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Stoner
04-26-2007, 09:22 AM
Seems everything is getting clearer on this whole global warming scandal Al Gore and the rest of the left are trying to get everyone to believe.

Seems the real reason for this nonsense is to make money.

Industry caught in carbon ‘smokescreen’

Companies and individuals rushing to go green have been spending millions on “carbon credit” projects that yield few if any environmental benefits.

A Financial Times investigation has uncovered widespread failings in the new markets for greenhouse gases, suggesting some organisations are paying for emissions reductions that do not take place.

Others are meanwhile making big profits from carbon trading for very small expenditure and in some cases for clean-ups that they would have made anyway.

The growing political salience of environmental politics has sparked a “green gold rush”, which has seen a dramatic expansion in the number of businesses offering both companies and individuals the chance to go “carbon neutral”, offsetting their own energy use by buying carbon credits that cancel out their contribution to global warming.

The burgeoning regulated market for carbon credits is expected to more than double in size to about $68.2bn by 2010, with the unregulated voluntary sector rising to $4bn in the same period.

The FT investigation found:

■ Widespread instances of people and organisations buying worthless credits that do not yield any reductions in carbon emissions.

■ Industrial companies profiting from doing very little – or from gaining carbon credits on the basis of efficiency gains from which they have already benefited substantially.

■ Brokers providing services of questionable or no value.

■ A shortage of verification, making it difficult for buyers to assess the true value of carbon credits.

■ Companies and individuals being charged over the odds for the private purchase of European Union carbon permits that have plummeted in value because they do not result in emissions cuts.

Francis Sullivan, environment adviser at HSBC, the UK’s biggest bank that went carbon-neutral in 2005, said he found “serious credibility concerns” in the offsetting market after evaluating it for several months.

“The police, the fraud squad and trading standards need to be looking into this. Otherwise people will lose faith in it,” he said.

These concerns led the bank to ignore the market and fund its own carbon reduction projects directly.

Some companies are benefiting by asking “green” consumers to pay them for cleaning up their own pollution. For instance, DuPont, the chemicals company, invites consumers to pay $4 to eliminate a tonne of carbon dioxide from its plant in Kentucky that produces a potent greenhouse gas called HFC-23. But the equipment required to reduce such gases is relatively cheap. DuPont refused to comment and declined to specify its earnings from the project, saying it was at too early a stage to discuss.

The FT has also found examples of companies setting up as carbon offsetters without appearing to have a clear idea of how the markets operate. In response to FT inquiries about its sourcing of carbon credits, one company, carbonvoucher.com, said it had not taken payments for offsets.

Blue Source, a US offsetting company, invites consumers to offset carbon emissions by investing in enhanced oil recovery, which pumps carbon dioxide into depleted oil wells to bring up the remaining oil. However, Blue Source said that because of the high price of oil, this process was often profitable in itself, meaning operators were making extra revenues from selling “carbon credits” for burying the carbon.

There is nothing illegal in these practices. However, some companies that are offsetting their emissions have avoided such projects because customers may find them controversial.

BP said it would not buy credits resulting from improvements in industrial efficiency or from most renewable energy projects in developed countries.



http://www.ft.com/cms/s/48e334ce-f355-11db-9845-000b5df10621.html

bobbylien
04-26-2007, 02:22 PM
It seems you have the conspiracy theory, not the left.

Truth_and_Power
05-18-2007, 01:25 PM
This is not the global warming conspiracy this is the B.S. that is behind the RIGHT's plan to have a carbon credit market. IMO it's an experimental capitalistic idea which is quite possibly dumb and is certainly ripe for fraud. I expect the Iraq benchmarks will be just as Rock Solid as this carbon trading program. These are the kind of "standards" that our corporate representatives want to hold industry to.

mark777
06-05-2007, 12:25 PM
Yes...it is a conspiracy by petroleum companies to get rid of competition...get these greenies and hippies behind environmental groups to lobby the government to maintain their monopoly by not allowing the building of new refineries and constrict supply...also the uneconomical production of bio fuels...which guess what? Cost 2-4 times more, even use fossil fuels in their production and still produce CO2

Truth_and_Power
06-05-2007, 01:18 PM
Yes...it is a conspiracy by petroleum companies to get rid of competition...get these greenies and hippies behind environmental groups to lobby the government to maintain their monopoly by not allowing the building of new refineries and constrict supply...also the uneconomical production of bio fuels...which guess what? Cost 2-4 times more, even use fossil fuels in their production and still produce CO2


Yeah all the biofuel and hydrogen talk is really a bunch of halloey. In the end it will all come down to generating power cleanly, and neither of those technologies accomplishes this. Too bad there's not a giant fusion reactor beaming power our way 24/7.

