Treaty of Versailles; Hitler's past. WOULD OUR WORLD BE DIFFERENT TODAY?

[Yushimi]

After World War I, The TREATY OF VERSAILLES was signed by all of the major European powers - it limited Germany in all aspects of a country. There were prejudice eyes turned toward all Germans at this time, when what infact started World War I was the assasination of Arch Duke Franz Ferdinand by Gavrelio Princip. NOT a German.

What made the War interesting because of Germany was the sudden new technology and their advancement in military.

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-Adolf Hitler had a very hard and sad childhood. His father [who had too much pride] was a general, a drunk, and an abusive father and husband. Adolf, his mother, even the family dog would get beaten and abused daily by this man.
Most of Adolf's siblings have died of disease, so his mother was his best friend and he loved her very much.

-When Hitler's mother died of illness, he blamed their Jewish doctor for letting his best friend and mother slip away

-He always had a dream of becoming a famous painter, but he got rejected TWICE. It is a theory that most of the great artists on the board of the colleges he wanted to attend HAD a Jewish background.

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So what I'm asking is: If Hitler had a different past, would he have reacted differently? If his father had abused him, he must have been blamed for alot from his old man - so would he feel trapped and have a need to have a blame on someone OTHER than him for once?

If the Treaty of Versailles wasn't passed, what do you think the world would be like today?

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We all know that was Hitler did was evil and unthinkable. It was a truly inhumane act, but everyone IS who they are in the world for a reason. So if things had happened differently, what do you think would be the world's problems/virtues today.

~Yushimi

[micfranklin]

If the Treaty of Versailles wasn't passed, what do you think the world would be like today?

The Treaty was nothing more than revenge on Germany for WWI. I bet if it wasn't passed, then there probably wouldn't have been a WWII. Of course that would mean Germany would've gotten away with the war and not have had to limit their army or pay that huge debt.

[Buck Laser]

Speculation about the effects of the Treaty of Versailles is interesting, but essentially useless. However, I do think the Allies were very careful after WW2 to avoid imposing the same kinds of penalties on the defeated enemies. I am just old enough to remember that there was considerable anger about the terms of the surrenders of Germany and Japan. But there was also quite a bit of self-congratulation. One very significant difference was the presence after WW2 of the Soviet Union and the threat it represented to the rest of the world.

Among other things, some historians speculate that the USSR's late declaration of war against Japan hastened the decision of the US to use the atomic bomb against Japan in order to avoid the stalemate that was already developing in Europe.

I suppose these questions will be debated forever.

[Yushimi]

It was President Truman [I believe, I could be wrong. Need to brush up on some things] that decided they should drop the atomic bomb anyway.

[Buck Laser]

It was President Truman [I believe, I could be wrong. Need to brush up on some things] that decided they should drop the atomic bomb anyway.

Yes, it was Truman. But what I'm saying is that the commonly accepted rationale--that dropping the bomb would save many American lives by hastening the end of the war--is not necessarily the only one, although it's the only one commonly discussed. There's not question but that the world benefited by the Soviet Union's lack of involvement in the Pacific war, and using the bomb against Japan certainly helped keep them out. It also let them know we had the bomb when no one else did.

I made a fairly thorough study of the decision to use the bomb in a graduate seminar in political science. The issue of preempting the Soviet Union was touched on there.

[Yushimi]

Yes, it was Truman. But what I'm saying is that the commonly accepted rationale--that dropping the bomb would save many American lives by hastening the end of the war--is not necessarily the only one, although it's the only one commonly discussed. There's not question but that the world benefited by the Soviet Union's lack of involvement in the Pacific war, and using the bomb against Japan certainly helped keep them out. It also let them know we had the bomb when no one else did.

I made a fairly thorough study of the decision to use the bomb in a graduate seminar in political science. The issue of preempting the Soviet Union was touched on there.
Oh, I see... I should read up more on the atomic bomb and what was going on at the same time...

[Big Dave]

A more plausible point of departure would be: What if the Germans had kept Herr Zimmermann away from the telegraph, and delayed the entrance of the US into World War I for six or eight months? The Germans might have won the peace of mutual exhaustion and there would be no Versailles and no chaos in Germany for a deranged corporal to exploit.

[Nitrus]

I think there was an obvious contribution of Hitlers past, linked to his activites and decisions later in life, but he must have been pretty deranged beforehand to even think that his mother died because of the doctors religion... he could have just been a crap doctor. If that doctor had been a German Aryan, hell, Hitler would probably have blamed the nurse, and thrown ALL women in concentration camps.

[bobbylien]

I think there was an obvious contribution of Hitlers past, linked to his activites and decisions later in life, but he must have been pretty deranged beforehand to even think that his mother died because of the doctors religion... he could have just been a crap doctor. If that doctor had been a German Aryan, hell, Hitler would probably have blamed the nurse, and thrown ALL women in concentration camps.
Every action and decision we make is the direct result of past experiences.
I think a very serious question we should consider is whether or not the depression would have happened without the Treaty of Versailles.

[Nitrus]

If the Treaty of Versailles had not been put in place, then the French would have gone apeshit, and probably become hostile towards Germany in the future.

Germany needed to be made an example of, to show that if you start a war, you will lose, and then be punished.

[Big Dave]

What if that British soldier had bayonetted Hitler while he had the chance?

[bobbylien]

If the Treaty of Versailles had not been put in place, then the French would have gone apeshit, and probably become hostile towards Germany in the future.

Germany needed to be made an example of, to show that if you start a war, you will lose, and then be punished.

Yeah, because Britain and France had nothing to do with the start of WW1.

[Big Dave]

If Germany had opted for the 1888 General staff plan (going defensive against France and concentrating on Russia) instead of the Von Schlieffen Plan (sweeping through Belgium), they would have robbed britain of a casus belli. Without the British blockade, the Central Powers win World War One.

If the Germans win World War One, there would have been no World War Two.

[Nitrus]

If Germany had opted for the 1888 General staff plan (going defensive against France and concentrating on Russia) instead of the Von Schlieffen Plan (sweeping through Belgium), they would have robbed britain of a casus belli. Without the British blockade, the Central Powers win World War One.

If the Germans win World War One, there would have been no World War Two.


Wrong, it was never Hitlers initial intention to invade Britain, he wanted us on side, and proposed an alliance between them. It was only when he invaded Poland, and we stepped in, that he was hostile towards us.

And even then, he never made any attempt at a full scale invasion.

[Big Dave]

If the Germans had won World War One, how do you figure there would have been a World War Two?

If the Germans had won World War One, how do you figure Hitler would have ever been anything but a loud-mouthed nobody?

[Yushimi]

If the Treaty of Versailles had not been put in place, then the French would have gone apeshit, and probably become hostile towards Germany in the future.

Germany needed to be made an example of, to show that if you start a war, you will lose, and then be punished.


See... but Germany didn't exactly start the war.