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ViolaLee
05-26-2007, 05:44 AM
Bush can now be a dictator if he proclaims a catastrophic emergency. Bush can put himself in charge of the other equal branches with this directive, and make them unequal, against constitutional law. Another example of him stomping on the constitution.

This directive on its face is unconstitutional because each branch of government the executive, legislative and judicial are supposed to be equal in power. By putting the President in charge of coordinating such an effort to ensure constitutional government over all three branches is effectively making the President a dictator allowing him to tell all branches of government what to do.

The directive itself recognizes that each branch is already responsible for directing their own continuity of government procedures. If that’s the case than why does the President need to coordinate these procedures for all of the branches? This is nothing more than a power grab that centralizes power and will make the President a dictator in the case of a so called “Catastrophic Emergency”.

It is insane that this directive claims that its purpose is to define procedures to protect a working constitutional government when the very language in the document destroys what a working constitutional government is supposed to be. A working constitutional government contains a separation of powers between three equally powerful branches and this directive states that the executive branch has the power to coordinate the activities of the other branches. This directive is a clear violation of constitutional separation of powers and there should be angry protests from our legislators about this anti-American garbage that came from the President.

http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=viewArticle&code=ROG20070521&articleId=5721

And some still wonder why this President is so hated? He is trying to destroy our county. Where are the patriots who love the constitution? Our troops vow and oath to protect the constitution and are fighting a unjust war while our President violates the constitution.

The Dictator's Directive:

http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2007/05/20070509-12.html

For Immediate Release
Office of the Press Secretary
May 9, 2007

National Security and Homeland Security Presidential Directive

White House News

NATIONAL SECURITY PRESIDENTIAL DIRECTIVE/NSPD 51

HOMELAND SECURITY PRESIDENTIAL DIRECTIVE/HSPD-20

Subject: National Continuity Policy

Purpose

(1) This directive establishes a comprehensive national policy on the continuity of Federal Government structures and operations and a single National Continuity Coordinator responsible for coordinating the development and implementation of Federal continuity policies. This policy establishes "National Essential Functions," prescribes continuity requirements for all executive departments and agencies, and provides guidance for State, local, territorial, and tribal governments, and private sector organizations in order to ensure a comprehensive and integrated national continuity program that will enhance the credibility of our national security posture and enable a more rapid and effective response to and recovery from a national emergency.

Definitions

(2) In this directive:

(a) "Category" refers to the categories of executive departments and agencies listed in Annex A to this directive;

(b) "Catastrophic Emergency" means any incident, regardless of location, that results in extraordinary levels of mass casualties, damage, or disruption severely affecting the U.S. population, infrastructure, environment, economy, or government functions;

(c) "Continuity of Government," or "COG," means a coordinated effort within the Federal Government's executive branch to ensure that National Essential Functions continue to be performed during a Catastrophic Emergency;

(d) "Continuity of Operations," or "COOP," means an effort within individual executive departments and agencies to ensure that Primary Mission-Essential Functions continue to be performed during a wide range of emergencies, including localized acts of nature, accidents, and technological or attack-related emergencies;

(e) "Enduring Constitutional Government," or "ECG," means a cooperative effort among the executive, legislative, and judicial branches of the Federal Government, coordinated by the President, as a matter of comity with respect to the legislative and judicial branches and with proper respect for the constitutional separation of powers among the branches, to preserve the constitutional framework under which the Nation is governed and the capability of all three branches of government to execute constitutional responsibilities and provide for orderly succession, appropriate transition of leadership, and interoperability and support of the National Essential Functions during a catastrophic emergency;

(f) "Executive Departments and Agencies" means the executive departments enumerated in 5 U.S.C. 101, independent establishments as defined by 5 U.S.C. 104(1), Government corporations as defined by 5 U.S.C. 103(1), and the United States Postal Service;

(g) "Government Functions" means the collective functions of the heads of executive departments and agencies as defined by statute, regulation, presidential direction, or other legal authority, and the functions of the legislative and judicial branches;

(h) "National Essential Functions," or "NEFs," means that subset of Government Functions that are necessary to lead and sustain the Nation during a catastrophic emergency and that, therefore, must be supported through COOP and COG capabilities; and

(i) "Primary Mission Essential Functions," or "PMEFs," means those Government Functions that must be performed in order to support or implement the performance of NEFs before, during, and in the aftermath of an emergency.