Mayberry
06-10-2007, 07:54 PM
Too bad there's not a giant fusion reactor beaming power our way 24/7. :cool: We just need to figger out a better way to use it!

preservanation
06-10-2007, 10:44 PM
What about harnessing planetary gravitational pull?
Oh, wait...that'll screw everything up.

Buck Laser
06-10-2007, 10:50 PM
What about harnessing planetary gravitational pull?
Oh, wait...that'll screw everything up.


Don't you know that gravity is just a theory? I know for a fact that there's no such thing as gravity. The earth just sucks.

preservanation
06-10-2007, 10:59 PM
What about harnessing planetary gravitational pull?
Oh, wait...that'll screw everything up.


Don't you know that gravity is just a theory? I know for a fact that there's no such thing as gravity. The earth just sucks.

Reverse osmosis?

anathema
06-11-2007, 02:34 AM
{quote]yeah all the biofuel and hydrogen talk is really a bunch of halloey.[/quote]
Right now you can buy E85 and bio diesel for cheaper than the regular stuff. E85 is about 20-30 cents cheaper per gallon in the chicago area on average.

Hydrogen only costs more because of how its produced. That and its has been researched as a viable fuel for only a short time. Needless to say I still dont like hydrogen fuel for the following reason:
Basic science, to produce hydrogen here on the planet I live on takes electrical current to separate hydrogen from oxygen in water. Currently the only way feasible is to use fossil fuels to produce said electrical current. So the cost is higher because of the base line price of electricity, then add on the price of the product itself.

anathema
06-11-2007, 02:35 AM
yeah all the biofuel and hydrogen talk is really a bunch of halloey.
Right now you can buy E85 and bio diesel for cheaper than the regular stuff. E85 is about 20-30 cents cheaper per gallon in the chicago area on average.

Hydrogen only costs more because of how its produced. That and its has been researched as a viable fuel for only a short time. Needless to say I still dont like hydrogen fuel for the following reason:
Basic science, to produce hydrogen here on the planet I live on takes electrical current to separate hydrogen from oxygen in water. Currently the only way feasible is to use fossil fuels to produce said electrical current. So the cost is higher because of the base line price of electricity, then add on the price of the product itself.

Mayberry
06-11-2007, 05:25 PM
Right now you can buy E85 and bio diesel for cheaper than the regular stuff. E85 is about 20-30 cents cheaper per gallon in the chicago area on average.
Great. Send some down here, we can't get any.

bobbylien
06-11-2007, 05:38 PM
Right now you can buy E85 and bio diesel for cheaper than the regular stuff. E85 is about 20-30 cents cheaper per gallon in the chicago area on average.

Biofuels are only cheaper because of the massive subsidies the government is handing out. Maybe sometime in the future we will develop technology that will change that.

anathema
06-12-2007, 03:00 AM
Biofuels are only cheaper because of the massive subsidies the government is handing out. Maybe sometime in the future we will develop technology that will change that.
Oh!. So biofuels are getting billions of dollars a year and the "poor" oil companies have to do it all on their own? Doubtful. Other countries have had success in producing biofuels. India has had success at making biofuels outta elephant poo, too a small extent. (I'd hate to have that job!) And I believe Brazil exclusively uses ethenol made from sugar cane.

This Goverment puts just as much if not more into oil subsidies as they do into renewables. Plus the fact that the current subsidies for renewables has to fight to stay alive until they are more finacially sustainable.

I do have a plan for cheap energy though.....grab all the KKK members and put em on a treadmill. Voila! White power! :D (sorry bad joke, but I couldn't resist)

Mayberry
06-12-2007, 03:11 AM
It's too bad we can't fuel things with hot air. We could just hook a pipe up to congress and run the country indefinitely. :rolleyes:

Buck Laser
06-12-2007, 04:23 AM
It's too bad we can't fuel things with hot air. We could just hook a pipe up to congress and run the country indefinitely. :rolleyes:

Not to mention that you, yourself produce more than a modicum of hot air.:P

Mayberry
06-12-2007, 04:31 AM
Not to mention that you, yourself produce more than a modicum of hot air. From you, Buck, I'll take that as a compliment. :D