*Muslim Man Kills College Kids For No Real Reason*

[CheesyMuslim]

Sorry bout that,

1. But this day we have seen another Muslim attack in America.
2. GD bastards!
3. Could be a domestic issue, but I don't think so.
4. Here's a link:
http://abcnews.go.com/US/story?id=3045574&page=1
"
April 16, 2007

[Elrathin]

1. But this day we have seen another Muslim attack in America.
2. GD bastards!ed.


No identification was found on the gunman's body, police said. Eyewitnesses described him as an asian male about six feet tall. He apparently shot himself in the head after the killings; part of his face was missing when his body was found.

Asians are all Muslim?

I see you are back in true form making accusations against people and using this trajedy as yet another platform to try and bash Muslims even though there are no indications of such a thing.

Typical, pathetic, and sad.

[NortheastCynic]

Chess, you never cease to amaze me. The shooter was not a Muslim, but kudos for trying to justify your hatred/fear of an entire religion.

-NC

[Elrathin]

One only wonders why Labrocca tolerates your hatred here Chess and I wonder if someone came here bashing blacks and calling them niggers over and over again if he would have banned them by now.

[lily]

Chess.......I've seen you post some outlandish stuff since I've been here,
but I think you have now struck a new low. Fools Paradise is too good for
this trash. I honestly wish I could delete this entire thread. To take a
tragedy like this and twist it into another Muslim hatred thread is beyond
disgusting.

So here you go. You can have your fun and no one can see you acting like a fool.

[CheesyMuslim]

Sorry bout that,

1. But sure I may have jumped the gun a bit on this story.
2. Refer to # 3 in post #1.
3. I did say it could of be a domestic thing.
4. You never know, just trying to be ready for the worst I suppose.

Regards,
SirJamesofTexas

[NortheastCynic]

Heh, ironic. You start each of your posts with "Sorry bout that", but you can't even appologize when you say something this offensive and factually inaccurate.

-NC

[Elrathin]

4. You never know, just trying to be ready for the worst I suppose.


More like you were hoping it was a Muslim. Truly sick you bastard.

[jafar00]

CWN, I usually find your rants mildly amusing, but this is total lunacy.

[wonder cow]

Who would ever suspect that non-Muslims could do such a thing?

http://www.oklahomacitybombing.com/oklahoma-city-bombing-4.jpg

http://www.nndb.com/people/936/000031843/timothy-mcveigh-1-sized.jpg

[speedracer]

1. But sure I may have jumped the gun a bit on this story.
I think you just jumped the shark, dude.

[CheesyMuslim]

Sorry bout that,

1. But more info has come forth.
2. Here's a link:
http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601087&sid=aW0wioIu60kw&refer=home
"


Virginia Tech Gunman Identified as Student on Visa (Update1)

By Demian McLean

April 17 (Bloomberg) -- A South Korean student carried out the shooting rampage yesterday that claimed 32 lives at Virginia Tech University, the deadliest attack of its kind in U.S. history, police said.

It's unknown what motivated Cho Seung Hui, 23, who lived in Harper Hall dormitory and was in his senior year as an English major, Virginia Tech Police Chief Wendell Flinchum said in a televised news conference. Cho was living in the U.S. on a resident-alien visa, Flinchum said.

The shooter's body, bearing a self-inflicted gunshot wound, was found in a Norris Hall classroom among those of his victims, police said.

Federal ballistic tests revealed at least one of Cho's weapons -- 9mm and .22-caliber pistols -- was used at both Norris Hall and the West Ambler Johnston dormitory where shooting began, Virginia State Police Superintendent Steve Flaherty said in the Blacksburg news conference.

Medical examiners are working to identify the victims, and a full list may not be available for days, police said.

Student witnesses said Cho, standing about 6 feet (2 meters) tall, entered Norris Hall wearing a maroon cap and a black leather jacket and carrying multiple clips of ammunition.

All but two victims died at Norris, with their bodies scattered among four classrooms and a stairwell, police said. Some survivors leapt from second-floor windows to escape the gunfire.

`Horrible Screams and Maniacal Laughing'

Student Tina Harrison, who was taking a test on the third floor of Norris, heard ``horrible screams and maniacal laughing'' when the shooting started. She counted two dozen shots in one minute.

``I wondered why someone was laughing hysterically, and then it sunk in,'' she said today in an interview on CNN. ``Then the shots stopped and it was very quiet.''

The first two victims were killed at about 7:15 a.m. local time at the West Ambler Johnston dorm. Police said they didn't close the campus because they thought it was an isolated incident and that the shooter had left the grounds.

About two hours later, the gunman opened fire across campus in Norris Hall, a science and engineering building at Virginia's largest university.

To contact the reporter on this story: Demian McLean in Washington at dmclean8@bloomberg.net .

"
Regards,
SirJamesofTexas

[Buck Laser]

The shooter was a South Korean. How many South Koreans are muslims? And why does Cheesy get the right to lie at will?

[wonder cow]

http://abcnews.go.com/US/story?id=3048108

Cho, according to law enforcement officials, was a "Resident Legal Alien" of the U.S. He had entered the country through Detroit with his family in 1992, at the age of eight. He last renewed his green card in 2003. As of yesterday, his home address was listed as Centreville, Va., and the university reported he was living in a campus dormitory, Harper Hall.

Would he need a visa if he had been a permanent resident? There seems to be some confusion of his status. I have seen him listed as a permanent resident and as a "Resident Legal Alien"? What is the difference, I wonder.

[bobbylien]

Looks to me like your god given wisdom has failed you CWN.

The shooter was a South Korean. How many South Koreans are muslims? And why does Cheesy get the right to lie at will?
Its not a lie if you believe it to be true.

I honestly wish I could delete this entire thread.
It serves as a monument to the racism and stupidity that comes from CWN.

Now we get to watch our elected officials swing into action so they can look good and put "led us through the VT shooting situation" in their next campaign ads. I'm sure the anti-immigration morons will try to milk this situation too.

[micfranklin]

You know, I could've sworn the news said the shooter was of South Korean descent.....

