The Future of the GOP

[rastaman]

Conservatives speak of times being tough right now----Well, times really get tough when you have an Administration that can't tell the truth--but are experts with bombarding the American voter with endless propaganda. Yes, when the masses get hip to Bush's lies and propaganda; Things Will Get Tough.

Many people do not support Curious George. Bush only has an approval of 34% overall, while 66% feel he is a very poor leader and cannot be trusted anymore. Bush and his conservative robotic minions don't care about polls unless it favors them. Besides Dictators don't care about POLLS!!!!! After all a famous dictator once said "It matters little how many people vote; what matters is who counts the vote". Hint: Florida in 2000 and Ohio in 2004.

As for the current news media---our news it is none existent. Right now all we have are media shills, media whores and news models. Millions of Americans are hungry for the news, this is why millions seek out information on the INTERNET. Presently, five major corporations own the major news outlet, as a result, corporations decide the type of news millions on Americans get to view.

In terms of Leadership, Clinton would run circles around Bush. Millions of Americans wish Clinton was in Office at this stage. Bush rules by fear and propaganda. Bush has had many Freudian Slips over the last 5 years when his speeches aren't scripted and his handlers allow him to speak off the cuff so to speak.

Conservatives and Republican's can cry me a river when they attempt to look for charity for help with calling off the Bush Haters. After all it comes with being President--there were millions of Clinton Haters on behalf of Conservative Republicans during 8 years of the Clinton Presidency. Oh well Bush has 3 more years of hate, ridicule and mistrust to endure. Bush doesn't care one way or the other, just as long as he's in power and can continue to help out his millionaire and billionaire buddies.

Historians are already predicting that the Bush Crime Family will go down as the most corrupt Presidency in our history. Good luck Republicans and Conservatives 06 and 08 will not be kind to your Party!

But wait, I forgot Bush and the GOP still has DIEBOLD to save the day. After-all a famous dictator once said "It matters little how many people vote; what matters is who counts the vote".

GOOD LUCK AMERICA, WE ARE ALL GOING TO NEED IT.

[bobbylien]

I'm sorry, this forum requires at least an IQ 75. Please try again in the democratic forum.

[rastaman]

Conservatives speak of times being tough right now----Well, times really get tough when you have an Administration that can't tell the truth--but are experts with bombarding the American voter with endless propaganda. Yes, when the masses get hip to Bush's lies and propaganda; Things Will Get Tough.

Many people do not support Curious George. Bush only has an approval of 34% overall, while 66% feel he is a very poor leader and cannot be trusted anymore. Bush and his conservative robotic minions don't care about polls unless it favors them. Besides Dictators don't care about POLLS!!!!! After all a famous dictator once said "It matters little how many people vote; what matters is who counts the vote". Hint: Florida in 2000 and Ohio in 2004.

As for the current news media---our news it is none existent. Right now all we have are media shills, media whores and news models. Millions of Americans are hungry for the news, this is why millions seek out information on the INTERNET. Presently, five major corporations own the major news outlet, as a result, corporations decide the type of news millions on Americans get to view.

In terms of Leadership, Clinton would run circles around Bush. Millions of Americans wish Clinton was in Office at this stage. Bush rules by fear and propaganda. Bush has had many Freudian Slips over the last 5 years when his speeches aren't scripted and his handlers allow him to speak off the cuff so to speak.

Conservatives and Republican's can cry me a river when they attempt to look for charity for help with calling off the Bush Haters. After all it comes with being President--there were millions of Clinton Haters on behalf of Conservative Republicans during 8 years of the Clinton Presidency. Oh well Bush has 3 more years of hate, ridicule and mistrust to endure. Bush doesn't care one way or the other, just as long as he's in power and can continue to help out his millionaire and billionaire buddies.

Historians are already predicting that the Bush Crime Family will go down as the most corrupt Presidency in our history. Good luck Republicans and Conservatives 06 and 08 will not be kind to your Party!

