PDA

View Full Version : John Kerry: "Let's Surrender This Year"


PittsburghAfterDark
06-02-2006, 10:26 AM
Thank God this man lost.

Kerry Attacks Bush Over Iraq Policies

The administration's choice of confrontation instead of diplomacy has harmed the U.S., the senator says in a speech in Los Angeles.

By Ashraf Khalil, Times Staff Writer

June 2, 2006

Sen. John Kerry (D-Mass.) harshly criticized the Bush administration for "disdaining diplomacy" in favor of a confrontational and unilateral foreign policy that has hurt the United States' standing around the world and made it less safe.

In a speech Thursday in Los Angeles, the former (and perhaps future) Democratic Party presidential candidate warned that the mistakes of Iraq must not be repeated in the current standoff with Iran.

"War is the ultimate failure of diplomacy," Kerry told a gathering of the Pacific Council on International Policy. "Yet our current leadership has arrogantly discarded this basic principle?. All too often they disdained diplomacy as little more than an inconvenient detour on the chosen path to armed conflict."

The result, he said, was an ill-advised rush to war in Iraq that alienated other governments and diminished sympathy for the U.S. generated by the terrorist attacks of Sept. 11, 2001. America's current isolation, and the presence of thousands of U.S. troops in Iraq, is "playing right into Iranian hands?. The Iranians are delighted," Kerry said.

Emphasizing that a nuclear-armed Iran would be "a very serious threat to the U.S. and our allies," Kerry contended that the most conservative estimates are that Tehran is at least five years away from developing atomic weapons.

"There is time for diplomacy to work here," he said, but added that negotiating with Iran is "an uncertain proposition at best."

Kerry spoke before news broke of the agreement between six major powers, including the U.S., to offer an incentive package for Iran to abandon its nuclear ambitions. He hailed Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice's recent offer of direct negotiations with Iran, but said any talks "must be more than an effort to check the box on diplomacy as they move toward a confrontation."

The 21-year veteran of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee also had harsh words for the Iraqi government. The sight of politicians haggling over Cabinet seats in the midst of an undiminished insurgency is "a disgrace, and this administration ought to get tough," he said.

He proposed intense U.S. pressure to force consensus, either by withholding reconstruction funds or threatening a unilateral withdrawal of troops.

Kerry, who voted to give President Bush authorization to use force against Saddam Hussein in 2002, said he would attach an amendment to this summer's defense appropriations bill calling for a total withdrawal of U.S. combat troops by the end of this year. But he acknowledged that the idea would be unpopular. "I know I'm not going to get the majority of my own caucus."

On domestic issues, Kerry predicted that rising public dissatisfaction with the Bush administration could translate into huge gains for Democratic candidates in November's midterm congressional elections.

"There is something bubbling up in America that I believe is going to be reflected in the polls," he said.

As for his own political ambitions, Kerry would say only that he is "thinking very hard" about another presidential run in 2008.

"And I'm thinking about it a lot earlier than I'd like to because it's clear there are several other people also thinking about it," he said.
Link (http://www.latimes.com/news/printedition/asection/la-me-kerry2jun02,1,2233200.story?coll=la-news-a_section&ctrack=1&cset=true)

What a fucking 'tard.

CheesyMuslim
06-02-2006, 10:23 PM
Sorry bout that,

1. Yes everyone who has half a brain knows JF Kerry is in every way morally unfit to lead a worm race.
2. And even thou everyone on Earth is aware of this, he will no doubt run again in 2008.
3. He has a great desire to be President of the United States of America.
4. Just like JFK was.
5. JF Kerry is a??product of the Clinton era, which he too had a JFK addiction.
6. Clinton is why the Democrats have sunk so low morally,
7. A sewer of Political Powers will bring forth more of the same.
8. The Democratic Party is like zombies, the living dead.
9. Unless this Party is re-formed it will never be worthy of American Politics.

Regards,
SirJamesofTexas

Hendrik
06-03-2006, 08:40 PM
From a European perspective I can say, that the USA should be really happy that they have a man like JF Kerry. I hope Mr. Kerry will play a bigger role in US politics soon.

