I talked about CWN at school

[Professor]

We were discussing gun control and how far the right to bear arms should extend.Â*Â*I brought up CWN's guns in schools idea.


Sorry bout that,

1. But we are seeing, *The Universities*, looking into how to deal with these rough students.
2. Looks like they need a secret *Arms Handler*.
3. In every class room.
4. Kind of like what we do in the skies now.
5. On board *Air Marshals*.
6. Teach these students *Desk Marshals*, to carry secretly, and not cause alarm.
6.a) If anyone goes nutjob, at least there are these *Desk Marshals* in place to take these terrorists out!
7. Here's a link:
http://blog.nola.com/times-picayune/2007...icies.html


Two people agreed with the Desk Marshalls idea.Â*Â*

[micfranklin]

How many people thought you were crazy?;)

[Professor]

How many people thought you were crazy?;)


I explained it was a theory from a member of a political website I post at. When they realized I spent free time voluntarily posting about politics then they thought I was crazy.

[Mayberry]

They should listen to Chess. The only way to prevent violence is to maintain the threat of violence in return. Maybe not knowing how many guns are around to shoot the shooter would prove to be a powerful deterrent. My home security is provided by Smith & Wesson, and I have a warning proclaiming this in my front window. My house has never been broken into. Though I do live in a neighborhood overwhelmingly populated by outdoorsmen, many of whom have a small arsenal. It's a very quiet neighborhood. :D

[Alonzo]

My house has never been broken into. Though I do live in a neighborhood overwhelmingly populated by outdoorsmen, many of whom have a small arsenal. It's a very quiet neighborhood.

No one one my block that I know of owns a gun, and I know about half of them definately do not own one. Not a single house has ever been broken into in the years I've been here.

[jafar00]

What is the world coming to when people even think to consider hiding armed Marshalls in a school?
I'm from Australia where gun ownership is severely restricted, there has not been a single school massacre. None in France where I live now either.
Sticking armed Marshalls in school is not the solution. What needs to be done is to find out what the root of the problem is. Why are there so many school massacres in the US?

[Labrocca]

Armed marshalls in each class might be a bit over the top but armed security for universities (public and private) might have to be considered. Having the ability to shoot a few students is one thing..but shooting 32 is totally another. I believe that never could have happened had anyone around the campus had a gun to go after this guy.

[bobbylien]

Armed marshalls in each class might be a bit over the top but armed security for universities (public and private) might have to be considered. Having the ability to shoot a few students is one thing..but shooting 32 is totally another. I believe that never could have happened had anyone around the campus had a gun to go after this guy.

Correction. It wouldn't have happened if he wasn't able to get an automatic rifle with no questions asked.

[Buck Laser]

Armed marshalls in each class might be a bit over the top but armed security for universities (public and private) might have to be considered. Having the ability to shoot a few students is one thing..but shooting 32 is totally another. I believe that never could have happened had anyone around the campus had a gun to go after this guy.

Correction. It wouldn't have happened if he wasn't able to get an automatic rifle with no questions asked.


Bobby, I hate to be the one to correct you, since I do favor realistic gun control, but the Va Tech shootings involved neither a rifle nor an automatic weapon. The shooter worked exclusively with semi-automatic handguns, which have always been legal in one form or another. I think the question should be how a person with a known history of mental instability can get guns with no background check.

The idea of having to be prepared for such nuts by going armed oneself is the one that bothers me.

[jafar00]

Proponents of gun rights say they want to bear arms to protect themselves from armed criminals, but what of other countries where guns are restricted? Relatively few criminals can get hold of a scarce thing as a gun, and there are no school massacres.
Armed Marshalls in schools, apart from being a sad reflection of the state of US society, can only mean another boom time for scumbags like Blackwater private mercenaries.

[CheesyMuslim]

Sorry bout that,

1. But there is no better way but to have *Desk Marshals*.
2. Code name, *DM's*.
3. There should be a secret program.
4. Funded by the government.
5. Where Secret Service men, recruit either ex military men, who are now doing their college time, do to pay backs while in service.
6. Or students with a view to go into the military some day .
7. Absorb some of their expenses, and pay them an income for packing heat.
8. There really isn't a better idea out there.
9. I am a genius.
10. Thanks.

Regards,
SirJamesofTexas

[bobbylien]

Why can't we simply help these people before they get into a situation where they feel the need to go and kill as many people as possible? Honestly, I don't think any amount of gun control could really stop someone who is that determined. If theres money to be made, someone will sell the gun to him. I just believe that it shouldn't be so easy to get a gun. Any criminal record at all should automaticly disqualify you from gun ownership, I'm talking about even a speeding ticket. Maybe that'd get those damn redneck white trash people to obey the speed limits. haha

[CheesyMuslim]

Sorry bout that,



Correction. It wouldn't have happened if he wasn't able to get an automatic rifle with no questions asked.
[/quote]

1. But where has bobby been?
2. He really didn't know?
3. Man that's got to be embarrassing as hell.
4. It was blasted on all news channels.
5. Wow, that says a lot about Bobby.
6. Anyway, never mind.

