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rastaman
06-06-2006, 09:27 PM
Can anyone recall the first shot fired to slowly take away the freedoms and liberties from the American people????? Can anyone recall where they were and what they were busy doing on that fateful day on 12 December 2000????

Let me refresh everyone’s memory, well, this was the day the Supreme Court (SC) mysteriously sided (5-4) with the GW BUSH Crime Family to stop the "Florida Recount" and just nonchalantly inserted Bush in to the W.H. as all knowing dictator "KING GEORGE". The SC said their decision to hand Bush the Presidency was a on-time affair; never to be used again. By implementing their “On-time” ruling, the Supreme Court was complicit in a coup and ushered in a period Corporate Fascism to America.

Now of course for the SC to arrive at their bias unconstitutional decision, the SC had to ignore the decision handed down by the Florida (FLA) Supreme Court. The FLA. SC ruled to allow the recount to continue until all votes were counted. So you ask yourself what’s wrong with counting all votes. What's wrong with the will of the American people in regards to one person - one vote? After all it's the American way right??

Rest assured, the Bush Administration was afraid of the outcome to allow the vote count to continue for fear of eventually loosing the outcome. This is why they rushed their argument before the Supreme Court.

GW Bush and the Neo Con henchmen and thugs either allowed or were complicit in allowing 911 to take place or the Bush Administration simply planned and ordered the attack on the American people. During the entire month of 6 August 2001, countless of daily Security Bulletin Briefings coming across Bush's desk stated "Osama Determine to Attack America" using planes as Missiles" were ignored by the Bush Administration. Never once during this period in August 2001 did Bush call a meeting with his security cabinet officials. Bush merely continued his 5 week long vacation. Bush elected to stay on vacation despite of the documented facts that the out going President Clinton, warned GWB that his biggest security concerns will be dealing with "OSAMA BIN LADEN". The proof is out there folks; the only problem is a lack of interest and critical thinking on behalf of the American people to search for the truth on what happened on 911. The internet has the truth on what happened on 911. Do your Google homework.

The rich and powerful crooks who run this country hates the constitution and all for what “We the People”; and they seek our total submission and obedience. REMEMBER BUSH said you are either with him or against him.

For those reporters who dare speak the truth or for gov’t whistle blowers who attempt to speak the truth. Bush views these true patriots as terrorist (who are against him) and wants them prosecuted under the Patriot Act. Now remember the Patriot Act was passed to protect America against another terrorist attack; right? Bush plans to use the Patriot Act on all Americans’ who dare questions his dictatorial rule!!!!! Bush will sign into law this week making the Patriot Act permanent!

Just remember historians have always questioned the German people after Hitler took power in Germany "How could they allow such a monster to come to power and eventually take their country over the Clift"

The German people's reply was simple; "By the time they realized just how evil and dangerous Hitler was, it was too late fore they knew that Hitler and the Nazi party controlled their congress, Military, the Judicial System, the news media (corporate owned), the Radio Stations and the Chancellery.

Hitler used the Reistag Fire as an excuse to consolidate power and took away Germany's first amendment rights and freedoms all in the name of protecting the German citizens and country from terrorism. Now we see history repeating itself by GWB using the attacks on 911 to impose and past the Patriot Acts’ I and II. The passing of the Patriot Acts will start the slow deterioration of America’s freedoms and liberties all in the name of stopping Terrorism.

"GAME OVER FOLKS". The German people could only watch as this mad man took their country over the abyss. You see, the German people were trying to be good Nazi’s; just like the American people are trying to be good Americans (patriotic) in the name of the war on terror. Which really means continue to not question Bush and give him complete powers without questioning anything.

AMERICA DOES THAT SOUND FAMILIAR!!!!! YOU MUST ASK YOURSSELF CAN HISTORY REPEAT ITSELF. Can you truly have or declare war on an ideology????? Terror or Terrorism is an Ideology----you cannot defeat this type of ideology with a conventional standing army and hired gun type contractors who are willing to sell their services to the highest bidder at tax payers expense. Economists have projected that the Iraq occupation will cost tax payer a Trillion dollars. These trillion dollar estimates will end up in the coffers of the "Military Industrialize Complex" (MIC). Halliburton and KR Brown and Root, are part of the MIC.

Is Bush the new Hitler of the 21st Century?? The similarities are there----you must admit there is no denying that the Bush Admin. and the Neo Cons are using the Hitler play book to consolidate their lust for imperialistic power.

“NEVER SAY NEVER”. For those of us who choose to ignore history or who are ignorant of historical facts, tend to allow history to repeat itself.

Will you let historians hold you accountable for allowing this current administration to take America over the ABYSS!!!!!! Bush & Cheney must be impeached and thrown out of office as soon as possible and the henchmen who have done their bidding and blindly followed the illegal orders of the Bush crime Family must be incarcerated.