But wait, I forgot Bush and the GOP still has DIEBOLD to save the day. After-all a famous dictator once said "It matters little how many people vote; what matters is who counts the vote".

GOOD LUCK AMERICA, WE ARE ALL GOING TO NEED IT.

[Labrocca]

And exactly how personally is your life negatively effected? How about the personal life of your friends and family? How about ANYONE you know? What again is your point? You hate Bush..fine...you call him names...fine. What's your point? Do you really think this is how the democrats and liberals are going to win in 08? What you just stated could have been said in 2003...but guess what...Bush won again and without the legal problems of Florida.

Is it possible you are simply a sore loser?

[CheesyMuslim]

Sorry bout that,

1. But the Future of the GOP is bright compared to who the Democrats are offering in leadership positions.
2. I don't even need to name them, they are a total disgrace, full of dishonor, to themselves and this Country.
3. You can not name one Democrat that has any Honor left.
4. The last I heard left his post, Zel Miller.
5. He freakin abandoned the Democratic Party, and rightly so.
6. If he didn't he would of been in the same boat as those disgraced Dems are right now.
7. There's no hope left for the Democrats, its already off its death bed, but sits in the morgue ready to be buried.

Regards,
SirJamesofTexas

[rastaman]

Guess which is "the most corrupt administration in U. S. history." Informed Americans, as opposed to those who get their news and political education from the "fair and balanced" sources like Fox News, know that the contenders are all Republican administrations.

While posing as paragons of virtue and truth, Conservative Republicans claim that Bill Clinton's administration was "the most corrupt administration in American history", despite the fact that history contradicts everything about that statement. It may be hard to order them exactly, but here are the contenders for the first, second, third & fourth "most corrupt administrations in American history" :

Here's a web page devoted to the corruption of the two Ulysses S. Grant administrations : http://www.u-s-history.com/pages/h234.html :
"The frequency of these events led to the use of the term "Grantism", a word synonymous with greed and corruption. Many people at the time speculated that money from these ventures was being funneled into Republican Party coffers. These unsavory dealings led to the establishment of a more moral "Liberal Republican Party."
Here's the way one site about Warren Harding summarized that administration:
"The Harding administration is infamous not only for the Tea Pot Dome Scandal but for the general corruption of his administration. He was most unprepared to be President even though he had served in the state senate, as Lieutenant Governor, Governor, and Senator from Ohio. He did not have the physical stamina or the strong character required for leadership in the White House. Like U.S. Grant's administration, blind party politics and bad appointments led to vast corruption."

See http://www.shakerwssg.org/warren_g_hardingmarion_ohio.htm.
Unlike the efforts of the Republican Party and the so-called "Liberal" media to make mountains out of molehills, $ 60,000,000 or tax-payer money, any number of FBI agents and reporters, and 3 years of relentless investigations by both the media and the government ultimately showed that there was nothing in the Clinton administration that could compare with the true scandals of the Nixon administration, in which Spiro Agnew became the first and only U.S. vice president to resign in disgrace (on October 10, 1973), and Richard M. Nixon only avoided impeachment the following year by becoming the first and only U.S. president to resign in disgrace.

Then, after a brief reprieve, with one of the most pious and moral Christian presidents ever, Jimmy Carter, the Republican Party gave us the Ronald Reagan / George Bush team.

By the end of Reagan's two terms, 138 officials in his administration had either been convicted, indicted, or had been the subject of official investigations for official misconduct and/or criminal violations. "In terms of number of officials involved, the record of his administration was the worst ever."

The corruption of Ronald Reagan's administration was so massive, and so under-reported, that it requires a separate web page all unto itself:
The Massive Corruption of the Reagan Administration.

The whole party claim
to be HIS followers !
The Republicans / Conservatives talked about the need to elect George W. Bush in order to restore honor, dignity, ethics and morality to the White House. Hmmm, let's take a look at the so-called honor, dignity, ethics and morality of George W., his brothers, his father and those who served in the Reagan administration :

George Walker Bush
Reaped $14 million from selling his $600,000 stake in a deal that involved the building of a new stadium for the Texas Rangers. George profited handsomely while taxpayers were stiffed for the money to subsidize Bush and his investment partners.

