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AlonzoMourning23
06-10-2006, 05:34 PM
SAN JUAN, Puerto Rico - Three Guantanamo Bay detainees hanged themselves with nooses made of sheets and clothes, the commander of the detention center said Saturday.

They were the first reported deaths among the hundreds of men held at the base in Cuba — some of them for up to 4 1/2 years and without charge.

Two men from Saudi Arabia and one from Yemen were found "unresponsive and not breathing in their cells" early Saturday, according to a statement from the Miami-based U.S. Southern Command, which has jurisdiction over the prison. Attempts were made to revive the prisoners, but they failed.

"They hung themselves with fabricated nooses made out of clothes and bed sheets," Navy Rear Adm. Harry Harris told reporters in a conference call from the U.S. base in southeastern Cuba.

Pentagon officials said the three men were in Camp 1, the highest maximum security prison at Guantanamo, and that none of them had tried to commit suicide before.

That camp was also the location where two detainees tried to commit suicide in mid-May, when a riot broke out at the facility. The two men, who took overdoses of an anti-anxiety medication they hoarded, were found and received medical treatment and were recovering.

The United States is holding about 460 men on suspicion of links to al-Qaida and the Taliban at Guantanamo Bay, which has become a sore subject between President Bush and U.S. allies who otherwise are staunch supporters of his policies.

The Pentagon also postponed the military tribunal of Binyam Muhammad, an Ethiopian detainee, originally scheduled for next week. Muhammad is charged with conspiring with Osama bin Laden and other al-Qaida leaders to attack civilians and commit other crimes.

Bush, who was spending the weekend at Camp David, was notified of the incident. The State Department was consulting with the governments of the home countries of the three prisoners, whose names were not released.

The military said in its statement that "all lifesaving measures had been exhausted" in the attempt to revive the detainees. The remains were being treated "with the utmost respect," an issue important to Muslims. A cultural adviser was assisting the military.

Though the military termed the deaths suicides, the Naval Criminal Investigative Service was investigating to establish the official cause and manner of death.

A U.N. panel said May 19 that holding detainees indefinitely at Guantanamo violated the world's ban on torture. The panel said the United States should close the detention center.

German Chancellor Angela Merkel, Danish Prime Minister Anders Fogh Rasmussen and British Prime Minister Tony Blair are among those who also recently have urged the United States to close the prison.

On Friday, after the prison came up during a meeting with Fogh Rasmussen at Camp David, Bush said his goal is to do just that. A total of 759 detainees have been held there, with about 300 released or transferred.

"We would like to end the Guantanamo — we'd like it to be empty," Bush said. But he added: "There are some that, if put out on the streets, would create grave harm to American citizens and other citizens of the world. And, therefore, I believe they ought to be tried in courts here in the United States."

Bush said his administration was waiting for the Supreme Court to rule whether he overstepped his authority in ordering the detainees to be tried by U.S. military tribunals.

Josh Colangelo-Bryan of the Center for Constitutional Rights discovered one of his clients attempting to hang himself last year when he visited Guantanamo, and said he feared there would be more suicides.

Colangelo-Bryan said one detainee recently told him: "I would simply rather die than live here forever without rights."

The military's statement defended the prison, saying detainees pose a danger to the United States and its allies.

"They have expressed a commitment to kill Americans and our friends if released," the statement said. "These are not common criminals. They are enemy combatants being detained because they have waged war against our nation and they continue to pose a threat."

Moazzam Begg, 37, a British Muslim who spent three years in U.S. detention, including two years at Guantanamo before being released in 2005, told The Associated Press: "We all expected something like this but were not prepared. It's just awful. I hope the Bush administration will finally see this is wrong."

There have been increasing displays of defiance from Guantanamo Bay prisoners, with many claiming their innocence.

Until now, Guantanamo officials have said there have been 41 suicide attempts by 25 detainees and no deaths since the U.S. began taking prisoners to the base in January 2002. Defense lawyers contend the number of suicide attempts is higher.

Those held at Guantanamo "have this incredible level of despair that they will never get justice. And now they're gone. And they died without ever having seen a court," Barbara Olshansky of the Center for Constitutional Rights said in a telephone interview from New York. Her group represents about 300 Guantanamo detainees.

She appealed to the Bush administration "for immediate action to do the right thing. They should be taken to court or released. I don't think this country wants the stain of injustice on it for many years to come."

James Yee, a former Army chaplain at Guantanamo Bay who was arrested in 2003 an espionage probe and later cleared, said he had developed the detention center's policy for dealing with a Muslim death because authorities there had long feared that a detainee might die from suicide or some other cause.