[NortheastCynic]

That only matters if one is interested in holding opinions based on facts, in Chess' case, it's woefully obvious that that is not true.

-NC

[Buck Laser]

Let me be clear. When CWN said the shooter was a Muslim, he was lying.

[potter]

You know, I could've sworn the news said the shooter was of South Korean descent.....



I read that too.

[CheesyMuslim]

Sorry bout that,

1. But your lying at will.
2. Buck.
3. We all lie at will, stop lying!
4. If you say you do not lie, your a liar!
5. Also I said what I said, it was perhaps off target a bit, but wasn't a lie.
5. a) So get off your high horse Buck!
6. I thought for sure it was a Muslim, it very well could of been, then I would be the new resident genius.
7. What this man did was evil, to the core.
8. He was Asian, and I for one hope he burns in hell.
9. I can expect his family will be appalled when his body goes where ever it goes, and they have to bury it.
10. With heavy hearts they will bury this ass hole.
11. All for the love he had lost, and seeing he wasn't a moron, he could of had another women when he grew up.

Regards,
SirJamesofTexas

[Buck Laser]

This sets a FINE example for all of us, CWN.

[ticbeast]

Racism in its purest.
I think that rule #8 should be expanded to encompass not only racial slurs, but just flat out racism as well.

[bobbylien]

5. Also I said what I said, it was perhaps off target a bit, but wasn't a lie.

I'm afraid he is right on this one Buck. He didn't lie, he posted without doing even the MOST BASIC fact checking.. this should be no surprise to members of this forum.

6. I thought for sure it was a Muslim, it very well could of been, then I would be the new resident genius.
Because Islam is the root of all evil right? :rolleyes:

[lily]

Now we get to watch our elected officials swing into action so they can look good and put "led us through the VT shooting situation" in their next campaign ads. I'm sure the anti-immigration morons will try to milk this situation too.


I think that was nipped in the bud today at the memorial, bobby. I'm not sure which official it was but he said anyone that wanted to make political hay out of this tragedy should be shown for what they were. Opportunists. Oh I'm sure by next year the tragedy will be forgotten and what you say will come true. I just hope the people that vote are smart enough to see through it.

[CheesyMuslim]

Sorry bout that,

1. But it was kinda early when I made this thread.
2. And no one really knew much about what really happened.
3. Sure I may have forced the story a little bit.
4. But I am not a paid reporter, working for a news paper, now am I?
5. I don't have to get it right every single time.
6. That's the way it is, that's the way its going to be.
7. Bloggers like me, just throw stuff on the wall, and hope their right.
8. I can't lose a job, I am not being paid for.
9. Buck is desperate to aggravate the issues here.
10. As if its my fault this Asian ass hole did this.

Regards,
SirJamesofTexas

[bobbylien]

Asian
:P

As a side note.. I heard some proponent of conceal and carry from Texas said that this disaster would have been prevented if the students were allowed to carry guns. :D
I'm surprised every politician in Washington wasn't at that memorial. I was watching C-Span earlier and only around 10%(if even) of the members of the House of Representatives showed up. I know some might have been busy but I find it hard to believe that they were all busy with official government business.

[Buck Laser]

5. Also I said what I said, it was perhaps off target a bit, but wasn't a lie.

I'm afraid he is right on this one Buck. He didn't lie, he posted without doing even the MOST BASIC fact checking.. this should be no surprise to members of this forum.

6. I thought for sure it was a Muslim, it very well could of been, then I would be the new resident genius.
Because Islam is the root of all evil right? :rolleyes:


Sorry, I disagree, Bobby. If he'd said "I think it's Muslim," I might have given him a pass on this--but he simply asserted it flat out. It doesn't surprise me at all that he did this, after having watched his posts for the better part of a year, but I can't dismiss it. I'm willing to call it a malicious misstatement, but there's not a nickel's difference between that an a lie.

And as to CWN's assertion that he would have been considered a "resident genius" if the shooter had turned out to be a Muslim, I can only say that I think he's got way too high an opinion of himself.

[CheesyMuslim]

Sorry bout that,

1. But my, *Neoliberal Blaming Everything On Conservatives* warning buzzer just went off.
2. Some here are trying to make this whole story about, *The Great CWN*.
3. And something I may have made a mistake about, sort of.
4. Let all the facts come out.
5. Perhaps there is evidence he was walking on, *The Dark Side*.
6. How ever you look at it, he went bad, just like Islam has.
7. Or maybe always was.

Regards,
SirJamesofTexas

[Caravaggio]

Why the big bother if a 9 mm kills people now days when a suicide bomber can kill many more without a gun permit?...C-4 dosen`t kill people...suicide bomber do!

[NortheastCynic]

Well Chess, since I'm the only fiscal neo-liberal here, I feel compelled to reply. We're not blaming you for everything, only either A: intentionally lying about this man's religious affiliation, which, for the record, I don't believe to be the case or B: saying the man was a Muslim just because it COULD be true [at least it could've been at the time you started the thread] and that would help you justify your racism. Spare us the martyr complex and neo-liberal whining.

-NC

[CheesyMuslim]

Sorry bout that,

1. Read this.
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/nationworld/chi-070417vtech-shootings,0,1137509.story?coll=chi-homepagepromo440-fea
"
BLACKSBURG, Va. -- The suspected gunman in the Virginia Tech shooting rampage, Cho Seung-Hui, was a troubled 23-year-old senior from South Korea who investigators believe left an invective-filled note in his dorm room, sources say.

The note included a rambling list of grievances, according to sources. They said Cho also died with the words "Ismail Ax" in red ink on one of his arms.



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Cho had shown recent signs of violent, aberrant behavior, according to an investigative source, including setting a fire in a dorm room and allegedly stalking some women.

A note believed to have been written by Cho was found in his dorm room that railed against "rich kids," "debauchery" and "deceitful charlatans" on campus.

Cho was an English major whose creative writing was so disturbing that he was referred to the school's counseling service, the Associated Press reported.

Professor Carolyn Rude, chairwoman of the university's English department, said she did not personally know the gunman. But she said she spoke with Lucinda Roy, the department's director of creative writing, who had Cho in one of her classes and described him as "troubled."