Policy

(3) It is the policy of the United States to maintain a comprehensive and effective continuity capability composed of Continuity of Operations and Continuity of Government programs in order to ensure the preservation of our form of government under the Constitution and the continuing performance of National Essential Functions under all conditions.

Implementation Actions

(4) Continuity requirements shall be incorporated into daily operations of all executive departments and agencies. As a result of the asymmetric threat environment, adequate warning of potential emergencies that could pose a significant risk to the homeland might not be available, and therefore all continuity planning shall be based on the assumption that no such warning will be received. Emphasis will be placed upon geographic dispersion of leadership, staff, and infrastructure in order to increase survivability and maintain uninterrupted Government Functions. Risk management principles shall be applied to ensure that appropriate operational readiness decisions are based on the probability of an attack or other incident and its consequences.

(5) The following NEFs are the foundation for all continuity programs and capabilities and represent the overarching responsibilities of the Federal Government to lead and sustain the Nation during a crisis, and therefore sustaining the following NEFs shall be the primary focus of the Federal Government leadership during and in the aftermath of an emergency that adversely affects the performance of Government Functions:

(a) Ensuring the continued functioning of our form of government under the Constitution, including the functioning of the three separate branches of government;

(b) Providing leadership visible to the Nation and the world and maintaining the trust and confidence of the American people;

(c) Defending the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic, and preventing or interdicting attacks against the United States or its people, property, or interests;

(d) Maintaining and fostering effective relationships with foreign nations;

(e) Protecting against threats to the homeland and bringing to justice perpetrators of crimes or attacks against the United States or its people, property, or interests;

(f) Providing rapid and effective response to and recovery from the domestic consequences of an attack or other incident;

(g) Protecting and stabilizing the Nation's economy and ensuring public confidence in its financial systems; and

(h) Providing for critical Federal Government services that address the national health, safety, and welfare needs of the United States.

(6) The President shall lead the activities of the Federal Government for ensuring constitutional government. In order to advise and assist the President in that function, the Assistant to the President for Homeland Security and Counterterrorism (APHS/CT) is hereby designated as the National Continuity Coordinator. The National Continuity Coordinator, in coordination with the Assistant to the President for National Security Affairs (APNSA), without exercising directive authority, shall coordinate the development and implementation of continuity policy for executive departments and agencies. The Continuity Policy Coordination Committee (CPCC), chaired by a Senior Director from the Homeland Security Council staff, designated by the National Continuity Coordinator, shall be the main day-to-day forum for such policy coordination.

(7) For continuity purposes, each executive department and agency is assigned to a category in accordance with the nature and characteristics of its national security roles and responsibilities in support of the Federal Government's ability to sustain the NEFs. The Secretary of Homeland Security shall serve as the President's lead agent for coordinating overall continuity operations and activities of executive departments and agencies, and in such role shall perform the responsibilities set forth for the Secretary in sections 10 and 16 of this directive.

(8) The National Continuity Coordinator, in consultation with the heads of appropriate executive departments and agencies, will lead the development of a National Continuity Implementation Plan (Plan), which shall include prioritized goals and objectives, a concept of operations, performance metrics by which to measure continuity readiness, procedures for continuity and incident management activities, and clear direction to executive department and agency continuity coordinators, as well as guidance to promote interoperability of Federal Government continuity programs and procedures with State, local, territorial, and tribal governments, and private sector owners and operators of critical infrastructure, as appropriate. The Plan shall be submitted to the President for approval not later than 90 days after the date of this directive.

(9) Recognizing that each branch of the Federal Government is responsible for its own continuity programs, an official designated by the Chief of Staff to the President shall ensure that the executive branch's COOP and COG policies in support of ECG efforts are appropriately coordinated with those of the legislative and judicial branches in order to ensure interoperability and allocate national assets efficiently to maintain a functioning Federal Government.

(10) Federal Government COOP, COG, and ECG plans and operations shall be appropriately integrated with the emergency plans and capabilities of State, local, territorial, and tribal governments, and private sector owners and operators of critical infrastructure, as appropriate, in order to promote interoperability and to prevent redundancies and conflicting lines of authority. The Secretary of Homeland Security shall coordinate the integration of Federal continuity plans and operations with State, local, territorial, and tribal governments, and private sector owners and operators of critical infrastructure, as appropriate, in order to provide for the delivery of essential services during an emergency.