Regards,
SirJamesofTexas

[Alonzo]

Why can't we simply help these people before they get into a situation where they feel the need to go and kill as many people as possible? Honestly, I don't think any amount of gun control could really stop someone who is that determined. If theres money to be made, someone will sell the gun to him. I just believe that it shouldn't be so easy to get a gun. Any criminal record at all should automaticly disqualify you from gun ownership, I'm talking about even a speeding ticket. Maybe that'd get those damn redneck white trash people to obey the speed limits. haha


People obey the speed limits there? On interstate 95 in New Hampshire the speed limit is 65 and, and I'm not joking, the flow of traffic is 75-90 mph, depending on the lane and the time of day. One time I wasn't paying attention and just was staying with traffic, I looked down at my speedometer and I was doing 90. On top of that I looked behind me and saw a cop, a sherrif to be precise. Apparently I wasn't going fast enough, since all he did was go over into the right lane and pass me. Wasn't in a hurry either, as a few minutes later I saw him stop at the toll booth and pay the toll.

On i-93 all but the first lane is going 80, though it depends on the time of day.

I like that idea. Even though that means I can't buy a gun, I prefer to pay you to keep it than to give it to me.

As long as I can buy swords I'm happy.

Then again, you'll still get people who try things like this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8536J5LN5Tk

[Alonzo]

Proponents of gun rights say they want to bear arms to protect themselves from armed criminals, but what of other countries where guns are restricted?

Society would be safer if guns were illegal.......................... 20 years from now. You won't see positive results in the short term.

[Stoner]

Society would be safer if guns were illegal.......................... 20 years from now

Great. So 20 years from now the only people that will have guns will be the criminals.

Superb idea!

[Alonzo]

My point was the benefits would take time. They'd have to be banned for a while.

[Mayberry]

I'm talking about even a speeding ticket. Maybe that'd get those damn redneck white trash people to obey the speed limits. haha
Bobby, Mr. PC, that was uncalled for. But apparently "redneck white trash" is the only group left in this country that is still eligible for ridicule without fear of reprisal. I would rather be surrounded by 10,000 rednecks than one Bobbylien any day of the week. Rednecks are good people. "White trash" is a whole separate group. Every race has their trash. If the shiite hit the fan in this country, you can bet that the first ones to respond in force would be good ol' gun totin' rednecks, here to save YOUR butt. You will never ban guns in this country, so give it up. Denying someone a gun for a speeding ticket is idiotic. Yes, we should try harder to keep the guns away from the wackos, I have no problem waiting 2 weeks or more to be cleared for a purchase, I'm a patient guy. But no system is perfect, and as prohibition showed, banning something is quite a hopeless endeavour.

[Alonzo]

May, there's a population that redneck specifically refers to? It doesn't seem to pinpoint anyone in particular.

[CheesyMuslim]

Sorry bout that,

1. But yeah, I agree, bobby likes to generalize about white folks, I just noticed.
2. I guess all us white rednecks live in a trailer park, where we are surrounded by other white trash eh bobby?
3. Some people!

Regards,
SirJamesofTexas

[Buck Laser]

May, there's a population that redneck specifically refers to? It doesn't seem to pinpoint anyone in particular.

"White trash" is one of those things that's indefinable, but you know it when you see it. In that respect, it's a bit like pornography.

[Alonzo]

May, there's a population that redneck specifically refers to? It doesn't seem to pinpoint anyone in particular.

"White trash" is one of those things that's indefinable, but you know it when you see it.Â*Â*In that respect, it's a bit like pornography.



See, that's what I always thought the term was. Whenever people make comments that that, or redneck, is like a racial slur it never made sense to me.

[Alonzo]

Everytime I see the title of this thread I think it reads:

"I think about CWN at school"

[CheesyMuslim]

Sorry bout that,

1. Sure everyone who reads my stuff has to think about what I say.
2. Because I am dead on correct!
3. And they have to keep measuring my words against theirs to justify their own thought process.
4. Of-course they almost blow a fuse, trying to defend themselves.
5. But in the end, everyone knows, its ( I ), *The Great CWN* who wins all inner head debates!

