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get_involved
05-26-2007, 11:52 PM
IMPORTING A SLAVE CLASS
May 23, 2007


Apparently, my position on immigration is that we must deport all 12 million illegal aliens immediately, inasmuch as this is billed as the only alternative to immediate amnesty. The jejune fact that we "can't deport them all" is supposed to lead ineluctably to the conclusion that we must grant amnesty to illegal aliens — and fast!

I'm astounded that debate has sunk so low that I need to type the following words, but: No law is ever enforced 100 percent.

We can't catch all rapists, so why not grant amnesty to rapists? Surely no one wants thousands of rapists living in the shadows! How about discrimination laws? Insider trading laws? Do you expect Bush to round up everyone who goes over the speed limit? Of course we can't do that. We can't even catch all murderers. What we need is "comprehensive murder reform." It's not "amnesty" — we'll ask them to pay a small fine.

If it's "impossible" to deport illegal aliens, how did we come to have so much specific information about them? I keep hearing they are Catholic, pro-life, hardworking, just dying to become American citizens, and will take jobs other Americans won't. Someone must have talked to them to gather all this information. Let's find that guy — he must know where they are!

How do we even know there are 12 million of them? Why not 3 million, or 40 million? Maybe we should put the guy who counted them in charge of deporting them.

If the 12-million figure is an extrapolation based on the number of illegal immigrants in public schools or emergency rooms and well-manicured lawns in Brentwood, then shouldn't we be looking for them at schools and hospitals and well-manicured lawns in Brentwood?

I believe that the shortage of unskilled, non-English-speaking Mexicans we experienced in the '60s has been remedied by now.

Since Teddy Kennedy's 1965 Immigration Act, more than half of all legal immigrants have been unskilled, non-English-speaking Mexicans. America takes in roughly 1 million legal immigrants each year. Only about 30,000 of them have Ph.D.s. Why on earth would any rational immigration policy discriminate against immigrants with Ph.D.s in favor of unskilled, non-English-speaking immigrants?

Say, don't Ph.D.s and other skilled workers have more influence on government policy than unskilled workers? Aren't they more likely to bend a president's ear? Yes, I believe they are! Noticeably, the biggest proponents of the government's policy of importing a huge underclass of unskilled workers are not themselves unskilled workers.

The great bounty of cheap labor by unskilled immigrants isn't going to hardworking Americans who hang drywall or clean hotel rooms — and who are having trouble getting jobs, now that they're forced to compete with the vast influx of unskilled workers who don't pay taxes.

The people who make arguments about "jobs Americans won't do" are never in a line of work where unskilled immigrants can compete with them. Liberals love to strike generous, humanitarian poses with other people's lives.

Something tells me the immigration debate would be different if we were importing millions of politicians or Hollywood agents. You lose your job, while I keep my job at the Endeavor agency, my Senate seat, my professorship, my editorial position or my presidency. (And I get a maid!)

The only beneficiaries of these famed hardworking immigrants — unlike you lazy Americans — are the wealthy, who want the cheap labor while making the rest of us chip in for the immigrants' schooling, food and health care.

These great lovers of the downtrodden — the downtrodden trimming their hedges — pretend to believe that their gardeners' children will be graduating from Harvard and curing cancer someday, but (1) they don't believe that; and (2) if it happened, they'd lose their gardeners.

Not to worry, Marie Antoinettes! According to "Alien Nation" author Peter Brimelow, "There is recent evidence that, even after four generations, fewer than 10 percent of Mexicans have post-high school degrees, as opposed to nearly half of non-Mexican-Americans." So you'll always have the maid. As New York mayor Michael Bloomberg said, our golf fairways would suffer without illegal immigrants: "You and I both play golf; who takes care of the greens and the fairways on your golf course?"

We fought a civil war to force Democrats to give up on slavery 150 years ago. They've become so desperate for servants that now they're importing an underclass to wash their clothes and pick their vegetables. This vast class of unskilled immigrants is the left's new form of slavery.

What do they care if their servants are made citizens eligible to vote and collect government benefits? Aren't the fabulously rich happy in Venezuela? Oops, wrong example. Brazil? No, no, let me try again. Mexico! ... Well, no matter. What could go wrong?

http://www.numbersusa.com

lily
05-27-2007, 12:10 AM
Get_involved I just checked. You can fill out the application for border patrol right on your computer. You don't even have to get up!

get_involved
05-27-2007, 12:13 AM
Get_involved I just checked. You can fill out the application for border patrol right on your computer. You don't even have to get up!