[CheesyMuslim]

Sorry bout that,

1. No its not how much mud gets flung on a persons honor that makes the man dishonored, its how much mud the man can take without throwing mud back decides who has the honor and dignity, as a person.
2. Carter got a pass, Clinton Got a Pass, all the Republicans on your short list didn't.
3. They were the ones who stood for something, while the Failure Democrats were given a PASS.
4. Clinton Killed off The Democratic Party, you just don't know it yet even while we bury you.
5. Good luck with that.

Regards,
SirJamesofTexas

[rastaman]

Is it possible you are a ignorant mis-informed by choice conservative? After all there are millions of robotic small minded flunkies who worship KING GEORGE.

You guys (Conservatives) mis-behaved for the 8 years Clinton was in office also. Conservative Republicans Bashed and hated Clinton for 8 long years----so guess what!!! It is Bush's turned to get Bashed, so get over it and get used to it. After all it comes with the territory.

[Labrocca]

Talk to Dick Morris about the Clintons...better yet read his books. The scandals from the Clintons past are too numerous to mention.

http://prorev.com/legacy.htm

http://emporium.turnpike.net/P/ProRev/wwstats.htm

I love this stat:


Number of individuals and businesses associated with the Clinton machine who have been convicted of or pleaded guilty to crimes: 47


The Clintons are so dirty they make the mob look like a political party.

[Labrocca]

Oh it doesn't really bother me you bash Bush. Yeah I might be ignorant and uninformed too. It must really suck for you smart intellectual types to know that the dumb ignorant people have control. ooohh...how scary!

Thanks for answering my question about anyone you know that has had their freedoms reduced. It's obvious the answer is NO ONE has been affected. You just want to stand up and be heard but really you have nothing to say.

[Alonzo]

I say we lock rastaman and chesswarsnow in a room and don't let them out until one of them kills the other.

[rastaman]

If Clinton killed the Democratic Party, What the hell do you think Bush is doing to the Republican Party? Especially with a paltry job and integrity rating in the middle 35% range.

The Bush Administration makes the Mafia look like Girl Scouts. Bush promised to bring honor and integrity back to the W.H. and has done just the opposite.

We don't hear about all of the Bush administrations indiscretions and law breaking adventures b/c only the Republican dominated house and senate can open a debate on the senate floor or order an investigation.

Instead, the party (GOP) and administration (Bush) who ran on the platform of restoring dignity, integrity and accontability have all but lied to their constituency and the american people.

[rastaman]

If history is any teacher, it instructs us in the incremental process that elitists use to implement their totalitarian agenda. The first step is to use an incessant, highly orchestrated propaganda. For all practical purposes, the major media in the United States is providing that propaganda. At the national level, there is hardly any investigative journalism going on. Instead, the national press corps has become little more than lazy lackeys for the White House.

The second step is to lay the foundation for totalitarianism by passing legislation that may later be used against the citizenry. And that is exactly what the Bush administration has very successfully accomplished. It very adroitly succeeded where the Clinton administration failed.

The third step is to demonize and marginalize anyone and everyone who opposes the government's plans and ambitions. Such opponents are characterized as "unpatriotic," "obstructionist," "uncompassionate," or even "ungodly." Once again, the Bush minions have very skillfully done just that. Anyone who dares to oppose or even question Bush must be regarded as enemies of America or even as enemies of God

SOURCE:

http://baltimorechronicle.com/020105ChuckBaldwin.shtml

[CheesyMuslim]

If Clinton killed the Democratic Party, What the hell do you think Bush is doing to the Republican Party?Â*Â*Especially with a paltry job and integrity rating in the middle 35% range.
1. Oh you live in a poll reality I see.