Regards,
SirJamesofTexas

[Mayberry]

See, that's what I always thought the term was. Whenever people make comments that that, or redneck, is like a racial slur it never made sense to me.
Well let me explain it. If you see a white guy, in a pickup, with a gun rack, what's the first thing you think? It's just the same as if you see a black man, at 3 a.m., on a dark street, is it not? You come to a racially motivated conclusion, or so they say. Not all black men on dark streets at 3 a.m. are bad people, not all white guys in pickups with gun racks are rednecks. On this forum, I have been called an ignorant back woods redneck, which sounds like a slur to me, not that I care. Although I would wear the label of redneck with pride, because to me, a redneck is a hearty, self sufficient, hard working, honorable, trustworthy, patriotic American. Redneck is a state of mind. And I've known plenty of blacks and hispanics that are rednecks too. But so many use the term to describe someone they believe to be an ignorant, racist white person. It is a racial slur.

[NortheastCynic]

5. But in the end, everyone knows, its ( I ), *The Great CWN* who wins all inner head debates!This is the greatest quote I've ever read. I literally laughed out loud when I read this, thank you.

-NC

[Alonzo]

If you see a white guy, in a pickup, with a gun rack, what's the first thing you think?

I've never seen it. Then again I don't know what a gun rack looks like, so I probably would be trying to figure out what it is. I might think of him as a jackass, but he'd need to throw up a confederate flag for me to think redneck bigot.

It's just the same as if you see a black man, at 3 a.m., on a dark street, is it not?

I've walked around buffalo, ny multiple times past midnight and saw tons of black people, and when I lived in toronto whenever I walked around at night I saw black people. If someone has their hand hidden, and not in a pant pocket, I walk away. It's the same with white people at night.

Actually when my car got totalled in Buffalo around 1 a.m. it was a black man who gave me a ride to the hotel.

But so many use the term to describe someone they believe to be an ignorant, racist white person. It is a racial slur.

This is where I struggle. The term is only being applied to people who are believd to behave like ignorant racists. The race isn't the deciding factor, it's the behavior. Hell, if a black guy were talking about the south rising again and other stereotypical redneck things I'd probably think the same. Actually first I'd think he's an idiot for wanting the racist south to rise again, then I'd think he's a redneck.

[Mayberry]

he'd need to throw up a confederate flag for me to think redneck bigot.
You just made my argument for me. I'd think he's an idiot for wanting the racist south to rise again, then I'd think he's a redneck. The War of Northern Aggression :D was about state's rights. But that's neither here nor there. The term is only being applied to people who are believd to behave like ignorant racists. Therefore condemning a whole segment of the population for the behavior of a few. The same thing Imus was fired for.

[Alonzo]

That's the thing, I don't understand how that condemns the whole population. Unless it's suddenly a bad thing to condemn confederate flag waving idiots (I'm assuming to separate behaviors). It's not like they represent the white population.

[Buck Laser]

See, that's what I always thought the term was. Whenever people make comments that that, or redneck, is like a racial slur it never made sense to me.
Well let me explain it. If you see a white guy, in a pickup, with a gun rack, what's the first thing you think? It's just the same as if you see a black man, at 3 a.m., on a dark street, is it not? You come to a racially motivated conclusion, or so they say. Not all black men on dark streets at 3 a.m. are bad people, not all white guys in pickups with gun racks are rednecks. On this forum, I have been called an ignorant back woods redneck, which sounds like a slur to me, not that I care. Although I would wear the label of redneck with pride, because to me, a redneck is a hearty, self sufficient, hard working, honorable, trustworthy, patriotic American. Redneck is a state of mind. And I've known plenty of blacks and hispanics that are rednecks too. But so many use the term to describe someone they believe to be an ignorant, racist white person. It is a racial slur.


Well see, Craig, this is where you and I live in different worlds. I live in a mixed neighborhood, and in the unlikely event that I'm out at 3 AM and see a black guy, he's most likely one of my neighbors. By the same token, there are some white turds who occasionally drive through my neighborhood with loud pipes on their pickups, and I have to confess that they annoy the hell out of me. It happens that there are a couple of gay households on my block too, but I haven't noticed anything to get mad about with them, either. So I have to come to the conclusion that you may be a littlle more paranoid--or something--than me. By the way, looking at my tax bill, I see that my property value has gone up too.

[CheesyMuslim]

Sorry bout that,

1. But how are we going to protect these young people from insane madmen?
2. I am indeed sorry you're tax load went up again Buckaroo.
3. But that's the breaks.
4. What is you're idea to protect the young folks in High Schools, and Colleges?
5. Or are you to busy doing you're late night watering?
6. Pack heat when you go after midnight, is my advice.

Regards,
SirJamesofTexas

[Truth_and_Power]

CLASSROOM SAMURAI!! Like SNL.

[Labrocca]

Old thread to bring up but hey why not.