(11) Continuity requirements for the Executive Office of the President (EOP) and executive departments and agencies shall include the following:

(a) The continuation of the performance of PMEFs during any emergency must be for a period up to 30 days or until normal operations can be resumed, and the capability to be fully operational at alternate sites as soon as possible after the occurrence of an emergency, but not later than 12 hours after COOP activation;

(b) Succession orders and pre-planned devolution of authorities that ensure the emergency delegation of authority must be planned and documented in advance in accordance with applicable law;

(c) Vital resources, facilities, and records must be safeguarded, and official access to them must be provided;

(d) Provision must be made for the acquisition of the resources necessary for continuity operations on an emergency basis;

(e) Provision must be made for the availability and redundancy of critical communications capabilities at alternate sites in order to support connectivity between and among key government leadership, internal elements, other executive departments and agencies, critical partners, and the public;

(f) Provision must be made for reconstitution capabilities that allow for recovery from a catastrophic emergency and resumption of normal operations; and

(g) Provision must be made for the identification, training, and preparedness of personnel capable of relocating to alternate facilities to support the continuation of the performance of PMEFs.

(12) In order to provide a coordinated response to escalating threat levels or actual emergencies, the Continuity of Government Readiness Conditions (COGCON) system establishes executive branch continuity program readiness levels, focusing on possible threats to the National Capital Region. The President will determine and issue the COGCON Level. Executive departments and agencies shall comply with the requirements and assigned responsibilities under the COGCON program. During COOP activation, executive departments and agencies shall report their readiness status to the Secretary of Homeland Security or the Secretary's designee.

(13) The Director of the Office of Management and Budget shall:

(a) Conduct an annual assessment of executive department and agency continuity funding requests and performance data that are submitted by executive departments and agencies as part of the annual budget request process, in order to monitor progress in the implementation of the Plan and the execution of continuity budgets;

(b) In coordination with the National Continuity Coordinator, issue annual continuity planning guidance for the development of continuity budget requests; and

(c) Ensure that heads of executive departments and agencies prioritize budget resources for continuity capabilities, consistent with this directive.

(14) The Director of the Office of Science and Technology Policy shall:

(a) Define and issue minimum requirements for continuity communications for executive departments and agencies, in consultation with the APHS/CT, the APNSA, the Director of the Office of Management and Budget, and the Chief of Staff to the President;

(b) Establish requirements for, and monitor the development, implementation, and maintenance of, a comprehensive communications architecture to integrate continuity components, in consultation with the APHS/CT, the APNSA, the Director of the Office of Management and Budget, and the Chief of Staff to the President; and

(c) Review quarterly and annual assessments of continuity communications capabilities, as prepared pursuant to section 16(d) of this directive or otherwise, and report the results and recommended remedial actions to the National Continuity Coordinator.

(15) An official designated by the Chief of Staff to the President shall:

(a) Advise the President, the Chief of Staff to the President, the APHS/CT, and the APNSA on COGCON operational execution options; and

(b) Consult with the Secretary of Homeland Security in order to ensure synchronization and integration of continuity activities among the four categories of executive departments and agencies.

(16) The Secretary of Homeland Security shall:

(a) Coordinate the implementation, execution, and assessment of continuity operations and activities;

(b) Develop and promulgate Federal Continuity Directives in order to establish continuity planning requirements for executive departments and agencies;

(c) Conduct biennial assessments of individual department and agency continuity capabilities as prescribed by the Plan and report the results to the President through the APHS/CT;

(d) Conduct quarterly and annual assessments of continuity communications capabilities in consultation with an official designated by the Chief of Staff to the President;

(e) Develop, lead, and conduct a Federal continuity training and exercise program, which shall be incorporated into the National Exercise Program developed pursuant to Homeland Security Presidential Directive-8 of December 17, 2003 ("National Preparedness"), in consultation with an official designated by the Chief of Staff to the President;

(f) Develop and promulgate continuity planning guidance to State, local, territorial, and tribal governments, and private sector critical infrastructure owners and operators;

(g) Make available continuity planning and exercise funding, in the form of grants as provided by law, to State, local, territorial, and tribal governments, and private sector critical infrastructure owners and operators; and

(h) As Executive Agent of the National Communications System, develop, implement, and maintain a comprehensive continuity communications architecture.