Hendrik

PittsburghAfterDark
06-03-2006, 10:37 PM
Just because Spain, Germany and France have surrendered doesn't mean we will.

Eurotrash is not something we aspire to be and JF Kerry will never come closer to the White House than he did 2 years ago.

RLN
06-04-2006, 06:52 AM
Just because Spain, Germany and France have surrendered doesn't mean we will.

Eurotrash is not something we aspire to be and JF Kerry will never come closer to the White House than he did 2 years ago.
Well in my opinion I believe that John Kerry should have fought the Swift Boat people more than he did; he did have a case against them. Also, in my state of Ohio, there were highly questionable voting procedures that has just came out in the news concerning Ohio and 2004.

It really is a shame that Dubuya doesn't work more with the International Community; this is just one reason that we are still over in Iraq, when our troops should be coming home. Lets face it. The war is over and the American people are getting bored with this stalemate on reconstruction.

Hendrik
06-05-2006, 07:55 AM
Just because Spain, Germany and France have surrendered doesn't mean we will.

Eurotrash is not something we aspire to be and JF Kerry will never come closer to the White House than he did 2 years ago.


Germany surrendered? Surrendered where?

What's Eurotrash?

There was never a real threat from Iraq to any western country. Iraq never had any nuclear weapons. This was so clear from the first day of the war. This is the reason why Germany said no to this war.

In Afghanistan all the people were against their Government (Taliban), so that war was a success.
In Iraq the majority was happy with the government. And the Iraqi governemnt made the Shiites and Sunnites live happily together. Removing the old government started a fight for power between these groups. Anyone could have foreseen this (except some US politicians).

Just leaving the country is wrong.
It's like burning your neighbours house and then running away because he is angry to you.
The USA messed this up, now they should reconstruct it.

It's really interesting, that the US government never learns anything from the wars they make (i should make a new thread on this someday)

Hendrik

Nathan Brazil
06-06-2006, 09:55 AM
Just because Spain, Germany and France have surrendered doesn't mean we will.

Eurotrash is not something we aspire to be and JF Kerry will never come closer to the White House than he did 2 years ago.


Germany surrendered? Surrendered where?

What's Eurotrash?

There was never a real threat from Iraq to any western country. Iraq never had any nuclear weapons. This was so clear from the first day of the war. This is the reason why Germany said no to this war.

In Afghanistan all the people were against their Government (Taliban), so that war was a success.
In Iraq the majority was happy with the government. And the Iraqi governemnt made the Shiites and Sunnites live happily together. Removing the old government started a fight for power between these groups. Anyone could have foreseen this (except some US politicians).

Just leaving the country is wrong.
It's like burning your neighbours house and then running away because he is angry to you.
The USA messed this up, now they should reconstruct it.

It's really interesting, that the US government never learns anything from the wars they make (i should make a new thread on this someday)

Hendrik


The US learned nothing from winning two World Wars? Yeah, you're probably right. Those stupid europeans started WWI, and they finally had to beg the US for help in ending it. Helping those idiots out was pretty damn stupid of us. Then the same jackasses started another, even worse war, only twenty years later, and we had to be dragged into that one by the Germans, who were stupid enough to think they could take on the whole world by their stupid racist selves.

What did the US learn from two wars started by idiots in Europe?

1) That there're idiots in Europe.
2) That Europe is almost always wrong.
3) That we should never ever give a crap what idiots in Europe think about the US.
4) That Europe is corrupt, look at how France, Germany, and Russia were paid by Hussein to vote against removing him.
5) That Europe would gladly sell out the US for their own interests, in a heartbeat.

I'd say the US learned lots in it's wars. What has any European country ever learned?

The French? They've learned, over the course of a thousand years, that they can't win wars, hence their abject surrender to Hitler in 1940. After WWII, they learned that abject surrender isn't as good as betrayal as a national policy.

The Germans? They got their butts whipped seriously, twice, and learned that the only enemy they can beat is the French. That's a record to be proud of, isn't it?