No thanks, I wouldn't want to take your job. But thanks anyway and keep up the good work.

CheesyMuslim
05-27-2007, 12:18 AM
Sorry bout that,

1. I agree, round them up, bit before you do that, build the 40" wall.
2. Its not helping America that they are here, one bit.
3. Americans pay far more in social services to these illegals than we get from their labor.
4. The Democrats want their votes, we shouldn't.
5. We have to fix this problem this time.

Regards,
SirJamesofTexas

lily
05-27-2007, 12:29 AM
Get_involved I just checked. You can fill out the application for border patrol right on your computer. You don't even have to get up!


No thanks, I wouldn't want to take your job. But thanks anyway and keep up the good work.


Hey........just thought I'd help. You seem so passionate about it.

Buck Laser
05-27-2007, 12:44 AM
Sorry bout that,

1. I agree, round them up, bit before you do that, build the 40" wall.

Cheesy, WTF good is a 40 inch wall do?:P
Ah, never mind...

CheesyMuslim
05-27-2007, 01:11 AM
Sorry bout that,

1. Hehehehehehehe,..nice one Buck!
2. My bad, I meant 40',..hehehehehehe,.....
3. It could perhaps keep out the midget illegals eh???


Regards,
SirJamesofTexas

get_involved
05-27-2007, 02:35 AM
Get_involved I just checked. You can fill out the application for border patrol right on your computer. You don't even have to get up!


No thanks, I wouldn't want to take your job. But thanks anyway and keep up the good work.


Hey........just thought I'd help. You seem so passionate about it.


Imagine that. And I thought you were trying to be funny.

By the way, I am a border patrol agent. Be careful.

lily
05-27-2007, 04:38 AM
[quote=lily]


Imagine that. And I thought you were trying to be funny.

By the way, I am a border patrol agent. Be careful.


Well then, my hat's off to you. Yoy practice what you preach.

Survivor
05-27-2007, 11:17 PM
If we can spend billions building rockets, nuclear devices, high-powered spacecraft and chemtrails, we can at least build a wall along the Mexican border preventing aliens from dozens of countries from entering the United States. By the way, I don't see any effort preventing those of other countries from entering the borders from Canada.

One third of the American prison population consists of illegals and several hospitals have had to close because their resources are depleted due to the expense of administering to illegals. The way the United States Constitution is interpreted at the present time, children of aliens are considered American citizens, but the Constitution was written to prevent slaves from leaving because their services were necessary to the American economy.

This principle does not apply to the current immigrants, because they visit the United States to work to provide support for their families in mostly Mexico, and there are cases of mistaken identity when immigrants use the identification of American citizens to obtain employment. American money is the main source of economy in Mexico.

There are thousands of volunteers who would gladly help in building such a wall along the Mexican border.

lily
05-27-2007, 11:26 PM
Survivor, do you think that a wall is going to make that much difference? You can climb over or dig under like they do now. I just think the high tech and more border patrol is the best way to go. Sure it costs more, but you pay for what you get.

As for the Canadian border, I don't think too many Canadians would come here for a better way of live. I don't know. I just don't have as much concern about the borders like I do about the ports, saftey wise.

Buck Laser
05-27-2007, 11:31 PM
Anyone who thinks a tall enough wall can be built between the US and Mexico that will stop immigration is delusional. There is legitimate commerce between the US and Mexico every single day.

But it would be very interesting for some of the more radical immigration opponents to find out what some "days without Mexicans" would be like.

I'm not denying a problem. I'm just saying that solutions like walls are unutterably stupid. I was born on the border and spent my entire childhood there, so I do know more than a bit about that area of the country.

CheesyMuslim
05-27-2007, 11:36 PM
Sorry bout that,

1. But here's how the 40' wall works.
2. On the top of it, its will need a curved top, that bends over toward Mexico.
3. And curves all the way towards the ground, on their side.
4. Kinda like a Candy Cain, ahhh sweet.

Regards,
SirJamesofTexas

lily
05-27-2007, 11:38 PM
Wouldn't that be helpful in climbing?

Survivor
05-27-2007, 11:40 PM
Anyone who thinks a tall enough wall can be built between the US and Mexico that will stop immigration is delusional. There is legitimate commerce between the US and Mexico every single day.