(17) The Director of National Intelligence, in coordination with the Attorney General and the Secretary of Homeland Security, shall produce a biennial assessment of the foreign and domestic threats to the Nation's continuity of government.

(18) The Secretary of Defense, in coordination with the Secretary of Homeland Security, shall provide secure, integrated, Continuity of Government communications to the President, the Vice President, and, at a minimum, Category I executive departments and agencies.

(19) Heads of executive departments and agencies shall execute their respective department or agency COOP plans in response to a localized emergency and shall:

(a) Appoint a senior accountable official, at the Assistant Secretary level, as the Continuity Coordinator for the department or agency;

(b) Identify and submit to the National Continuity Coordinator the list of PMEFs for the department or agency and develop continuity plans in support of the NEFs and the continuation of essential functions under all conditions;

(c) Plan, program, and budget for continuity capabilities consistent with this directive;

(d) Plan, conduct, and support annual tests and training, in consultation with the Secretary of Homeland Security, in order to evaluate program readiness and ensure adequacy and viability of continuity plans and communications systems; and

(e) Support other continuity requirements, as assigned by category, in accordance with the nature and characteristics of its national security roles and responsibilities

General Provisions

(20) This directive shall be implemented in a manner that is consistent with, and facilitates effective implementation of, provisions of the Constitution concerning succession to the Presidency or the exercise of its powers, and the Presidential Succession Act of 1947 (3 U.S.C. 19), with consultation of the Vice President and, as appropriate, others involved. Heads of executive departments and agencies shall ensure that appropriate support is available to the Vice President and others involved as necessary to be prepared at all times to implement those provisions.

(21) This directive:

(a) Shall be implemented consistent with applicable law and the authorities of agencies, or heads of agencies, vested by law, and subject to the availability of appropriations;

(b) Shall not be construed to impair or otherwise affect (i) the functions of the Director of the Office of Management and Budget relating to budget, administrative, and legislative proposals, or (ii) the authority of the Secretary of Defense over the Department of Defense, including the chain of command for military forces from the President, to the Secretary of Defense, to the commander of military forces, or military command and control procedures; and

(c) Is not intended to, and does not, create any rights or benefits, substantive or procedural, enforceable at law or in equity by a party against the United States, its agencies, instrumentalities, or entities, its officers, employees, or agents, or any other person.

(22) Revocation. Presidential Decision Directive 67 of October 21, 1998 ("Enduring Constitutional Government and Continuity of Government Operations"), including all Annexes thereto, is hereby revoked.

(23) Annex A and the classified Continuity Annexes, attached hereto, are hereby incorporated into and made a part of this directive.

(24) Security. This directive and the information contained herein shall be protected from unauthorized disclosure, provided that, except for Annex A, the Annexes attached to this directive are classified and shall be accorded appropriate handling, consistent with applicable Executive Orders.

GEORGE W. BUSH

Labrocca
05-26-2007, 06:14 AM
Bush can now be a dictator if he proclaims a catastrophic emergency.

Sorry I can't find where it says that in the above...maybe you can point it out. Seems more like a plan to coordinate in case of a catastrophe.

It reads as if Katrina was the reason for the document. One group loves to blame Bush for not responding. Next you will invent that Bush planned Katrina so he could do this.

ECW
05-26-2007, 03:10 PM
Bush can now be a dictator if he proclaims a catastrophic emergency.

Sorry I can't find where it says that in the above...maybe you can point it out. Seems more like a plan to coordinate in case of a catastrophe.

It reads as if Katrina was the reason for the document. One group loves to blame Bush for not responding. Next you will invent that Bush planned Katrina so he could do this.


I found it.

A working constitutional government contains a separation of powers between three equally powerful branches and this directive states that the executive branch has the power to coordinate the activities of the other branches. This directive is a clear violation of constitutional separation of powers and there should be angry protests from our legislators about this anti-American garbage that came from the President.

Not a surprising document given how this president and his retarded AG have trampled all over the Constitution since they arrived in Washington.

ViolaLee
05-26-2007, 03:44 PM
Bush can now be a dictator if he proclaims a catastrophic emergency.

Sorry I can't find where it says that in the above...maybe you can point it out. Seems more like a plan to coordinate in case of a catastrophe.