The Bush Administration makes the Mafia look like Girl Scouts.Â*

2.This kind of comment is why the Democratic Party has Died.Â*


Bush promised to bring honor and integrity back to the W.H. and has done just the opposite.Â*Â*

3. I think he very well did, I haven't heard of any fat chicks getting lucky with The President of the United States.



We don't hear about all of the Bush administrations indiscretions and law breaking adventures b/c only the Republican dominated house and senate can open a debate on the senate floor or order an investigation.Â*


4. Scandal after scandal comes from the media towards our good Republicans in office.Â*

Instead, the party (GOP) and administration (Bush) who ran on the platform of restoring dignity, integrity and accountability have all but lied to their constituency and the American people.


5. No lies, just the facts, you can't handle the facts.

Regards,
SirJamesofTexas

[bobbylien]

Isn't this forum supposed to be for republicans and not liberals? I don't think the idea of having a republican only forum meant that it would be for US and not for liberals. Let republicans talk together.. i see no problem with the more liberal people posting replies but making topics bashing republicans, come on.

[Alonzo]

Isn't this forum supposed to be for republicans and not liberals? I don't think the idea of having a republican only forum meant that it would be for US and not for liberals. Let republicans talk together.. i see no problem with the more liberal people posting replies but making topics bashing republicans, come on.


You're right. I think questions directed to republicans about the republican party, and comments by republicans (good or bad) about their party are fine, but attack posts by non republicans shouldn't be in the republican category. The same goes for attack posts by non democrats in the democrat category.

[rastaman]

ChessWarNow (Quoted)

5. No lies, just the facts, you can't handle the facts.

Your Republican dominated House and Senate refuse to investigate GW Bush; so whats your point.

[Labrocca]

Investigate GWB for what exactly?

Also since this is an attack on the GOP I think it's appropriate it's in the Democratic section.

:P

[CheesyMuslim]

Sorry bout that,

1. Yeah what lies? You limp wristed Liberals those like Kerry are sickening, and traitors of our Military, another reason the Dems gotta Die off.
2. After more than 60 years in power the Democrats have figured out a safety net if they ever loose the majority, they are, RINO's. Republicans In Name Only.
3. They are the Real Culture of Corruption.
4. Look at what the Democrats stand for, and also look how they avoid the issues of what they stand for. Its sickening.

Regards,
SirJamesofTexas

[rastaman]

Sorry bout that,

1. Yeah what lies? You limp wristed Liberals those like Kerry are sickening, and traitors of our Military, another reason the Dems gotta Die off.
2. After more than 60 years in power the Democrats have figured out a safety net if they ever loose the majority, they are, RINO's. Republicans In Name Only.
3. They are the Real Culture of Corruption.
4. Look at what the Democrats stand for, and also look how they avoid the issues of what they stand for. Its sickening.

Regards,
SirJamesofTexas


Chesswar, you gotta stop doing the lines of Coke--your post are really starting to go down hill.

The Chickenhawk Warmongering Republicans are triators to our militaryand the American people. The chickehawks in the Bush Admin. managed to avoid the Vietnam War yet seem to have no problems sending our service members into the Chaotic Debacle/Bush Folly, known as IRAQ.

Cheney got 5 deferments to avoid NAM, Bush hid out in a Cherry Air National Guard unit never slated to deploy to NAM. RUMMY avoided serving in the Korean conflict.
What FREAKIN Cowards these sissies truely are.

What do neo-con Repub./GOP stand for? Corporate Coruption and War Profiteering, Wedge Issues, and Pandering for votes.

Would you like to comment on Bush's job approval and integrity ratings?

Go ahead and rationalize and make excuses why Curious George is a not miserable failure!!!! Tell everyone why Bush sucks at Foreign Policy, on the economy, on the debt and the deficet. While you are at it, tell me at least 10 great things Bush has done for all Americans in the last 5 years!!!

Man you are a real piece of work.

[CheesyMuslim]

Sorry bout that,

1. Another Liberal bites the ban.
2. Seems he got carried away with personal attacks, that's a no no here, you can attack all the Republicans but you must not make it personal.
3. I try my best to keep my attacks on the Democratic Party in general, unless I'm attacking a particular politician who isn't here. I guess it Clinton himself was here I would have to change my attack methods.
3.1. And all those other Democrats I tend to attack.