Yee attributed the suicides to detainee desperation over their long confinement with no end in sight.

"It was only a matter of time," Yee said in a phone interview from Olympia, Wash.

On May 18, in one of the prison's most violent incidents, a detainee staged a suicide attempt to lure guards into a cellblock where they were attacked by prisoners armed with makeshift weapons, the military said. Earlier that day, two detainees overdosed on antidepressants they collected from other detainees and hoarded in their cells. The men have since recovered.

There also has been a hunger strike among detainees since August. The number of inmates refusing food dropped to 18 by last weekend from a high of 131. The military has at times used aggressive force-feeding methods, including a restraint chair.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060610/ap_on_go_ca_st_pe/guantanamo_suicides;_ylt=AjoEwMeZJFlCcg6YczDWSEOs0 NUE;_ylu=X3oDMTA2Z2szazkxBHNlYwN0bQ--

I wouldn't care that much if we knew these people were guilty, but considering the lack of trials and some people being arrested for simply having the wrong watch, or being denied release because they got 2 witnesses to testify for them but failed to get the afghan government to respond to requests, there's no way of knowing whether these people did anything wrong. Did terrorists kill themselves, or innocent people wrongly held?

CheesyMuslim
06-10-2006, 09:10 PM
Sorry bout that,

1. Seeing they offed themselves, I see no foul.
2. These prisoners are being treated with the up-most care, costs are very high to make sure these hetherns have the correct diet.
3. I think its fair to say we have bent over backwards for these men, and they still want to die.
4. There is still 460 enemies of the State there, and this isn't a time to get weak and let them back into society.
5. We need to replace these three with three more as soon as possible.
6. They are enemy combatants, and don't deserve United States Equal Rights Protections.
7. They are terrorists for Gawwds sake!
8. Lock em up and throw away the key. Case Closed!

Regards,
SirJamesofTexas

AlonzoMourning23
06-10-2006, 11:37 PM
How do we know they're terrorists? The documents released by the cia seemed to indicate many weren't, or at least there's no real reason to believe they are, and it's not like they're being tried.

CheesyMuslim
06-11-2006, 04:08 PM
Sorry bout that,

1. But we can not give them trials.
2. They must be sentenced to 20 years in jail atleast.
3. Then give the a Military Tribunal.
4. If they can prove they were innocent, then let them go.
5. Its to risky to let them go now.

Regards,
SirjamesofTexas

AlonzoMourning23
06-11-2006, 04:22 PM
We have people there who were simply arrested for wearing the wrong watch, I have no faith in their guilt. That's especially true when we refuse to give them trials.

CheesyMuslim
06-11-2006, 04:52 PM
Sorry bout that,

1. In all seriousness, we don't need to put them on trial.
2. We need to send them back to their prospective countries, and allow them to try them.
3. If they are set free without a trial, start sanctions.
4. If they put them on trial, and it appears fair, then what ever the out come with live with it.
5. They should spend no less than ten years in our prison first.

Regards,
SirJamesofTexas

PittsburghAfterDark
06-11-2006, 06:17 PM
Three less mouths to feed that I'm paying for.

Give them all rope.

CheesyMuslim
06-11-2006, 08:21 PM
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We have people there who were simply arrested for wearing the wrong watch, I have no faith in their guilt. That's especially true when we refuse to give them trials.


Sorry bout that,

1. But wrong watch, what the h_ll does that mean?
2. That has to be another Liberal Media Test story that you bought hook line and sinker.
3. Here's how it happened ;)Â*Â*Our Military was on patrol, came up on a group of people in Iraq, the troop commander yells at them,"Hey lets see those watches your wearing, quick lets see em!" they all showed their watches, those who had Mickey Mouse Watches were arrested and sent immediately to Gitmo.
4. This kind of freedom isn't quite ready for Iraq they say.

Regards,
SirJamesofTexas

rodeojones903
06-12-2006, 07:06 AM
Three less mouths to feed that I'm paying for.

Give them all rope.


Sounds good to me.

AlonzoMourning23
06-12-2006, 11:32 AM
1. But wrong watch, what the h_ll does that mean?

http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/la-na-gitmo4mar04,0,7448482.story?page=1&coll=la-home-headlines

From documents released by the pentagon. There is a significantly brain damaged man who, according to the guards at guantanimo, might be able to follow simply commands. A guy who was arrested for wearing a casio watch because the same type had been found on terrorists. Another there only being held because the afghan government refuses to respond to requests, even though he has fulfilled the tribunal requests of providing witnesses to his innocence.