It reads as if Katrina was the reason for the document. One group loves to blame Bush for not responding. Next you will invent that Bush planned Katrina so he could do this.
Thanks for telling me what I'll do next. You must be in the same mindset as the President, dictatorial. Do we have to actually do as you say on this board? Do I have to make a thread now, claiming that Bush planned Katrina because you have said it's what I'll do next? Or can I have the freedom to decide on my own threads?

I don't usually respond to strawman arguments, but your mind reading skills are really lacking. You should give that up. You're not good at it.

As for your lack of finding the part where it says Bush can put himself above the other branches of government, it says straight away:

The President shall lead the activities of the Federal Government for ensuring constitutional government.

Yes it says he will work with the other branches:

a cooperative effort among the executive, legislative, and judicial branches of the Federal Government

But the branches are no longer equal if the effort is:

coordinated by the President, as a matter of comity with respect to the legislative and judicial branches and with proper respect for the constitutional separation of powers

What exactly is proper respect? If the President is in charge, and above, and ordering, and leading and running the other branches, they aren't exactly equal to him anymore, are they? This is an example of a dictarorial government. Perhaps Bush got some tips from Saddam before he had him killed.

The directive also contains:

classified Continuity Annexes

What do you imagine those include?

Survivor
05-27-2007, 10:28 PM
Yes, I heard this from a reliable source.

Labrocca
05-27-2007, 10:36 PM
Some of you need to brush up on your dictionay meanings.

http://www.answers.com/coordinate&r=67

To place in the same order, class, or rank.
To harmonize in a common action or effort: coordinating the moving parts of a machine; coordinate the colors of a design.


ECW...you only pointed out the commentary not where the law states he can be a dictator. The 3 branches don't lose their equality in this law.

Now let's say we get hit with a Nuclear Bomb...catastrophic event right? Well would we all rather have to wait for congress to meet, the judicial branch to decide the law, and the president to sit on his thumbs while Americans die?

The President will be given role of coordinator to ensure things are done in an expeditous manner. I don't see where that's a dictator. This is all about security of the nation in a time of crisis and nothing more.

Survivor
05-27-2007, 10:39 PM
Basically, in cases of national disasters the directive allows the President to provide protection for the citizens without the approval of congress.

Buck Laser
05-27-2007, 10:43 PM
Basically, in cases of national disasters the directive allows the President to provide protection for the citizens without the approval of congress.


Yep. That's what's wrong with it. Even FDR didn't have that power. Who's going to protect the citizens?

Survivor
05-27-2007, 10:53 PM
As I understand the procedure now, some cities have declared themselves "Sanctuaries", which means that in the event of invasion, in those cities, the local police have no jurisdiction to interrogate questionable suspects. Although American citizens are considered innocent until proven quilty, in the case of a national emergency such as n 911, there might be entitlements for the police to stop and search known violators, especially those with criminal records.

ViolaLee
05-27-2007, 11:47 PM
Yes, I heard this from a reliable source.
Well it is straight from whitehouse.gov


Some of you need to brush up on your dictionay meanings.
And some of you on your spelling ;)

http://www.answers.com/coordinate&r=67
[quote]
To place in the same order, class, or rank.
To harmonize in a common action or effort: coordinating the moving parts of a machine; coordinate the colors of a design.
To place in same order, class, rank. So Bush can place the Supreme Court and Congress in the same order, class, rank, right below himself.

A constitutional violation.

Our constitution is only as strong as we allow it to be. When we let criminals violate it, we weaken it. Our constitution is weakening every day that Bush stays in office.

ECW...you only pointed out the commentary not where the law states he can be a dictator. The 3 branches don't lose their equality in this law. He pointed out the commentary, I pointed out the facts straight from the directive. No comment on that?

Buck Laser
05-28-2007, 12:53 AM
Our constitution is only as strong as we allow it to be. When we let criminals violate it, we weaken it. Our constitution is weakening every day that Bush stays in office.

I may be attributing this statement to the wrong person, but I had to use it to contrast with something Bush said: "The constitution is nothing but a God damned piece of paper."
Here's link: God damned piece of paper (http://www.homelandstupidity.us/2005/12/09/bush-constitution-just-a-goddamned-piece-of-paper/)

Labrocca
05-28-2007, 05:54 AM
To place in same order, class, rank. So Bush can place the Supreme Court and Congress in the same order, class, rank, right below himself.


It doesn't say that. You insist you are pointing something out (besides my typo) but you are not. There is NOTHING in there saying that the President becomes a dictator in an emergency.