Regards,
SirJamesofTexas

[code_e]

rastaman - I've read a total of 2 articles from this forum and unfortunately they were your posts.

The only thing I have to say is that pretty much everything you say can be said for Democrats as well. What bores me is when one spews this crud about how corrupt one side is when in reality both sides always have trouble. This is a weak argument and it really shows your lack of debating skills. Read a bit more, dig a little deeper and demonstrate your point by making contrasts to show how your party is better, which is clearly isn't in my opinion, but give it a shot...

-cheers-

[BoogyMan]

Is it possible you are a ignorant mis-informed by choice conservative?Â*Â*After all there are millions of robotic small minded flunkies who worship KING GEORGE.

You guys (Conservatives) mis-behaved for the 8 years Clinton was in office also.Â*Â*Conservative Republicans Bashed and hated Clinton for 8 long years----so guess what!!!Â*Â* It is Bush's turned to get Bashed, so get over it and get used to it.Â*Â*After all it comes with the territory.


We have a winner!Â*Â*This guy isÂ*Â*nothing more than a professional heckler looking to take shots at the current administration over heartburn left over from the Clinton administration.

[rastaman]

Is it possible you are a ignorant mis-informed by choice conservative?Â*Â*After all there are millions of robotic small minded flunkies who worship KING GEORGE.

You guys (Conservatives) mis-behaved for the 8 years Clinton was in office also.Â*Â*Conservative Republicans Bashed and hated Clinton for 8 long years----so guess what!!!Â*Â* It is Bush's turned to get Bashed, so get over it and get used to it.Â*Â*After all it comes with the territory.


We have a winner!Â*Â*This guy isÂ*Â*nothing more than a professional heckler looking to take shots at the current administration over heartburn left over from the Clinton administration.



GEE Boogeymam, now you want everyone to make nice.Â*Â*Then when a Democrat gets elected to office and the conservatives don't like him/her then repub. wants the green light to start all the bashing and bullying all over again.Â*Â*Funny how selective your word usage appears such as "heartburn".

Look Boogey, Both Clinton and Bush are "Big Boys" with broad shoulders and an infrastructure surrounding them to help deflect the Bashing.Â*Â*Speaking of deflection; Bush has a Repub. majority in the Senate and House to further help Bush deal with the Bashing as well as 30% support of the voting public/Bush Loyalist; so Bush will survive the Bashing just fine.

[rastaman]

rastaman - I've read a total of 2 articles from this forum and unfortunately they were your posts.

The only thing I have to say is that pretty much everything you say can be said for Democrats as well. What bores me is when one spews this crud about how corrupt one side is when in reality both sides always have trouble. This is a weak argument and it really shows your lack of debating skills. Read a bit more, dig a little deeper and demonstrate your point by making contrasts to show how your party is better, which is clearly isn't in my opinion, but give it a shot...

-cheers-


CODE thanks for the help.Â*Â*I must tell you in all fairness this forum has an extreme right wing slant.Â*Â*I have to go up against conservatives like "Pittsburgh After Dark", "CheeseWar", and "Labrocca" and these guys can come off fairly sensitive, angry, and conservative when poster respond collectively to their opinions and theres an on going disagreement.Â*Â*When it comes to the issues frustrations, character assassination and attack the messenger seems to be the status quo

I'll do my due diligence and increase my google search on the issues and topics.Â*Â*But I must worn you, I will not back down when attacked by conservative bullies.Â*Â* When dealing with bully tactics I believe in confronting a bully.Â*Â*You either stand your ground or Bullies will make your life miserable and try to dominate and intimedate forum members--Plain and Simple.

[Newscaster]

Rastaman, I would suggest you end this thread because you are not going to change any republican minds no many how man facts you present.