[Buck Laser]

Sorry bout that,
1. But how are we going to protect these young people from insane madmen?
2. I am indeed sorry you're tax load went up again Buckaroo.
3. But that's the breaks.
4. What is you're idea to protect the young folks in High Schools, and Colleges?
5. Or are you to busy doing you're late night watering?
6. Pack heat when you go after midnight, is my advice.
Regards,
SirJamesofTexas

I can't believe I'm doing a numbered response to one of Cheesy's posts, but here goes:

1. I'm sure as hell not gonna instill fear in them, or urge them to pack a gun. The school mental health people should have seen this coming.

2 & 3. My tax load didn't go up. There's a cap on property taxes for senior citizens.

4. This mass shooting business is rare, so I don't worry about it. Money would better be spent on mental health services than guns. If everyone carried a gun, I'd guaran-damn-tee that the firearms death rate would go up.

5. I water at night because it works better--don't lose as much to evaporation. Why do you ask?

6. How is packing a gun really gonna protect me? Far as I can see the chances of shooting myself in the leg increase by 100% that way.

But WTF, if it scares you to go out at night, be my guest!:sadly:

[Mayberry]

My tax load didn't go up. There's a cap on property taxes for senior citizens.
Yeah, your load was passed on to the rest of us who are trying to make a living and raise a family. I'm probably going to sell my house. Between taxes and insurance, I'm essentially making 2 mortgage payments. Nearly 3K per year in property tax. Outrageous!

[Buck Laser]

My tax load didn't go up. There's a cap on property taxes for senior citizens.
Yeah, your load was passed on to the rest of us who are trying to make a living and raise a family. I'm probably going to sell my house. Between taxes and insurance, I'm essentially making 2 mortgage payments. Nearly 3K per year in property tax. Outrageous!

Hey, I don't think it's particularly fair, either. But it's the law, and I doubt that it's gonna change. By the way, I don't exactly live in a mansion--standard issue 3 br, 2 ba on a small lot. But it's in Austin, and I like that. I've said many times that I don't object fundamentally to taxes because I get a lot for the money I pay. I just wish we weren't pissing all that money away in the war against Iraq. Maybe we could get some better roads and health care then.

[Mayberry]

I don't exactly live in a mansion--standard issue 3 br, 2 ba on a small lot. Same here. But I think I'm gonna sell it. Maybe I'll buy a large travel trailer and live in it for a while. Sure would save a lot of money! Mama doesn't think too much of the idea, but maybe she'll come around if she realizes that she won't have to work and can stay home with the kiddos.

[CheesyMuslim]

Sorry bout that,

1. But here's an idea Mayberry, you sale your house, and buy a condo on the beach on Port A, then rent it for 200.00 a day and buy another house with it.
2. The *Sea Gull* was very nice, next to the *Sand Piper*.
3. You could make a smooth 6k a month renting a condo there.
4. I wonder what they cost???
5. Let me know if you find out?

Regards,
SirJamesofTexas

[jafar00]

Sorry bout that CWN, but with the housing market like it is in the US, it's a bad idea.

[CheesyMuslim]

Sorry bout that,

1. Its always a good time to buy a condo jafar.
2. Also real estate is always a good investment, keeps going up.
3. You are in Australia, what makes you think you know anything about real estate here?
4. Most people make money on real estate here dude-a-rooney.

Regards,
SirJamesofTexas

[Deadshot]

Sorry bout that,

1. But how are we going to protect these young people from insane madmen?

We try and do our best. When mistakes are made we try and improve ourselves. But we are not an armed camp, we are a free nation.

2. I am indeed sorry you're tax load went up again Buckaroo.
3. But that's the breaks.
4. What is you're idea to protect the young folks in High Schools, and Colleges?

Diligence and tight Security. As a cop, I don't want every Tom, Dick and Harry packin' heat. Jeez, we don't even let kids drive until 16 or vote until 18 or drink until 21, I DO NOT want any kid armed!

As to teachers, since I want to be a High School History teacher, I'd have to say I'm against it. But in extreme circumstances there is a certain logic in arming a select few teachers. But armed security would be the better choice, IMHO.

5. Or are you to busy doing you're late night watering?
6. Pack heat when you go after midnight, is my advice.

Regards,
SirJamesofTexas


Be careful of #6, not everyone - even those with arms training - should be "packin heat." You could turn a fist fight that has two people walking away bruised into a murder scene.

[Mayberry]

but with the housing market like it is in the US, it's a bad idea. This area has a niche economy Jafar. It never follows national trends. People from California and New York especially are flocking here to buy up our "cheap" real estate. My place is worth $125,000. The same house in California would go for $500,000. Our local real estate market is booming.

[Truth_and_Power]

The condo market in fla is F*cked

[Mayberry]

The condo market in fla is F*cked
That sucks. Come to Corpus!