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PittsburghAfterDark
05-29-2006, 04:11 PM
Senate Leader Took Free Boxing Tickets
May 29 2:16 PM US/Eastern

By JOHN SOLOMON
Associated Press Writer

WASHINGTON

Senate Democratic Leader Harry Reid accepted free ringside tickets from the Nevada Athletic Commission to three professional boxing matches while that state agency was trying to influence him on federal regulation of boxing.

Reid, D-Nev., took the free seats for Las Vegas fights between 2003 and 2005 as he was pressing legislation to increase government oversight of the sport, including the creation of a federal boxing commission that Nevada's agency feared might usurp its authority.

He defended the gifts, saying they would never influence his position on the bill and was simply trying to learn how his legislation might affect an important home state industry. "Anyone from Nevada would say I'm glad he is there taking care of the state's No. 1 businesses," he told The Associated Press.

"I love the fights anyways, so it wasn't like being punished," added the senator, a former boxer and boxing judge.

Senate ethics rules generally allow lawmakers to accept gifts from federal, state or local governments, but specifically warn against taking such gifts _ particularly on multiple occasions _ when they might be connected to efforts to influence official actions.

"Senators and Senate staff should be wary of accepting any gift where it appears that the gift is motivated by a desire to reward, influence, or elicit favorable official action," the Senate ethics manual states. It cites the 1990s example of an Oregon lawmaker who took gifts for personal use from a South Carolina state university and its president while that school was trying to influence his official actions.

"Repeatedly taking gifts which the Gifts Rule otherwise permits to be accepted may, nonetheless, reflect discredit upon the institution, and should be avoided," the manual states.

Several ethics experts said Reid should have paid for the tickets, which were close to the ring and worth between several hundred and several thousand dollars each, to avoid the appearance he was being influenced by gifts.

Two senators who joined Reid for fights with the complimentary tickets took markedly differently steps.

Sen. John McCain, R-Ariz., insisted on paying $1,400 for the tickets he shared with Reid for a 2004 championship fight. Sen. John Ensign, R-Nev., accepted free tickets to another fight with Reid but already had recused himself from Reid's federal boxing legislation because his father was an executive for a Las Vegas hotel that hosts fights.

In an interview Thursday in his Capitol office, Reid broadly defended his decisions to accept the tickets and to take several actions benefiting disgraced lobbyist Jack Abramoff's clients and partners as they donated to him.

"I'm not Goodie two shoes. I just feel these events are nothing I did wrong," Reid said.

Reid had separate meetings in June 2003 in his Senate offices with two Abramoff tribal clients and Edward Ayoob, a former staffer who went to work lobbying with Abramoff.

The meetings occurred over a five-day span in which Ayoob also threw a fundraiser for Reid at the firm where Ayoob and Abramoff worked that netted numerous donations from Abramoff's partners, firm and clients.

Reid said he viewed the two official meetings and the fundraiser as a single event. "I think it all was one, the way I look at it," he said.

One of the tribes, the Saginaw Chippewa of Michigan, donated $9,000 to Reid at the fundraiser and the next morning met briefly with Reid and Ayoob at Reid's office to discuss federal programs. Reid and the tribal chairman posed for a picture.

Five days earlier, Reid met with Ayoob and the Sac & Fox tribe of Iowa for about 15 minutes to discuss at least two legislative requests. Reid's office said the senator never acted on those requests.

A few months after the fundraiser, Reid did sponsor a spending bill that targeted $100,000 to another Abramoff tribe, the Chitimacha of Louisiana, to pay for a soil erosion study Ayoob was lobbying for. Reid said he sponsored the provision because Louisiana lawmakers sent him a letter requesting it.

Abramoff, a Republican lobbyist, has pleaded guilty in a widespread corruption probe of Capitol Hill. Reid used that conviction earlier this year to accuse Republicans of fostering a culture of corruption inside Congress.

AP recently reported that Reid also wrote at least four letters favorable to Abramoff's tribal clients around the time Reid collected donations from those clients and Abramoff's partners. Reid has declined to return the donations, unlike other lawmakers, saying his letters were consistent with his beliefs.

Senate ethics rules require senators to avoid even the appearance that any official meetings or actions they took were in any way connected with political donations.

Reid broadly defended his actions, stating he would never change his position because of donations, free tickets or a request from a former-staffer-turned-lobbyist.

"People who deal with me and have over the years know that I am an advocate for what I believe in. I always try to do it fair, never take advantage of people on purpose," he said.