I would suggest these people sit and wait for November of this year when Americans go to the polls to vote. Based on the polls, we can be pretty sure of how the races will turn out but based on past performance, if they dont turn out that way, we can be equally sure the Republicans have stolen the election as they did in 2000 and 2004.

Whether these people can accept the fact or not does not change that fact that even Republicans with an ounce of brains between their ears are jumping ship. Even they can see the writing on the wall.

Will this mean the demise of the Republican party? I hope not because once upon a time, that party was an upstanding honest group of men. But it has become a cabal led by a group of Monarchists and a wannabee dictator. Thats the aspect of the Republican Party that be put out of its misery and will be.

Rastaman, thanks for trying.

[CheesyMuslim]

Sorry bout that,

1. But the GOP is doing great.
2. Sure we been attacked every day by the Liberals, oh well.
3. Its apart of the job description.
4. The problem for the Democrats they ain't got a worthy opponent, to run for President the next election year of 2008.

Regards,
SirJamesofTexas

[Newscaster]

Chesswarsnow, thru all your drivvel, you finally said something I totally agree with. Democrats do NOT have a worthy opponent. The GOP is not longer a worthy opponent because they have sold their souls to the devil.

There has yet to be a comment from any of them that shows compassion for anyone other than themselves and they simply parrot what they are told by way of Karl Rove's talking points memo each day.

Chess, I know what you were trying to say with your point 4 but even you couldnt make it clear. I have seen kids in pre-school who have a better command of the English language. But you stay the course baby. You keep trying.

[CheesyMuslim]

Sorry bout that,

1. But my *personal attack* alarm went off.
2. Seems we gotta live one boys.
3. Personal attacks don't go over well here newbie.
4. Just that you are aware bud, so keep it civil dude.

Regards,
SirJamesofTexas

[BoogyMan]

Rastaman, I would suggest you end this thread because you are not going to change any republican minds no many how man facts you present.

I would suggest these people sit and wait for November of this year when Americans go to the polls to vote. Based on the polls, we can be pretty sure of how the races will turn out but based on past performance, if they dont turn out that way, we can be equally sure the Republicans have stolen the election as they did in 2000 and 2004.

Whether these people can accept the fact or not does not change that fact that even Republicans with an ounce of brains between their ears are jumping ship. Even they can see the writing on the wall.

Will this mean the demise of the Republican party? I hope not because once upon a time, that party was an upstanding honest group of men. But it has become a cabal led by a group of Monarchists and a wannabee dictator. Thats the aspect of the Republican Party that be put out of its misery and will be.

Rastaman, thanks for trying.


Facts?Â*Â*What facts has he presented?Â*Â*I have heard venom and childish hatred but no facts.Â*Â*Now, Newscaster, I know that you guys don't distinguish hatred from fact, but the thinking world actually does.Â*Â*Stolen election in 2000 and 2004, facts?Â*Â*What color is the sky in your world?

[AnAmericanXX]

Well since Im new I hope the liberals will rank me in with my fellow conservatives as being wholeheartedly passionate about the issues. I am not one to attack people over issues, nor use foul language, but that doesn't mean I won't point out problems with arguments.

Rastaman, After reading some of your posts, and finding at least two that are directly copied from other websites, I might encourage you to desist from bashing republicans as mindless followers, unless you seek to stop presenting other people's work as your own.

One interesting point you have made is that the right stole the elections. I guess that is based off your hope and assertion that America is a democracy. Like other leftists, you hope that the rule of the majority will win out, just like places such as Venezuela or Spain for instance. Sadly though America was founded as a Republic and not a democracy. We use a different electoral system. While GWB certainly won the popular vote in 2004, he did not win the popular vote in 2000. This has incensed the democrats since that time, and erringly convinced them that the election was stolen. No amount of kicking, screaming or crying will change the results. There has been zero evidence of election fraud on the part of republicans from either election. However, there have been several instances where Democrats were caught 'cheating' for lack of a better word.

I love fanatical leftists because they are so passionate. Its just said they are passionate in all the wrong ways.