AMERICA, now is the time for progressive democrats and moderate republicans to come together and vote as one constituency to save our republic and our democracy. We must vote progressive democrats and moderate republicans into power in both the House and Senate to take back our country; beginning with the 2006 elections.

If we can accomplish this feat then and only then can “Impeachment” of the Bush Crime Family become a real possibility.

Labrocca
06-06-2006, 09:33 PM
Eventually there was independent counts of the Florida vote showing Bush indeed did win the election.

It's old news what you are bringing up and by the time you begain impeachment of Bush he would be out of office anyways. Maybe your time would be best spent getting support for the 2008 election instead of bashing the current President. However I hope you continue to get distracted and mud sling that way your mean spirited rhetoric will again help the GOP win as it did in 2004.

Your rhetoric isn't very convincing. It's the same diatribe the liberals have been voicing for years now. Nothing new for anyone here to read.

rastaman
06-06-2006, 09:41 PM
If those “overvotes” were counted, as they Sould have been, Gore would have carried Florida regardless of what standard of chad – dimpled, hanging, punched-through – was used in counting the so-called “undervotes,” according to an examination of those ballots by a group of leading news organizations.

http://www.consortiumnews.com/2001/112101a.html

DHard3006
06-06-2006, 09:53 PM
The leftist aka progressives have been attacking the rights of Americans for more then 70 years.
Which party was in office when American citizens were forced into internment camps?

Labrocca
06-06-2006, 10:02 PM
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/U.S._presidential_election,_2000

Read better facts about the election results.

Also Bush clearly won 2004 so eventually he did win the Presidency. If Gore did win in 2000 then Bush in 2004 we would have Bush most likely in 2008 win...Gore ain't gonna run this time because he was a poor candidate. If Bush was so terrible then why didn't Gore win by a landslide decision.

I know you guys feel robbed but jeez it's such old news. You had your chance in 2004 to win it back and you lost. Get over it...or not. Like I said. If you want to stay distracted by the past it makes the win easier for the GOP in 2008.

hehe..

Labrocca
06-06-2006, 10:04 PM
Can anyone recall the first shot fired to slowly take away the freedoms and liberties from the American people?


I really want to know what freedom or liberty you have lost. Personally I haven't experienced a single loss.

rastaman
06-06-2006, 10:47 PM
Can anyone recall the first shot fired to slowly take away the freedoms and liberties from the American people?


I really want to know what freedom or liberty you have lost.**Personally I haven't experienced a single loss.**



LABROCCA = OSTRICH SYNDROME.

Labrocca
06-06-2006, 11:04 PM
Thanks for answering my question. Your silence is all I need.l

Alonzo
06-06-2006, 11:25 PM
Eventually there was independent counts of the Florida vote showing Bush indeed did win the election.

Bush won on the basis of what was counted, but evidence of intent (hanging chads, extremely high votes for buchanan) strongly suggest more people believed they had voted for gore. Basically, bush won due to problems in how the vote was run, and florida had an abnormal amount of problems.

The leftist aka progressives have been attacking the rights of Americans for more then 70 years.
Which party was in office when American citizens were forced into internment camps?

Yes, because there was such an uproar from conservatives. Hell, a very famous modern day conservative even wrote a book supporting internment. Internment would have happened due to racism and the war, it happened in the u.s. and canada. Republican or democrat, internment camps would likely have been a reality either way.

But your statement is really absurd. Who signed the civil rights act? Which group supports increased homosexual rights? Which group supports the right to abortion? Which group rallied against segregation?They were democrats, and the liberal aspects of the democratic party (if you go back to the time when there wasn't a liberal/conservative line between parties) where those things recieved the strongest support. Agree with the individual policies or not, the idea that liberals have been attacking the rights of americans, more so than conservatives, for 70+ years is absurd.

Now, if we are talking about protecting the superiority of white heterosexual christian men, then I guess I'd have to agree with you.

Labrocca
06-07-2006, 12:14 AM
Both parties imho support freedom and America in general. America is what it is today because of the 2 parties involved. Neither wants to give the other credit for anything good it's done.

My personal opinion is that the current Democratic party is seriously in need of direction and good leadership.

DHard3006
06-07-2006, 12:36 AM
Internment would have happened due to racism and the war, it happened in the u.s. and canada. Republican or democrat, internment camps would likely have been a reality either way.
What party was FDR in? Which leftist aka progressive gun banner president called FDR the greatest president?
But your statement is really absurd. Who signed the civil rights act?
Which party pushed to free the blacks? Was it the republicans? Which party in the southern states you know the southern democrats passed the jim crow laws?
Which group supports increased homosexual rights?
It cost them the last elections.
Which group supports the right to abortion?
It cost them the last elections.
Which group rallied against segregation?
Gee did not the republicans fight to free them?
They were democrats, and the liberal aspects of the democratic party (if you go back to the time when there wasn't a liberal/conservative line between parties) where those things recieved the strongest support. Agree with the individual policies or not, the idea that liberals have been attacking the rights of americans, more so than conservatives, for 70+ years is absurd.
Gee southern democrats were against the rights of black Americans. In fact there is now reports that they keep records on black Americans fighting for their rights and turned that information over to the KKK. Leftist aka progressives attack the right to bear arms from the state level to the federal level.
Was not George Wallace a democrat? Did not George Wallace attempt to keep students out of the University of Alabama.