Let's see if I can get the dictionary out again.

http://www.answers.com/dictator&r=67
An absolute ruler.
A tyrant; a despot.


So find the phrase in the legal document declaring the president a dictator.

It gets a bit old when people have the 1984 mentality constantly. Our freedoms have EXPANDED decade over decade and yet the liberals and the left insist we are headed for some police state. WTF would you have done in the McCarthy era?

ViolaLee
05-28-2007, 06:59 AM
Our constitution is only as strong as we allow it to be. When we let criminals violate it, we weaken it. Our constitution is weakening every day that Bush stays in office.

I may be attributing this statement to the wrong person, but I had to use it to contrast with something Bush said: "The constitution is nothing but a God damned piece of paper."
Here's link: God damned piece of paper (http://www.homelandstupidity.us/2005/12/09/bush-constitution-just-a-goddamned-piece-of-paper/)
Yup, a goddamned piece of paper. That's what Bush and Gonzales think of the Constitution.

"Mr. President," one aide in the meeting said. "There is a valid case that the provisions in this law undermine the Constitution."

"Stop throwing the Constitution in my face," Bush screamed back. "It's just a goddamned piece of paper!"

I've heard from two White House sources who claim they heard from others present in the meeting that the President of the United States called the Constitution "a goddamned piece of paper."

The record shows the Bush Administration, the Constitution of the United States is little more than toilet paper stained from all the shit that this group of power-mad despots have dumped on the freedoms that "goddamned piece of paper" used to guarantee.

Attorney General Alberto Gonzales, while still White House counsel, wrote that the "Constitution is an outdated document."

Put aside, for a moment, political affiliation or personal beliefs. It doesn't matter if you are a Democratic, Republican or Independent. It doesn't matter if you support the invasion or Iraq or not. Despite our differences, the Constitution has stood for two centuries as the defining document of our government, the final source to determine - in the end - if something is legal or right. http://www.capitolhillblue.com/artman/publish/article_7779.shtml



To place in same order, class, rank. So Bush can place the Supreme Court and Congress in the same order, class, rank, right below himself.


It doesn't say that. You insist you are pointing something out (besides my typo) but you are not. There is NOTHING in there saying that the President becomes a dictator in an emergency.
You posted the definition of coordinate, which is what the directive says Bush will do with the other two branches of our government. Your definition said 'To place in same order, class, rank.' He can't do that without violating the constitution which says all three brances are EQUAL.

Let's see if I can get the dictionary out again.

http://www.answers.com/dictator&r=67
An absolute ruler.
A tyrant; a despot.


So find the phrase in the legal document declaring the president a dictator.


You're the one with the handy definitions. An absolute ruler coordinating the branches, placing them in the same order, class and rank.

It gets a bit old when people have the 1984 mentality constantly. Our freedoms have EXPANDED decade over decade and yet the liberals and the left insist we are headed for some police state. WTF would you have done in the McCarthy era?

What's old is the 'loyal republicans' defending the undefensible violations of our constitution, the same constitution our military vows to protect, while Bush tramples on it over and over weakening it into a goddamned piece of paper.

ViolaLee
05-30-2007, 05:00 AM
Barbara Boxer sent me an email reply to my concerns about this directive. I asked her to protect our constitution from these violations. She said:

Thank you for contacting my office to express your views on the Bush Administration's National Security and Homeland Security Presidential Directive. This directive, which was made public on May 9, 2007, outlines President Bush's emergency response plans should a "catastrophic emergency" occur on U.S. soil. Please be assured that I will keep your views in mind should legislation relating to this directive come before the Senate.

I believe that all citizens should become involved in the legislative process by letting their voices be heard, and I appreciate the time and effort that you took to share your thoughts with me. One of the most important aspects of my job is keeping informed about the views of my constituents, and I welcome your comments so that I may continue to represent California to the best of my ability. Should I have the opportunity to consider legislation on this or similar issues, I will keep your views in mind.

For additional information about my activities in the U.S. Senate, please visit my website, http://boxer.senate.gov. From this site, you can access statements and press releases that I have issued about current events and pending legislation, request copies of legislation and government reports, and receive detailed information about the many services that I am privileged to provide for my constituents. You may also wish to visit http://thomas.loc.gov to track current and past legislation.

Again, thank you for taking the time to share your thoughts with me. I appreciate hearing from you.