But it would be very interesting for some of the more radical immigration opponents to find out what some "days without Mexicans" would be like.

I'm not denying a problem. I'm just saying that solutions like walls are unutterably stupid. I was born on the border and spent my entire childhood there, so I do know more than a bit about that area of the country.
Buch Laser, You might address the issues of a drain on the American economy and the other issues I mentioned before introducing other arguments. If you lived near the border, you would naturally be subjective to the situation.

However, if you insist upon mentioning other situations, what about the Border Patrol agents who were imprisioned for detaining an illegal who smuggled illegal drugs into this country and was given immunity from prosecution for testifying against the Border Patrol agents??

lily
05-27-2007, 11:45 PM
However, if you insist upon mentioning other situations, what about the Border Patrol agents who were imprisioned for detaining an illegal who smuggled illegal drugs into this country and was given immunity from prosecution for testifying against the Border Patrol agents??


I'm not aware of this case, Chess........are you sure you're not mixing it up with the one where the border patrol agents shot a man in the back as he was fleeing, went before a judge and jury and they were found guilt?

Buck Laser
05-28-2007, 01:07 AM
Buch Laser, You might address the issues of a drain on the American economy and the other issues I mentioned before introducing other arguments. If you lived near the border, you would naturally be subjective to the situation.

However, if you insist upon mentioning other situations, what about the Border Patrol agents who were imprisioned for detaining an illegal who smuggled illegal drugs into this country and was given immunity from prosecution for testifying against the Border Patrol agents??

Survivor, you might want to have a look at the Texas Comptroller's report on the effects of immigrants in Texas. The sum of the finding is that while immigrants impose some costs on the state, they provide a net bonus in income. I know this is an unpleasant truth to hear, but here it is. It's a PDF file, so you can save it and read it later. I'd post the whole thing, but it's twenty pages long. TX Comptroller's Report (http://www.window.state.tx.us/specialrpt/undocumented/undocumented.pdf)

Survivor
05-28-2007, 06:35 PM
While the illegal immigrants may provide a net bonus in income for their homeland, they are a drain on the economy of the United States for reasons I previously mentioned.

Why doesn't Mexico guard their northern border with the veracity with which they guard their southern border?

Why should some people wait in line for twelve years to enter this country legally
when others aare permitted to escape Mexico under the wire?

If the farmworkers from Mexico were not available to tend to the crops, do landscaping, work in restaurants and do other work claimed Americans would not do, then the American economy would flourish because there would be more jobs for the citizens of the United States.

Further, teenagers could work in the fields during the summer and learn to save their own money (or spend it if they wish) and this would be a benefit to the youth with excessive time on their hands.

Alonzo
05-28-2007, 06:47 PM
Why doesn't Mexico guard their northern border with the veracity with which they guard their southern border?

Probably the same reason as to why Americans deal with the Canadians when going north, and with the americans when coming back south.

Survivor
05-28-2007, 06:52 PM
Why doesn't Mexico guard their northern border with the veracity with which they guard their southern border?

Probably the same reason as to why Americans deal with the Canadians when going north, and with the americans when coming back south.
Canada and Mexico are two separate countries. What happens to illegals when they try to enter Mexico from the southern border does not compare to what happens to those trying to enter the United States from Mexico .

The laws for entering and returning from Canada are different from those entering and returning from Mexico.

Buck Laser
05-28-2007, 08:07 PM
Why doesn't Mexico guard their northern border with the veracity with which they guard their southern border?


Don't you mean ferocity? Veracity means "truthfulness."

Survivor
05-28-2007, 08:11 PM
Why doesn't Mexico guard their northern border with the veracity with which they guard their southern border?
Don't you mean ferocity? Veracity means "truthfulness."

Why doesn't Mexico guard their northern border with the ferocity with which they guard their southern border?

Alonzo
05-28-2007, 08:39 PM
The laws for entering and returning from Canada are different from those entering and returning from Mexico.

Survivor, my point is why should Mexico use their tax payers money to police who exits their borders when the u.s. leaves other nations to police who leaves ours?

Survivor
05-28-2007, 09:50 PM
The laws for entering and returning from Canada are different from those entering and returning from Mexico.

Survivor, my point is why should Mexico use their tax payers money to police who exits their borders when the u.s. leaves other nations to police who leaves ours?
alonzomourning, Are you saying the United States leaves other nations to police who leaves the United States?