"There was some concern about him," Rude said. "Sometimes, in creative writing, people reveal things and you never know if it's creative or if they're describing things, if they're imagining things or just how real it might be. But we're all alert to not ignore things like this."

She said Cho was referred to the counseling service, but she said she did not know when, or what the outcome was.

Cho, from Centreville, Va., a rapidly growing suburb of Washington, D.C., came to the United States in 1992, an investigative source said. He was a legal permanent resident.

His family runs a dry cleaning business and he has a sister who attended Princeton University, according to the source.

Investigators believe Cho at some point had been taking medication for depression. They are examining Cho's computer for more evidence.

The gunman's family lived in an off-white, two-story town house in Centreville.

"He was very quiet, always by himself," neighbor Abdul Shash said of the gunman. Shash said the gunman spent a lot of his free time playing basketball, and wouldn't respond if someone greeted him. He described the family as quiet.

Marshall Main, who lives across the street, said the family had lived in the townhouse for several years.

According to court records, Virginia Tech Police issued a speeding ticket to Cho on April 7 for going 44 mph in a 25 mph zone, and he had a court date set for May 23.

Cho was found among the 31 dead found in an engineering hall. Police said the victims laid over four classrooms and a stairwell.

"He was a loner," said Larry Hincker, a university spokesman, who added that investigators are having some difficulty unearthing information about him.

A law enforcement official, speaking on condition of anonymity because the information had not been announced, said Cho was carrying a backpack that contained receipts for a March purchase of a Glock 9 mm pistol.

Ballistics tests by the federal Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms showed that one gun was used in Monday's two separate campus attacks that were two hours apart.

As a permanent legal resident of the United States, Cho was eligible to buy a handgun unless he had been convicted of any felony criminal charges, a federal immigration official said.

"Regards,
SirJamesofTexas

[NortheastCynic]

Yeah...and I'm sure you've also found out that he and his family were active in their CHURCH...CHURCH, Chess, as in CHRISTIAN CHURCH.

Jesus Christ.

-NC

[lily]

Sorry bout that,

1. But it was kinda early when I made this thread.
2. And no one really knew much about what really happened.
3. Sure I may have forced the story a little bit.
4. But I am not a paid reporter, working for a news paper, now am I?
5. I don't have to get it right every single time.
6. That's the way it is, that's the way its going to be.
7. Bloggers like me, just throw stuff on the wall, and hope their right.
8. I can't lose a job, I am not being paid for.
9. Buck is desperate to aggravate the issues here.

No, Buck is not desperate it is you who is desperate to blame EVERYTHING on Muslims.

10. As if its my fault this Asian ass hole did this.

I'm not even going to touch this remark, knowing what I know about you. This one may come back to bite you.

1. But my, *Neoliberal Blaming Everything On Conservatives* warning buzzer just went off.
2. Some here are trying to make this whole story about, *The Great CWN*.

Sorry pal...but you OWN this thread.

[lily]

A note believed to have been written by Cho was found in his dorm room that railed against "rich kids," "debauchery" and "deceitful charlatans" on campus.

OH NO! The same values as CWN!

[Buck Laser]

Yeah...and I'm sure you've also found out that he and his family were active in their CHURCH...CHURCH, Chess, as in CHRISTIAN CHURCH.

Jesus Christ.

-NC


Didn't you see the part in CWN's quote where it mentioned a neighbor with an Arabic-sounding name? In the world he lives in, that's gotta be proof positive of something...or, uh, what? Nothing?

[CheesyMuslim]

Sorry bout that,

1. Also read this.
2. Pay close attention to the words: [Ismail AX]
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/nationworld/chi-070417vtech-shootings,0,1137509.story?coll=chi-homepagepromo440-fea
"

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Sources: Virginia Tech gunman left note

By Aamer Madhani
Tribune national correspondent
Published April 17, 2007, 7:26 PM CDT


BLACKSBURG, Va. -- The suspected gunman in the Virginia Tech shooting rampage, Cho Seung-Hui, was a troubled 23-year-old senior from South Korea who investigators believe left an invective-filled note in his dorm room, sources say.

The note included a rambling list of grievances, according to sources. They said Cho also died with the words "Ismail Ax" in red ink on one of his arms.



Cho had shown recent signs of violent, aberrant behavior, according to an investigative source, including setting a fire in a dorm room and allegedly stalking some women.

A note believed to have been written by Cho was found in his dorm room that railed against "rich kids," "debauchery" and "deceitful charlatans" on campus.

Cho was an English major whose creative writing was so disturbing that he was referred to the school's counseling service, the Associated Press reported.

Professor Carolyn Rude, chairwoman of the university's English department, said she did not personally know the gunman. But she said she spoke with Lucinda Roy, the department's director of creative writing, who had Cho in one of her classes and described him as "troubled."

"There was some concern about him," Rude said. "Sometimes, in creative writing, people reveal things and you never know if it's creative or if they're describing things, if they're imagining things or just how real it might be. But we're all alert to not ignore things like this."

She said Cho was referred to the counseling service, but she said she did not know when, or what the outcome was.

Cho, from Centreville, Va., a rapidly growing suburb of Washington, D.C., came to the United States in 1992, an investigative source said. He was a legal permanent resident.

His family runs a dry cleaning business and he has a sister who attended Princeton University, according to the source.

Investigators believe Cho at some point had been taking medication for depression. They are examining Cho's computer for more evidence.

The gunman's family lived in an off-white, two-story town house in Centreville.

"He was very quiet, always by himself," neighbor Abdul Shash said of the gunman. Shash said the gunman spent a lot of his free time playing basketball, and wouldn't respond if someone greeted him. He described the family as quiet.

Marshall Main, who lives across the street, said the family had lived in the townhouse for several years.

According to court records, Virginia Tech Police issued a speeding ticket to Cho on April 7 for going 44 mph in a 25 mph zone, and he had a court date set for May 23.

Cho was found among the 31 dead found in an engineering hall. Police said the victims laid over four classrooms and a stairwell.