Asked if he would have done anything differently, the Senate Democratic leader said his only concern was "the willingness of the press ... to take these instances and try to make a big deal out of them."

Several ethics experts said they believed Reid should have paid for the boxing tickets to avoid violating Senate ethics rules.

Bernadette Sargeant, a former House ethics lawyer, said the Senate would have to examine the specific facts to determine whether Reid violated the gift ban. She said the clearer ethics issue involved Reid's obligation to avoid the appearance that the free tickets and his official duties were connected.

"From what you are describing, it is such a huge risk that a reasonable person with all the relevant facts would say this creates the appearance of impropriety," she said. "The more cautious thing, the more prudent thing would be to either pay the tickets or fair market value or not accept the tickets in the first place."

Andrew Herman, a Washington lawyer who frequently works with Congress, agreed. "I think it is pretty clear what Sen. McCain did in the current atmosphere in Washington was certainly the more prudent thing."

"I think if you are receiving anything of value from anyone that has matters before the federal government and matters under your purview that you have to be very careful with your conduct," Herman said.

Attorney Marc Elias, who has represented Democrats in ethics cases and was asked by Reid's office to call AP, said he believed Reid should not be penalized for trying to help his state. "There are varying degrees of gift givers," Elias said. "There is a difference between a gift from a state entity and a gift from a savings & loan."

Marc Ratner, executive director of the Nevada Athletic Commission when Reid took the free tickets, said one of his desires was to convince Reid and McCain that there was no need for the federal government to usurp the state commission's authority. At the time, McCain and Reid were pushing legislation to create a federal boxing commission.

"I invited him because I was talking with his staff" about the legislation, Ratner said. "This was a chance for all of my commissioners, who are politically appointed, to interact with them. It was important for them to see how we in Nevada did things.

"I am a states rights activist and I didn't want any federal bill that would take away our state rights to regulate fights," he said, adding that he hoped McCain and Reid, at the very least, would be persuaded to model any federal commission after Nevada's body.

Reid said he remembered talking to Ratner briefly at the fights and knew Ratner was working with his Senate staff on the federal legislation.

McCain's office said the Arizona senator felt an obligation to pay for the ringside tickets he got from the Nevada commission to attend the Oscar De La Hoya-Bernard Hopkins championship match in September 2004.

"Sen. McCain has always paid for his own tickets to boxing matches and sees no reason to change that," aide Mark Salter said.

Ensign's office said he attended one fight in the last couple of years with Reid and accepted the free tickets from the commission. But his office said Ensign already had removed himself from the boxing legislation that would have affected the Nevada commission.

"He did not have anything to do with it because at the time he recused himself," Ensign spokesman Jack Finn said of the legislation.

Kathleen Clark, a Washington University of St. Louis congressional ethics expert, said Congress should re-examine the exemption allowing gifts by state and federal and local governments because they too can have interest in influencing federal lawmakers like Reid.

"I think he would want to be above approach even when it's from a state commission and not a private lobbyist," Clark said. "I don't think we should make any assumption about a government. The fact is government agencies can act as proxies for different interests. Here it happens to be the Nevada boxing commission, and I would guess it is aligned with certain industry groups."
Link (http://www.breitbart.com/news/2006/05/29/D8HTJL7O1.html)

http://us.news3.yimg.com/us.i2.yimg.com/p/ap/20060529/capt.0564f2e1bdaf4d7188c1f952a073d2a0.reid_ethics_ wx105.jpg?x=380&y=248&sig=l7XHaIi_BndwDRXexLQduw--
In this frame from video, provided by HBO, Sen. Minority Leader, Sen. Harry Reid, D-Nev., left, and Sen. John McCain, R-Ariz., second from left, sit near ringside at the Oscar De La Hoya-Bernard Hopkins championship boxing match in Las Vegas in September 2004. Reid accepted free ringside tickets from the Nevada Athletic Commission while McCain insisted on paying $1,400 to reimburse for the tickets he shared with Reid. (AP Photo/HBO)

Alonzo
05-29-2006, 08:19 PM
Senate Democratic Leader Harry Reid accepted free ringside tickets from the Nevada Athletic Commission to three professional boxing matches while that state agency was trying to influence him on federal regulation of boxing.

Reid, D-Nev., took the free seats for Las Vegas fights between 2003 and 2005 as he was pressing legislation to increase government oversight of the sport, including the creation of a federal boxing commission that Nevada's agency feared might usurp its authority.

So he took their tickets and fought against them. That's really damning.

Drocket
05-30-2006, 06:06 AM
The thing about quid pro quo is that it requires both quid and quo to exist. One without the other is pretty nothing but noise and hot air being stirred up to disguise real issues.