The Russians? They were dumb enough to let communists take over their country, is it any wonder they're allowing criminals to run it today?

The Brits? Always the manipulator, they haven't learned a thing. Of all the nations on the planet, no place is more responsible than the Brits for the mess the Middle East is in today.

PittsburghAfterDark
06-06-2006, 10:02 AM
Bravo, well said.

Europeans killed millions of each other for thousands of years.??What the hell do we have to learn from European history???They're glorified states or provinces, not proper countries.??They're no more sophisitcated than the self-absorbed coffee house scum sipping $5 cappicinos whining about how evil the U.S. is on their wi-fi enabled lap tops.

Europe is not superior in anything.??They have economic systems that are straining under the weight of their socialisim, stagnant economies, permanent underclasses, backwards employment policies and trade laws and have never brought a foreign policy to light in the history of the continent that didn't either result in enslavement, colonialzation or invasion.

Some record to be proud of.

Hendrik
06-10-2006, 06:16 AM
From WW1 & 2 Europeans have learned that Diplomacy is greater then war. Europe before 1945 is not the same Europe as it is today. We have learned our lessons.

What did the US learn from WW1 & 2? Build bigger bombs and use them?
This Iraq war reminds me of the Vietnam war.

Hendrik

Nathan Brazil
06-11-2006, 05:52 AM
From WW1 & 2 Europeans have learned that Diplomacy is greater then war. Europe before 1945 is not the same Europe as it is today. We have learned our lessons.

What did the US learn from WW1 & 2? Build bigger bombs and use them?
This Iraq war reminds me of the Vietnam war.

Hendrik


The euros got bitch-slapped by themselves twice in a single generation.?? They've learned the advantages of backstabbing, double-dealing, corruption, and cowardice. Oh, wait, that's the same kind of "diplomacy" europeans were using BEFORE WWII, too, as the Treaty of Versailles, the Anti-Comintern Pact, the Munich Appeasement Deal (how brave those English and French were!) and the Tripartite Alliance all show.

150,000 US troops stationed in Germany, NATO, and 30,000 AMERICAN nuclear weapons have protected those people and enabled them to become something less than men.

Labrocca
06-11-2006, 02:05 PM
Nathan that's the best post I have read from you. Very well said.

And from the beginning Bush has said that Iraq will take a LONG time. How can you be bored with the reconstruction? It's something that can easily take 5 years or more! Eventually democracy will win. Kids growing imho will want freedom more and more. Eventually the mentality will change as it did in other parts of the world that the US has touched.

PittsburghAfterDark
06-11-2006, 02:22 PM
I just want to point out we're 3 years removed from Saddam Hussein's defeat and removal.

Use the Japanese occupation and post-WWII history as a guidepost.

15 years after they were defeated they hosted the 1960 Summer Olympics and were able to showcase the first color television broadcasts, the bullet train and the world hailed the "Japanese Miracle".

3 years is not enough time to judge the success or failure of a restoration or a country. Especially a country that doesn't have the identity or history of the Japanese or Germans. You were dealing with two industrialized societies with rigid societal legal structures, a history of industry, national identity and long history of stable government. None of which Iraq has.

The Europeans are still ass backwards when it comes to dealing with the real world. Their last 60 years have been spent under the umbrella of U.S. protection allowing them to spend a disporportionate amount on social programs vs. defense. They've grown soft, lethargic and complacent.

Europe is in decline in almost every conceivable fashion and not even a socialist EU superstate can save them.

CheesyMuslim
06-11-2006, 02:22 PM
Sorry bout that,

1. JF Kerry is a coward basically.
2. He lied to get those Purple Heart Metals, so he could get out of Vietnam.
3. You have to have 4 Purples Hearts then you can get a ticket home.
4. His commanders agreed to fudge a bit so he could rack up the four, to aleve themselves from this duffass.
5. He was a major downer to the troops.
6. Its been said he would ask his troop buddies, "Hey man, lets escape this place, go awol."
7. He was a major bummer to the morale of the troops.

Regards,
SirjamesofTexas