"He was a loner," said Larry Hincker, a university spokesman, who added that investigators are having some difficulty unearthing information about him.

A law enforcement official, speaking on condition of anonymity because the information had not been announced, said Cho was carrying a backpack that contained receipts for a March purchase of a Glock 9 mm pistol.

Ballistics tests by the federal Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms showed that one gun was used in Monday's two separate campus attacks that were two hours apart.

As a permanent legal resident of the United States, Cho was eligible to buy a handgun unless he had been convicted of any felony criminal charges, a federal immigration official said.
"
Regards,
SirJamesofTexas

[Elrathin]

Why did you just repeat the same thing you posted in post #31?

[micfranklin]

It turns out this dude was not Muslim at all, something that some people here have yet to digest....

[NortheastCynic]

Because he wants to perpetuate this thread because he's the most self-centered person on this website.

-NC

[Buck Laser]

2. Pay close attention to the words: [Ismail AX]
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/nationworld/chi-070417vtech-shootings,0,1137509.story?coll=chi-homepagepromo440-fea
"
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Sources: Virginia Tech gunman left note

By Aamer Madhani
Tribune national correspondent

The note included a rambling list of grievances, according to sources. They said Cho also died with the words "Ismail Ax" in red ink on one of his arms.


Ismail Ax: interesting name, that. The only Ax I've known of is Emmanuel Ax, a native of Poland, and one of the greatest pianists
in the world today. Do you think Mr. Cho had a thing for Mr. Ax. Ax would be considered a Jewish name, CWN. Why don't you see how you can fit that into your little theories?
PS: Did you notice the Arabic-sounding name of the reporter? I think they're out to getcha!!!

[CheesyMuslim]

Sorry bout that,

1. Hummmm,...Ishmael's axe.
2. I wonder what clue that is?
3. Is it a clue?
4. What could be done with an axe?

Regards,
SirJamesofTexas

[bobbylien]

This kid was clearly going through some tough times. Anyone else notice that he was taking pills for depression? I don't trust those drug companies anymore than I'd trust the NBC Nightly News if they made chess their leading reporter.

Sorry, I disagree, Bobby. If he'd said "I think it's Muslim," I might have given him a pass on this--but he simply asserted it flat out. It doesn't surprise me at all that he did this, after having watched his posts for the better part of a year, but I can't dismiss it. I'm willing to call it a malicious misstatement, but there's not a nickel's difference between that an a lie.
I just don't think so Buck. He is known for throwing wild accusations out there without a shred of proof, not lying. Think about it for a moment and I think you will realize that theres no reason for him to say that while knowing that it wasn't true.

[Buck Laser]

This kid was clearly going through some tough times. Anyone else notice that he was taking pills for depression? I don't trust those drug companies anymore than I'd trust the NBC Nightly News if they made chess their leading reporter.

Sorry, I disagree, Bobby. If he'd said "I think it's Muslim," I might have given him a pass on this--but he simply asserted it flat out. It doesn't surprise me at all that he did this, after having watched his posts for the better part of a year, but I can't dismiss it. I'm willing to call it a malicious misstatement, but there's not a nickel's difference between that an a lie.
I just don't think so Buck. He is known for throwing wild accusations out there without a shred of proof, not lying. Think about it for a moment and I think you will realize that theres no reason for him to say that while knowing that it wasn't true.

But consider all the wild assertions he makes about Islam. He's been told any number of times by people with real credentials, yet he keeps up the same drumbeat. Sorry, I'd like to cut him some slack, but I think he has a psychotic agenda to destroy Islam, and he believes ANY tactic is OK, including lying. He's been saying all kinds of things about the Islamic faith, knowing they aren't true. How is his behavior different here?

[lily]

This kid was clearly going through some tough times. Anyone else notice that he was taking pills for depression? I don't trust those drug companies anymore than I'd trust the NBC Nightly News if they made chess their leading reporter.

Sorry Bobby......I don't buy the abused child and twinkie defense. There are billions of people who have been abused and are taking anti-depressents and they don't go and shoot 82 people. There is some point in time, when reality kicks in. If he was this nuts, then the doctor that was prescribing him his meds should have done something, not keep feeding him more meds.

[CheesyMuslim]

Sorry bout that,

1. Here is another reference to Ishmael, and he being sacrifice with an axe.
2. Yes, this is a strange story.
3. Ishmael wasn't the son that Abraham was told to sacrifice, it was Issac.
4. So I see a stealing away of the Jewish history.
5. Which could indeed lead to a Muslim slant on this story and tragedy.
6. Wake up folks, what I have been saying is true.
7. Don't let this happen to you unawares.
8. Here's the link:
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/topstories/tm_headline=he-never-spoke---we-called-him-question-mark--&method=full&objectid=18920951&siteid=89520-name_page.html
"
BROODING HATRED OF CAMPUS KILLER
THE VIRGINIA TECH MASSACRE: HE NEVER SPOKE ..WE CALLED HIM QUESTION MARK
Ryan Parry And Jon Clements In Virginia 18/04/2007
THE silent killer who massacred 32 students and teachers ranted in a suicide note to the US campus he terrorised: "You caused me to do this."

Cho Seung-Hui, 23, was a tinderbox of brooding hatred who had already threatened to bomb Virginia Tech University.

The South Korean-born English student spoke so rarely to fellow students he was known as "Question Mark" - and even took the name himself.

Yet underneath his expressionless mask the vengeful student, known to cops as an obsessive stalker, was raging at what he saw as the vice of university life.

On Monday, he wrote a pages-long list of grievances. In it, he railed against "rich kids," "debauchery" and "deceitful charlatans" before blaming the slaughter to come on his campus colleagues

He left his room at Harper Hall to gun down Emily Hilscher, 18, and her neighbour Ryan Clark, 22, in the nearby Ambler Johnston dormitory.

He then returned to his room where he left his note. Two hours later, armed with a newly bought Glock 9mm handgun and .22 calibre pistol and hundreds of rounds of ammo, he set out on his murderous mission of revenge.

His hate burned so fiercely he shot some victims at least three times. Survivors told how he stayed silent and calm throughout the killing spree.

