutshell - a huge complicated involved story built up around something that everyone who's ever actually studied it has poo-pooed. That doesn't seem to stop the Clinton-haters, though, who will spend the next 50 years writing books, making shit up as they go along.

[Drocket]

Oh, and I find the rumors of the Clintons "considering divorce" to be rather amusing. Seriously, anyone who's been married for more than a year has considered divorce. I'll go further than that - anyone who's been married for more than 3 years has seriously considered exactly what would happen if their spouse would 'disappear'. It just what you do when it's 3AM and you can't sleep because the asshole laying next to you is taking up most of the bed and hogging all the covers. It doesn't mean you don't love each other, though.

Every couple has problems. Some couples are able to work them out, others can't. But, of course, the Clintons don't count in that category because they're evil, soulless, power-hungry monsters, right?

[Survivor]

There are many issues during the Clinton era that were not thoroughly investigated, like the Vince Foster disappearance

Um, he didn't disappear - he committed suicide. And yes, it was investigated. Many, many, many times because Clinton-hating conspiracy theorists (Rush Limbaugh leading the pack) kept whining about it. It was investigated by the DC police (several times), by the FBI (again, several times), Congressional hearings were held on it, Ken Starr investigated it (what it had to do with Whitewater, which is what he was hired to investigate, God only knows. That didn't stop him from investigating Bill's BJ either, though). A few of the more crazed conspiracy theorists even hired private detectives to investigate the matter. And every single solitary investigation came out to the same conclusion - suicide.According to this theory, Oswald was the lone gunman who shot President Kennedy. After all, there was the Warren Commission and other investigations. I sure can rest well knowing there wasn't a conspiracy with Kennedy's assassination.

[Buck Laser]

There are many issues during the Clinton era that were not thoroughly investigated, like the Vince Foster disappearance

Um, he didn't disappear - he committed suicide. And yes, it was investigated. Many, many, many times because Clinton-hating conspiracy theorists (Rush Limbaugh leading the pack) kept whining about it. It was investigated by the DC police (several times), by the FBI (again, several times), Congressional hearings were held on it, Ken Starr investigated it (what it had to do with Whitewater, which is what he was hired to investigate, God only knows. That didn't stop him from investigating Bill's BJ either, though). A few of the more crazed conspiracy theorists even hired private detectives to investigate the matter. And every single solitary investigation came out to the same conclusion - suicide.According to this theory, Oswald was the lone gunman who shot President Kennedy. After all, there was the Warren Commission and other investigations. I sure can rest well knowing there wasn't a conspiracy with Kennedy's assassination.


Survivor, changing the subject like that is a dumbassed way of admitting defeat. I knew you were in over your head when you talked about the Vince Foster "disappearance." Just a suggestion, but it might be a good idea to bone up on a little history before you pontificate.:P

By the way, the sun shines more on the unjust than on the just, because the unjust stole the just's umbrellas!

[Survivor]

There are many issues during the Clinton era that were not thoroughly investigated, like the Vince Foster disappearance

Um, he didn't disappear - he committed suicide. And yes, it was investigated. Many, many, many times because Clinton-hating conspiracy theorists (Rush Limbaugh leading the pack) kept whining about it. It was investigated by the DC police (several times), by the FBI (again, several times), Congressional hearings were held on it, Ken Starr investigated it (what it had to do with Whitewater, which is what he was hired to investigate, God only knows. That didn't stop him from investigating Bill's BJ either, though). A few of the more crazed conspiracy theorists even hired private detectives to investigate the matter. And every single solitary investigation came out to the same conclusion - suicide.According to this theory, Oswald was the lone gunman who shot President Kennedy. After all, there was the Warren Commission and other investigations. I sure can rest well knowing there wasn't a conspiracy with Kennedy's assassination.
Survivor, changing the subject like that is a dumbassed way of admitting defeat. I knew you were in over your head when you talked about the Vince Foster "disappearance." Just a suggestion, but it might be a good idea to bone up on a little history before you pontificate.:P
Buck Laser, the illiterate often use such words as your "dumbassed" to expose their ignorance. Which just proves I am close to the truth. Changing the subject is not the same as an allegory, and I did not ask you for a contradiction or interpretation of my comments or signature. I don't "get" your motorcycle crash, but that is your business.

[Drocket]

Yet you were entirely wrong about his 'disappearance' - he didn't disappear. He died. Your claim that he 'disappeared' proves that you lack even the basic outline of what happened.