Alonzo
06-07-2006, 01:26 AM
Internment would have happened due to racism and the war, it happened in the u.s. and canada. Republican or democrat, internment camps would likely have been a reality either way.
What party was FDR in? Which leftist aka progressive gun banner president called FDR the greatest president?

Democrats aren't the same as liberal, and republicans aren't the same as conservative. That's a more modern combination.

And no president has banned guns or called for that.

But your statement is really absurd. Who signed the civil rights act?

Which party pushed to free the blacks? Was it the republicans?

Yes, and they were the liberal party at the time.

Which party in the southern states you know the southern democrats passed the jim crow laws?

The southern democrats became the dixiecrats, and eventually joined the republican party, which was becoming the conservative party.

And, even before that, if you break down the voting records on civil rights by region (ie. southern democrats vs souther republicans, northern dems vs repubs) the democrats had a higher percentage in favor in each region.



It cost them the last elections.

So be it, they were still fighting for the rights of americans, while your conservatives fought against granting americans rights, or fought for removing rights from americans. You can't honestly suggest that it's only a right when the majority of americans support it.


Gee did not the republicans fight to free them?

Yes, liberal republicans did that. By the civil rights era, the republicans were fast becoming the conservative party. And the democrats who opposed such things were conservative democrats. You're attacking liberals, and assuming the democratic party has always been the liberal party, and always acts as a liberal party.


Gee southern democrats were against the rights of black Americans. In fact there is now reports that they keep records on black Americans fighting for their rights and turned that information over to the KKK.

So weren't southern republicans, the party that the southern democrats eventually defected to.

Leftist aka progressives attack the right to bear arms from the state level to the federal level.

So be it, one wants gun control and the other wants to outlaw same sex adoption, same sex marriage, abortion, supports racial profiling, supports imprisonment without trial (in some cases) etc. I think it's a little lopsided.

Was not George Wallace a democrat? Did not George Wallace attempt to keep students out of the University of Alabama.


Was he liberal/leftist/progressive? No. Was the democratic party the main liberal party then? No.

Both parties imho support freedom and America in general. America is what it is today because of the 2 parties involved. Neither wants to give the other credit for anything good it's done.

They do, but they do it from different perspectives. What one feels protects america the other feels damages the very essence of america. Abortion is a perfect example.

I think, at least from a liberal perspective, the republican party has done good. But, that good was largely when it had liberal elements. And a lot of times people argue that, where they improved one area, the damage done to another area to allow for that good was not worth it. Reagan's economic boom vs. the deficit and the nations poor is an example of that. Obviously there are some more minor things people agree with, but the larger issues there is often little.

But, on the rights issue, you have to make up your mind whether you think that its good for people to have those rights. But, simply going by numbers, I think there are clearly more areas where liberals (and modern democrats) are supporting rights for americans. Those rights being beneficial is another question entirely.

DHard3006
06-07-2006, 07:25 AM
And no president has banned guns or called for that.
Pres. Clinton signed a gun ban, better known as the AWB. The gun ban has since expired because the leftist aka progressives learned from their mistake. 20 or more of the leftist aka progressives that signed the AWB were later removed from office in their next elections.
When the AWB expired pres. Bush said he would sign it if it was brought before him. No leftist aka progressive brought it up.
So be it, they were still fighting for the rights of americans, while your conservatives fought against granting americans rights, or fought for removing rights from americans. You can't honestly suggest that it's only a right when the majority of americans support it.**
Gee the leftist aka progressives claim that about the perversion of homosexuality. Yet the last elections when the leftist aka progressives pushed the perversion of homosexual marriage they lost the elections by a majority vote.
Was he liberal/leftist/progressive? No. Was the democratic party the main liberal party then? No.**
The dems were the leftist aka progressives of that time. In fact most people referred to them as commies.

bobbylien
06-07-2006, 08:01 AM
Gee the leftist aka progressives claim that about the perversion of homosexuality. Yet the last elections when the leftist aka progressives pushed the perversion of homosexual marriage they lost the elections by a majority vote.

I don't believe bush or kerry said a damn thing about it during the election.

DHard3006
06-07-2006, 09:56 AM
I don't believe bush or kerry said a damn thing about it during the election.
Funny leftist aka progressives talk show people chant they lost because of the three g’s, god, guns and homosexuals(gays).