Also:

According to the pentagon 95% are not captured by u.s. forces, 86% were handed over to the u.s. by in afghanistan and pakistan after they the u.s. military had posted rewards for any suspected militant captured.Â*Â*

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/4708946.stm

A few of them have even been acquitted, acknowledged by the government to have been in the wrong place at the wrong time, but still won't be released http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/4180292.stm

edit: the first link seems dead. The article can be found here, on a site I posted it on when the government first released the documents:Â*Â*
http://www.cheapassgamer.com/forums/showthread.php?t=86785

Here's the part on the watch:

The transcripts describe the circumstances of their capture, and offer a glimpse of the sort of evidence that U.S. military officials consider incriminating.

One detainee, for instance, was challenged to explain why he was found in possession of a certain model Casio wristwatch. That model watch "has been used in bombings that have been linked to Al Qaeda," a tribunal official said.

"I didn't know that watch was for the terrorists," the detainee, a Yemeni, replied. "I saw a lot of American people wearing the same watch. Does that mean we're all terrorists?"

AlonzoMourning23
06-12-2006, 11:33 AM
It appears one of them was to be released, though they never actually told him:

One of the three men who committed suicide at the US prison camp at Guantanamo Bay was due to be released - but did not know it, says a US lawyer.
Mark Denbeaux, who represents some of the foreign detainees said the man was among 141 prisoners due to be released.

He said the prisoner was not told because US officials had not decided which country he would be sent to.

Meanwhile, a top US official appeared to row back from the tough line taken by other officials over the suicides.

At the weekend, one top state department official called them a "good PR move to draw attention", while the camp commander said it was an "act of asymmetric warfare waged against us".

"I wouldn't characterise this as a good PR move," Cully Stimson, US deputy assistance secretary of defence, told the BBC's Today programme, on Monday.

"What I would say is that we are always concerned when someone takes his own life, because as Americans we value life even if it is the life of a violent terrorist captured waging war against our country."

'Despair'

The Pentagon named the prisoner who had been recommended for transfer as 30-year-old Saudi Arabian Mani Shaman Turki al-Habardi Al-Utaybi.

He was a member of a banned Saudi militant group, the defence department said.

The other two men who died on Saturday morning were named as Ali Abdullah Ahmed, 28, from Yemen, and Yassar Talal al-Zahrani, 21, another Saudi Arabian.

Ahmed was a mid- to high-level al-Qaeda operative who had participated in a long-term hunger strike from late 2005 to May, and was "non-compliant and hostile" to guards, the Pentagon said.

Zahrani, 21, was a "front-line" Taleban fighter who helped procure weapons for use against US and coalition forces in Afghanistan, according to the department.

Professor Denbeaux told the BBC World Service that the feeling among detainees at the Cuba camp was one of hopelessness.

"These people are told they'll be 50 by the time they get out, that they have no hope of getting out. They've been denied a hearing, they have no chance to be released," he said.

He said US policy was to refuse to tell prisoners they were due to be released until a location had been found.

Utaybi had been declared a "safe person, free to be released" but the US needed a country to send him to, Professor Denbeaux said.

"His despair was great enough and in his ignorance he went and killed himself," he said.

Mounting criticism

The prison camp at the US base in Guantanamo Bay, Cuba, holds some 460 prisoners, the vast majority without charge.

There have been dozens of suicide attempts since the camp was set up four years ago - but none successful until now.

Criticism of the camp is mounting, even among President Bush's Republicans.

"There are tribunals established... Where we have evidence they ought to be tried, and if convicted they ought to be sentenced," said Republican Arlen Specter, chairman of the Senate Judiciary Committee.

Some inmates had been detained on "the flimsiest sort of hearsay", he added.

The United Nations rapporteur on torture, Manfred Nowak, said European leaders should use a summit with President George W Bush next week to press for the prison's closure.

Danish Prime Minister Anders Fogh Rasmussen said procedures at Guantanamo Bay violated the rule of law and undermined the fight against terrorism.



http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/5070514.stm

Churchel
06-13-2006, 08:38 PM
Aysemetric warfare! Dammit we need to show these terrorists that they cant beat us at any game! PM me with your street addresses and I will send 10 feet segments of rope! We'll show them!

From what I have read here I belive some of you could manage with a soupbowl, half filled. Extra points for that! I will be watching the news, waiting for your successes!