Cho shot himself dead inside Norris Hall engineering faculty where he killed 30 others in four classrooms.

The words "Ismail Ax" were scrawled in red ink on the inside of one of his arms.

They may refer to the story of Ibrahim (Abraham) who was prepared to sacrifice his son Ismail with an axe.

Yesterday, classmates told how Cho stood out from the start as an anti-social oddball at the university in Blacksburg, Virginia. On the first day of a class last year, students introduced themselves.

When it was Cho's turn, he did not speak. A professor looked at a sheet on which everyone else had written their names.

Cho had only put down a question mark. Student Julie Poole said: "The professor asked, 'Is your name Question mark?'

"After that, we knew him as the Question Mark Kid." Eventually, Cho used it as his name on his facebook entry.

Classmate Virginia told how a fellow student complained to police that he was stalking her. She said: "He called himself Question Mark and so did we. It was true because nobody knew who he was.

"He sent me messages and I marked him up as friendly. Then a girl told me he'd been stalking her. She got a police report against him because he was turning up at her door."

Room-mate Joe Aust, 19, said: "He was kind of weird and always really, really quiet.

"He didn't talk to anybody. I tried to make conversation but he'd give one-word answers. A lot of times he was staring at nothing."

Creative writing teacher Lucinda Roy said Cho was deeply "troubled" and had recommended him for counselling. A colleague said: "There was concern about him. Sometimes, in creative writing, people reveal things. Is it creative or are they describing things?"

Cho wrote a play about a boy of 13 who accuses his stepdad of being a paedophile and killer, according to a US website.

The play describes the child's mother brandishing a chainsaw at the stepfather and ends with the man killing the boy.

Police confirmed Cho as the killer after matching his fingerprints with prints on the guns. Initially, they were unable to identify him because his face was unrecognisable after he blasted himself in the head.

A chain similar to that used to lock the main doors at Norris Hall, trapping students and staff, was found in his room.

Also found was evidence that Cho was behind a recent hoax to bomb Norris Hall.

He bought his Glock handgun on March 13 and his pistol in the last week.

Gun shop owner John Markell said Cho paid £285 for his Glock. He said: "It's bad enough to know what he did. To find he bought it here makes it so much worse."

The killer's family arrived in the US in 1992. They live in Centreville, Virginia, and run a dry-cleaning business. The parents are now thought to be in the care of the South Korean embassy.

As a teenager, Cho attended the same school in Chantilly, Virginia, as Michael Kennedy, 18, who killed two police officers in a shooting rampage last year.

At first it was thought he went on the rampage because he rowed with first victim Emily, believed to be his girlfriend.

But Emily's mate David Miller said: "I don't think she knew him." Instead, the animal science student was dating Carl Thornhill. David said: "She was one of the nicest people ever and very much in love."

Emily's British cousin Jodi Heywood, of Northwood, Middlesex, said yesterday: "We're too upset to speak about this."
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SirJamesofTexas

[CheesyMuslim]

Sorry bout that,

1. More news on this case.
2. Makes you wonder.
3. Was I so off base on my story?
4. Here's the link:
http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/news/article-23392980-details/Massacre%20gunman's%20deadly%20infatuation%20with% 20Emily/article.do
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Massacre gunman's deadly infatuation with Emily
17.04.07
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The student gunman who killed 32 at a US university might have been motivated by a mad fit of jealousy, it has emerged.

Detectives believe that Cho Seung-Hui was obsessed by 18-year-old student Emily Hilscher, one of his first two victims.

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The face of a killer: Gunman Cho Seung-Hul, and Emily Hilscher, the student who became his obsession - and one of his first victims




Tears were combined with Hokie pride at the candlelight vigil in Blacksburg on Tuesday as students showed their solidarity with and support for one another, even if they did not know the victims


The baby-faced South Korean, 23, had become infatuated by her.

Dressed more like a 'boy scout' than a mass murderer, he arrived at her dormitory room early on Monday morning.

It is unclear whether the first-year had responded to her killer's approaches. But Cho, jealous of Emily's boyfriend, gunned her down.

Another student, Ryan Clark, rushed to help after hearing his neighbour arguing with Cho. But the 22-year-old died alongside her.

Cho, who was described as a loner, then casually walked back to his own room, re-armed and embarked on an orgy of violence making him the most deadly murderer in American history.

Before killing 30 more, and then turning the gun on himself, Cho left a note which gave some clues to his twisted mind. He wrote: 'You caused me to do this'.

The 'very disturbing' letter, four pages long, includes a rambling list of grievances and attacks against 'rich kids', 'debauchery' and 'deceitful charlatans' on campus.

He died with the words 'Ismail Ax' written in red ink on the inside of one of his arms, leading to speculation that he may have been a Muslim. In Islamic lore, Ismail is a reference to the 'son of sacrifice'.

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Ryan Clark, 22, Emily's neighbour and a student counsellor who may have tried to intervene between Emily and the killer. He died with a bullet wound to the neck


Cho arrived in the US as a boy in 1992. His family own a dry-cleaning business in a suburb of Washington DC.

The student's behaviour had recently become increasingly violent and erratic. He had set fire to a dormitory room and been taking medication for depression.

He had also been stalking other woman and become angered by wealthier, popular students who froze him out at Virginia Tech.

So disturbing was his creative writing that the English student had been referred to the university's counselling service.

According to the website The Smoking Gun, Cho wrote a one-act play as part of a short-story class. Called Richard McBeef, it featured a 13-year-old boy who accuses his stepfather of paedophilia and murder.

The teenager talks of killing the older man, depicts the child's mother brandishing a chainsaw at the stepfather. It ends as the man strikes the boy 'with a deadly blow.'

Professor Carolyn Rude, head of the university's English department, said she had spoken with Lucinda Roy, the director of creative writing, who taught Cho and described him as 'troubled'.

Professor Rude refused to release any of the killer's writing, citing privacy laws, but said: "There was some concern about him. Sometimes, in creative writing, people reveal things and you never know if it's creative or if they're describing things, if they're imaging things or just how real it might be. But we're all alert to not ignore things like this."