Barbara Boxer
United States Senator

Please visit my website at http://boxer.senate.gov

suedanim
05-30-2007, 12:54 PM
Viola... I just want to commend you right now for having posted this information to this board and for writing your Senator about it. I have taken similar action by posting this same information last week to Politics and Current Affairs debate board. But, I have as yet, not written our Congress people in WA about it. Good job and good idea. Everyone should be concerned enough about this to do the same thing. Whether you agree that alarm is warranted or not, you should write your own representatives in Congress and talk to them about this directive.

This is being scrutinized heavily by a number of people. Some down low, many up front and out loud. I have some information I will contribute later this morning that shows that this directive may just allow George to continue as CIC in Jan. 2009, regardless of who is elected to that office and it does not necessarily need to be a catastrophic event here or on foreign soil that allows it to happen.

Truth_and_Power
05-30-2007, 01:46 PM
Anybody else here know where the word dictator comes from?

It was a roman word meaning a consul (president-ish) who takes complete power over the government in periods of national emergency. If memory serves me, it was for 2-4 weeks or so and then had to be renewed. It was used a few times in the last 60 years of the republic, being extended for several years by Sulla a generation before Caesar. Eventually, a generation after Caesar, Octavian (aka Augustus) was named "dictator for life".

So when you say that this order does not make bush a dictator you are ignoring history completely. That's EXACTLY what a dictator is, and how the original dictator came about. If there is one nation in history the united states bears comparison to, it's the roman republic, and that is how it ended and became the roman empire.

There could be no more obvious warning sign than this, and to ignore it is to remain quiet as lady liberty steps onto a trap door. Check your stripes americans, this is BAD NEWS.

bobbylien
05-30-2007, 01:56 PM
So find the phrase in the legal document declaring the president a dictator.

I think dictator is going a bit far but surely you must understand why no one person should ever be given this much power right?
Tell me exactly why he needs these powers in the event of a terrible catastrophy. The executive branch already has enough power in the event of an attack or something like that, what this would do is remove the right of the other branches from challenging his orders. Maybe I'm wrong but wouldn't he have to be doing something pretty terrible for the congress to override his order when a disaster/attack is occuring? This isn't about giving him the power to do these things, its about taking away the power of oversight by the other branches which would be a huge mistake.

Truth_and_Power
05-30-2007, 02:06 PM
Our constitution is only as strong as we allow it to be. When we let criminals violate it, we weaken it. Our constitution is weakening every day that Bush stays in office.

I may be attributing this statement to the wrong person, but I had to use it to contrast with something Bush said: "The constitution is nothing but a God damned piece of paper."
Here's link: God damned piece of paper (http://www.homelandstupidity.us/2005/12/09/bush-constitution-just-a-goddamned-piece-of-paper/)


I could not agree more with bush's statement. It is only the unwillingness of the people to accept violations of the government we have ingrained in our culture that prevents an emperor from arising here. As pro-lifers will attest, just because the constitution or laws say one thing does not mean that the government cannot decide something else and do it. Only objections from those in and out of government stand between us and totalitarianism, and it's all that ever has.

ViolaLee
05-31-2007, 06:36 AM
Viola... I just want to commend you right now for having posted this information to this board and for writing your Senator about it. I have taken similar action by posting this same information last week to Politics and Current Affairs debate board. But, I have as yet, not written our Congress people in WA about it. Good job and good idea. Everyone should be concerned enough about this to do the same thing.................


Thanks. I've heard the best way to be heard is to call them. I have my Senators and Representative in my cell phone. Leave a message with their aid and they keep a record of the opinions. Sometimes emails get lost in the stack. Boxer was the only one who replied to me so far and I sent it to all three.

The only true voice we have is to contact our 2 Senators and 1 Representative. We can march in rallies and protests. We can do lots of things. But what counts is what we tell our 3 people. They work for us.

Well, they really work for the privately owned Federal Reserve cartel.....but they are supposed to be working for us.

lily
06-01-2007, 12:39 AM
This is being scrutinized heavily by a number of people. Some down low, many up front and out loud. I have some information I will contribute later this morning that shows that this directive may just allow George to continue as CIC in Jan. 2009, regardless of who is elected to that office and it does not necessarily need to be a catastrophic event here or on foreign soil that allows it to happen.


My opinion on this so far is it's to avoid what happened in NO, although I can now see how it could be abused.