RLN
05-30-2006, 08:57 PM
I really do not believe that Reid has anything to worry about here. I think that he is right--it is part of his duty to oversee this sort of thing, so yeah, let them probe as deep into this as much as they want. Doesn't bother me one bit.

Oh, by the way--I do find it strange the way that your site wrote that story and the way that the San Diego Tribune (http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/politics/20060530-1808-nv-deanreid.html) wrote it.

The Nevada Democrat said he has visited with members of the commission while at ringside. Sens. John McCain, R-Ariz., and John Ensign, R-Nev., also attended boxing matches. Ensign accepted a free ticket but had recused himself from the proposed boxing legislation, his office said. McCain later paid for his ticket.

While your site wrote:
Sen. John McCain, R-Ariz., insisted on paying $1,400 for the tickets he shared with Reid for a 2004 championship fight. (Note: I loved that link to the Drudge Report at that site too.);)

No need to worry though, I believe that none of them have anything to worry about. It seems that Dean and Reid were stirring up some stink about Abramoff in Nevada, and the GOP thought they would give the both of them another Jefferson scare. (BTW: I'm still waiting on the outcome of that one too!:rolleyes: )

Nonetheless, fascinating little story. Thanks!

Churchel
05-31-2006, 12:23 AM
I consider this a bunch of flapping from the goofball right. "Harry Reid took free boxing tickets". Big fucking deal, really.

In the 23047 paragraphs you posted it also says Harry Reid used to be a boxer, and a boxing judge. Also it appears that he is heading a panel investigating whether to create a federal boxing comission. One last note would be these tickets were sent from the nevada state boxing commission. He knows more about boxing than the most of us, and I would belive this to be an example of a government outing, not being bought with gifts. McCain was sitting next to him.

If you feel like putting things to brass tacks, do you really think either
of us would have been able to get ringside seats for that fight?

"I invited him because I was talking with his staff" about the legislation, Ratner said. "This was a chance for all of my commissioners, who are politically appointed, to interact with them. It was important for them to see how we in Nevada did things.

"I am a states rights activist and I didn't want any federal bill that would take away our state rights to regulate fights," he said, adding that he hoped McCain and Reid, at the very least, would be persuaded to model any federal commission after Nevada's body.

PittsburghAfterDark
05-31-2006, 05:08 AM
I consider this a bunch of flapping from the goofball right.??"Harry Reid took free boxing tickets".??Big fucking deal, really.

In the 23047 paragraphs you posted it also says Harry Reid used to be a boxer, and a boxing judge.??Also it appears that he is heading a panel investigating whether to create a federal boxing comission.??One last note would be these tickets were sent from the nevada state boxing commission.??He knows more about boxing than the most of us, and I would belive this to be an example of a government outing, not being bought with gifts.??McCain was sitting next to him.

If you feel like putting things to brass tacks, do you really think either
of us would have been able to get ringside seats for that fight?
[quote]
"I invited him because I was talking with his staff" about the legislation, Ratner said. "This was a chance for all of my commissioners, who are politically appointed, to interact with them. It was important for them to see how we in Nevada did things.

"I am a states rights activist and I didn't want any federal bill that would take away our state rights to regulate fights," he said, adding that he hoped McCain and Reid, at the very least, would be persuaded to model any federal commission after Nevada's body.


Reid had a pending legislative agenda in front of him. The interest of the Nevada Boxing Commission was that agenda go down in flames. Obviously, serving his home state constituants, Harry Reid was within his rights to dismiss a Federal Boxing Commision as a Senator.

However, he took something of significant value while something the gift giver had significant interest in defeating legislative matters before him. That's a direct conflict. That's unethical.

If he paid for ringside seats, no biggie. No harm, no foul. Access has priviledges. You try getting tickets for that fight ringside from the NBC. Fat fucking chance.

McCain paid for his ticket(s), Reid did not. John Ensign took a ticket and recused himself from the vote and the process due to his father having significant interest as a Las Vegas hotel executive. McCain's behavior, ethical. Ensign's behavior, ethical. Harry Reid, unethical.

You can't appear to remain impartial when someone just gave you $1,400 worth of freebies. Just what did Harry Reid learn about the issue from a governance standpoint from seeing a fight?

Did he learn about drug testing? Medical clearences? Ethical management of fighters? Did he learn about training methods?

No, none of the above.

The whole thing was for his entertainment alone and a slap on the back good ole boy thing designed to curry favor by the NBC.