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Emily Hilscher, right, and the first photograph of her boyfriend, Karl Thornhill. Friends have insisted there were no problems between the couple


Police said a bomb-threat note was found near Cho's body. They think two previous bomb threats in previous weeks may be connected to him.

Tributes to Emily have been posted on the internet site Facebook. On a webpage dedicated to her, one friend said: "I'm sorry she ever got involved with this guy."

On her MySpace page, which she had not updated since October, 2006, she wrote: "I live, love and get booted (high, stoned or drunk) but eventually that will change... I now have a wonderful guy who is hopefully going to change all of that."

College friends said her new boyfriend had just dropped her off before the massacre on Monday.

George Bush and his wife Laura attended a memorial service at the university in Blacksburg yesterday. The US president said: "Laura and I have come to Blacksburg today with hearts full of sorrow.

"This is a day of mourning for the Virginia Tech community and it is a day of sadness for our entire nation."

Campus chiefs have faced mounting criticism over a fatal delay in warning students that the gunman was on the loose.

It was more than two hours after the first shootings - and minutes before 30 more were gunned down - before any email was circulated.

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U.S. President George Bush bows his head in sorrow at the vigil, left. Right, grief etched on the faces of students



One student, Billy Bason said: "I think the university has blood on their hands because of their lack of action after the first incident."

Virginia state police chief, Colonel Steve Flaherty said bodies were strewn around four classrooms and a stairwell.

"We know that there were a number of heroic events that took place within minutes of this tragedy unfolding.

"The gunman was discovered among several of the victims in one of the classrooms. He had taken his own life."

He had shot himself in the head and was only identified by fingerprints and immigration records.

Cho legally bought one of his weapons from a gunshop five weeks ago and the other in the last week, it was claimed last night.

He was captured on CCTV at the Roanoke Firearms shop about 50 miles from the university.

A member of staff at the gunshop, writing on a weapons blog, said police told him Cho had filed off the serial numbers on both handguns - which can be bought for less than £500.

When he embarked on his killing spree, Cho was carrying a backpack which contained a receipt for a Glock 9mm pistol, as well as two knives and additional ammunition.

Police said two handguns - 9mm and 22mm weapons - were recovered from the scene of the second shooting One had been used to kill the first two victims.

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Doctors who treated the wounded said Cho had peppered his victims with bullets.

"This guy was out to kill everyone he came in contact with, not just to shoot the gun," said Dr Joseph Cacioppo of Montgomery Regional Hospital. "Everyone we saw in the emergency room had more than one wound."

At least three of the university's staff were among the dead. They included Professor Liviu Librescu, a Holocaust survivor who later escaped from Communist Romania. The engineering professor, 76, died a hero, barricading the door to his lecture room allowing students to escape.

More survivors told of the chilling scenes and miraculous escapes. One described the gunman's 'maniacal laughter' and said he had a 'serious but calm' look as he walked around looking for fresh victims.

Erin Sheehan described Cho as "dressed sort of strangely, almost like a boy scout, very short-sleeved light, tan shirt and some sort of ammo vest."

She survived by playing dead in her German class. Cho targeted all 25 in the room, she said. He strolled away - but returned 30 seconds.

"I guess he heard us talking," she said. "We forced ourselves against the door. He came and tried to force himself in and started shooting through the door."



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When you have such liberal gun laws- things like these are going to happen. This should be a clear warning to Tony Blair, and he should start imposing stricter gun laws for the UK, to make our streets and kids safer!

- Raminder Bhalla, Northolt

First and foremost, I'm deeply saddened to learn of the most recent tragedy affecting the nation as well as the world. My heart goes out to the many families affected by what has happened at VTech. I think we need to pause and reflect on what is causing these people to commit such cold and calculated acts. While greater gun control can certainly curb the violence, these crimes do not occur simply because guns are available. It makes me shudder to think of how and why so many people have become capable of such atrocities.

- K Kelley, US

After Columbine I thought gun control activists had the right idea, but now I'm not so sure.

100 years ago there was a gun in practically every US household and no mass shootings. Now very few people own guns. Sure, now there are more guns than ever, but fewer gun owners in comparison to the past.

It's not the guns causing these shootings, it's an attitude change within our citizens, that it's okay to shoot people when you're pissed off about something. I don't now if it's violence in the popular culture or what, but it's there.

Another thing that has made me rethink my position on gun ownership: these cowards who shoot unarmed innocents wouldn't be so brave if they thought someone might actually shoot back at them.
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Regards,
SirJamesofTexas

[bobbylien]

Sorry Bobby......I don't buy the abused child and twinkie defense. There are billions of people who have been abused and are taking anti-depressents and they don't go and shoot 82 people. There is some point in time, when reality kicks in. If he was this nuts, then the doctor that was prescribing him his meds should have done something, not keep feeding him more meds.
I'm just saying that theres a reason he did it. He didn't simply wake up one morning and decide to become insane. There is a reason behind every single choice we make not to mention every view, opinion or stereotype. Its a shame he died, I'd like to understand his mindset and what led up to this.

[bobbylien]

When you have such liberal gun laws- things like these are going to happen. This should be a clear warning to Tony Blair, and he should start imposing stricter gun laws for the UK, to make our streets and kids safer!
"It's not over 'till your underground." Does he think this guy did this because there weren't any guns in the dorms? A crazy person about to do a murder/suicide doesn't worry about his victims having guns. Glad to see the fucking gun nuts trying to squeeze every once they can from this tragedy though.

[Elrathin]

3. Was I so off base on my story?


Yes, you were way off base as this guy was a Christian and not a Muslim.

[bobbylien]

I think the thread title should be changed to *Christian Man Kills College Kids For No Real Reason*

[micfranklin]

This kid was clearly going through some tough times. Anyone else notice that he was taking pills for depression? I don't trust those drug companies anymore than I'd trust the NBC Nightly News if they made chess their leading reporter.

Yeah, he was going through times, but instead of dealing with it like normal people he felt it okay to kill 33 people. No excuse for that.