Sue, I would be very interested in reading that information. I've read this (for lack of a better word) accusation on other sites, but as of yet still haven't read anything other than "He's going to do it". I still have the memories of how in '06 this administration floated the idea in July of postponing the elections in case of an attack. They tried. It fell flat.

Labrocca
06-01-2007, 02:28 AM
Your definition said 'To place in same order, class, rank.' He can't do that without violating the constitution which says all three brances are EQUAL.

same = equal

http://www.answers.com/same?nafid=3

Jeez...you really need to understand what you read and write.

This plan does nothing to violate the constitution.

ViolaLee
06-01-2007, 03:33 AM
Doesn't it mean that the coordinator who is putting the other branches into the same order, class, rank is above those he is placing?

Labrocca
06-01-2007, 04:54 AM
Doesn't it mean that the coordinator who is putting the other branches into the same order, class, rank is above those he is placing?


Not the way I read it. If you can point out how it's different please point it out as I have been asking. A coordinator is NOT ranked higher.

Truth_and_Power
06-01-2007, 01:47 PM
Doesn't it mean that the coordinator who is putting the other branches into the same order, class, rank is above those he is placing?


Not the way I read it. If you can point out how it's different please point it out as I have been asking. A coordinator is NOT ranked higher.


So what would a coordinator do? I mean judges judge, congress meets and votes on things.. explain to me explicitly what powers this grants bush? I mean is he now the crosswalk guard in front of the supreme court and congress? He "coordinates"?? WTF is that?

ViolaLee
06-01-2007, 04:19 PM
A coordinator takes control and organizes everyone to do what he wants them to do.

Labrocca
06-01-2007, 06:42 PM
A coordinator takes control and organizes everyone to do what he wants them to do.

You are only half-right. Again...you can't just make up new meanings for words. No where does it say in the document that Bush become a dictator or a "boss".

Katrina is a perfect example of the problems with goverment being too slow to act. The federals felt the state should do something...the state felt federal should...the federal didn't even know what constitutional rights it had to act. Now...if a catastrophe occurs..it's the Presidents office that coordinates any efforts to help the American people. If anything it's a great policy. I assume if a nuclear bomb went off in America you would want the President to act.

ViolaLee
06-01-2007, 09:23 PM
As the nation focused on whether Congress would exercise its constitutional duty to cut funding for the war, Bush quietly issued an unconstitutional bombshell that went virtually unnoticed by the corporate media.

The National Security and Homeland Security Presidential Directive, signed on May 9, 2007, would place all governmental power in the hands of the President and effectively abolish the checks and balances in the Constitution.

If a "catastrophic emergency" -- which could include a terrorist attack or a natural disaster -- occurs, Bush's new directive says: "The President shall lead the activities of the Federal Government for ensuring constitutional government."

What about the other two co-equal branches of government? The directive throws them a bone by speaking of a "cooperative effort" among the three branches, "coordinated by the President, as a matter of comity with respect to the legislative and judicial branches and with proper respect for the constitutional separation of powers." The Vice-President would help to implement the plans.

"Comity," however, means courtesy, and the President would decide what kind of respect for the other two branches of government would be "proper." This Presidential Directive is a blatant power grab by Bush to institutionalize "the unitary executive."

A seemingly innocuous phrase, the unitary executive theory actually represents a radical, ultra rightwing interpretation of the powers of the presidency. Championed by the conservative Federalist Society, the unitary executive doctrine gathers all power in the hands of the President and insulates him from any oversight by the congressional or judicial branches.

In a November 2000 speech to the Federalist Society, then Judge Samuel Alito said the Constitution "makes the president the head of the executive branch, but it does more than that. The president has not just some executive powers, but the executive power -- the whole thing."

These "unitarians" claim that all federal agencies, even those constitutionally created by Congress, are beholden to the Chief Executive, that is, the President. This means that Bush could disband agencies like the Federal Communications Commission, the Food and Drug Administration, the Federal Reserve Board, etc., if they weren't to his liking.

Indeed, Bush signed an executive order stating that each federal agency must have a regulatory policy office run by a political appointee. Consumer advocates were concerned that this directive was aimed at weakening the Environmental Protection Agency and the Occupational Safety and Health Administration. The unitary executive dogma represents audacious presidential overreaching into the constitutional province of the other two branches of government.

More here. (http://www.alternet.org/story/52801/?page=1)