[Survivor]

Yet you were entirely wrong about his 'disappearance' - he didn't disappear. He died. Your claim that he 'disappeared' proves that you lack even the basic outline of what happened.
So what do we have here? A lesson in semantics? At first he was thought to have disappeared and later claimed a suicide.

It was originally claimed Chandra Levy disappeared until her body was located. This is not an effort to change the subject, but just to clarify.

[Drocket]

So what do we have here? A lesson in semantics? At first he was thought to have disappeared and later claimed a suicide.

That was like 14 years ago. When you have maybe a few hours of 'disappeared because they haven't found the body yet' followed by 14 years of dead, it's the dead part that's a tad more important and likely to be talked about.

Seriously, just admit you were wrong. It's a whole lot less embarrassing than digging yourself in deeper by refusing to admit you messed up.

[Survivor]

Seriously, just admit you were wrong. It's a whole lot less embarrassing than digging yourself in deeper by refusing to admit you messed up.

Drocket, I regret you are embarrassed. Happy Memorial Day.

[Buck Laser]

Buck Laser, the illiterate often use such words as your "dumbassed" to expose their ignorance. Which just proves I am close to the truth. Changing the subject is not the same as an allegory, and I did not ask you for a contradiction or interpretation of my comments or signature. I don't "get" your motorcycle crash, but that is your business.
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Sigh.
You're right survivor. I am functionally illiterate. It should have been dumb-assed. But I do know that an allegory isn't exactly a comparison, either. Allegories tend to be poetic, and I can assure you that there was nothing very poetic about Mr. Foster's "disappearance." I'm not sure how long he was missing, but it wasn't very long.

I'm not sure what you mean by motorcycle crash, either. My sig features our president crashing on his mountain bike. I just thought it was a fairly funny and ironic allegory about "staying the course." I realize that conservatives are frequently uncomfortable with irony, possibly because it depends on ambiguity for its humor. I was nearly grown before I learned to live with ambiguity, but I've been comfortable with it for a good many years now.

[Survivor]

Buck Laser, the illiterate often use such words as your "dumbassed" to expose their ignorance. Which just proves I am close to the truth. Changing the subject is not the same as an allegory, and I did not ask you for a contradiction or interpretation of my comments or signature. I don't "get" your motorcycle crash, but that is your business.

Sigh.
You're right survivor. I am functionally illiterate. It should have been dumb-assed. But I do know that an allegory isn't exactly a comparison, either. Allegories tend to be poetic, and I can assure you that there was nothing very poetic about Mr. Foster's "disappearance." I'm not sure how long he was missing, but it wasn't very long.

I'm not sure what you mean by motorcycle crash, either. My sig features our president crashing on his mountain bike. I just thought it was a fairly funny and ironic allegory about "staying the course." I realize that conservatives are frequently uncomfortable with irony, possibly because it depends on ambiguity for its humor. I was nearly grown before I learned to live with ambiguity, but I've been comfortable with it for a good many years now.

Missing - disappeared - dead. Cause? Either natural causes, accidental death, or suicide. The coroner decides.

What type of bicycle? Mountain bike. Why? Chased by a motorcycle? Who knows? (That is what I heard).

Irony? I don't follow that thread of thought. Anyone can have an accident, it isn't symbolic of anything nor ambiguous, but when combined with a noble slogan sounds more like facetious which is often at the expense of someone else.

[Buck Laser]

Missing - disappeared - dead. Cause? Either natural causes, accidental death, or suicide. The coroner decides.

My cat went missing once. He disappeared. But he came back, so he must not have been dead. I was really sorta sorry, because I didn't like that damned cat.

You might look in a dictionary to see if "missing" or "disappeared" are synonymous with "dead." You might try a Venn diagram to figure it out.

But back to the OT. I truly doubt that the "opposition research" can come up with anything against the Clintons that hasn't already been flung at them. Maybe you're too young to remember the Clinton administration?

[Survivor]

Missing - disappeared - dead. Cause? Either natural causes, accidental death, or suicide. The coroner decides.

My cat went missing once. He disappeared. But he came back, so he must not have been dead. I was really sorta sorry, because I didn't like that damned cat.

You might look in a dictionary to see if "missing" or "disappeared" are synonymous with "dead." You might try a Venn diagram to figure it out.
Buck Laser: If your cat "went missing", then for a time, the cat disappeared from your sight, right? It is a matter of points in time.

First missing, or disappeared then declared dead, as was the case with Vince Foster.

You can figure it out if you try.

Glad your cat returned, even though you wern't.