[lily]

I'm just saying that theres a reason he did it. He didn't simply wake up one morning and decide to become insane. There is a reason behind every single choice we make not to mention every view, opinion or stereotype.

Oh I agree there is a reason he did it, but my point was if his reason was abuse or anti-depressents, it's barking up the wrong tree.

Its a shame he died, I'd like to understand his mindset and what led up to this.

Yeah, I used to think that about Bundy too, until he kept squeezing out one more year, for tid bits of information. I think, especially in the light of what was sent to NBC (which I'm sure we havent' seen all of yet) that his reasons will be made quite clear.

If you have the presence of mind to buy a gun weeks in advance, plan this whole thing out, stage one spot to kill 2 people, make it look like a murder suicide, send a package out to NBC, then go and kill 32 people and injure 50 you're going to leave enough stuff that people can figure out what his mindset was.

[micfranklin]

I have mixed feelings about this kid. On the one hand, it's really tragic for something like this to happen, and during his senior year, too, weeks before he graduates. So much potential, I bet he had.

But on the other hand, and no offense to anyone, but his self-esteem was extremely pathetic. It's no one's fault that he couldn't muster up and solve his problem like normal people do.

[Caravaggio]

Tancredo Spokesman Disputes 'Deadliest Massacre' Claims

By: Ryan Grim
April 17, 2007 04:45 PM EST




The shooting spree at Virginia Tech is being reported as the "deadliest massacre in U.S. history" or the "deadliest massacre on a U.S. campus."

The office of Rep. Tom Tancredo (R-Colo.) would respectfully like to offer a correction. In fact, said Tancredo spokesman Carlos Espinosa, the worst school rampage occurred when an anti-tax zealot blew up a school in Bath, Mich., in 1927, killing around 40 children and a handful of adults, including himself. (Accounts of the death toll vary, but all reported a number larger than 33.)

"As far as U.S. school tragedies go, this isn't the worst. I know it's splitting hairs, but particularly Democrats and … the anti-gun people are saying that this proves that guns" are to blame for the massacre, Espinosa said. "And while it is a horrible tragedy that no one should ever have to experience, they shouldn't be able to shape it into their own political agenda by covering up the facts."

The facts to which Espinosa refers are these: On May 18, 1927, Andrew Kehoe, a school board member upset about a property tax increase, blew up the 250-student Bath Consolidated School, using hundreds of pounds of dynamite.

In 2000, The Associated Press interviewed a survivor and described a scene after the explosion: "Moments after the blast, Kehoe drove away in his dynamite-laden truck. He caught up to the school superintendent and fired his rifle into the truck, killing himself, the superintendent, two other adults and a child who had escaped the first explosion."

A 2002 account in the local Lansing State Journal, provided by Espinosa, counts 46 dead -- 38 children and seven adults, plus Kehoe.

Espinosa said he has been correcting reporters and is also ready with a rebuttal for gun control advocates who might want to use the Virginia Tech shootings -- regardless of historical rank -- as fodder for more gun control laws.

"One, he shouldn't have had a gun on campus, and two, killing people is also illegal. Clearly, he had no intention of following the law to begin with," Espinosa said.



http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0407/3558.html

[CheesyMuslim]

Sorry bout that,

1. But I just saw this ass holes video.
2. This ass hole thinks some one pushed him into a corner.
3. Like he didn't have a choice.
4. He had a choice, and like the Muslim he chose death.
5. Burn in hell!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Regards,
SirJamesofTexas

[NortheastCynic]

"I will die...like Jesus Christ."

Sounds like he chose death...as a Christian, Chess.

Pathetic.

-NC

[Alonzo]

"I will die...like Jesus Christ."

Sounds like he chose death...as a Christian, Chess.Â*Â*

Pathetic.

-NC


Uh oh, a christian terrorist strikes again.

[CheesyMuslim]

Sorry bout that,

1. But there is no doubt he wasn't a Christian.
2. He was if anything devilishly sympathetic with the Muslims.
3. He agreed with Islam, in some of its grievances with the West.
4. Women are not controlled and made to wear black burk-as.
5. Women in his mind were just property.
6. And it scared the hell out of him to think that a women might allow him to touch her with a moment of tenderness.
7. Not unlike a Muslim who thinks that if he only kills himself in a suicide bombing, then and only then he can get some Gawd giving virgins, and feel the touch of a women then.
8. In heaven.
9. Where its safe.
10. Where he can have then forever and ever, no possible chance of being rejected.

Regards,
SirJamesofTexas

[micfranklin]

Sorry bout that,

1. But I just saw this ass holes video.
2. This ass hole thinks some one pushed him into a corner.
3. Like he didn't have a choice.
4. He had a choice, and like the Muslim he chose death.
5. Burn in hell!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Regards,
SirJamesofTexas


Okay, now I think you're taking this anti-Muslim thing a little too far, not that it wasn't far enough.

[Elrathin]

He was a Christian, just like Chess. :D

[Saigio]

He was a Christian, just like Chess. :D


Yes. Just like chess

[Saigio]

Sorry bout that,

1. But there is no doubt he wasn't a Christian.
2. He was if anything devilishly sympathetic with the Muslims.
3. He agreed with Islam, in some of its grievances with the West.
4. Women are not controlled and made to wear black burk-as.
5. Women in his mind were just property.
6. And it scared the hell out of him to think that a women might allow him to touch her with a moment of tenderness.
7. Not unlike a Muslim who thinks that if he only kills himself in a suicide bombing, then and only then he can get some Gawd giving virgins, and feel the touch of a women then.
8. In heaven.
9. Where its safe.
10. Where he can have then forever and ever, no possible chance of being rejected.

Regards,
SirJamesofTexas


1-3, 5, 6. Then you should have no problem proving so.
7. Prove it. You seem to have a craptastical understanding of religion.

[CheesyMuslim]

Sorry bout that,

1. I just report the news, I don't make it.
2. Some people can't understand what I'm saying because they want their reality to stay the same.
3. They think fear will over take their lives.
4. And will have to retreat to a cave or something under ground.
5. I'm telling you Islam will not be here in this world forever.
6. It will be put down like a rabies infected dog.