Churchel
05-31-2006, 10:53 PM
The whole thing was for his entertainment alone and a slap on the back good ole boy thing designed to curry favor by the NBC.


So what you are saying is the difference between mccain and reid is that Reid is a cheap bastard? For both of these men $1400 is nothing. I believe this is something being churned up under the "your bad too" clause by talk radio and dragging apologists in its wake.

PittsburghAfterDark
05-31-2006, 11:55 PM
Reid says he won't accept free tickets

By JOHN SOLOMON, Associated Press Writer 1 hour, 55 minutes ago

WASHINGTON - Reversing course, Senate Democratic leader Harry Reid's office acknowledged Wednesday night he misstated the ethics rules governing his acceptance of free boxing tickets and has decided to avoid taking such gifts in the future.

The Nevada senator still believes it was "entirely permissible" for him to accept ringside seats for three professional boxing matches in 2004 and 2005 from the Nevada Athletic Commission but has nonetheless decided to avoid doing so in the future, his office said.

"In light of questions that have been raised about the practice, Senator Reid will not accept these kinds of credentials in the future in order to avoid even the faintest appearance of impropriety," spokesman Jim Manley said.

The announcement came after The Associated Press confronted Reid's office early Wednesday with conclusions from several ethics experts that the Senate leader misstated congressional ethics rules in trying to defend his actions.

The AP reported Monday that Reid accepted the free seats from the Nevada commission as it was trying to influence his support for legislation to create a federal boxing commission. The state agency feared the legislation would usurp its authority to regulate fights and wanted to convince Reid there was no need for a federal body.

Reid voted to set up a federal commission, but Congress never enacted the legislation. (So much for 'zo's he voted against it huh?)

Reid told Las Vegas reporters on Tuesday he would continue to accept such tickets and did not believe he did anything wrong even though fellow Sen. John McCain (news, bio, voting record), R-Ariz., who joined him for one of the fights, decided to reimburse $1,400 for his seat.

Reid said he believed it was appropriate to accept the free tickets because the gifts were from his home state and that McCain, R-Ariz., had to reimburse because he was from out of state.

Senate ethics rules generally allow senators to take gifts from any state, not just their home state. But they specifically warn against taking normally permissible gifts if the giver may be trying to influence official action.

Manley said Wednesday night that Reid "misspoke when he said the rule applies only to senators who represent the state agency." But he added he believes Reid still could ethically accept the tickets.

"It was therefore entirely permissible for Senator Reid ? a senator from Nevada ? to have attended a major Nevada sporting event as a guest of Nevada officials," Manley said.

Several ethics experts disagreed, criticizing Reid's rationale that he felt obligated to take the tickets to ensure boxing was being conducted properly in his home state.

"He is no more obligated to go to boxing matches than he is to a Celine Dion concert in Vegas," said Melanie Sloan, a former Justice Department prosecutor and head of Citizens for Responsibility and Ethics in Washington.

Fred Wertheimer, a longtime ethics watchdog, agreed.

"The test under congressional ethics rules in these circumstances is not what state a member is from but whether the gift creates the appearance that the gift is motivated by a desire to influence the member or gain favorable official action," Wertheimer said. "If the gift creates such an appearance, it should not be accepted."
Link (http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060601/ap_on_go_co/reid_ethics_4)

Looks like Harry and others agreed that once the public knew about this it wasn't such a good idea after all.

This is just like the 60+ Democrats that filed travel records "updates" after they called Republicans on abuses of the practice.

Oopsie!

Damn those right wing extremeists.

Drocket
06-01-2006, 04:01 AM
The crux of Solomon's story was that Reid acted wrongly by accepting free boxing tickets from the Nevada Athletic Commission. In particular, Solomon focused on a title bout in September 2004 that Reid and McCain both attended. "Sen. John McCain, R-Ariz., insisted on paying $1,400 for the tickets he shared with Reid for a 2004 championship fight," Solomon wrote.

But it turns out that it would have been illegal for Reid to reimburse the commission for the seats. That's because these weren't actually tickets - they were credentials with no face value given to V.I.P.'s. And according to the boxing promoter who awarded those credentials to Reid, it is illegal for the commission to accept payment for them. Despite that, McCain insisted on paying, and so the commission simply gave his check (written for a seemingly arbitrary amount) to a charity since it couldn't accept it. (http://www.tpmmuckraker.com/archives/000786.php)

And so a complete bullshit story turns out to be even bigger bullshit than originally thought. Hmm, I wonder if it would be possible to charge McCain with attempting to bribe a boxing promoter...