Regards,
SirJamesofTexas

[Buck Laser]

Sorry bout that,

1. I just report the news, I don't make it.
2. Some people can't understand what I'm saying because they want their reality to stay the same.
3. They think fear will over take their lives.
4. And will have to retreat to a cave or something under ground.
5. I'm telling you Islam will not be here in this world forever.
6. It will be put down like a rabies infected dog.

Regards,
SirJamesofTexas


I'd like to nominate this for funniest post of the year. Cheesy actually started this thread with his whopper that Mr. Cho is a Muslim.

[CheesyMuslim]

Sorry bout that,

1. He is.
2. More or less.
3. I nailed it!
4. When I started this thread.

Regards,
SirJamesofTexas

[NortheastCynic]

Chess, by now anyone with any self-respect would have admitted they were wrong, but not you Chess. In the face of seemingly insurmountable fact, you press on in an attempt to justify your ignorant hatred of an entire people. A for effort Chess, you've really given this whole bigotry the college try.

-NC

[Red Dragon]

Hmm this may prover chess wrong. But importantly these people are disgusting.

A sick American hate group recently exposed by a Louis Theroux documentary is planning disgraceful protests at the funerals of the Virginia Tech massacre victims.

Warped religious group the Westboro Baptist Church (WBC) want to disturb the services of all the 32 victims of loner Cho Seung-Hui's shooting spree to preach that the killings were "ordered by God."

Leader Fred Phelps despises the United States and a post on one of WBC's websites, godhatesamerica.com, said the 32 were killed as a punishment for America's attacks on the group who see themselves as "God's servants."

WBC say God sent Seung-hui to perform the slaughter.

And the crazed message warns all Americans that they will come to know more "horror" than caused in the tragic killings.

The chilling post reads: "WBC will preach at the funerals of the Virginia Tech students killed on campus. You describe this as monumental horror, but you know nothing of horror - yet.

"Your bloody tyrant Bush says he is 'horrified' by it all. You know nothing of horror -- yet. Your true horror is coming.

The message continued: "Why did this happen, you ask? It's simple. On April 16, 2007, this nation, through the offices of your military and conspirators therewith took a shot at the servants of God - your marksman was limp and lame and he had terror all around, so he did a lousy job.

"But what you get for your trouble is that your God shot at you!

"The Lord your God sent a crazed madman to shoot at your children, and he didn't miss.

"Get this straight - God sent this South Korean madman to kill 31 of your children at Virginia Tech.

"Was God asleep while this took place? Was He on vacation? Of course not. He willed this to happen to punish you for assailing His servants."

And in response to WBC's threats, one Virginia Tech alumni student contacted the Patriot Guard Raiders who try to ensure funerals of soldiers and other victims are observed peacefully.

But Ryan Merrell, who left the university in 2005, said on social network they couldn't attend the funerals without consent from the grieving families.

Mr Merrell wrote: "Many may not know but there is a man and his group who are planning to protest each and everyone of the funerals of the victims of this event. His name is Fred Phelps, and his organization is the Westboro Baptist Church.

"I urge you that if you know any of the families, that at the appropriate time and place, please mention this to them and ask if they'd like Patriot Guard to be invited.

"This horrific event should never be overshadowed by groups who wish to make a political statement at victim's expense."

In a BBC 2 documentary called 'The Most Hated Family in America', Louis Theroux followed the church who despise homosexuality and protest at US soldier's funerals.

They say the soldiers die because of their sins and continual persecution of the WBC.

Another post on their website reads: "It is plain to the servants of God, that America is taking a blood bath in Iraq because America is busily persecuting WBC for preaching the Word of God to this evil nation of perverts.

"God hates America. Her end is near, and approaching fast."

The group seems to thrive on whatever publicity they get, however critical, with another online message saying: "Soon the whole world will have heard of Westboro Baptist Church and the unwavering message of Her little flock of slaughter.

"You will have no excuse once the BBC and Channel 4 release their pieces on the WBC. No matter what perverted light they display us in, you will receive the message."

link (http://www.lse.co.uk/ShowStory.asp?story=OJ1936391F&news_headline=religious_group_to_protest_at_virgin ia_tech_funerals)

[lily]

Fred strikes again!

[jafar00]

3. They think fear will over take their lives.


Sounds like the fear is taking over your life Chess. You seem to love the idea that Muslims are out everywhere trying to kill you. If half the bile you spew were true, you'd already be dead.

[CheesyMuslim]

Sorry bout that,

1. Fred is clearly another Jim Jones.
2. I look fear in the eyes, and I face it, and know that knowing your fear is healthy, it keeps me on guard, and in tune with this dangerous world.
3. Better to know where the evil comes from than to be caught off guard when evil comes.
4. That's why Israel has nukes, they will use them if the time arises, and in an instant, wipe out whole countries.
5. Their fear isn't founded on shifting sands, its founded on the hatred of millions of Muslims.
6. I stand with Israel, 100%, and shall always do so, forever!

Regards,
SirJamesofTexas

[lily]

Sorry bout that,


3. Better to know where the evil comes from than to be caught off guard when evil comes.

adly you're so focused on Muslims as being evil, when true evil is starting you in the face.

4. That's why Israel has nukes, they will use them if the time arises, and in an instant, wipe out whole countries.
If this is true, then I believe they are breaking International law.....but then I guess if we do it every day, what's to stop anyone else? Is this why you support this?

5. Their fear isn't founded on shifting sands, its founded on the hatred of millions of Muslims.
6. I stand with Israel, 100%, and shall always do so, forever!

Yep, you're right, I think. Which makes them more of a danger than Iran and Syria put together.

[Caravaggio]

"I will die...like Jesus Christ."

Sounds like he chose death...as a Christian, Chess.

Pathetic.

-NC


Uh oh, a christian terrorist strikes again.



Yep...those Christian terrorist are running all over the world now days...flying planes into buildings...blowing up kids in pizza parlors...sawing off peoples heads...all in the the name of Christian Jidah.

[potter]

Fred strikes again!



What an absolute embarassment....some day, some where, someone is gonna take that guy out. :D